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mydnyht
10-16-2002, 04:11 PM
Just curious... :rolleyes:
SunWuKong
10-16-2002, 04:19 PM
it was good as a children's movie. but as usual, disney threw historical and cultural accuracy out the window. no biggy though, it was only a children's movie.

http://www.benstorm.homestead.com/mulan.html
angel nympho
10-16-2002, 04:19 PM
Wasn't it based on some old Chinese story or something? I don't know anybody who thought it was offensive. Most Asian people I know loved the fact that Disney made an Asian hero. :dance:
SunWuKong
10-16-2002, 04:23 PM
by the way this thread should probably be moved to the movies board.
kimpossible
10-16-2002, 04:24 PM
If I had a little girl I'd probably buy it for her. And of course, Snow White also. And Cinderella and all those other evil movies we're not supposed to give to our little girls because it will socialize them to have bad images regarding their looks and gender.

Hell, maybe I'll give her some Barbies too.
deez nuts
10-16-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 16 2002, 07:19 PM
Wasn't it based on some old Chinese story or something?
Si.

But, but, but all Disney movies are eeeeevil.
ChinaLama
10-16-2002, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 17 2002, 12:24 AM
If I had a little girl I'd probably buy it for her. And of course, Snow White also. And Cinderella and all those other evil movies we're not supposed to give to our little girls because it will socialize them to have bad images regarding their looks and gender. Hell, maybe I'll give her some Barbies too.
ever read the original Grimm Brothers' versions of Snow White and Cinderella? Not as bloody as hyped but still pretty worthwhile violence. Nice bit of poetic justice in each, which i feel is SORELY lacking in the Dsneyfied Cinderella.
I REALLY like Snow White's ending; Cinderella's leaves me slightly unsatisfied but it's the BIGGEST contrast to its Disney version.


http://www.nationalgeographic.com/grimm/sn...snow_white.html (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/grimm/snow_white.html)
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/grimm/ci...cinderella.html (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/grimm/cinderella.html)

Never saw Mulan so I can't really comment on it, although I'm usually pretty lenient toward cartoons. so i'd proly be at least mildly entertained. I mean south park makes a lot of jokes about Chinese or Japanese people and I still luuuv the show.

Maxine Hong Kingston's Woman Warrior is also loosely based on the Hua (or Fa) Mulan legend, and Frank Chin gave her mad shit about how she's self-exoticizing her ppl or something.

Guess Mulan just never gets a break in America, cuz some Asian American dude is always gonna hammer away at her.


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oops, that last sentence did NOT sound right. For once, I wasn't thinking what you're gonna accuse me of thinking. :P



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kimpossible
10-16-2002, 05:43 PM
I'm serious about giving my daugher the movies and Barbies. Plus, an EZ-Bake Oven. That and a little picnic basket/tea set. Oh man, if we have a daughter she's gonna make Daddy her li'l biatch.

About the fairy tales. Hell, yeah I love the original ones. Even the modern version, break those down into symbolism. Beauty and the Beast? Riiiiiigggghht.
deez nuts
10-16-2002, 06:16 PM
The only thing I am going to buy my daughter if I ever have children is the supa dupa deluxe chastity belt, a lock and key to her room. And throw away both keys.
ChinaLama
10-16-2002, 06:17 PM
i am going to train my children in the warrior arts by making them watch action animes and cartoons. :)
karizma
10-16-2002, 06:26 PM
>> i wish i coulda been HH's daughter hahaha....

>> i liked MuLan as historically incorrect as it was...it was entertaining =)...plus mushu was a cutie
wylin
10-16-2002, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by karizma@Oct 16 2002, 06:26 PM
>> i wish i coulda been HH's daughter hahaha....

