What makes you angry?

[kimpossible]

What hapa issues, be they internal or external, just pisses you off? I'm going to be pretty lenient on this thread. Just don't get into personal attacks about other posters.

[optiontoo]

I would hazard to say I can identify the predjudice and "exclusive Asian club" mentality in other Asians more readily than the average Joe. It angers me because I know what they are thinking.

[kimpossible]

I get pissed when there's a double standard from Asians. I'm held to Asian standards, but get treated like a second rate person.

Another thing: If I disagree with anything Asian, my opinion is almost always immediately thrown out the window as invalid because I'm not a real Asian. No matter how well I understand an issue.

I should have titled this Mini Rant Room. :)

[bluecollarjap]

what pisses me off? being told i'm not asian enough. i'm an orphan and don't know much about asian culture. i'm 26 and last year i just learned how to use chop sticks. thats how new i am. i'm a bit clumsy in social situations involving asian people. older japanese are sometimes cold when i dont know proper customs. but i'm learning. i'm glad i found this site. lots of insight.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by bluecollarjap@Oct 15 2002, 08:31 PM
what pisses me off? being told i'm not asian enough. i'm an orphan and don't know much about asian culture. i'm 26 and last year i just learned how to use chop sticks. thats how new i am. i'm a bit clumsy in social situations involving asian people. older japanese are sometimes cold when i dont know proper customs. but i'm learning. i'm glad i found this site. lots of insight.
You know what? I'm not hapa or anything, but that kind of stuff pisses me off, too. Nobody has the right to tell ANYBODY how to be a member of a race.

[ChinaLama]

Originally posted by bluecollarjap@Oct 15 2002, 08:31 PM
what pisses me off? being told i'm not asian enough. i'm an orphan and don't know much about asian culture. i'm 26 and last year i just learned how to use chop sticks. thats how new i am. i'm a bit clumsy in social situations involving asian people. older japanese are sometimes cold when i dont know proper customs. but i'm learning. i'm glad i found this site. lots of insight.
heh, i'm 100% Chinese by blood and people STILL tell me I'm "too white." :)

conversely, a lot of people tell me I'm too FOB. =/

just can't seem to satisfy anyone. :P

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChinaLama@Oct 15 2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by bluecollarjap@Oct 15 2002, 08:31 PM
what pisses me off?  being told i'm not asian enough.  i'm an orphan and don't know much about asian culture.  i'm 26 and last year i just learned how to use chop sticks.  thats how new i am.  i'm a bit clumsy in social situations involving asian people.  older japanese are sometimes cold when i dont know proper customs.  but i'm learning.  i'm glad i found this site.  lots of insight.
heh, i'm 100% Chinese by blood and people STILL tell me I'm "too white." :)

conversely, a lot of people tell me I'm too FOB. =/

just can't seem to satisfy anyone. :P
Haha, werd. All those "serious" Asians just straight give me the once-over and GLARE. Sorry, you don't like my cute little Etnies kicks? Aww, what a waste. :) What about the Hurley sticker that's on my car in place of the stupid Honda emblem?

Hehehe, sometimes people are just too quick to judge. A lot of times I get to know people who say they didn't like me at first 'cuz they thought I wasn't Asian enough.

I it just teaches you not to judge somebody at first glance. If I did, I probably wouldn't have ANY friends.

[wylin]

korean supremists from ktown who goto leprive all day.

[tapestrybabe]

Ppl telling me i'm white washed...
as if i'm not asian enough...

i hate that crap...

and now i have ppl... asking me whats up with me... being all into korean music and what not... like i'm starting to act too asian or whateverz...

i hate that crap too...

[Hiroshi2]

Being treated like you're some sort of animal instead of an actual person........

