Rap music in 2005

[Hiroshi2]

Is anybody else looking forward to what's supposed to be coming out this year in hip-hop. You got Common's new album Be coming out May 24th (day before I graduate). That's gonna be some hot shit, I've already kinda fallen in love with that new song "The Corners".



"Rollin in my Olds, with windows that don't roll"


I can relate.



Anyway, it's not just Common Sense. It's his Chi-city brother, Kanye West (who's so famous and well-loved in his hometown that the Mayor of Chicago officially dubbed Feb 27 as Kanye West Day in the city). Kanye and Common have already collaborated on two tracks ("The Corner" and "The Food", which was performed on Dave Chappelle's show way back in like 2003, maybe early 2004). Plus Lauryn Hill is on the album. Kanye and Lauryn Hill (whose first album in 7 years is gonna be dropping sometime this year as well).



Even gangsta rap is looking up. The Game's doing good after being on the mixtape/underground scene for a few years now, I've just been waiting for him to blow up. Plus he was smart in a couple of ways - 1) by not getting involved with 50's dumb ass and his multiple beefs, and 2) by releasing the club-banger first, but then releasing two more conscious, deeper songs as singles ("Dreams" and "Hate it or Love It"). We hadn't had a conscious gangsta rap artist out the West Coast since...........................well, hell since Pac. Let's hope this dude don't end up like Makaveli though.



And as for 50, well...........................all I can say is that even though his video may be at the top of 106 & Park's countdown I don't think he's nearly as hot in 2005 as he was in 2003. The Massacre is not going to sell nowhere near the 10 million records Get Rich or Die Tryin sold IMO................he's gonna fall off, then get shot by QB's finest.


Master P got a new album coming out ("The Ghetto Bill Gates").......................really and truly he hadn't been hot since the late 90s but that's cool. I like that new one he got out now. I don't know how big he was in other parts of the country, but him and No Limit are legends down south.


Beanie Sigel (if he can stay his fat ass out of jail) is going to be releasing an album this year. Be on the lookout for that too (though I don't think him being in jail/prison is going to stop the album from being put out...............matter of fact, it might help it..................like it did for Shyne Po and Pac).


BTW, Beans is facing multiple gun & drug-related charges from 2002 (probably the last time you heard him on the radio) as well as an attempted murder charge from two summers ago when he fractured a 53-year-old man's eye socket at the club.




Anything else I'm missing (especially on the underground), let me know. What are you looking forward to.

[Grasshopper]

Rap and music are mutually exclusive. Rap and noise is redundant.

[deez nuts]

playing somebody else's music in the background and talking over it isn't music.

rap is entertaining at times. incoherency and not understanding what is being said is funny and entertaining - like the osbournes, brad pitt's character in the movie snatched, hong kong/cantonese movies. but, i definitely don't classify rap as music. it's more like a comedy act.

[kimpossible]

Anything else I'm missing (especially on the underground), let me know. What are you looking forward to.

I don't know if this really qualifies as rap and it's not really American anyhow, but I like J-Wess. A lot of it has to do with Kulaia's voice.

[applehead]

geez. you people must really hate rap!

i like kanye.

but i don't really keep up with rap music.
so i don't know what's coming out.
once in awhile there are good fun rap songs.
i really liked ludacris' song from that movie soundtrack.
but i get easily turned off by the booty videos.

i enjoy mase's old stuff. too.

[deez nuts]

geez. you people must really hate rap!

i like kanye.

but i don't really keep up with rap music.
so i don't know what's coming out.
once in awhile there are good fun rap songs.
i really liked ludacris' song from that movie soundtrack.
but i get easily turned off by the booty videos.

i enjoy mase's old stuff. too.


fine fine i'm not gonna lie:

i, personally, can't wait to see who disses who in 2005, who's gonna shoot who in 2005 and who ends up killing who in 2005. the biggie-tupac/east coast-west coast feud was epic. i'm waiting to see who's going to top it.

[applehead]

fine fine i'm not gonna lie:

i, personally, can't wait to see who disses who in 2005, who's gonna shoot who in 2005 and who ends up killing who in 2005. the biggie-tupac/east coast-west coast feud was epic. i'm waiting to see who's going to top it.

ack!
you must've liked rap when you were younger. though

i think after a certain age you stop listening
to certain types of music.

i also like jay-z. i think his music is easier
to listen to on adult years.

[yoMAMA]

fine fine i'm not gonna lie:

i, personally, can't wait to see who disses who in 2005, who's gonna shoot who in 2005 and who ends up killing who in 2005. the biggie-tupac/east coast-west coast feud was epic. i'm waiting to see who's going to top it.

no one is gonna top that feud.

those two are legends of hip hop, 2pac being the greatest rapper to ever live.

that said......I have not keep up with rap lately......liked 50 cent's in da club but hated his candyshop crap.

kanye west's jesus walks is ok........

[Hiroshi2]

playing somebody else's music in the background and talking over it isn't music.

rap is entertaining at times. incoherency and not understanding what is being said is funny and entertaining - like the osbournes, brad pitt's character in the movie snatched, hong kong/cantonese movies. but, i definitely don't classify rap as music. it's more like a comedy act.



