Are you armed?

[Hiroshi2]

Well?



Let me just say this - I found out recently that Japan actually produces quite a few guns (I actually saw Japanese writing on a Desert Eagle once). I think that's really ironic considering the fact that nobody in Japan has a gone and people rarely if ever get shot over there.


Anyway, back to the question. Do you exercise your 2nd Amendment right?

[moser]

Lord help everyone if I did.

[SunWuKong]

personally i would never own a gun. i don't like the idea of hunting, and if i ever feel the need to arm myself, i'll try to find less lethal ways of doing so.

[Emperor_Mike]

I have two reproduction antique firearms, but it's pretty difficult to find ammunition for a Charleville musket. It'd also take me about two minutes to load before I can fire in self defence. Armed? In a fashion, I guess. Hah!

[VV o n g B a]

i don't own a gun but shooting guns rocks. the bigger the better... i've shot handguns, shotguns, high powered rifles, and semi-automatic rifles like the ar-15. when i shot the rifles, they were so powerful u could see the shockwave hit the grass.

but actually killing things w/ guns i've only done once. shot a bird in the eye w/ a bbgun. man, i felt so awful i don't know if i could really go out and hunt something.

[yoMAMA]

nope..not armed.

although i think it is legal to buy every kind of rifles here in minnesota, from small handguns to 50 caliber machien guns. [who the hell would need that big a gun, anyways.....]

[tvbdude]

nope..not armed.

although i think it is legal to buy every kind of rifles here in minnesota, from small handguns to 50 caliber machien guns. [who the hell would need that big a gun, anyways.....]

I would if I have the money. right now I only have a bb gun

[John0101]

If anyone of my friends ever got a firearm I would stop hanging out with them.

I think one of my friends got some sort of emotional disorder (not bipolar but just really really depressed, needy, and out of it with the well-being of other people) and wants to get a gun to hunt down that black guy who "wronged him" aka stole his money.

[onnihs]

i'm a few months away from picking up my .45 Springfield XD. that thing is so beautiful.

it will bring me a good feeling when i sleep at night.

[YuheiCarreau]

Mom never let me have a BB gun when I was a kid. Maybe I should get one now.

[kimpossible]

I've used them (BB, pistols, rifle, shotgun) since I was a kid but I don't own one currently. I might start hunting but I prefer to do so by bow rather than gun. I don't think I'd ever go after big game because I'd like to be able to drag out by myself anything I could kill and dress.

I'll probably go back the range sometime soon and maybe take an intermediate to advanced handgun class. Depends on how rusty I am.

[kpih]

I am only armed with razor sharp intellect and a piercing personality...

Wit is mightier than a Knight's SR-15 .223...

Sheesh...

[Hiroshi2]

i don't own a gun but shooting guns rocks. the bigger the better... i've shot handguns, shotguns, high powered rifles, and semi-automatic rifles like the ar-15. when i shot the rifles, they were so powerful u could see the shockwave hit the grass.

but actually killing things w/ guns i've only done once. shot a bird in the eye w/ a bbgun. man, i felt so awful i don't know if i could really go out and hunt something.



Yeah I've shot my uncle's Glock 36, as well as his .357.



If anyone of my friends ever got a firearm I would stop hanging out with them.



LOL that sounds like something my parents would say.


Some of the people I hang out with do carry guns though. One of my good friends keeps a Desert Eagle (gold one) in his glove compartment. Another dude I hang out w/ sometimes, he has three of them, but they're not gold. Another one got a Mack 10, and this other dude I used to hoop with has an AK-47, two Glocks, and a .357. That AK a fool, it really ain't what you want if you're gonna get shot. Needless to say, I don't hang out with him too often..................just sometimes. Actually he's a maniac so I should stop hanging around him. One time this dude was talking some shit about his girlfriend, and he confronted the dude on the street. He kept talking shit and sprayed the AK (lightly though). He fired thirteen shots in all, 11 hit his leg, two grazed his pant leg. He had to get that leg amputated. He got arrested but the case was thrown out due to lack of circumstantial evidence (LOL). The dude he shot was this scrawny dude I went to elementary school with though, quite frankly I knew somebody was gonna shoot him sooner or later.




Yeah, anyway back to the topic.......................where do y'all go in terms of firing ranges, like shooting guns for sport/practice, etc? With my uncle, we literally shot in his backyard (I know it's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city of Birmingham, but that neighborhood gets so much gunfire hardly anybody calls the cops unless they actually see somebody getting shot). The police never said anything about him doing that.

