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Faithless
03-07-2005, 04:08 PM
Are they a good idea or bad?

Good side: The exposure to the original Asian flick.

Bad side: Remaking, when you could have just distributed the original Asian flick. :rolleyes:

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Wednesday, March 2, 2005 * By RENEE GRAHAM * THE BOSTON GLOBE

One of the most discussed movies this year is one that won't even be in theaters until 2006.

A Boston-based crime thriller, "The Departed," boasts an A-list cast including Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio and Mark Wahlberg. Jack Nicholson has reportedly signed on for a crucial supporting role, and Martin Scorsese will direct. Despite all the buzz, what many people won't know is that it's a remake of the taut, stylish 2002 Hong Kong drama "Infernal Affairs."

If there's a trend to be found in recent cinema, it's the decidedly Eastern persuasion of more than a few American movies. "The Grudge," "The Ring" and "Shall We Dance?" were all based on Japanese originals, and together they pulled in nearly $300 million domestically.

And that's just the beginning: Major studios are continuing to snap up the rights to films from South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong with the intention of remaking them with American actors. By some estimates, at least two dozen Asian films are slated for remakes. And before even a single frame of the "The Departed" has been shot, Scorsese and DiCaprio are already in negotiations to remake yet another Asian movie, Japanese director Akira Kurosawa's 1948 noir "Drunken Angel."

For all the effort being dedicated to remaking Asian movies, however, some wonder whether the same vigor and funding would be better spent promoting the original films, which are often more audacious and challenging than the sometimes watered-down remakes that wind up in American multiplexes.

"Personally, I think [remakes] are a good thing because it provides exposure for the original source material," says David Leong, news editor of Kung Fu Cult Cinema (kfccinema .com), a popular Asian film Web site. "But it's also a bad thing, because the remakes are rarely up to the standards of the originals. Some of the themes are denser in the original source, and they - Hollywood studios - tend to dumb them down. Character development is taken out or plot points are roughed over, and that's a sore point for a lot of fans who like Asian films."

While Hollywood's burst of interest in Asian films might be new, for decades savvy Western filmmakers have taken inspiration from their counterparts in the East. John Sturges' 1960 western "The Magnificent Seven" was a remake of Kurosawa's 1954 classic "Seven Samurai." Kurosawa's "Yojimbo" provided the blueprint for Sergio Leone's "A Fistful of Dollars" (as did actor Toshiro Mifune's droll ronin for Clint Eastwood's iconic Man With No Name), as well as Walter Hill's "Last Man Standing," a lousy 1996 film starring Bruce Willis. And a prime influence for George Lucas' "Star Wars" was "The Hidden Fortess," also by Kurosawa.

Yet, except for cinephiles, most folks are more familiar with the American remakes. These days, Roy Lee, a partner in the independent production company Vertigo Entertainment, is Hollywood's point man for Asian remakes. Lee finds what he considers the best Asian films, negotiates the remake rights, and sells them to Hollywood studios. He facilitated the remakes of "Ringu," "Ju-on," and "Infernal Affairs," as well as upcoming Americanized versions of the South Korean comedies "My Sassy Girl" and "My Wife Is a Gangster."

"These are films people here were never exposed to in a way that would make them adaptable to the U.S. market," Lee says. "We take the projects, match them up with actors, writers and directors, and pitch the studios as to exactly how we would do it in the United States. Before that, [Asian films] were watched by the acquisitions side of the studios, looking at them only for release purposes."

Still, in opting for a remake, American audiences are sometimes cheated out of an original film's singular charm and viewpoint. Such was the case with last year's "Shall We Dance?," based on a Japanese film of the same name released in 1997. That film's cultural component didn't have the same resonance in the American version. In Masayuki Suo's movie, a businessman, stifled by his country's restrictive cultural order, achieves emotional freedom when he enrolls in a dance school. In the American version, Richard Gere's workaholic lawyer seeks a refuge from life's demands, yet the remake lacks the original's poignancy and subtle social critique.

"Certain things just don't translate on a one-to-one basis," Leong says. "The whole idea of being a bottled-up, repressed worker and finding release in dancing just didn't work as well because America is a totally different society.

"I believe if you treat your audience with respect, you'll get the payoff," he maintains. "Unfortunately, the studios don't think American audiences are intelligent enough to follow a movie plot that's not American. There's a lack of respect by Hollywood studios that, in the end, irritates people. They change the flow of a movie, the intent of a scene; you change the original director's vision, and you end up with trash."

Still, as Leong asserts, Hollywood's interest in Asia has also created a small but burgeoning market for original Asian films. Last year, Kino Video released "The Wong Kar-Wai Collection," featuring five films from the Hong Kong auteur, as well as prolific Japanese filmmaker Takashi Mike's outrageously graphic "Dead or Alive" trilogy. Home Vision Entertainment put out "The Yakuza Papers: Battles Without Honor & Humanity," Kinji Fukasaku's tremendously compelling five-part gangster epic, which has often been compared to the "Godfather" films.

And films such as "Ringu," "Ju-on," "Shall We Dance?" and "Infernal Affairs," once only available as imports or bootlegs, are now regularly stocked in stores selling or renting DVDs.

The trend has also presented opportunities for Asian filmmakers. "The Grudge" was remade by its original director, Takashi Shimizu. And Hideo Nakata, who directed "Ringu" and its sequel, was tapped for "The Ring 2," scheduled for release here this month. Others such as Hong Kong's Johnnie To are also being courted, much as American studios enticed Ang Lee and John Woo in the 1990s.

