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Faithless
03-04-2005, 07:48 PM
So, I guess "Bad Guy" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307213/) which was produced in 2001, is finally being released in the states (Feb 2005).

I mean, that's cool and all for Asian film exposure, but if I go just based on Gene Siskel's review, below --

"The main characters are a glowering, near-animalistic gangster (played by Brandoesque Korean TV star Jo Jae-Hyeon), who barely speaks a word in the entire film, and the pretty young middle class college student (Seo Won) whom he accosts in a park and tricks into slavery in a brothel. Their affair is voyeuristic and brutal."

Would a film like this really be anything to herald? It sort of reads like a sick male fantasy -- seriously mistreat some woman and still have her end-up being your SO. Come on! Only in the movies right? Sounds too misogynistic to me to promote.

But then again, what do I know, I'm not a big time reviewer. :rolleyes:

Korean dark hit `Bad Guy' gets its U.S. premiere at Siskel (http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/movies/mmx-0502110397feb11,0,4239876.story?coll=mmx-movies_heds)

By Michael Wilmington * Tribune movie critic

Kim Kiduk, most controversial of the hot young South Korean filmmakers, is best known in the U.S. for the pastoral "Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter," his lyrical study of the lives of two monks on a floating island in the mountains. "Bad Guy," Kim's biggest Korean hit, now getting its U.S. premiere at the Gene Siskel Film Center, is a very different affair: a violent, sexy, angst-ridden and tremendously disturbing study of obsessive love in the Seoul underworld of crime and prostitution.

The main characters are a glowering, near-animalistic gangster (played by Brandoesque Korean TV star Jo Jae-Hyeon), who barely speaks a word in the entire film, and the pretty young middle class college student (Seo Won) whom he accosts in a park and tricks into slavery in a brothel. Their affair is voyeuristic and brutal. The characters around them are mostly amoral psychopaths. The atmosphere is hellish. But out of it comes a genuine, twisted love story that, at the end, may make the hair rise on your neck. "Bad Guy," which won Kim the best director prize at the Berlin Film Festival, is a work by a hard-core artist working with raw candor, deeply personal themes, no brakes and masterly style. It will rock and shock you as few recent Asian movies have or can. (In Korean, with English subtitles.)

"Bad Guy" (star)(star)(star)1/2 (South Korea; Kim Ki-duk, 2001). 6:15, 8:15 p.m. Fri., Mon.-Thur.; 3:15, 7:45 p.m. Sat.; 3:15, 5:15 p. m. Sun. The Gene Siskel Film Center is at 164 N. State St. Call 312-846-2600 or visit www.siskel filmcenter.org.
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http://www.koreanfilm.org/

Irezumi Kiss
03-05-2005, 04:39 PM
Well, I saw this and it IS good, but not for the exaggerated sensationalism that Siskel is parading it as in that paragraph. Maybe it's just me since I'm used to Kim Ki-Duk's style and probably have seen more of this kinda flavor Korean joints than Siskel has, but I wasn't as "shocked and rocked" as I was expecting to be. I was actually expecting some really raw explicit scenes based on reviews like the one above, but aside from having a few "whoa" moments here and there, the whole film is rather casual in attitude.

I mean, you got your requisite low-level gangster brawls, cuss-outs, face smacks, etc...the brothel sex scenes are few and actually pretty vanilla...a lot of stuff is seen from the sympathetic-voyeuristic point of view of Jo Jae-Hyeon rather than up in your face...if you're used to this stuff, it won't shock you, but I guess when they try to lure in the typical non-Asian American viewer, it's gotta be said in a way to make the viewer think they're seeing something really "wild and crazy."

That may be true for some joints, but Ki-Duk's style isn't typical and towards the end it reveals itself to be a love story...just a kinda BENT one!

In fact, the Turkish/German joint "Head On," which is similar in theme and mood, is a LOT more "brutal" in its in-your-face depiction of lowlifes falling in love, but the reviews on that are a lot more sanguine.

I understand they need some established names to promote these films in a certain way to get as many butts in seats as possible, and the "shocking Asian film" has its allure & cachet, but Kim Ki-Duk is not Takashi Miike (who I like as well, but they are totally different filmmakers)

Anyway, Chotto, you might like it, but definitely I wouldn't put it on your "Non-Martial Arts/Anime Asian Films List For My Kids!"

Faithless
03-05-2005, 06:50 PM
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Anyway, Chotto, you might like it, but definitely I wouldn't put it on your "Non-Martial Arts/Anime Asian Films List For My Kids!"
:biggrin:

Well, but I have some standards, too. I'm really turned-off by rape scenes. But also turned-off by the plot suggestions as I detailed above.

There's not many reviews that google can discern, but if the movie reflects a portion of what Siskel mentions -- the mind fuck of the chick (fuckee) and her eventual love affair the fucker -- I wouldn't go for it. :rolleyes:

Irezumi Kiss
03-06-2005, 11:20 AM
:biggrin:

Well, but I have some standards, too. I'm really turned-off by rape scenes. But also turned-off by the plot suggestions as I detailed above.

There's not many reviews that google can discern, but if the movie reflects a portion of what Siskel mentions -- the mind fuck of the chick (fuckee) and her eventual love affair the fucker -- I wouldn't go for it. :rolleyes:
hmmm....

I'm trying to think on if there's anything redeemable in this that would convince you to watch it...not that it's Academy Award Winning watchable, but I do like this director and his films grant more than the superficial reviews he usually garners when his stuff comes over this way.

Lemme put it this way — Ki-Duk doesn't fake the funk when it comes to representing life "as is" sans the gratuity or over-the-top sensationalism. It's not something I would show my kids but his films don't insult your intelligence in the least. Plus, any misogyny you might be turned off by is implied thru the characters in his stories, not by default of the deux ex machina of cinema studios. It's like, you're going into this movie knowing about a particular slice of life. So there's gonna be scenes of men getting over on women in this biz, but it shouldn't be any less provocative than, let's say, "Pretty Woman," which even though I enjoyed superficially, I could say that it's more insulting as a gullible pipe dream of what many men would love the sex trade to be to them, especially if they had the bank account and the moxie to parade into a Beverly Hills salon and do whatever they wanted to by power of name alone.

Ki-Duk don't play that shit and I love him for it.

The protagonist in this joint, he's cut from a slightly different cloth than your usual roadtown pimp/gangster. There is a reason why he doesn't talk (much) which the film doesn't explain in words but you will see for yourself immediately if you're watching correctly. He's not totally amoral and his flaws make him sympathetic. Plus, the girl's character, while obviously the victim in the drama and somewhat milked for the "clean-cut semi-virginal good girl done wrong" factor, is not wholly "innocent" in the scheme of things and arguably comes out being the controller character in the end...if you interpret it in a certain way...I dunno...maybe I'm just a sucker for love stories that aren't completely predictable from overused clichés and stereotypes!

You know, I just realized I'm pimping his movies a bit more than a fan typically would...shit, maybe I should quit my job and do "urban marketing" PR for his film company, yey?

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