[sageb1]

Up here in Canada we have our expensive national gun registry. [laugh track]

It's an expensive way of finding who's conscientious about being law-abiding and a gun-owner.

The biggest expense was the bill to Canadian taxpayers. [hoots]

You see, now it turns out that only criminals and policemen may carry guns. [booing]

And angry young men who are deranged like James Roszko.

Who's James Roszko? Well, he's this fellow up in Mayerthrope, Alberta, who shot 4 RCMP officers recently and then shot himself just the other day.

Now 4 officer's family and James Roszko's family are in mourning. [a moment of silence]

Up here, the news media are trying to paint it as a grow-op bust gone wrong. That's just bogus.

You see, I feel Jim lost that big fight with himself as a kid. He got into the "wrong crowd", and hung with "bad boys."

So if you got any, hug your kids and teach 'em proper respect of firearms.

Up here in Canada it's cos of over 80 years of cannabis prohibition that 4 policemen lost their lives because one man lost his senses due to drugs.

But that's only my opinion.

And my opinion ain't gonna bring back those policemen or restore James Raczko as an innocent kid.

Drugs and guns don't kill; people do.

Condolescences to both police and people around the world killed directly and indirectly by the "War on Drugs".

[Hiroshi2]

Up here in Canada we have our expensive national gun registry. [laugh track]

It's an expensive way of finding who's conscientious about being law-abiding and a gun-owner.

The biggest expense was the bill to Canadian taxpayers. [hoots]

You see, now it turns out that only criminals and policemen may carry guns. [booing]

And angry young men who are deranged like James Roszko.

Who's James Roszko? Well, he's this fellow up in Mayerthrope, Alberta, who shot 4 RCMP officers recently and then shot himself just the other day.

Now 4 officer's family and James Roszko's family are in mourning. [a moment of silence]

Up here, the news media are trying to paint it as a grow-op bust gone wrong. That's just bogus.

You see, I feel Jim lost that big fight with himself as a kid. He got into the "wrong crowd", and hung with "bad boys."

So if you got any, hug your kids and teach 'em proper respect of firearms.

Up here in Canada it's cos of over 80 years of cannabis prohibition that 4 policemen lost their lives because one man lost his senses due to drugs.

But that's only my opinion.

And my opinion ain't gonna bring back those policemen or restore James Raczko as an innocent kid.

Drugs and guns don't kill; people do.

Condolescences to both police and people around the world killed directly and indirectly by the "War on Drugs".




Yeah and see if you've ever seen Bowling for Columbine..............that movie was pretty interesting, talking about why America and Canada both have so many guns and gun-owners but America has many more murders. Probably the worst part about it was how are these old white men were trying to pin the problem on blacks. I'm like, OK come down here to Alabama and see all these white people with guns.



But seriously though.................it's an interesting question. I bet that was the only murder y'all had in Alberta all year. Meanwhile, Birmingham's murder rate is twice now what it was at this time last year.

[deez nuts]

yup. i have a rifle and a shotgun.

waiting on handgun license.

thinking about taking up bow hunting too.

[Hiroshi2]

yup. i have a rifle and a shotgun.

waiting on handgun license.

thinking about taking up bow hunting too.




So you hunt?


I know somebody who used to hunt, but said he doesn't like to because hunters tend to shoot on sound, rather than sight, i.e. they hear something, and shoot in the direction of the sound, rather than actually looking for an animal to shoot. This almost got him killed one time in the woods.

[deez nuts]

So you hunt?


nope. bowhunting just intrigues me at the moment.

a few of my co-workers have a this nice cabin estate upstate and they all go bowhunting all the time. they give me fresh venison every now and then. i've been invited to go along. the thrill of the hunt appeals to me. but, the thought of communing with nature and shit doesn't.

[kimpossible]

Yeah, anyway back to the topic.......................where do y'all go in terms of firing ranges, like shooting guns for sport/practice, etc? With my uncle, we literally shot in his backyard (I know it's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city of Birmingham, but that neighborhood gets so much gunfire hardly anybody calls the cops unless they actually see somebody getting shot). The police never said anything about him doing that.

Desert Eagle doesn't excite me. That's really more stopping power than you need for personal protection. I guess if you're more interested in the idea of owning one and brandishing it than having it there in case you make the decision to use it to defend yourself. Personal peeve. I'm more about having a weapon that's effectively concealable, feels good in my hand and something I could draw quickly and fire multiple shots quickly without too much recoil.