[Napoleon Chynamite]

People call me whitewashed all the time and I don't really care, even though I speak 3 different Asian languages but maybe it's just the way I act and crap...perhaps most 'traditional' Asian people aren't used to sarcasm as a substitute for humor. Yea I know this is the Hapa forum but even non-Hapas get annoyed sometimes :P

[Chinkaholic]

I'm not an actual Hapa, but being a teenager, I absolutely LOATHE my fellow classmen who scream, "AzIaN pRiDe" and who TyP3 lYk3 dIs. errrrghhh.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by Chinkaholic@Mar 2 2003, 04:49 PM
I'm not an actual Hapa, but being a teenager, I absolutely LOATHE my fellow classmen who scream, "AzIaN pRiDe" and who TyP3 lYk3 dIs. errrrghhh.
http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?ac...ST&f=36&t=5689& (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=5689&)

[teaz0r]

one of my best friends is a hapa. i don't like it when full blooded
asian friends call him whitey. and mock his dad. hitting at parents
is just wrong. and i hate it that the general assumption of his
mom is of a warbride or something. she fucking got her phD at
upenn. and my friend has more culture than most of them insolent
poopie heads.

[BeTheReds]

Other Hapas trying to out asian me.

White people in Asian studies classes trying to out asian me.

Adoptees trying to out asian me.

People dating me cuz of my hapa-ness

People who never even thought of dating me because of my hapa-ness.

The idea that asian languages are incomprehensible to me.

The idea that I can't eat spicy food.

hmm, more but can't think of it now.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 3 2003, 04:43 PM
Other Hapas trying to out asian me.

White people in Asian studies classes trying to out asian me.

Adoptees trying to out asian me.

People dating me cuz of my hapa-ness

People who never even thought of dating me because of my hapa-ness.

The idea that asian languages are incomprehensible to me.

The idea that I can't eat spicy food.

hmm, more but can't think of it now.
How about Asian people trying to out-Asian you. That'd get my possum in a feeding frenzy plenty.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by FrozenPizza@Mar 4 2003, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 3 2003, 04:43 PM
Other Hapas trying to out asian me.

White people in Asian studies classes trying to out asian me.

Adoptees trying to out asian me.

People dating me cuz of my hapa-ness

People who never even thought of dating me because of my hapa-ness.

The idea that asian languages are incomprehensible to me.

The idea that I can't eat spicy food.

hmm, more but can't think of it now.
How about Asian people trying to out-Asian you. That'd get my possum in a feeding frenzy plenty.
Well most of the time it's ABCs trying to out Chinese me, and really I can't say I have much of a problem with that. It only makes it obvious that they are insecure with their identity so much that they have to prove that they are more chinese than a 1/2 white 1/2 Korean guy.

Koreans don't try to out asian me because they really don't need to. They are korean. come on.

Korean Americans on the other hand, well they sometimes do it, but this doesn't really annoy me. What annoys me is the exact presumption that I wouldn't understand something based on my blood.

Or when dumb KAs try to correct my pronunciation of something, without knowing that their parents speak some kind of country bumpkin Korean (saturi), and chalk up my Seoul-like accent to being white, since it is different from their accent. I love laughing in their faces and explaning the concept of dialect and accent to them. Then they get this kinda sad feeling like their family comes from the boonies, which they didn't know before. (Okay maybe I am making this sound more fun than it is.. but still, serves em right for trying to one up me.)

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 3 2003, 08:38 PM
Well most of the time it's ABCs trying to out Chinese me, and really I can't say I have much of a problem with that. It only makes it obvious that they are insecure with their identity so much that they have to prove that they are more chinese than a 1/2 white 1/2 Korean guy.
oh my god HAHAHAHAHAHAHH what a bunch of fucking idiots

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Oh well....when I was little I remember amid my insecurity trying to out-white my white friends =X

[SunWuKong]

but you know, it does make me feel like a loser when a white dude speaks better mandarin than i do.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 3 2003, 08:38 PM
Or when dumb KAs try to correct my pronunciation of something, without knowing that their parents speak some kind of country bumpkin Korean (saturi), and chalk up my Seoul-like accent to being white, since it is different from their accent.
heh ... man you have no idea how many times ABCs who think they speak Cantonese but really speak Toisan or an 80-year old country dialect try to correct my cantonese. worse yet when i tell them to go watch HK TV and movies, whose pronunciation everyone is imitating these days, they'll tell me the TV is wrong.