The marriage between music and spoken word is so creative and ingenius, you wonder why nobody else thought of it sooner. Or if they did, why didn't they capitalize off of it the way rappers did.


A lot of singers in any genre, R&B/various kinds of rock/soul don't play their own guitar as they're singing, or bang on the drums as they're singing. So it isn't really "their" music either, right?


If you don't like rap music, why do you have to say something in every thread about it.


I don't care for country music or heavy metal but if somebody has a thread about it, I don't say nothing about it.


Besides that, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean other people don't. Just because you don't like it or see it's appeal or understand where somebody's coming from doesn't mean somebody else doesn't.


I personally don't care if you don't like it. But why waste time typing up posts saying it. You're not going to make it go away, no matter how much you don't like it. Enough people do and are making good money off of it. If I kept posting hip-hop related threads, and people stopped posting replies, then yeah I'd stop posting. Otherwise, I figure there's enough of an interest for me to keep going.


Though it was wrong and stupid for the 2pac/biggie thing to ever escalate to the level it did, it was still tragic to lose two great american artists.


On the other hand, somebody could've shot chingy in a drive-by and I wouldn't have been too upset about that :wink:


ANYWAY..........



@ kim -


I've never heard of him. do you konw of a sight where i can download his music.



i also like jay-z. i think his music is easier
to listen to on adult years.



Jay-Z is like rap music for the grown folks (30 +). Jay himself is 35 years old, and with lines like "no chrome on the wheels, I'ma grown-up for real" and "And I don't wear jerseys i'm thirty plus/Give me a crisp pair of jeans nigga button ups" he's pretty much made it obvious his style is more adult, more mature than the average rapper. Which is cool. Plenty of people in their 30s and 40s who listen to rap and grew up on it.


@ yomama -


If you liked "Jesus Walks" check out the remix with Mase. It's actually pretty tight.

[yoMAMA]

@ yomama -


If you liked "Jesus Walks" check out the remix with Mase. It's actually pretty tight.

thanks, hiroshi2, p2p there goes me.

:biggrin:

[TB4000]

Geez, CSB and Grasshopper sound like the goofy white guys on the superhero movie board I go to sometimes... one mention of hip hop then they go to pieces. Come on, I come here to get away from that.;)

[kimpossible]

@ kim -
I've never heard of him. do you konw of a sight where i can download his music.


I used Morpheus. If you had an AIM account I'd send it to you. I don't think he's really a rapper though, on his/their website it's described as "Urban" music. Whatever that means to Australians.

[Hiroshi2]

TB4000 -


That's why I stopped going to hip-hop forums. You got fuckin sets being represented there......................what the hell. You're on the internet. Shut the fuck up.


I came here to get away from that too, man ;)

I used Morpheus. If you had an AIM account I'd send it to you. I don't think he's really a rapper though, on his/their website it's described as "Urban" music. Whatever that means to Australians.





I have an AIM account, but I never use it (I don't mess with technology too much, typing on this forum is about as far as my knowledge of computers goes).


That's probably not the same thing though, since "urban" in America usually means "black" and well..........................are there any black people in Australia (besides the aborignes who get treated even worse than black people over here)?

[yoMAMA]

I have an AIM account, but I never use it (I don't mess with technology too much, typing on this forum is about as far as my knowledge of computers goes).


you don't use Peer to peer?

[Hiroshi2]

you don't use Peer to peer?






Wha................................?

[deez nuts]

no one is gonna top that feud.

those two are legends of hip hop, 2pac being the greatest rapper to ever live.


i was pulling for tupac all the way. biggie's just sloppy looking fat bastard.

i was hoping 50 cent and the game or 50 cent versus fat joe, nas and jadakiss might come close. but, i saw on the cover of the spanish paper this morning that 50 cent and the game hugged, kissed and made up in harlem. that sucks.


If you don't like rap music, why do you have to say something in every thread about it.


i like rap. i just don't classify it as music. i have almost all of tupac's CD's. i also have the beastie boys, run dmc, LL, public enemy (i also enjoy the VH1 show strange love with bridgette and flavor flav), r kelly and i even have snow. i've met rick reuben the father of rap. i've also met fat joe and the terror squad at the titty bar sue's rendez vous up in the BX woo woo.

i just enjoy the drama and bang bang bang shoot em up and outlandish behavior that is the rap and hip hop culture. it's the same reason why i like watching the WWE.


Geez, CSB and Grasshopper sound like the goofy white guys on the superhero movie board I go to sometimes... one mention of hip hop then they go to pieces. Come on, I come here to get away from that.;)

hahahah you go to superhero movie boards? are you being serious? what do they talk about there? how superman can kick spiderman's ass and stuff?