Anyhow, I prefer to shoot at places owned by former law enforcement and frequented by long term enthusiasts who are more likely to be 1) responsible 2) good shots. I'm also willing to pay a bit more for an environmentally conscious place that cleans up all the shot. The last range I went to sucked ass. They rented guns to inexperience shooters and some dipshit firing at a target 5-10 ft away with a 9mm turned with his weapon to look around for his buddy and ended up pointing the barrel at me. I'm not too big on hunters but at least they tend to be much more competent than people excited about guns. At least they've killed with them and have a better respect for them.

But I have shot outdoors before like redneck style. Go out into the woods and set up bottles, targets.

About the murder rate, a better measure in any geograpic area of shootings is to look at the number of actual shootings, not deaths. The quality of medical services in any given area can have an affect on the murder rate; the better and more advanced medical services are and emergency respose, the less likely death is from a gunshot.

[yoMAMA]

nope. bowhunting just intrigues me at the moment.

a few of my co-workers have a this nice cabin estate upstate and they all go bowhunting all the time. they give me fresh venison every now and then. i've been invited to go along. the thrill of the hunt appeals to me. but, the thought of communing with nature and shit doesn't.

so they killed bambi?

:mad:

:tongue:

[deez nuts]

so they killed bambi?

:mad:

:tongue:

cut his body up, ate him and stuck his head on the wall of his trophy room.

[mr. x]

anyone here into airsoft? anyone know where to find a realistic looking ak-47 for under 200?

[yoMAMA]

anyone here into airsoft? anyone know where to find a realistic looking ak-47 for under 200?

contact your nearest PLA arms dealer......

:wink:

[mr. x]

contact your nearest PLA arms dealer......

:wink:
pla?

[Hiroshi2]

Desert Eagle doesn't excite me. That's really more stopping power than you need for personal protection. I guess if you're more interested in the idea of owning one and brandishing it than having it there in case you make the decision to use it to defend yourself. Personal peeve. I'm more about having a weapon that's effectively concealable, feels good in my hand and something I could draw quickly and fire multiple shots quickly without too much recoil.




I admit, the people I know who have them do kind of show them off in a real flashy way, especially the dude who has those 3 gold ones. It IS a powerful handgun and is particulary popular on the streets here, I notice. But then again, a lot of folks who own guns here aren't neccesarily thinking about, "well this is really more than what I need in order to defend myself", it's more like, "I want the biggest MFing gun on the block."



Anyhow, I prefer to shoot at places owned by former law enforcement and frequented by long term enthusiasts who are more likely to be 1) responsible 2) good shots. I'm also willing to pay a bit more for an environmentally conscious place that cleans up all the shot. The last range I went to sucked ass. They rented guns to inexperience shooters and some dipshit firing at a target 5-10 ft away with a 9mm turned with his weapon to look around for his buddy and ended up pointing the barrel at me. I'm not too big on hunters but at least they tend to be much more competent than people excited about guns. At least they've killed with them and have a better respect for them.

But I have shot outdoors before like redneck style. Go out into the woods and set up bottles, targets.





LOL yeah I feel ya. Kinda like that scene from Menace II Society where one of the dudes is holding a big ass rifle and inadvertenly points it towards the other 3 or 4 dudes in the room and everybody gets real scared, even though they're supposed to be hardcore gangstas. Guns are worse than scissors or even knives when it comes to people getting scared when you point one at them, even they're not loaded (which is perfectly understandable).



About the murder rate, a better measure in any geograpic area of shootings is to look at the number of actual shootings, not deaths. The quality of medical services in any given area can have an affect on the murder rate; the better and more advanced medical services are and emergency respose, the less likely death is from a gunshot.



Well, the west side of Birmingham is the side where a lot of this shit goes down. There used to be 2 trauma centers covering the west side, but they just closed down one of them, so now there's only one. Supposedly, with the university, Birmingham is supposed to be one of the best medical cities in the country, and there are a LOT of people here who work in the medical field, but still..................you hate to hear about one less emergency room in a part of the city where they have more than their fair share of emergencies.





C-boy, you ever ate deer meat? I heard it's real good.

