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raacluse
03-30-2005, 12:11 AM
Learning to Stand Out Among the Standouts
Some Asian Americans Say Colleges Expect More From Them
By Jay Mathews
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 22, 2005; Page A10

Robert Shaw, an educational consultant based in Garden City, N.Y., was working with a very bright Chinese American student who feared the Ivy League would not notice her at New Jersey's Holmdel High, where 22 percent of the students were Asian American, and she was only in the top 20 percent of her high-scoring class.
So, Shaw said, she and her parents took his daring advice to change their address. They moved 10 miles north to Keyport, N.J., where the average SAT score was 300 points lower and there were almost no Asians. She also entered, at his suggestion, the Miss Teen New Jersey contest, not a typical activity for the budding scholar.
It worked, Shaw said. His client became class valedictorian, won the talent portion of the Miss Teen competition playing piano and got into Yale and MIT.
"As admissions strategists, our experience is that Asian Americans must meet higher objective standards, such as SAT scores and GPAs, and higher subjective standards than the rest of the applicant pool," he said. "Our students need to do a lot more in order to stand out."
Asian American students have higher average SAT scores than any other government-monitored ethnic group, and selective colleges routinely reject them in favor of African American, Hispanic and even white applicants with lower scores in order to have more diverse campuses and make up for past discrimination.
Many Asian Americans and some educators wonder: Is that fair? Why shouldn't young people of Asian descent have more of an advantage in the selective college admissions system for being violin-playing, science-fair winning, high-scoring achievers?

(complete article to be found at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55160-2005Mar21.html ...may require registration)

yoMAMA
03-30-2005, 12:50 PM
There's definitely a pattern in discriminating asian americans in terms of elite college admissions [a ceiling], which everyone knows but no one is doing anything.

I say, get rid of the ceiling, and let the most qualified person getting admitted, regardless of race/ethnicity.

hooligan
03-30-2005, 01:06 PM
There's definitely a pattern in discriminating asian americans in terms of elite college admissions [a ceiling], which everyone knows but no one is doing anything.

I say, get rid of the ceiling, and let the most qualified person getting admitted, regardless of race/ethnicity.

I just want to clarify that a ceiling isn't an Affirmative Action remenant, it's a sign of racism still prominent in our institutions.

yoMAMA
03-30-2005, 01:13 PM
I just want to clarify that a ceiling isn't an Affirmative Action remenant, it's a sign of racism still prominent in our institutions.

yeah I agree.

I have no problem with AA, I just want the ceiling removed from college admissions.

There was also a ceiling before WW2 for Jewish students too, but now days that has been removed.

Time to do the same for asian americans too.

raacluse
03-30-2005, 09:27 PM
The following list accompanied the quoted article:

Schools With Most Asians

Colleges with large percentages of Asian American undergraduates:

College Percentage

UC Berkeley 42
UCLA 38
Caltech 27
MIT 27
Stanford 25
Cooper Union 23
Pennsylvania 18
Harvard 17
Swarthmore 16
Brown 14
Columbia 14
Rice 14
Juilliard 13
Yale 13
Amherst 12
Dartmouth 12
Pomona 12
Princeton 12
Georgetown 10
Washington U.
St. Louis 10

Source: U.S. News & World Report 2004

yoMAMA
03-31-2005, 11:49 AM
The following list accompanied the quoted article:

Schools With Most Asians

Colleges with large percentages of Asian American undergraduates:

College Percentage

UC Berkeley 42
UCLA 38
Caltech 27
MIT 27
Stanford 25
Cooper Union 23
Pennsylvania 18
Harvard 17
Swarthmore 16
Brown 14
Columbia 14
Rice 14
Juilliard 13
Yale 13
Amherst 12
Dartmouth 12
Pomona 12
Princeton 12
Georgetown 10
Washington U.
St. Louis 10

Source: U.S. News & World Report 2004

I assume Caltech and Cal got rid of the quotas.

Now it's time for the rest, especially the ivy league schools to do the same!

lethal
03-31-2005, 12:21 PM
They left off my alma mater, UVa, which is about 11% Asian American. (http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/data_digest/enrl_gender_within_race.htm)

hooligan
03-31-2005, 12:36 PM
I assume Caltech and Cal got rid of the quotas.

Now it's time for the rest, especially the ivy league schools to do the same!

UCLA, as well. Hm, What's up with the 10% at all the Ivies? I hear that the APIA applicant pool is probably one of the most diverse, as well as highest ranking in aggregate. If there was a true meritocracies, those Ivy Leagues would probably be seeing the same numbers as Cal, Caltech, and UCLA.

The funny thing is, people blamed this one Affirmative Action when AA was in use. After AA was dismantled, who are the APIAs going to blame now?

nola
03-31-2005, 12:53 PM
I believe there are strict non-white quotas at these places. It has to be 14%, 15% each year, etc.

yoMAMA
03-31-2005, 12:54 PM
UCLA, as well. Hm, What's up with the 10% at all the Ivies? I hear that the APIA applicant pool is probably one of the most diverse, as well as highest ranking in aggregate. If there was a true meritocracies, those Ivy Leagues would probably be seeing the same numbers as Cal, Caltech, and UCLA.

The funny thing is, people blamed this one Affirmative Action when AA was in use. After AA was dismantled, who are the APIAs going to blame now?

seriously.

get rid of the ceiling, it's racist, it's unAmerican, and it's detrimental to the universities itself in terms of intellectual capabilites.

Craig
03-31-2005, 12:56 PM
They left off my alma mater, UVa, which is about 11% Asian American. (http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/data_digest/enrl_gender_within_race.htm)
They left off a lot of schools. It obviously shows the bias towards the media centers of California and the Northeast and toward private schools over public.

hooligan
03-31-2005, 01:07 PM
They left off a lot of schools. It obviously shows the bias towards the media centers of California and the Northeast and toward private schools over public.

Good point, where can we get more information?

yoMAMA
03-31-2005, 03:13 PM
here's an article about college admissions:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1354484/posts

apparently asian americans are not participating enough in "extracuricular activities", ie sports/theaters....

personally in high school, i didn't do shit, and I paid the price when it came to college admissions [only 2 acceptance]:frown: