Koreans turn up the ante against foreign teachers

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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200502/200502210020.html

TV Program Warms Up Foreign Teacher Controversy

Foreign teachers are once again the talk of the Internet. Saturday's edition of the SBS investigative program "I Want to Know That" reports English teachers in Korea engaging in sex with underage local girls, offering drugs to students and faking qualifications.
English teachers have been under the spotlight since one posted demeaning comments about Korean women on the web early this year and risque pictures from a mixed party were released. There have been calls to expel all English teachers from the peninsula.

The report, entitled "Is Korea their Paradise? Report on the Real Conditions of Blond-haired, Blue-eyed Teachers," reveals that teachers at some language schools engage in sexual relations with middle and high school students and offer their students marijuana. It says some teachers use fake academic records to get jobs with local private language schools, universities and businesses. The show includes fresh explosive comments by foreign teachers like, "I think only 5 percent of foreign English teachers in Korea are qualified," "Korean women are the easiest women to get into bed," and "I think of Korea as a big cash machine."

Immediately after the broadcast, the bulletin board on the program's website was flooded with over 1,000 furious posts. "I was so infuriated after the broadcast that I couldn't sleep," one read. "I'm frightened to send my children to an English academy," read another. "Foreign language institutes must do some soul-searching," said a user giving their name as Han Seon-yeong. "We must quickly deport all those low-quality foreign English teachers who try to pick up girls near Hongik University or Apgujeong."

The extreme nature of some of the attacks has led to concerns for the safety of foreign residents in Korea. "After watching the broadcast, I began to look differently at the native English speaker who teaches in the elementary school where I work and the Korean English teacher who works in the same classroom," a user giving her name as Yun Eun-hwa said. "I wonder if because of people like me, Koreans married to foreigners or those who have to work with foreigners might be afraid to go out in the street now." And indeed, user Im Mi-mi, who says she is married to a foreigner, said, "Since the show aired on Saturday, I've been afraid to go out... It's absolute nonsense that I should now look like a whore just because I live with a foreigner."

The fallout of the broadcast has hit private institutes where foreign English teachers work. When critical posts began flooding the bulletin board of a famous language institute, the school on Sunday placed a notice on its website telling visitors that the broadcast had nothing to do with their establishment. SBS confirmed the program was not about the private school in question and suspended VOD service of the program on its website.

(Kim Jae-eun, 2ruth@chosun.com )

[applehead]

disgusting. sex with minors?

they have no one to blame but themselves.
they're so gung-ho about american english teachers.

[YuheiCarreau]

Well, I see you've finally gotten off the subject of Japanese women, and moved on to Korean women... Is this your only hobby?

[s1eve]

i wonder whether this is happening in Taiwan also as i know there are quite a few foreign teachers there. not good eh.

[grimfan]

I live in Vancouver, BC, and the newly arrived Korean parents (usually mothers who come here with their children for the English education, without their husbands) seem to have too much money for their own good. They're willing to indiscriminately throw around thousands of dollars for after school classes, English education, SAT training, etc. Some kids have been in SAT classes for over a year, and it's like 500 bucks a month! Can you imagine the total cost?

[mrcfo]

I live in Vancouver, BC, and the newly arrived Korean parents (usually mothers who come here with their children for the English education, without their husbands) seem to have too much money for their own good. They're willing to indiscriminately throw around thousands of dollars for after school classes, English education, SAT training, etc. Some kids have been in SAT classes for over a year, and it's like 500 bucks a month! Can you imagine the total cost?

*shrugs* it doesnt really surprise me at all. I live in Australia and boatloads of Asians come over here for high school (richer ones) and university education (poorer ones).

You've gotta realise ANY overseas education is so repsected and highly prized in Asia, its worth it. I'm pretty sure the student upon graduation CAN RECOVER most of his/her schooling fees in Asia, especially from Japan or South Korea.

Second thing is that its so cut throat in Asia in terms of jobs, so fluency in English IS another leg up for well paid jobs. I have absolutely no qualms about spending big bucks on their kids if they have it.

[deez nuts]

well from what i've understand and what i've been told, these english tutors that go to asia to teach english aren't exactly cream of the crop material. if one is lucky, most of them are/were college students that barely scraped by, maybe weren't successful in their first choice of majors and changed their major a few times before deciding on an asian language major or whatever and basically just wanted to graduate and get the fuck out of college.

i can't really say i'm surprised that it happens even if the saying is true that how the korean media tends to sensationalize. hell, i was thinking about going to taiwan to teach english as a summer job the summer before starting college and the summer before my sophomore year of college for the money and the chicks.

[VV o n g B a]

i'm pretty sure the same is true in china. a friend of mine did that. it's easy to get a job teaching english w/o proper qualifications and there is relatively little oversight of what is taught in the classroom.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

The report, entitled "Is Korea their Paradise? Report on the Real Conditions of Blond-haired, Blue-eyed Teachers," reveals that teachers at some language schools engage in sexual relations with middle and high school students and offer their students marijuana. ... "Foreign language institutes must do some soul-searching," said a user giving their name as Han Seon-yeong. "We must quickly deport all those low-quality foreign English teachers who try to pick up girls near Hongik University or Apgujeong."
尊皇攘夷! Those 15-year old hookers (http://www.protectionproject.org/vt/ne88.htm) are the exclusive property of Korean gangsters and drunk ajossi!

On the other hand, I definitely think HK has gone the right way in making it fairly difficult for foreign language teachers to get visas to come to HK, preferentially hiring women (or so sez the word on the street), etc. Makes society much more livable.

[Grasshopper]

Good to see they have "sweeps" in South Korea too. :rolleyes: The need to get ratings brings out the same kinds of programing everywhere.

The problem is it leads to irrational and bigoted hysterics especially when it deals with issues that cross racial or nationalistic lines.

As one of the women in the article said the story can lead to ugly stereotypes of Korean women and girls as "whores" and foreign men as nothing but sex crazed animals.

Which is unfair because men of all nationalities are sex crazed animals. :tongue: not just foreigners in South Korea.

I wonder how Ming the Merciless up in the North will exploit this story in order to make the South look corrupt and Ming Land look like the People's Paradise.

The other issue is why aren't there more Korean Americans going to South Korea to teach English?

I don't see why that wouldn't be an interesting cultural exchange. Same with other Asian Americans.

[SunWuKong]

On the other hand, I definitely think HK has gone the right way in making it fairly difficult for foreign language teachers to get visas to come to HK, preferentially hiring women (or so sez the word on the street), etc. Makes society much more livable.

well for one thing there are plenty of fluent English-speaking Chinese people in HK already - but yes, i understand that job prospects for white English speakers are better. another thing is that nowadays Chinese society seems to think that women are better for teaching, at least below the university level.

but of course this just means that some HK girls get impressed easily by fluent English from a Chinese person and it's easier for overseas Chinese or international school kids to get these types of girls to go to bed.

not to say all HK girls do this of course. the ones that regularly see or work with foreigners generally don't really give a shit.

[applehead]

first of all, the program "i want to know that"
is highly reputable and not a gossip tv magazine show
that did an episode on this particular topic for "ratings"
during "sweeps week".

and how is reporting on the under-qualified english teachers
in korea irrational and hysterical?

and in reponse to your question
The other issue is why aren't there more Korean Americans going to South Korea to teach English?
because my parents didn't move to the US
and worked their ass off just so that in my future
i can go back to the motherland to teach korean
kids english.
second, the parents in korea and educational
institutions would rather hire an all american
to teach english rather than a korean american
who isn't full american, in their eyes anyway.


As one of the women in the article said the story can lead to ugly stereotypes of Korean women and girls as "whores" and foreign men as nothing but sex crazed animals.

so you consider a minor who had
sex with an older man a whore?
most people would call them victims.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

and how is reporting on the under-qualified english teachers
in korea irrational and hysterical?
It's possible to report on the underqualification of English teachers without bringing the whole played-out racial-nationalistic "sellout bitches and evil white players" line into it just to pander to the prurience of their male viewers.

Besides, imagine an American TV show, "Lots of blacks got their corporate positions in their companies due to affirmative action. And, on a totally related subject, they have big dark-coloured dicks, and they're hot for white schoolgirls!" Does this sound more like 60 Minutes or the White Racialist Monthly e-Newsletter?

so you consider a minor who had
sex with an older man a whore?
most people would call them victims.
First, that's not even what Grasshopper was talking about. He was pointing out the women dating foreigners voluntarily who get stigmatized by stereotypes like these. Second, isn't it quite convenient that for the purposes of TV reports like these, those underage girls not the victims of the Korean parents who raised them like shit and abused them, or the Korean gangsters who kidnapped them, or the Korean police who turn their backs in exchange for a bribe, or the Korean ajossis who hire them for a nice innocent fuck; they're the victims of Evil White English Teachers!

[applehead]

It's possible to report on the underqualification of English teachers without bringing the whole played-out racial-nationalistic "sellout bitches and evil white players" line into it just to pander to the prurience of their male viewers.

Besides, imagine an American TV show, "Lots of blacks got their corporate positions in their companies due to affirmative action. And, on a totally related subject, they have big dark-coloured dicks, and they're hot for white schoolgirls!" Does this sound more like 60 Minutes or the White Racialist Monthly e-Newsletter?


yeah but they're investigating teachers.
whose job entails, sometimes, working with
younger children. don't you think that their
supposed sexual behaviour towards said children
and students deserve some time of scrutiny?

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Still trying to remember who said that the elite in a society pushing bilingualism will always find a way to redirect the anger and helplessness of one monolingual proletariat onto the other, to avoid the two coming together and overthrowing the elite ...

[applehead]

First, that's not even what Grasshopper was talking about. He was pointing out the women dating foreigners voluntarily who get stigmatized by stereotypes like these. Second, isn't it quite convenient that for the purposes of TV reports like these, those underage girls not the victims of the Korean parents who raised them like shit and abused them, or the Korean gangsters who kidnapped them, or the Korean police who turn their backs in exchange for a bribe, or the Korean ajossis who hire them for a nice innocent fuck; they're the victims of Evil White English Teachers!

oh believe me that show had a lot
of topics that dealt with topics where
it was specifically older korean men preying on
younger korean girls.

but this show was specifically about the white
english teachers. and i happened that some of
them had sex with minors.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

oh believe me that show had a lot
of topics that dealt with topics where
it was specifically older korean men preying on
younger korean girls.

yup, and I bet after that all the single male loser "netizens" were shouting in outrage after that one, just like against Evil Whitey.

[applehead]

yup, and I bet after that all the single male loser "netizens" were shouting in outrage after that one, just like against Evil Whitey.

oh i don't know.
i never visited the boards.

[rotrab]

The good thing is that if these programs convince SK and other places in Asia to review their criteria for hiring and to do a better background check, then a public good will have been served. If some of those teachers lose their jobs or are replaced by females--too bad. They are foreigners and Asia does not owe them a living.

[kimpossible]

尊皇攘夷! Those 15-year old hookers (http://www.protectionproject.org/vt/ne88.htm) are the exclusive property of Korean gangsters and drunk ajossi!

On the other hand, I definitely think HK has gone the right way in making it fairly difficult for foreign language teachers to get visas to come to HK, preferentially hiring women (or so sez the word on the street), etc. Makes society much more livable.

Someone alert Mary Kay Letourneau.

[SunWuKong]

to be honest, concentrating on Korean gangsters' prostitution rings and whether or not that creates outrage diverts attention from the issue of this thread itself. not that i'm approving of prostitution rings, but their existence don't justify foreign English teachers praying on young Korean girls.