[deez nuts]

C-boy, you ever ate deer meat? I heard it's real good.

yup it's real good.

the radiologist that hooks me up has a seperate fridge of butcher cut meats he's killed.

they make it real tempting for me to join them too: a huge ass cabin, personal chef, big wet bar, country music, etc etc. i don't think i can perch in a forest all day waiting and waiting and waiting for something to come by and when the time comes i don't know how i will repsond and make that kill shot. however, my megalomania and god complex likes the idea of holding a life in palm of my hands.

[yoMAMA]

pla?

PLA=people's liberation army, china's army and one of the biggest suppliers of arms worldwide.....

where else do you think those L.A gangsters got their AK47s from?

:tongue:

[Seamus]

Today I didn't even have to use my AK; I got to say it was a good day.

[kimpossible]

I admit, the people I know who have them do kind of show them off in a real flashy way, especially the dude who has those 3 gold ones. It IS a powerful handgun and is particulary popular on the streets here, I notice. But then again, a lot of folks who own guns here aren't neccesarily thinking about, "well this is really more than what I need in order to defend myself", it's more like, "I want the biggest MFing gun on the block."


I do understand and do love a beautiful handgun though. There are some absolutely gorgeous Sig Sauers that I drool over quite a bit, but when you get down to it - the real part of it - they're a killing tool and if I had it and felt I needed to defend my life from a threat my priorities are to be really good with it and possess the will to use it. You can have the biggest fucking gun on the block but if you can't hit anything it kind of defeats the purpose.

Okay, I do love the really cool looking riot guns as well. :smile:

[Napoleon Chynamite]

My friend showed me his glock and ak47. I personally am not armed.

I do understand and do love a beautiful handgun though. There are some absolutely gorgeous Sig Sauers that I drool over quite a bit, but when you get down to it - the real part of it - they're a killing tool and if I had it and felt I needed to defend my life from a threat my priorities are to be really good with it and possess the will to use it. You can have the biggest fucking gun on the block but if you can't hit anything it kind of defeats the purpose.

Okay, I do love the really cool looking riot guns as well. :smile:

what a hick

~ :biggrin:

[kimpossible]

If only Saab would offer a gunrack accessory.

[mr. x]

If only Saab would offer a gunrack accessory.
honky tonk woman

[Arex]

My brother has two MAK-90s (one Chinese made, the other...Bulgarian? Hungarian? I forget which) and some piece of shit saturday night special.

I think guns of any sort are a lot of fun to go shooting with at the range, but I still think they possess more power than realistically needs to be in the hands of any man, woman or child who's not law enforcement or military. Guns are down right scary in their power. We'd be much better off without them.

Here's me shooting a BB gun many years back in the desert, "redneck style" at my friend's property, before I regrew my hair to at least look like a respectable attorney.=) Note my left handed use of the rifle because my right eye is horrible.

http://www.geocities.com/alexwong91/Images/mak90.txt

[thaite]

yes

[yuuteya]

yes ive got two that axilate in the middle. very useful things they are.

[iris]

I do not advocate uneducated gun owners.

I am both licensed to carry and to conceal and carry. I had to take two 3 hour classes and I am an expert marksman.

I also know how to take care of my weapon including cleaning and safety equipment. I think the most dangerous people are gun owners who don't know the laws of their state or how to use their piece.

I own a lockbox, as recommended by law enforcement, for the guns I do have. I do not conceal and carry now as I live in a state that does not allow it. You typically cannot transfer permits and must apply and re-test for new ones in each state. Since I did not do this, I also did not bring my guns with me when I moved. Instead, I left them in the care of my brother who is also licensed. If I ever decide to get them back, I will go back and re-take classes to brush up before taking possession again. That is the only responsible way to do it.

What makes me laugh the most is movies where the assailants shoot sideways. That's a great way to burn your face with a spent shell.

Playing with guns is a good way to take your thumb off if you don't know how to shoot an automatic correctly. You can easily injure yourself or others though most people think they can't hurt themselves. The kick-back is vicious on some models and shooting isn't a neat thing. Smoke, dust, and a misfired shell can take out your eye. Always wear goggles when practicing and you must go to an accredited range if your state regulates them. If not, definitely take Kim's advice and go to one owned by former law enforcement who are more likely to offer education classes and oversee the galleries.

[kimpossible]

I do not advocate uneducated gun owners.

I am both licensed to carry and to conceal and carry. I had to take two 3 hour classes and I am an expert marksman.

I also know how to take care of my weapon including cleaning and safety equipment. I think the most dangerous people are gun owners who don't know the laws of their state or how to use their piece.