[applehead]

Jay-Z is like rap music for the grown folks (30 +). Jay himself is 35 years old, and with lines like "no chrome on the wheels, I'ma grown-up for real" and "And I don't wear jerseys i'm thirty plus/Give me a crisp pair of jeans nigga button ups" he's pretty much made it obvious his style is more adult, more mature than the average rapper. Which is cool. Plenty of people in their 30s and 40s who listen to rap and grew up on it.

hahahahaha. man. i thought i was being
insightful but i guess it's a well known fact.
goodness. jay-z doesn't look his age, that's for sure.

hiroshi. bunboy listens to rap music a lot!!!
he's just being a troublemaker.
he listens to it in the OR too. he told me.
hahahahahahah
stop it, CSB!

[deez nuts]

hiroshi. bunboy listens to rap music a lot!!!
he's just being a troublemaker.
he listens to it in the OR too. he told me.
hahahahahahah
stop it, CSB!

i like watching how white people kinda tense up when the n word is being spoken in a rap when there's a black person in the operating room.

[applehead]

i like watching how white people kinda tense up when the n word is being spoken in a rap when there's a black person in the operating room.

LOL. see, troublemaker!!

[asvenus]

The marriage between music and spoken word is so creative and ingenius,
indeed..and done right..tis beyooootiful..
cant wait for that Common album and Mos Def's 'the new danger' is too excellent for words..i wonder if the Roots or Guru are coming out with a new album this year..??

there are so many imaginative and amazing 'rap' (spoken word) artists out there it pisses me off when people listen to the mainstream bullshit and tar all rap with the same brush...not everyone is rapping about ho's, nigga this/that and selling drugs...

CSB listen to Mos Def's or the Roots albums or even at a push NERD and then say you dont classify it as 'music'..i understand what you mean when you refer to people like snow (c'mon!! :rolleyes: ) but some of them are actually valid and talented artists/musicians who rap/play their own shit...

[applehead]

CSB listen to Mos Def's or the Roots albums or even at a push NERD and then say you dont classify it as 'music'..i understand what you mean when you refer to people like snow (c'mon!! :rolleyes: ) but some of them are actually valid and talented artists/musicians who rap/play their own shit...

pardon me.
but isn't mos def or the roots
considered hip hop?
i mean. rap is different. is it?

[deez nuts]

CSB listen to Mos Def's or the Roots albums or even at a push NERD and then say you dont classify it as 'music'..i understand what you mean when you refer to people like snow (c'mon!! :rolleyes: ) but some of them are actually valid and talented artists/musicians who rap/play their own shit...

i like gangster rap a la bang bang bang shoot em up murder death kill get the cash money paper.

pardon me.
but isn't mos def or the roots
considered hip hop?
i mean. rap is different. is it?

i dunno but that peanut head mother fucker pharrell is annoying as hell.

[kimpossible]

pardon me.
but isn't mos def or the roots
considered hip hop?
i mean. rap is different. is it?


Hiroshi did mention hip hop in the first post. Dunno if that's what she may be responding to.

[applehead]

i guess rap is a type of hip hop.
i automatically think gangster rap when someone says rap.

[Hiroshi2]

I said rap cause that's what most people who listen to rap call it.



But you can call it hip-hop too. I just don't use the word "hip-hop" too often. Same thing if you ask me. If other people want to make a difference, fine. But I use those words interchangably.

[TB4000]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/deathofadynasty.html

[hooligan]

Can all the haters leave? Please, just because old Europe makes music, it doesn't mean that it's any better than what's produced by spoken word artists or hip hop artist.

I'm looking forward to Common's new album, I wasn't even aware that he was coming out with one. I'm a big fan of Kanye West, but I really like some of the underground stuff a lot better. I'm really not a fan of the stuff that's on the radio, I like Saul William's poetry, it's actually got a nice meter to his rhyme. I'm not too much into 50cent, The Game, I like some of Tupac's stuff on social ills and such. I got Mos Def as a Christmas present and I just have to say that it's a really good album, Mos Def's pushing rap to new heights. : )

How do people like the Black Eyed Peas? Apple's half-Filipino.

[foreverfornever]

To me rap is a subset of Hip Hop. I mean would you consider Linkin Park to be a Hip Hop band or a rock band?? What about Limp Bizkit?? Someone came up with the term Nu Metal to describe those two bands but really, I think their music are being influenced by Hip Hop rather than metal.

[Grasshopper]

i like watching how white people kinda tense up when the n word is being spoken in a rap when there's a black person in the operating room.

They play rap (not) music in the operating room? :eek:

Can all the haters leave? Please, just because old Europe makes music, it doesn't mean that it's any better than what's produced by spoken word artists or hip hop artist.

"Old europe" ?? Who are you Donald Rumsfeld?


How do people like the Black Eyed Peas? Apple's half-Filipino.

I don't like them either. Those ugly black guys look like they kidnapped that no talent White girl. :eek:

i like gangster rap a la bang bang bang shoot em up murder death kill get the cash money paper.