[deez nuts]

this article makes it sound like all these foreign english teachers are these evil predators that's putting their dirty foreign paws on korea's precious virginial school girls. gimme a break. i'm sure some of them give it up willingly.

"We must quickly deport all those low-quality foreign English teachers who try to pick up girls near Hongik University or Apgujeong."

isn't apgujeong notorious for slutty young girls? that's what my best friend told me that if we ever did our slut tour of me showing him taiwan and him showing me korea - apgujeong is the first place we would hit.

[golden_buns]

It's possible to report on the underqualification of English teachers without bringing the whole played-out racial-nationalistic "sellout bitches and evil white players" line into it just to pander to the prurience of their male viewers.


Instead of being the devil's advocate, I suggest you come, live here for more than a year, and get friends that work at an english institute, I don't think that what they said in that report is exagerated, I've seen worse. I think it was about time to report this matter on the media

And yes, many of those english teachers start to have superiority complex after a while, tell me if that's not racist

not that i'm approving of prostitution rings.

right... :tongue:


isn't apgujeong notorious for slutty young girls? that's what my best friend told me that if we ever did our slut tour of me showing him taiwan and him showing me korea - apgujeong is the first place we would hit.

depends, if you go to booking clubs you might bump into sluts, but most of them are goldiggers trying to pick a rich guy. Otherwise, you're gonna bump into rich pretentious girls in Prada or Louis Vouiton having a girl's night out at some fancy cafe, restaurant or bar.

Hongdae is the place where you get to bump into slutty girls

[deez nuts]

Instead of being the devil's advocate, I suggest you come, live here for more than a year, and get friends that work at an english institute, I don't think that what they said in that report is exagerated, I've seen worse. I think it was about time to report this matter on the media

And yes, many of those english teachers start to have superiority complex after a while, tell me if that's not racist



well you would know best. you live there

i knew a few guys both asian and nonasian that taught english overseas for the summer when i was in college. i've heard both sides of the story: guys taking advantage of young girls and young girls coming onto them like they were heirs to the louis vuitton empire.

in the scenerio where girls were coming onto them, some developed somewhat of an ego when they returned. but, as soon as they came back to the states, it's like BAM back to reality. then all i ever hear is how they can't wait to go back and shit. going to asia to "teach english" was like crack to them. i don't blame them for their sudden inflated ego, i mean what guy wouldn't if they were in their shoes.


Hongdae is the place where you get to bump into slutty girls

too late. we're both old men now.

wait nevermind. hahahaha.

[golden_buns]

i don't blame them for their sudden inflated ego, i mean what guy wouldn't if they were in their shoes.

If they feel they've become Mister Universe that's fine with me. It's just when they start talking about how stupid Koreans are that gets me.


too late. we're both old men now.
wait nevermind. hahahaha.
hook me up with some Viagra

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Instead of being the devil's advocate, I suggest you come, live here for more than a year, and get friends that work at an english institute, I don't think that what they said in that report is exagerated, I've seen worse.
Hahah, thanks but no thanks, there's a reason I choose to live in a city with so few English language teachers.

Regardless, when it spills over into lame-ass generalizations about every foreigner and every interracial couple in Korea, Sam Francis-style (http://www.vdare.com/francis/041126_football.htm) calls for racial-sexual purity, and whatnot, I'll feel free to call the guys sitting online spreading the bullshit as whiners and losers.

but their existence don't justify foreign English teachers praying on young Korean girls.
And nor does their existence justify domestic losers comparing those pedophiles with consenting adults meeting in bars and choosing to have sex with each other --- which is exactly what the discussion immediately degenerates into, to judge from Mr. Han Seon-yeong's comments quoted in the article. The guy isn't concerned about the welfare of the 15-year old prostitutes, he's bitching that it's Evil Whitey's dick in the college girls instead of his own, since those girls belong to him.