I own a lockbox, as recommended by law enforcement, for the guns I do have. I do not conceal and carry now as I live in a state that does not allow it. You typically cannot transfer permits and must apply and re-test for new ones in each state. Since I did not do this, I also did not bring my guns with me when I moved. Instead, I left them in the care of my brother who is also licensed. If I ever decide to get them back, I will go back and re-take classes to brush up before taking possession again. That is the only responsible way to do it.

What makes me laugh the most is movies where the assailants shoot sideways. That's a great way to burn your face with a spent shell.

Playing with guns is a good way to take your thumb off if you don't know how to shoot an automatic correctly. You can easily injure yourself or others though most people think they can't hurt themselves. The kick-back is vicious on some models and shooting isn't a neat thing. Smoke, dust, and a misfired shell can take out your eye. Always wear goggles when practicing and you must go to an accredited range if your state regulates them. If not, definitely take Kim's advice and go to one owned by former law enforcement who are more likely to offer education classes and oversee the galleries.

^Yes. Responsible, educated, knows her rights and the law, values marksmanship over showmanship, safety minded, in control.

I think I might cry.

[yoMAMA]

I do not advocate uneducated gun owners.

I am both licensed to carry and to conceal and carry. I had to take two 3 hour classes and I am an expert marksman.

I also know how to take care of my weapon including cleaning and safety equipment. I think the most dangerous people are gun owners who don't know the laws of their state or how to use their piece.

I own a lockbox, as recommended by law enforcement, for the guns I do have. I do not conceal and carry now as I live in a state that does not allow it. You typically cannot transfer permits and must apply and re-test for new ones in each state. Since I did not do this, I also did not bring my guns with me when I moved. Instead, I left them in the care of my brother who is also licensed. If I ever decide to get them back, I will go back and re-take classes to brush up before taking possession again. That is the only responsible way to do it.

What makes me laugh the most is movies where the assailants shoot sideways. That's a great way to burn your face with a spent shell.

Playing with guns is a good way to take your thumb off if you don't know how to shoot an automatic correctly. You can easily injure yourself or others though most people think they can't hurt themselves. The kick-back is vicious on some models and shooting isn't a neat thing. Smoke, dust, and a misfired shell can take out your eye. Always wear goggles when practicing and you must go to an accredited range if your state regulates them. If not, definitely take Kim's advice and go to one owned by former law enforcement who are more likely to offer education classes and oversee the galleries.


You go girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YuheiCarreau]

I do not advocate uneducated gun owners.

I am both licensed to carry and to conceal and carry. I had to take two 3 hour classes and I am an expert marksman.

I also know how to take care of my weapon including cleaning and safety equipment. I think the most dangerous people are gun owners who don't know the laws of their state or how to use their piece.

I own a lockbox, as recommended by law enforcement, for the guns I do have. I do not conceal and carry now as I live in a state that does not allow it. You typically cannot transfer permits and must apply and re-test for new ones in each state. Since I did not do this, I also did not bring my guns with me when I moved. Instead, I left them in the care of my brother who is also licensed. If I ever decide to get them back, I will go back and re-take classes to brush up before taking possession again. That is the only responsible way to do it.

What makes me laugh the most is movies where the assailants shoot sideways. That's a great way to burn your face with a spent shell.

Playing with guns is a good way to take your thumb off if you don't know how to shoot an automatic correctly. You can easily injure yourself or others though most people think they can't hurt themselves. The kick-back is vicious on some models and shooting isn't a neat thing. Smoke, dust, and a misfired shell can take out your eye. Always wear goggles when practicing and you must go to an accredited range if your state regulates them. If not, definitely take Kim's advice and go to one owned by former law enforcement who are more likely to offer education classes and oversee the galleries.

Doesn't a gun have to be registered in the name of the person who owns it? Did you transfer your registration to your brother when you moved?

[iris]

Doesn't a gun have to be registered in the name of the person who owns it? Did you transfer your registration to your brother when you moved?

You can have multiple users registered to the same gun if it is a spouse or family member in the state of Missouri.

[Hiroshi2]

You can have multiple users registered to the same gun if it is a spouse or family member in the state of Missouri.




Hey do you know of a site where I can look up Alabama gun laws? I tried Google, but all I got was a bunch of mumbo-jumbo and it didn't tell me nothing.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I do not advocate uneducated gun owners.