I admit I do like hearing about "rap wars". I just wish they'd kill each other all off and clear the way for some real musicians and singers. :wink:

[deez nuts]

They play rap (not) music in the operating room? :eek:

yes i have a selection of mix CD's i play. i always open up with handels messiah when i start the procedure. mix in a tupac (to make the white people uneasy and maybe add some tension between the whites and the blacks if they're both in the room. people perform better under pressure. i gotta keep them on their toes), beastie boys, r kelly, queensryche, pantera, tim mcgraw, toby keith and i always finish up with beethoven's ode to joy, pachelbel's canon and bach's jesu, joy of man's desiring.


I don't like them either. Those ugly black guys look like they kidnapped that no talent White girl. :eek:

I admit I do like hearing about "rap wars". I just wish they'd kill each other all off and clear the way for some real musicians and singers. :wink:

hahaha you're the angriest.

[applehead]

"Old europe" ?? Who are you Donald Rumsfeld?


kekekekekeke.
that made me giggle.

[hooligan]

"Old europe" ?? Who are you Donald Rumsfeld?

I don't like them either. Those ugly black guys look like they kidnapped that no talent White girl. :eek:

I admit I do like hearing about "rap wars". I just wish they'd kill each other all off and clear the way for some real musicians and singers. :wink:

Uh, ok, stop posting.

[moJo]

Uh, ok, stop posting.
well ya gotta admit, Fergie doesn't add much talent. just a lot of attention cuz she can shake her ass really well.

i hope rap in 2005 will be less about the bling-bling (gawd how i hate that phrase). and i hope it's more creative, with beats and stuff that will become classic. i still love the rap and hiphop (well, the music i was exposed to) of the early-mid 90's. dr. dre, snoop, tupac, a tribe called quest. i also like mos def a lot. (keep in mind, this is all coming from someone who is mostly a rock fan so i don't know much of what i'm talkin' about)

[Hiroshi2]

Can all the haters leave? Please, just because old Europe makes music, it doesn't mean that it's any better than what's produced by spoken word artists or hip hop artist.

I'm looking forward to Common's new album, I wasn't even aware that he was coming out with one. I'm a big fan of Kanye West, but I really like some of the underground stuff a lot better. I'm really not a fan of the stuff that's on the radio, I like Saul William's poetry, it's actually got a nice meter to his rhyme. I'm not too much into 50cent, The Game, I like some of Tupac's stuff on social ills and such. I got Mos Def as a Christmas present and I just have to say that it's a really good album, Mos Def's pushing rap to new heights. : )

How do people like the Black Eyed Peas? Apple's half-Filipino.




If you liked Pac, you might like the Game. To me, he really is kinda following in Pac's footsteps in terms of being an artist and what he puts on his album. Although there's a limit to that seeing as how rap music has changed SO much between 1991 and 2005 (the date of Pac's first album and Game's first one).


In '91, you could do conscious stuff, cause everybody was on that conscious shit back then. Now, if you want to do conscious stuff and sell records, you gotta be a little gangsta too. Not that Pac didn't do gangsta shit even way back on his first songs, but.................people aren't quite as open to that type of stuff as they would've been back then, when folks like PE and NWA and Kris were still hot.




BTW, I fuckin hate them rinky-dink ass rappers, i.e. the Black Eyed Peas. They are NOT rappers. I wouldn't even watch them on DEF poetry jam. They suck, period (IMO).



And also too, hooligan has a point. People think everything that comes out of Europe is automatically better...........whatever. I can appreciate classical music and shit, but I still like my rap music. So whatever.

@ TB4000 -




I haven't seen the Roc-a-Fella movie yet...............but I'm not sure if I would be interested enough to see a whole movie about it. Damon Dash is gone, Jay owns the soon-to-be Brooklyn Nets and will take over Def Jam and become the richest black man on earth. End of story. No need for the whole damn movie.

[deez nuts]

If you liked Pac, you might like the Game. To me, he really is kinda following in Pac's footsteps in terms of being an artist and what he puts on his album. Although there's a limit to that seeing as how rap music has changed SO much between 1991 and 2005 (the date of Pac's first album and Game's first one).



they said ja rule was like pac and look where he's at. hahahahaha. what a pussy

what i would also like to see in 2005 is whose career diddy is going to ruin this year. he's gonna tank the careers of his newest project that is making the band three. those poor girls are ruined. better put on those clear high heels, get use to grabbing pole and start stripping, bitches. put those choreography lessons to good use cuz it's the only way you're gonna make it in the entertainment business after diddy gets done with you.

what happened to da band one and two? 112? who killed fat bastard biggie? diddy should stick to what he's good at: sean john clothing, running marathons, having asian women change his linen and shoot outs in clubs. stop ruining people's careers or ruining their lives by getting them killed. there's a reason why mase "retired" and why lil'kim left bad boy.

[yoMAMA]

I love the black eyed peas, although they are not really rap, but a hybrid of rap, pop, rock....

apple...is she the lead singer?

she's hot.