people who pronounce things like the surname "Cheung" or the word "to wear" (like "wear clothes") as if there was an "r" sound in there seriously annoy the hell outta me and it takes me like 3 tries before I can understand them (they sound like they're saying the english words "Churn" and "Jerk"), but I never figured out whether that was just an ABC thing or whether it actually used to be a feature of some dialect.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 3 2003, 10:28 PM
but you know, it does make me feel like a loser when a white dude speaks better mandarin than i do.
heh, I never get embarassed by white people speaking better Mandarin than me cuz it's basically a foreign language to me. but three years ago I met a pair of white missionaries from Kansas who had lived in Malaysia since the 50s. they spoke the same dialect of Hakka as me and they spoke it perfectly at an adult level. now that was embarassing.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Mar 3 2003, 10:36 PM
heh ... man you have no idea how many times ABCs who think they speak Cantonese but really speak Toisan or an 80-year old country dialect try to correct my cantonese. worse yet when i tell them to go watch HK TV and movies, whose pronunciation everyone is imitating these days, they'll tell me the TV is wrong.
hahah are you serious??? hey i can do toisan. my mother's side of the family is from hoiping, which is really close to toisan and they speak toisan there.

but anyway, this is one reason why i'd much rather have a brit or indian girl who grew up in HK and speak cantonese than most ABC girls (no offense). many ABCs have no clue just how americanised they really are or how little they really know about things chinese (in the present).

and you know, if i were you, i would have told those kids to kiss my nuts.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Mar 3 2003, 10:42 PM
heh, I never get embarassed by white people speaking better Mandarin than me cuz it's basically a foreign language to me. but three years ago I met a pair of white missionaries from Kansas who had lived in Malaysia since the 50s. they spoke the same dialect of Hakka as me and they spoke it perfectly at an adult level. now that was embarassing.
wow
speaking of which
how about those mormons in HK? :rolleyes:

[kimpossible]

It doesn't bother me when someone non-Asian (could be white, black, Hispanic, whatever) speaks an Asian language better than I do. I might be interested if I can use them for a business advantage, otherwise I'm kind of like 'good for you' and go on with whatever I'm doing.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 3 2003, 07:43 PM
Adoptees trying to out asian me.


i admit... i find this comment to be strange... cuz from my own experience... growing up in a white household... i've related very little to my asian side...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 3 2003, 07:43 PM
Adoptees trying to out asian me.


i admit... i find this comment to be strange... cuz from my own experience... growing up in a white household... i've related very little to my asian side...
Right, so you can see why it is super annoying when it happens.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 4 2003, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 3 2003, 07:43 PM
Adoptees trying to out asian me.


i admit... i find this comment to be strange... cuz from my own experience... growing up in a white household... i've related very little to my asian side...
Right, so you can see why it is super annoying when it happens.
yeah, and what annoys me in return is your response... cuz it seems like your kinda trying to out asian them... cuz what.. how can they consider themselves asian... when growing up in a white family, environment...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 08:06 AM

yeah, and in return... as it seems in your response...
it seems like your kinda out asian-ening them... cuz what.. how can they consider themselves asian... when growing up in a white family, environment...
No, it's not that at all. I don't try to out Asian anyone. I have before, but i have since refrained from that. I just be myself and hopefully people will accept me how I am rather than how they think I should be.

I don't mind if adoptees consider themselves asian, well, because they are asian. But culture is not transmitted thru blood, and in most situations, adoptees adopted by white parents are not going to be culturally Korean at all other than what they may have learned in some class.

This is especially evident when in college, I was in a speaking partner relationship with a korean girl and i ended up hanging out with her and her other exchange student friends. Then some adoptees who did the same speaking partner thing and didnt get invited got all pissed, and in order to attempt the same thing, tried to out korean me by singing arirang and aegukka randomly in front of them, or speaking korean interlaced in english. "would you like to mokja now?" "What kind of food jowa?"

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 4 2003, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 08:06 AM

yeah, and in return... as it seems in your response...
it seems like your kinda out asian-ening them... cuz what.. how can they consider themselves asian... when  growing up in a white family, environment...
No, it's not that at all. I don't try to out Asian anyone. I have before, but i have since refrained from that. I just be myself and hopefully people will accept me how I am rather than how they think I should be.

I don't mind if adoptees consider themselves asian, well, because they are asian. But culture is not transmitted thru blood, and in most situations, adoptees adopted by white parents are not going to be culturally Korean
eh well...
its not just adoptees.. but there are helluva lot of other asian americans out there.... that dont really identify with the asian culture and its heritage...

and as for me... i'll identify myself any way i want... whether you do or do not mind...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 09:05 AM

eh well...
its not just adoptees.. but there are helluva lot of other asian americans out there.... that dont really identify with the asian culture and its heritage...

and as for me... i'll identify myself any way i want... whether you do or do not mind...
First. there is no "the asian culture".

