Would you join a gang in prison?

[Faithless]

Was listening to an NPR story this morning about guys who try to get out of gangs in prison. Obviously, the going is tough.

What's worse is those who go into these isolation programs -- in order for the prison system to garner information on prison gang activity. Some have been in these isolation programs for years -- some as many as 10, 15, 20 years.

They stay in these isolation programs to avoid being "snitches". Others that have had enough of isolation, are given a chance within the prison system to be "gang free". But these guys that are sniches are marked men.

I'd probably want to avoid a gang, if I were sent to a prison (the likelyhood of that is nil -- in case you're wondering :rolleyes: ).

[nonamerasian]

I guess that would depend on how well I could take the beatings. Or worse.

But I suppose anyone could say whatever out here. Removed from the situation.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Well, I guess it's preferable to being sodomised.

[YuheiCarreau]

What is it with all these bizarre hypotheticals lately?

Would you rather have no arms and no nose, or both arms and a nose that itched all the time?

Who would you rather see naked, your mother or your grandfather?

If I made you suck my dick, would you spit or swallow?

[Banana]

Joining a gang in prison is the only real way to survive.

[Hiroshi2]

You'd pretty much have to, unless you stayed in solitary confinement for the duration of your prison sentence.



Prison life is barbaric and very much like early human times, before people were civilized. So you have things like gangs and the men there pretty much roll in packs like animals on the Serengeti or whatever. Like National Georgraphic, except with people.

[Faithless]

From the Economist (http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3700336)

The number of prison inmates who belong to gangs has risen in recent decades and stands at about 20% today, according to the NMGTF (http://www.nmgtf.org/).
The fact that prison gangs continue to flourish is a problem.

It seems like a retardent to rehabilitation, especially for those that are forced to join and told to continue their involvement after they leave the system.

Makes you wonder why the correctional system can't control this sort of thing.

I guess if you go to jail, you're going to be fucked in more ways than one.

So, here comes the First Lady to take on the gang situation:

Bush and Wife Team Up to Promote Programs (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4848158,00.html)
Monday March 7, 2005 11:01 PM * By NEDRA PICKLER * Associated Press Writer *

PITTSBURGH (AP) - President Bush and wife Laura joined forces Monday to promote the first lady's agenda for helping America's youth - programs that steer at-risk children away from gangs, drugs and ``bad choices.''

``She and I share a passion that we've got to make sure that the great strength of our country - that is the hearts and souls of our citizens - are directed in such a way that every child can be saved. That's what we want,'' Bush said at the Community College of Allegheny County.

Bush has launched a $150 million, three-year project to combat gangs and put his wife in charge of it. Mrs. Bush announced a White House conference on the subject and related issues. ...

[tvbdude]

I would. like banana said, it's the only way to survive

[kpih]

So, here comes the First Lady to take on the gang situation:

Bush and Wife Team Up to Promote Programs (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4848158,00.html)

Ha ha hah hah hah. The first lady Laura Bush... What the hell does she know about street gangs and life in contemporary urban America? What are her credentials?

All the risk factors for street gang involvement points to social disadvantage and deprivation. Without comprehensive urban community and economic rehabilitation policies it is very unlikely any gang prevention policy to be effective.

This idea is so stupid it is laughable. Are these people completely out of touch with reality or what?

[nola]

Well Kay, you know another former First Lady, Nancy Reagan, took on The Drug Problem and told everyone the solution was to "Just Say No". That obviously solved our national drug problem.

[mrazntre]

Well Kay, you know another former First Lady, Nancy Reagan, took on The Drug Problem and told everyone the solution was to "Just Say No". That obviously solved our national drug problem.

usually, when someone asks you if you want drugs and you say no, they stop.

but if you're in prison with a bunch of criminals telling you to join their set and you say NO, you're in for it. Basically, EVERYONE in jail is in a gang and if you don't join a gang, you're pretty much fucked, no pun intended.

[Hiroshi2]

The fact that prison gangs continue to flourish is a problem.



Probably because you would need way more guns/manpower than what you have now or what they can afford. Remember, a lot of people in prison have no problem whatsoever killing somebody else, particularly if they're already serving a life sentence anyway.


What's going to stop a bunch of hardcore killers who know they'll never live another day outside those prison walls from organizing a riot and killing the guards, etc. The guard-to-prisoner ratio is not 1:1, not even close. There might be like 20 prisoners for every guard. That's fucked up for the guard even if he's armed, because guns can only do so much if you have 20 motherfuckers coming at you, hell-bent on murdering your ass.

[kimpossible]

I'm not sure what the gang situation is like in womens prisons. From what I've seen most women are in for theft and/or drugs rather than violent crimes. Dunno, never want to be on the other side of the bars so to speak.