{let's get it started in here.......}

;)

[kitty]

i don't think black eyed peas really counts as hip hop anymore. to me it's sorta like a hybrid hip hop/pop/rock sound, kinda like yomamma said. to me, rap is sorta the old school stuff, less danceable, more about lyrics. to me hip hop is more mainstream and therefore more pop.

while it's not against the rules, i think it's really meaningless to hate on hip hop in this thread. if you don't like hip hop, then stay out of this thread. for those of us who enjoy the music, i think we're trying to have a discussion on upcoming hip hop artists, not trying to defend the whole genre's very existence.

speaking of which, i'm not that up on the latest hip hop stuff. i know i'm NOT looking forward to the new 50 cent album. from what i've heard, it sucks balls. mos def's new album is supposed to be hot.

[nonamerasian]

I never really noticed The Game until recently.

I'm not sure which song it was that I heard, but it was really good. Social stuff with a good flow.

If he has a fan if he does a lot of that.

And I heard Common's, The Corner, with The Last Poets (I didn't know they're still around). That's hot. But, then again, Common's hot.

i know i'm NOT looking forward to the new 50 cent album. from what i've heard, it sucks balls.

Everything about him sucks.

I'm ashamed to say that I liked him a bit when he first got popular.

[hooligan]

i don't think black eyed peas really counts as hip hop anymore. to me it's sorta like a hybrid hip hop/pop/rock sound, kinda like yomamma said. to me, rap is sorta the old school stuff, less danceable, more about lyrics. to me hip hop is more mainstream and therefore more pop.

while it's not against the rules, i think it's really meaningless to hate on hip hop in this thread. if you don't like hip hop, then stay out of this thread. for those of us who enjoy the music, i think we're trying to have a discussion on upcoming hip hop artists, not trying to defend the whole genre's very existence.

speaking of which, i'm not that up on the latest hip hop stuff. i know i'm NOT looking forward to the new 50 cent album. from what i've heard, it sucks balls. mos def's new album is supposed to be hot.

Mos Def's new album is hot. I guess our definitions of hip hop and rap are a little different. I think when I refer to hip hop, I'm talking about the genre of music that has people speaking over beats and samples. Closer to spoken word, a lot less convoluted with the scene. It's kind of how I view the punk rock and emo scene. You've got the scenesters and their bands that do the cut-and-dry emo music, but then you have variations of that like alkaline trio, jets to brazil who are, depending on who you ask, closer to punk rock or emo than any mainstream artist could be.

That's kind of how I view hip hop. Rap, I think is more of the mainstream stuff on the radio, while hip hop is closer to the communities and streets that fostered the music. I still believe BEP still counts as hip hop, a lot of their earlier stuff is very straight hip hop, beats, samples, good lyrics. Fergie, thrown into the band, I think was trying to give it a little more flare. BEP is closer to dance music now if anything, but it's still hip hop.

[yoMAMA]

Everything about him sucks.

I'm ashamed to say that I liked him a bit when he first got popular.

what...you don't like.......










in da club!?

:tongue:

[hooligan]

what...you don't like.......










in da club!?

:tongue:

hey person with short stature, did you know it was the day of your birth? do you want to go the club? and drink some champagne?

apple is the guy, the short guy, he looks african american, but he's really half filipino.

[yoMAMA]

hey person with short stature, did you know it was the day of your birth? do you want to go the club? and drink some champagne?

apple is the guy, the short guy, he looks african american, but he's really half filipino.

ok, i see.

[Hiroshi2]

they said ja rule was like pac and look where he's at. hahahahaha. what a pussy

what i would also like to see in 2005 is whose career diddy is going to ruin this year. he's gonna tank the careers of his newest project that is making the band three. those poor girls are ruined. better put on those clear high heels, get use to grabbing pole and start stripping, bitches. put those choreography lessons to good use cuz it's the only way you're gonna make it in the entertainment business after diddy gets done with you.

what happened to da band one and two? 112? who killed fat bastard biggie? diddy should stick to what he's good at: sean john clothing, running marathons, having asian women change his linen and shoot outs in clubs. stop ruining people's careers or ruining their lives by getting them killed. there's a reason why mase "retired" and why lil'kim left bad boy.




New Editon. It's still funny to me that he thought he could bring them back, though.



speaking of which, i'm not that up on the latest hip hop stuff. i know i'm NOT looking forward to the new 50 cent album. from what i've heard, it sucks balls. mos def's new album is supposed to be hot.



It's alright, but with the Game's album, Pastor Troy's new album, Trick Daddy's album, etc. out I find it hard to listen to 50. Compared to other "gangsta rap" artists, he lacks talent. He really lacks talent.



I never really noticed The Game until recently.

I'm not sure which song it was that I heard, but it was really good. Social stuff with a good flow.

If he has a fan if he does a lot of that.

And I heard Common's, The Corner, with The Last Poets (I didn't know they're still around). That's hot. But, then again, Common's hot.



It was probably "Hate it or Love It". I don't think "Dreams" has been released yet, I can't wait till people start hearing that shit on the radio, though.



Everything about him sucks.

I'm ashamed to say that I liked him a bit when he first got popular.



Don't worry, everybody did. The Ja Rule thing only added to it cause at the time, he was a real hot dude, everybody was buying his records.