Anyway, getting back to topic, yes, there are plenty of asians out there who do not identify wif bein asian, I understand that, and those probably aren't the ones I am annoyed at for trying to out asian me, because if they didn't identify with it, then they would not try.

Please know tb, that when I say adoptees, I don't mean YOU YOU YOU! I mean some adoptees who I have met. You can identify yorself however you want and I won't mind, but I will only start to mind if you take on the "I am more Asian than you are!" mindset, which is what I was talking about in the first place.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 4 2003, 06:09 AM
First.  there is no "the asian culture".


i think there is...
i may not be all that into it...
but some ppl are into their own specific culture and heritage...
whether it be their chinese culture, korean culture, etc... and living its traditions...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 4 2003, 06:09 AM
First. there is no "the asian culture".


i think there is...
i may not be all that into it...
but some ppl are into their own specific culture and heritage...
whether it be their chinese culture, korean culture, etc... and living its traditions...
Yes, there are seperate and distinct cultures, but there is no "the asian culture". "the" signifies that there is only one, and that's a very redneck view of asia if you ask me.

But that wasn't the subject of what we were talking about anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 4 2003, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 4 2003, 06:09 AM
First. there is no "the asian culture".


i think there is...
i may not be all that into it...
but some ppl are into their own specific culture and heritage...
whether it be their chinese culture, korean culture, etc... and living its traditions...
Yes, there are seperate and distinct cultures, but there is no "the asian culture". "the" signifies that there is only one, and that's a very redneck view of asia if you ask me.

But that wasn't the subject of what we were talking about anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
well... it may not be the subject origionally that was mentioned...
but i think the subject of whether an asian culture DOES matter....

while each asian culture is seperate and distinct from one another... i dont see whats so red neck of viewing them with a commonality of belonging to an 'asian culture'... i mean... why would we than have an asian pacific american heritage month??

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 5 2003, 01:12 AM

well... it may not be the subject origionally that was mentioned...
but i think the subject of whether an asian culture DOES matter....

while each asian culture is seperate and distinct from one another... i dont see whats so red neck of viewing them with a commonality of belonging to an 'asian culture'... i mean... why would we than have an asian pacific american heritage month??
We're fighting about the meaning of single vs plural.

We have an asian pacific american heritage month because all the other minority groups set up their month, so asian activists jumped on the bandwagon.

Perhaps it is not exactly redneck to say that all those cultures are asian in origin, given the vast size of the continent and the pacific ocean, but to say that they are culturally the same is wrong in my opinion. Saying "the asian culture" implies that their cultures are the same. And it is a redneck view that all Asians are the same.

"I love Japan, my best friend in elementry school was vietnamese, and my coworker is philipino."


"an asian culture" implies that there are many. "the asain culture" implies that there is only one.

its phrasal nitpickinig. Sorry it has gone on so long.

[Hiroshi2]

BeTheReds:

I can understand your "phrasal nitpicking". You were exactly right; people really don't understand that the asian countries all have their own cultures, hell they don't even speak the same language, how could they be the same?

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Mar 4 2003, 09:32 PM
BeTheReds:

I can understand your "phrasal nitpicking". You were exactly right; people really don't understand that the asian countries all have their own cultures, hell they don't even speak the same language, how could they be the same?
did i not also say that each culture was distinct from one another too?!!

[Hiroshi2]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 4 2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Hiroshi2@Mar 4 2003, 09:32 PM
BeTheReds:

I can understand your "phrasal nitpicking". You were exactly right; people really don't understand that the asian countries all have their own cultures, hell they don't even speak the same language, how could they be the same?
did i not also say that each culture was distinct from one another too?!!
I didn't mean to leave you out if you mentioned that too, I was just skimming through the thread, saw the last post (which at the time was BTR's post) and commented on it.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 5 2003, 02:42 AM

did i not also say that each culture was distinct from one another too?!!
Yes you did, but in the future please don't refer to asian culture as "the asian culture" thats all.