>> i liked MuLan as historically incorrect as it was...it was entertaining =)...plus mushu was a cutie
its a pretty bad ass summon in kingdom hearts!
SunWuKong
10-17-2002, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@Oct 16 2002, 08:29 PM
Maxine Hong Kingston's Woman Warrior is also loosely based on the Hua (or Fa) Mulan legend, and Frank Chin gave her mad shit about how she's self-exoticizing her ppl or something.

Guess Mulan just never gets a break in America, cuz some Asian American dude is always gonna hammer away at her.
the thing about Hua Mulan is that she is actually supposed to portray an ideal in traditional chinese feminine qualities - which is that of an obedient daughter/wife that is very pious. but contemporary american media would put her in the opposite position of a woman rebelling against a patriarchal society. the reality is that Hua Mulan would feel completely comfortable in the traditional patriarchal chinese society.
SunWuKong
10-17-2002, 08:54 AM
hehheh by the way, can you imagine if disney stayed true to greek myth and had Hercules kill his wife and kids? :)
ChinaLama
10-17-2002, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 17 2002, 04:54 PM
hehheh by the way, can you imagine if disney stayed true to greek myth and had Hercules kill his wife and kids? :)
Hercules kills his wife and kids? i forgot about that part. B)



speaking of Herc, they ALWAYS wussify him for movies and shows. I mean in myth he CARRIED THE SKY...and in movies and on TV, he has problems just beating up ppl. :P


but nope disney can't very well do literal greek myth w/ all its pedophilic homosexual adultery. Ganymede a cupbearer---- riiiiighhhhhtttttt.
Uncle Tat
10-22-2002, 08:35 AM
It was nice to see an ASIAN star in an American movie.

Especially since she was female and wasnt drooling over some white guy in order to satisfy some white fantasy.

Although I'd imagine Mulan 2003 will have Mulan fighting evil Mongolians and preparing and loving her white boyfriend.
BeTheReds
10-30-2002, 02:00 AM
Never saw mulan.
himura-dono
10-30-2002, 09:47 AM
correct me if i'm wrong, but i read the hans christian anderson tales and they were the gory ones. hansel and gretel escape? oops, nope, but they made nice roasts.
babysakura
10-30-2002, 10:27 AM
i liked the cartoon mulan. the songs were nice....

i actually watched it a couple of times on VCD....hmm..but now i can't even remember the story! :lol:
angel nympho
10-30-2002, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Uncle Tat@Oct 22 2002, 03:35 PM
Although I'd imagine Mulan 2003 will have Mulan fighting evil Mongolians and preparing and loving her white boyfriend.
Pessimisstic, are we?
wylin
10-30-2002, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by ChinaLama@Oct 17 2002, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 17 2002, 04:54 PM
hehheh by the way, can you imagine if disney stayed true to greek myth and had Hercules kill his wife and kids? &nbsp; :)
Hercules kills his wife and kids? i forgot about that part. B)



speaking of Herc, they ALWAYS wussify him for movies and shows. I mean in myth he CARRIED THE SKY...and in movies and on TV, he has problems just beating up ppl. :P


but nope disney can't very well do literal greek myth w/ all its pedophilic homosexual adultery. Ganymede a cupbearer---- riiiiighhhhhtttttt.
china lama u need to play kingdom hearts and beat the shit outa hercules w/ Sora in the 2nd tournament match.
ChinaLama
10-30-2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by himura-dono@Oct 30 2002, 05:47 PM
correct me if i'm wrong, but i read the hans christian anderson tales and they were the gory ones. hansel and gretel escape? oops, nope, but they made nice roasts.
hansel and gretel's a grimm tale. they DO escape but i don't think anyone's disnified that tale yet. cuz the only version i know is when gretel pushes the witch in the oven.

grimm tales usually have a happy ending for the protagonists, but for their enemies...the endings are FAR from happy. :)

But Little Mermaid was Hans Christen Andersen, and that was super-disney-happified. In the original, I think the mermaid ends up dying. :(
BeTheReds
10-30-2002, 10:42 PM
Yea she kills herself and turns to sea foam.