Common's stuff is tight, I can't WAIT. I've been waiting for a good 2 or 3 years now for this album. Now if OutKast would get back together (no seperate albums this time) and put out an album this year...............................2005'll be banging like '98 (remember all the good shit we had that year, Lauryn Hill, DMX, Jay-Z, Bone Thugs, etc).




Mos Def's new album is hot. I guess our definitions of hip hop and rap are a little different. I think when I refer to hip hop, I'm talking about the genre of music that has people speaking over beats and samples. Closer to spoken word, a lot less convoluted with the scene. It's kind of how I view the punk rock and emo scene. You've got the scenesters and their bands that do the cut-and-dry emo music, but then you have variations of that like alkaline trio, jets to brazil who are, depending on who you ask, closer to punk rock or emo than any mainstream artist could be.

That's kind of how I view hip hop. Rap, I think is more of the mainstream stuff on the radio, while hip hop is closer to the communities and streets that fostered the music. I still believe BEP still counts as hip hop, a lot of their earlier stuff is very straight hip hop, beats, samples, good lyrics. Fergie, thrown into the band, I think was trying to give it a little more flare. BEP is closer to dance music now if anything, but it's still hip hop.




I guess so.....................but the difference b/w spoken word and hip-hop, has got to be the beat. A rap song *gotta* have that tight beat..................that's what draws people in. Common's new song, even that shit needed that Kanye beat pretty much in order to make it a hot track. You gotta have more than just some dude making a beat himself, you gotta have real production, real beats.

BTW, speaking of the Last Poets......................here's one of their poems -




MY PEOPLE

My people are Black, beige, yellow
Brown and beautiful
A garden of life
with a love as sweet as scuppernong wine
growing in muddy waters
making brown babies with
pink feet and quick minds
My people warm sometimes hot
always cool always together
My people let's be together
understand that we've lived together
understand that we've died together
understand My brother that I've
smelled your piss in my hallway
and it smell just like mine
understand that I love your woman
my sister and her rare beauty
is reason enough for a revolution
yes sister my honest sister
I have had ugly moments with you
but you are the only beauty I've ever known
Yes sister my honest sister
you are the joy in my smile
you are the reality of my dreams
you are the only sister I have
and I need you
I need you to feed the children
of our race
I need you to feed the lovers of our race
I need you to be the summer of my winters
I need you because
you are the natural life in the living
at night there is a moon
to make the Blackness be felt
I am that Blackness
filling up the world
with My soul
and the world knows me
You are that moon
my moon Goddess shining down light
on my Black face
that fills the universe
My moon I am your sun
and I shall take this peace
of light and build a world
for you my sister
Sometimes the waters are rough
and the hungry tide swallows the shore
washing away all memories
of children's footsteps
playing in the sand
where is the world I promised my son?
must he push back the tide
and build the world
that I have rapped about
Am I so godly until I forget
what a man is?
Am I so right until
there is no room for patience
My brother Oh in brother
father of a son
father of a warrior
My brother the sun
My brother the warrior
Be the beginning and the end
for my sister
Be the revolution for our world
turn yourself into yourself
and then onto this disordered world
and arrange the laughter for joy
the tears for sorrow
Turn purple pants, alligator shoes
leather jackets, brown boots
polka dot ties, silk suits,
Turn miniskirts, false eyelashes,
red wigs, afro wigs, Easter bonnets,
bellbottoms turn this confusion
into Unity Unity
so that the sun will follow
our foot steps in the day
so that the moon will glow
in our living rooms at night
so that food, clothing, and shelter
will be free
because we are born free
to have the world as our playground
My people.

[YuheiCarreau]

I like Mos Def; I have Black on Both Sides and I listen to it a lot. Sometimes I wish his stuff wasn't so catchy - nothing weirder than when you find yourself humming "Mr. Nigger" on the train and have to stop yourself from mumbling the words.

I never really got into Talib Kweli (or however it's spelled) or Kanye West. I like Blackalicious a lot, and Jurassic 5 is pretty good too.

I've heard Game's album, but I'm really not that impressed. On "Hate it or Love It" and "How We Do" 50 Cent sounds better than him - which is really saying something, 'cause I usually hate 50.

Black Eyed Peas, whatever kind of music you think they are, bore me. They put on a good live show (so few hip-hop acts do), but I never liked their songs.

[Hiroshi2]

I like Mos Def; I have Black on Both Sides and I listen to it a lot. Sometimes I wish his stuff wasn't so catchy - nothing weirder than when you find yourself humming "Mr. Nigger" on the train and have to stop yourself from mumbling the words.





Black on Both Sides..........................yeah that's a classic. I think "Ms Fat Booty" was on that one (can't remember).............that was the song.


And please don't hum that song on the train................I'd hate to read about you in the paper. ROFL


"Asian man found dead after humming a song which had the 'n-word' in it..........................when he uttered the vulgar term, a group of large African-American males proceeded to beat the shit out of him. This is CNN reporting live from Atlanta." LOL



I never really got into Talib Kweli (or however it's spelled) or Kanye West. I like Blackalicious a lot, and Jurassic 5 is pretty good too.