[GuoLe]

First of all, I am Korean-American, and adopted... It's like a double minority to me. I don't fit in with most of the teenagers my age who are asian and are not adopted, and I don't fully fit in with the people who are white because I'm adopted and asian. I would never try and out asian someone, that's stupid - and I hate when people do it to me, like all the Hmong kids in my Chinese class at school. I think though that just because Asian American Adoptees are always around a white enviornment, doesn't make then less Asian AMERICAN, it also does not make them any less Asian. All of us being Asian Americans, I assume much of us have gone through many of the same experiances with racism, and so on - we are all Asians growing up in a white society... Also, being Asian is not defined by whether you know an Asian culture. I think it's more defined by what part of the world you come from. Does being 100% Korean, and not knowing the Korean culture make me less Asian? I don't really think so.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 4 2003, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 5 2003, 02:42 AM

did i not also say that each culture was distinct from one another too?!!
Yes you did, but in the future please don't refer to asian culture as "the asian culture" thats all.
Alright. This is getting into nitpicking. She used a phrase you don't agree with. Let's let it go. Put it in the happy box.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by GuoLe@Mar 5 2003, 04:31 AM
First of all, I am Korean-American, and adopted... It's like a double minority to me. I don't fit in with most of the teenagers my age who are asian and are not adopted, and I don't fully fit in with the people who are white because I'm adopted and asian. I would never try and out asian someone, that's stupid - and I hate when people do it to me, like all the Hmong kids in my Chinese class at school. I think though that just because Asian American Adoptees are always around a white enviornment, doesn't make then less Asian AMERICAN, it also does not make them any less Asian. All of us being Asian Americans, I assume much of us have gone through many of the same experiances with racism, and so on - we are all Asians growing up in a white society... Also, being Asian is not defined by whether you know an Asian culture. I think it's more defined by what part of the world you come from. Does being 100% Korean, and not knowing the Korean culture make me less Asian? I don't really think so.
Hello and welcome.

Yes I agree with you that being asian means being asian. I have no argument with the ambiguous definition of what an Asian American is.

However, some adoptees come into the situation seeing a mixed guy fitting in with Koreans and get jealous, and the "I'm more Asian than you" contest starts. They think that their blood will help them fit in culturally with Koreans, since their blood is more pure than this mixed persons.

Some mixed people on the other hand see adoptees readily accepted by Asian Americans, and they get jealous. Then they try the same thing.. "but I understand how yall grew up in certain cultural situations" but since you look different, they dont want anything to do with you. I'm guilty of this.. I have tried to out asian some adoptees who were accepted by AAs more than me. But I stopped.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by GuoLe@Mar 4 2003, 11:31 PM
Also, being Asian is not defined by whether you know an Asian culture. I think it's more defined by what part of the world you come from. Does being 100% Korean, and not knowing the Korean culture make me less Asian? I don't really think so.
well, genetically speaking, of course this is true.

while there's no scale for how "asian" you are, when you look at how different asian americans (adopted or not) are compared to asians in asia, it's difficult not to think that asian americans are entirely way more american than asian. i know white kids who grew up in HK, grew up in chinese culture, and can speak near fluent or even fluent cantonese. i definitely consider them more asian than a chinese american born and raised in the states that can barely speak chinese. culturally speaking of course.

[YuheiCarreau]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 5 2003, 02:25 AM
while there's no scale for how "asian" you are, when you look at how different asian americans (adopted or not) are compared to asians in asia, it's difficult not to think that asian americans are entirely way more american than asian. i know white kids who grew up in HK, grew up in chinese culture, and can speak near fluent or even fluent cantonese. i definitely consider them more asian than a chinese american born and raised in the states that can barely speak chinese. culturally speaking of course.
This is like an argument I had with my roommate about whether or not Americans can speak proper English...

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 5 2003, 03:25 AM
while there's no scale for how "asian" you are, when you look at how different asian americans (adopted or not) are compared to asians in asia, it's difficult not to think that asian americans are entirely way more american than asian. i know white kids who grew up in HK, grew up in chinese culture, and can speak near fluent or even fluent cantonese. i definitely consider them more asian than a chinese american born and raised in the states that can barely speak chinese. culturally speaking of course.
yeah, i get what your saying here...
but still... when you put it in that terms... it makes it seem... that there is a particular way to be more asian...
its like being a female... genetics i'm a female... but culturally speaking... is there some standard rules for me to follow to act and be more like a woman... i dont think there should be... same thing with being asian... i dont think there should be a way... of how to be more asian per se...

you are who you are...
however you take an interest in it...