[kpih]

I'm not sure what the gang situation is like in womens prisons. From what I've seen most women are in for theft and/or drugs rather than violent crimes. Dunno, never want to be on the other side of the bars so to speak.

There are studies indicating gangs in women prisons are on the rise, especially in California. No surprises though.

[nonamerasian]

There are studies indicating gangs in women prisons are on the rise, especially in California. No surprises though.

Sexual assaults, too.

[thaite]

the YW mafia already has peeps on the inside.

[Faithless]

There are studies indicating gangs in women prisons are on the rise, especially in California. No surprises though.
Yet, even with the rise, I understand, that compared to male prisons, female prisons have fewer gangs proportionally.

I understand that women relate to each other better in prison then men do.

[kimpossible]

I understand that women relate to each other better in prison then men do.

I don't know about that. Sometimes it's just a different set of problems in women's pods than men's.

[Hiroshi2]

I'm not sure what the gang situation is like in womens prisons. From what I've seen most women are in for theft and/or drugs rather than violent crimes. Dunno, never want to be on the other side of the bars so to speak.






Not really sure.................on the street, females involved in gangs are either 1) dykes who are pretty much treated like boys, act like boys, are one of the boys, etc or 2) very attractive, sexy women who use sex as a way to "play the game" so to speak and get what they want from men, but there are also attractive girls who get pimped and played by the gangmembers since they are pretty much "used". It all depends on the situation and the girl as far as whether or not she is the pimp or the ho in that situation, whether sex is being used as an advantage or a disadvantage for the woman.




In any case, when you take men out of the equation altogether (as you would do in women's prisons) I don't know how it goes down. I'm sure there are some lesbians in prison, so maybe they kinda act like the "men" in there and run the other little girls. I don't know. I only know one woman who went to prison (my cousin) and I wouldn't ask her about her prison experience unless she brought it up. She's not the type of person who comes off as a criminal either (and she's not, she's learned from her mistakes).

[Faithless]

I don't know about that. Sometimes it's just a different set of problems in women's pods than men's.
Just recalling the TV show I mentioned in the beginning. I believe that's what they said.

[deez nuts]

i would join the fuching gang.

try to make big boss cuz i believe if you're gonna do something; you mind as well be the best.

[Faithless]

i would join the fuching gang.

try to make big boss cuz i believe if you're gonna do something; you mind as well be the best.
I understand they start you out at the bottom.

But coming in through the backdoor is encouraged, as well.

[yoMAMA]

only if i won't get butt raped by those fuckers......

[Chu Chi]

We are in a "gang"

and

we are in a "prison."

A prison for our minds.

CC

[kasia]

the YW mafia already has peeps on the inside.
hence the "whatever happened to..." thread.

There are studies indicating gangs in women prisons are on the rise, especially in California. No surprises though.
are they broken down by race as well? what's strange in cali is that asians and blacks are allies against latinos and whites in the prisons, but outside of prison, it seems like (down here in socal at least) it's asian and whites against latinos and blacks.

i guess i would join if it meant more protection. but what would i be giving up?

[TB4000]

I know it's a serious thing if you're actually in prison, but this is the funniest thread I have read in quite a while.

[Hiroshi2]

hence the "whatever happened to..." thread.


are they broken down by race as well? what's strange in cali is that asians and blacks are allies against latinos and whites in the prisons, but outside of prison, it seems like (down here in socal at least) it's asian and whites against latinos and blacks.

i guess i would join if it meant more protection. but what would i be giving up?





Don't asians and blacks live in the same neighborhoods in California?


From what I understand, it's basically everybody versus Latinos out there (could be wrong, though).

[mrazntre]

Don't asians and blacks live in the same neighborhoods in California?


From what I understand, it's basically everybody versus Latinos out there (could be wrong, though).

uhmmm....

it really depends. there are latino/asian neighborhoods, black/latino neighborhoods, black/asian neighborhoods and a combination of all 3.

[kasia]

Don't asians and blacks live in the same neighborhoods in California?


From what I understand, it's basically everybody versus Latinos out there (could be wrong, though).
in the bay area, blacks and asians (mostly chinese and vietnamese) live in the same neighborhoods. in los angeles, though, koreans and latinos share koreatown, chinese and latinos share the san gabriel valley, and i also see a lot of latino families shopping in chinatown during the week for groceries.

[Hiroshi2]

in the bay area, blacks and asians (mostly chinese and vietnamese) live in the same neighborhoods. in los angeles, though, koreans and latinos share koreatown, chinese and latinos share the san gabriel valley, and i also see a lot of latino families shopping in chinatown during the week for groceries.




Oh. The reason I thought that is becuase of how you always hear about the korean shopowners in the black neighborhoods in California. Here, there may be a handful of asians in black communties, and certainly our fair share of asian resturants, but for the most part black neighborhoods are just that - black neighborhoods.