I've heard Game's album, but I'm really not that impressed. On "Hate it or Love It" and "How We Do" 50 Cent sounds better than him - which is really saying something, 'cause I usually hate 50.




Kweli has his moments for sure.........................though I some of his lyrics don't sit too well with me, since he's a Muslim and all.

As for 50/Game.....................actually that is true, 50 did better on the Game's album than he did on his last one, hell maybe even his last one. You heard him say some shit he did not say his album. Kinda like how Jay-Z said some stuff on College Dropout he should've included on the Black Album.


Black Eyed Peas, whatever kind of music you think they are, bore me. They put on a good live show (so few hip-hop acts do), but I never liked their songs.




Yeah like I said to me they're just about the biggest lames on earth, but if other people like them, that's cool. Maybe it's just me and the rap that I grew up listening to. *shrugs*

[Napoleon Chynamite]

BTW, I fuckin hate them rinky-dink ass rappers, i.e. the Black Eyed Peas. They are NOT rappers. I wouldn't even watch them on DEF poetry jam. They suck, period (IMO).

And also too, hooligan has a point. People think everything that comes out of Europe is automatically better...........whatever. I can appreciate classical music and shit, but I still like my rap music. So whatever.

So basically you just completely trashed one group because they aren't "true" rappers and then went on to promote tolerance of all types of music. :confused:

[Hiroshi2]

Tolerance of all types of music, but that doesn't mean that I can't think that certain artists within a certain style or genre of music suck. There is a difference.

[deez nuts]

more mobb deep and x-ecutioners squad in 2005.

[asvenus]

pardon me.
but isn't mos def or the roots
considered hip hop?
i mean. rap is different. is it?
oh i wasnt trying to pretend to be some 'connossieur' of hip-hop/rap and make distincitions..i kinda use the terms interchangeably..i tend to use rap to describe 'gangsta' stuff and hip-hop to describe woteva i like...
ooooh only 5 days to go till Mos Def concert n im excited!!
i like gangster rap a la bang bang bang shoot em up murder death kill get the cash money paper..
as crazed as that sounds i swear thats actually an authentic lyric...

i dunno but that peanut head mother fucker pharrell is annoying as hell.
heehee...hes alright...

[Filiprish]

London will dominate 2005.

[Hiroshi2]

London will dominate 2005.






Who is he?

[Filiprish]

Who is he?
Lol. The city. An artist out of London. Dizzee Rascal. Nah, I don't know. He's gonna be big in the States, though.

Btw, there's a lot of interesting things going on in East and South London, as we speak. Beware.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/

[Hiroshi2]

Lol. The city. An artist out of London. Dizzee Rascal. Nah, I don't know. He's gonna be big in the States, though.

Btw, there's a lot of interesting things going on in East and South London, as we speak. Beware.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/





I've heard of him and one of his songs, only because this girl in my class kept playing it on the computer and humming it, etc.


It's hard to believe a non-american rapper could ever be really big over here. I mean, the only one I can recall was Slick Rick, and he moved to America when he was young so he could pass himself off as American (he's from the Bronx but originally from London).



What does he sound like? Is he from the hood in London (or whatever they call ghetto neighborhoods in England). Does he rap about that? It's been a long time since I heard that last song, whatever it was.

[Filiprish]

Yeah, Slick Rick is a tough act to follow.

Dizzee is from East London, which is a mostly South Asian and African. It's the hood, not as bad as South London because parts of it is gentrifying and becoming yuppie. He raps about trite stuff - the hood, girls, money, the game, etc. - but Dizzee does it different. He has an interesting syncapated rap style. But I'm more interested in the beats he produces. They're like nothing you've ever heard from the States - very electro-influenced. Outkast can't even touch them.

Guru and Premier gave props to Dizzee.

Hey, you can listen to both of Dizzee's albums on his site...

http://www.dizzeerascal.net/media.shtml

Don't sleep. You'll regret it.

[mrazntre]

BTW, I fuckin hate them rinky-dink ass rappers, i.e. the Black Eyed Peas. They are NOT rappers. I wouldn't even watch them on DEF poetry jam. They suck, period (IMO).

Have you listened to their earlier stuff? I agree their new stuff is kinda whack, i.e. pop and commercial. BUT they were making some tight beats and lyrics when they were under the radar and had not yet broken through into commercial radio. they did have "joints and jams" get some air time, but that was pretty much it. I could listen to Bridging the gap and Behind the front all day long. I think that adding Fergie killed their underground hip hop type status and pushed them into pop.

I'm not an expert or anything, but I like their old stuff and I think it's comparable to stuff by Dialated Peoples, J5, Visionaries..etc.


It's hard to believe a non-american rapper could ever be really big over here. I mean, the only one I can recall was Slick Rick, and he moved to America when he was young so he could pass himself off as American (he's from the Bronx but originally from London).


Didn't know that. I researched on the net and found out that his parents are Jamaican and moved to England to find work. While in England, his parents sent him "back" (I guess that implies his parents were from the US) when he was 11. Weird. Slick Rick is as ghetto as they come, a true OG.