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 5 2003, 04:35 AM

Alright. This is getting into nitpicking. She used a phrase you don't agree with. Let's let it go. Put it in the happy box.
Is it now? Is it nitpicking when people call Asians Oriental and people get all worked up about it?

Oriental could simply be seen as a harmles word which means east, but there is enough stigma behind it to call it eurocentric, obsolete, or mystification of Asia.

"THE asian culture" siginifies that there is one. It carries the stygma that all Asians are the same. And I don't like it.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 5 2003, 10:33 PM
yeah, i get what your saying here...
but still... when you put it in that terms... it makes it seem... that there is a particular way to be more asian...
its like being a female... genetics i'm a female... but culturally speaking... is there some standard rules for me to follow to act and be more like a woman... i dont think there should be... same thing with being asian... i dont think there should be a way... of how to be more asian per se...

you are who you are...
however you take an interest in it...
yeah, but i don't really think there's a male culture or a female culture. but there are asian cultures. and maybe i'm just not explaining it very well, but you take a group of people from asia, and a group of asian americans born and raised in the states, and you note their outlook, points of view, etc etc, it's very difficult not to conclude that asian americans are very much more american than asian. again, i'm not talking about genetics.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 6 2003, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 5 2003, 10:33 PM
yeah, i get what your saying here...
but still... when you put it in that terms... it makes it seem... that there is a particular way to be more asian...
its like being a female... genetics i'm a female... but culturally speaking... is there some standard rules for me to follow to act and be more like a woman... i dont think there should be... same thing with being asian... i dont think there should be a way... of how to be more asian per se...

you are who you are...
however you take an interest in it...
yeah, but i don't really think there's a male culture or a female culture. but there are asian cultures. and maybe i'm just not explaining it very well, but you take a group of people from asia, and a group of asian americans born and raised in the states, and you note their outlook, points of view, etc etc, it's very difficult not to conclude that asian americans are very much more american than asian. again, i'm not talking about genetics.
well... i think there is KINDA like a male and female culture.. maybe culture isnt the right word.. but there is some set of standard of some sort that makes females and males different.. but whateverz.. thats besides the point... i cant explain myself well...

but yeah, i understand what your saying tho.. cuz i tend to feel the same way too... that ppl in asia are more asian than me... and even in america.. those fobs are more asian than me... ALTHO, when i go thru my phase of strongly FEELING korean... like all i do is listen to korean music, watch korean dramas, etc... and despite my lack of understanding and speaking the korean language... that way of thinking... asian ppl in asia are more asian than me, etc... doesnt apply...

And whether one is all into their own particular asian culture or not... you cant take away how they FEEL... that certain CONNECTION that they may hold... its not fair to say... that their less or more... because of some certain standard..

[Hiroshi2]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 6 2003, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Mar 6 2003, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 5 2003, 10:33 PM
yeah, i get what your saying here...
but still... when you put it in that terms... it makes it seem... that there is a particular way to be more asian...
its like being a female... genetics i'm a female... but culturally speaking... is there some standard rules for me to follow to act and be more like a woman... i dont think there should be... same thing with being asian... i dont think there should be a way... of how to be more asian per se...

you are who you are...
however you take an interest in it...
yeah, but i don't really think there's a male culture or a female culture. but there are asian cultures. and maybe i'm just not explaining it very well, but you take a group of people from asia, and a group of asian americans born and raised in the states, and you note their outlook, points of view, etc etc, it's very difficult not to conclude that asian americans are very much more american than asian. again, i'm not talking about genetics.
well... i think there is KINDA like a male and female culture.. maybe culture isnt the right word.. but there is some set of standard of some sort that makes females and males different.. but whateverz.. thats besides the point... i cant explain myself well...

but yeah, i understand what your saying tho.. cuz i tend to feel the same way too... that ppl in asia are more asian than me... and even in america.. those fobs are more asian than me... ALTHO, when i go thru my phase of strongly FEELING korean... like all i do is listen to korean music, watch korean dramas, etc... and despite my lack of understanding and speaking the korean language... that way of thinking... asian ppl in asia are more asian than me, etc... doesnt apply...