Shuriken
03-07-2005, 06:21 PM
Hollywood has been fostering provincial audiences for decades. In 1979, a perfectly good Canadian thriller, The Silent Partner, starring Elliot Gould and Christopher Plummer, made the rounds in a few U.S. theatres to critical raves. But it was suddenly withdrawn and remade by Hollywood as The Two of Us (1983), starring John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John. The film was critically panned but did better business than the original.

If Canada is too "foreign" a country for Hollywood audiences, why should Asian films fare any better in the U.S.?

loserbutt
03-07-2005, 09:05 PM
I view it as a good thing, because it garners more attention to asian cinema. Right now, I'd argue that Asian cinema is more relevent than American cinema, perhaps going through a "golden age" so to speak.

nameless
03-08-2005, 03:34 AM
i don't buy the whole 'exposure' angle, because your average movie goer isn't going to watch the original version of a remake, let alone even know that the movie was a remake. only serious film fans will seek out the original. but if they are really hardcore, they've probably all ready seen it. i'm guessing that those who go on to watch asian films after watching remakes are a small minority, especially compared to those who don't.

it's like being happy that one person will be exposed to asian films, while nine others continue to support hollywood's crap and think asian films / actors only do wuxia themes. :rolleyes:

foreverfornever
03-08-2005, 04:18 AM
Off the topic but what about Asian music remakes? Some Japanese songs are actually pretty good and Koreans too...
As for remaking, well, HK has been doing this for years, taking bits and pieces from here and there and there you go, a new moive directed by Wong Jin.
Last but not least, I thought Brad Pitt was going to be casted as Andy Lau?? Johnny Depp would have been an ideal choice for roles that are in between good and evil.

rotrab
03-08-2005, 05:43 AM
Asian films will continue to be remade simply for one reason: money.

Why show the original at specialized moviehouses where only hipsters and foreign film buffs hang out when you can recast it with a bunch of whities, over-promote the most meaningless parts of it in a trailer, and charge idiots outrageous prices to jam into lousy mass-production theatres and rake it in?

deez nuts
03-08-2005, 07:46 AM
i view it as a good thing.

i don't really like watching taiwanese or chinese/HK movies. i normally find them corny, overly done and just in general sub par to american movies. if i do watch one, it's normally cuz 1)it's a porno or 2) everybody around me keeps raving about it or 3) i'm spending quality time with my parents.

if an american remake of the original asian movie intrigues me enough, i might go rent the original version. i did that with the ring. i'd probably wouldn't even have rented the original japanese version if it wasn't for after watching the american remake. i'd imagine this might also be the case with the american auidience.

in regards to the remake of infernal affairs, the american remake of infernal affairs might intrigue me enough to go rent the original version. but, i'm definitely watching the american version first cuz the american version has badass "marky" mark wahlberg - one of my favorite actors and singers. the HK version has good ol leatherface andy lau.

kimpossible
03-08-2005, 02:05 PM
I don't mind American remakes of Asian films because chances are I've watched the Asian movie anyhow. Besides, I've seen enough of crappy Asian ripoffs of American action films.

deez nuts
03-08-2005, 05:27 PM
Besides, I've seen enough of crappy Asian ripoffs of American action films.

yeah seriously.

Faithless
04-15-2005, 11:26 PM
The Tao of Joe: Why this Japanese Horror remake trend must end (http://www.carolinianonline.com/news/2005/03/29/LifeArtEntertainment/The-Tao.Of.Joe.Why.This.Japanese.Horror.Remake.Trend.M ust.End-905494.shtml)
By Joe Scott * Published: Tuesday, March 29, 2005

I watched The Ring Two a week ago, and I'll give you my review in two words: It sucked.

The trend of remaking Japanese Horror (J-Horror) films has ignited in Hollywood. The only problem is, these movies don't work.

The Japanese can get away with making sublime horror films about killer videotapes. The sensibilities of Asian actors are turned down and almost muted in comparison to their western counterparts. When Nonako Matsumishima played the female reporter in the original Ring (Hideo Nakata's Ringu), she barely spoke above a whisper. This made the ridiculous premise quaffable. Naomi Watts plays the same character in the American version and her performance is comparatively overstated. She reminds me of a character in a soap opera with a strange cancer. Her lips quiver and when she starts screaming, I as a viewer start asking 'how' and 'why.' These are two things filmmakers should never want a viewer to consider when crafting a film about deadly VHS.

The real victim in this J-Horror remake trend are the 80's super-monsters and new original horror films like May and Bubba Ho-tep. Sure, 80's super-monsters like Freddy and Jason were a fad in their own way, but at least they were entertaining with their inventive on-screen slashing and cheesy one-liners.

These J-Horror remakes portray a stale America where every step a character takes is slow with dread-a sexless nudity free country where few people (if anyone at all) are murdered on-screen. The only thing these J-Horror films have going for them are spooky kids. This brings me to my next point.

J-Horror films are racist in their kidsploitation of Asian youths. Sure Asian kids are quieter than American ones and they are good in school, but I am tired of Western filmmakers hurling them at viewers and expecting us to be frightened. They simply are not scary anymore, so break out the cheap nudity and bodily explosions again.

Luckily our salvation lies with the French. A filmmaker named Alexandre Aja directed a violent and sexy horror film called High Tension. Lions Gate will be releasing the film in the states on June 3rd (albeit in a dubbed and slightly edited version). This film not only has a twist (which seems to be a requirement of suspenseful fare these days), but it's also twisted. Horror movie victims haven't bought it like they do in this film in a while. The blood literally flies onto the screen.

So if you are looking for an Asian kid-free Grand Guignol squirm fest that will actually scare you, give this film a look. It's one movie I wouldn't mind if Hollywood remade.