Outkast can't even touch them.

That's a bold thing to say when OutKast has been doing for over ~15 years, constant radio play AND have basically reinvented themselves on every album.

[Filiprish]

That's a bold thing to say when OutKast has been doing for over ~15 years, constant radio play AND have basically reinvented themselves on every album.
Well, I've been listening to Outkast since day one. They haven't been know for making electro-influenced beats until recently. Dizzee takes that genre to the next level.

[mrazntre]

Well, I've been listening to Outkast since day one. They haven't been know for making electro-influenced beats until recently. Dizzee takes that genre to the next level.

Are we talking about the accomplishments of OutKast or are we just specifically talking about electro-influenced beats?

I've never heard his stuff so I can't really comment.

edit: Oh wait nevermind, I think you're talking only about the electro beats.

[Filiprish]

Yeah, I'm talking about the electro-beats that Outkast is notorious for. No doubt Outkast is legendary, Dizzee is a mere rookie and only 19 years old.

If you missed the link, you can listen Dizzee's albums in their entirety on his site...

http://www.dizzeerascal.net/media.shtml

[mrazntre]

Yeah, I'm talking about the electro-beats that Outkast is notorious for. No doubt Outkast is legendary, Dizzee is a mere rookie and only 19 years old.

If you missed the link, you can listen Dizzee's albums in their entirety on his site...

http://www.dizzeerascal.net/media.shtml

bah! I'm on my work computer right now. I'll check it out later when I get home, though admittedly I'm not all into electro-beats too much. I'm all about the R&G :biggrin:

[Hiroshi2]

Yeah, Slick Rick is a tough act to follow.

Dizzee is from East London, which is a mostly South Asian and African. It's the hood, not as bad as South London because parts of it is gentrifying and becoming yuppie. He raps about trite stuff - the hood, girls, money, the game, etc. - but Dizzee does it different. He has an interesting syncapated rap style. But I'm more interested in the beats he produces. They're like nothing you've ever heard from the States - very electro-influenced. Outkast can't even touch them.

Guru and Premier gave props to Dizzee.

Hey, you can listen to both of Dizzee's albums on his site...

http://www.dizzeerascal.net/media.shtml

Don't sleep. You'll regret it.





If his beats are so good Guru and Preme like him, why doesn't he do anything for a hot artist here in the States?



Have you listened to their earlier stuff? I agree their new stuff is kinda whack, i.e. pop and commercial. BUT they were making some tight beats and lyrics when they were under the radar and had not yet broken through into commercial radio. they did have "joints and jams" get some air time, but that was pretty much it. I could listen to Bridging the gap and Behind the front all day long. I think that adding Fergie killed their underground hip hop type status and pushed them into pop.

I'm not an expert or anything, but I like their old stuff and I think it's comparable to stuff by Dialated Peoples, J5, Visionaries..etc.




I haven't heard too much of their old stuff (can't remember anything off the top of my head).


To me when I see them on TV, they look so.................ugh. It's not that they look too happy, it's just that they look so happy and full of energy, they look like they're on pills or something................they're goofy, that's a good way to put it.

[mrazntre]

To me when I see them on TV, they look so.................ugh. It's not that they look too happy, it's just that they look so happy and full of energy, they look like they're on pills or something................they're goofy, that's a good way to put it.

They just went commercial, that's all.....

*add Pharcyde to that list I had before

[Irezumi Kiss]

To me when I see them on TV, they look so.................ugh. It's not that they look too happy, it's just that they look so happy and full of energy, they look like they're on pills or something................they're goofy, that's a good way to put it.
You know what they are? They're the millennium version of Digable Planets' first album!

Essentially, every year you have ONE "rap" album that all your "white friends" have on lock at the keg parties. This confirms that they are "down." No matter what, you can always expect to see that CD on their mantle or whereever they pile their music collection. Also, you see the members of that said rap album being pimped out as much as possible in every contemporary media outlet available, like Home Depot commercials and what not, to get as much cheddar out of their temporary "hot" status while it lasts. They'll define a niche in "hipster" realms. The last gasp of whatever hit song (and it always is just ONE song off the whole album, maaaaybe two if they're really lucky) will be its co-option into the soundtrack to a throwaway "20-something" movie the following year.

This used to all be about Arrested Development back in my heyday! Then people got tired of their shit and moved on to the next. It'll happen with the Peas, never fear. However there will be another group to take their place when they fall! Remember...Boho Black "rappers" who dress weird ("funky") and can get away with fucked-up hairdos ("natural") are in a word, "cool."

add about 15 "cool" points if the said group has any white members in it.

[Filiprish]

I like Black Eyed Peas.

[Hiroshi2]

The food, or the group?



I mean, I don't have a problem with so-called conscious rappers. Common, Mos Def, Goodie Mob, all of 'em are tight as hell, but...................I don't know. I just can't get with them, the black eyed peas. I just can't see them as nothing more than a really bubble-gum, wannabe imitation version of what hip-hop/rap music is supposed to be.