And whether one is all into their own particular asian culture or not... you cant take away how they FEEL... that certain CONNECTION that they may hold... its not fair to say... that their less or more... because of some certain standard..
I know what you mean. It doesn't matter if you don't know shit about your asian culture; you still feel that connection because of your parents.

[YuheiCarreau]

I think a lot of AAs don't even realize how much of their parents' culture they've inherited (or any children, really).

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by YuheiCarreau@Mar 6 2003, 09:39 PM
I think a lot of AAs don't even realize how much of their parents' culture they've inherited (or any children, really).
Oh, i'm very well aware...
i'm very well aware that i've been raised by white parents...
and on top of that... i'm very well aware... i was taken out of korea...
in order to live in america...

me, i'm very well aware how much i've lost...
when it comes to my korean culture...

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Mar 5 2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 5 2003, 04:35 AM

Alright. This is getting into nitpicking. She used a phrase you don't agree with. Let's let it go. Put it in the happy box.
Is it now? Is it nitpicking when people call Asians Oriental and people get all worked up about it?

Oriental could simply be seen as a harmles word which means east, but there is enough stigma behind it to call it eurocentric, obsolete, or mystification of Asia.

"THE asian culture" siginifies that there is one. It carries the stygma that all Asians are the same. And I don't like it.
Fine. And I agree with what you are saying. But it's not outside all reason to expect you to convey to tapestrybabe that you don't agree with the semantics that she used though you most likely understand her overall sentiment succinctly. I'm saying do not derail the topic based on how she phrased something. From what I read she understood what you said and she's altered her original words or clarified her intent in response.

I like you man, but move on. If it makes you feel better, I understand what you mean. I also know tapestrybabe didn't mean to say that all Asians are the same. This subject is closed for me as far as I'm concerned. If you want to continue it, that's on you.

Man, modding is a buzzkill. You should be drunken posting with me.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 8 2003, 05:00 AM

Fine. And I agree with what you are saying. But it's not outside all reason to expect you to convey to tapestrybabe that you don't agree with the semantics that she used though you most likely understand her overall sentiment succinctly. I'm saying do not derail the topic based on how she phrased something. From what I read she understood what you said and she's altered her original words or clarified her intent in response.

I like you man, but move on. If it makes you feel better, I understand what you mean. I also know tapestrybabe didn't mean to say that all Asians are the same. This subject is closed for me as far as I'm concerned. If you want to continue it, that's on you.

Man, modding is a buzzkill. You should be drunken posting with me.
Thanks, anyway it's just been a bad week.

Also sometimes I find people want to disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing with me, not singling anyone out tho.

Drunken posting? That would mean I would be drunk at school! WOHOOO!

[Xishi]

Ahn-nyoung haseyo BeTheReds!!!!

I just got back from the Biraciality Test on your website!!~~!~

I got a 73%...

C- here baby~!~~!!~!! :D YES...

[Hiroshi2]

Originally posted by Xishi@Mar 18 2003, 03:33 PM
Ahn-nyoung haseyo BeTheReds!!!!

I just got back from the Biraciality Test on your website!!~~!~

I got a 73%...

C- here baby~!~~!!~!! :D YES...
I just took it and got 100%........ ;)

[Commando_turned_MD]

Nothing.......pointless to get angry

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Anger is simply alcohol added to the flames of disappointment or sadness.

[BeTheReds]

Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 7 2003, 07:31 AM
Oh, i'm very well aware...
i'm very well aware that i've been raised by white parents...
and on top of that... i'm very well aware... i was taken out of korea...
in order to live in america...

me, i'm very well aware how much i've lost...
when it comes to my korean culture...
Don't you think you have gained anything from it at all?

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by BeTheReds@Apr 1 2003, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Mar 7 2003, 07:31 AM
Oh, i'm very well aware...
i'm very well aware that i've been raised by white parents...
and on top of that... i'm very well aware... i was taken out of korea...
in order to live in america...

me, i'm very well aware how much i've lost...
when it comes to my korean culture...
Don't you think you have gained anything from it at all?
not from my parents...

[BeTheReds]

So you feel like something was stolen from you, not that you were given something entirely different? Or both? Do you resent being adopted?