I am both licensed to carry and to conceal and carry. I had to take two 3 hour classes and I am an expert marksman.

I also know how to take care of my weapon including cleaning and safety equipment. I think the most dangerous people are gun owners who don't know the laws of their state or how to use their piece.

I own a lockbox, as recommended by law enforcement, for the guns I do have. I do not conceal and carry now as I live in a state that does not allow it. You typically cannot transfer permits and must apply and re-test for new ones in each state. Since I did not do this, I also did not bring my guns with me when I moved. Instead, I left them in the care of my brother who is also licensed. If I ever decide to get them back, I will go back and re-take classes to brush up before taking possession again. That is the only responsible way to do it.

What makes me laugh the most is movies where the assailants shoot sideways. That's a great way to burn your face with a spent shell.

Playing with guns is a good way to take your thumb off if you don't know how to shoot an automatic correctly. You can easily injure yourself or others though most people think they can't hurt themselves. The kick-back is vicious on some models and shooting isn't a neat thing. Smoke, dust, and a misfired shell can take out your eye. Always wear goggles when practicing and you must go to an accredited range if your state regulates them. If not, definitely take Kim's advice and go to one owned by former law enforcement who are more likely to offer education classes and oversee the galleries.

I had forgotten why I loved Iris so much.

[YuheiCarreau]

Hey do you know of a site where I can look up Alabama gun laws? I tried Google, but all I got was a bunch of mumbo-jumbo and it didn't tell me nothing.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx#

[Hiroshi2]

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx#






QUICK REFERENCE CHART:

Rifles and Shotguns


Permit to Purchase

No

Registration of Firearms

No

Licensing of Owners

No

Permit to Carry -

No


Handguns


Permit to Purchase

No

Registration of Firearms

No

Licensing of Owners

No

Permit to Carry

Yes




How does Alabama's gun laws compare to other states? From what I understand, it's a lot more lenient -




STATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION

"That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state." Article 1, Section 26.



PURCHASE

It is unlawful to sell, give, lend or deliver a handgun to any person under 18, or to a person whom the seller has reasonable cause to believe has been convicted of a crime of violence, is a drug addict, a habitual drunkard, or of unsound mind.



POSSESSION

No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun, or handgun. It is unlawful for a drug addict, habitual drunkard, or one who has been convicted of a crime of violence to own or possess a handgun. Law enforcement authorities have advised that minors cannot carry or possess a handgun.

It is unlawful for any person to have in his possession, or on his person, or in any vehicle any firearm while participating in or attending any demonstration being held at a public place; or within 1,000 feet of a demonstration after being warned by a police officer.

It is unlawful to possess, sell, or use a short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun.



CARRYING

It is unlawful to carry a concealed pistol, firearm, or airgun without a permit. It is unlawful for a person to carry a pistol about his person on premises not his own or under his control. It is unlawful to carry a rifle or shotgun walking cane.

No person shall carry a pistol in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person, except on his land, in his own home or fixed place of business, without a license. Exempt from this prohibition are law enforcement officers, common carriers, and persons carrying unloaded handguns in a secure wrapper from a place of purchase to one`s home or business, or to or from a place of repair, or in moving from one home or business to another.

A qualified or unlimited license to carry a handgun in a vehicle or concealed on or about one`s person for not more than one year may be issued by a sheriff of the county where the applicant resides if it appears the applicant has good reason to fear injury to his person or property or has any other proper reason for carrying a handgun, and that "he is a suitable person" to be so licensed. The sheriff may revoke a license upon proof that the license holder is "not a proper person to be licensed." The fee for a license varies, depending on the county.

A person who is not a resident of Alabama and who is licensed to carry a handgun in any state whose laws recognize and give effect in that state to a license issued under the laws of Alabama shall be authorized to carry a handgun in Alabama. Such a person shall carry the handgun in compliance with the laws of Alabama.



ANTIQUES AND REPLICAS

Handguns possessed as curiosities or ornaments are exempt from the provisions on purchase, possession, or sale. Such handguns may be transported unloaded and in a bag, box, or securely wrapped package, but not concealed on the person. The same provisions apply to handguns, rifles, or shotguns made in or before 1898, or to blackpowder replicas not made to fire fixed ammunition.



MISCELLANEOUS

No county or municipal corporation or its political subdivision shall regulate in any manner gun shows, the possession, ownership, transport, carrying, transfer, sale, purchase, licensing, registration or use of firearms, ammunition, components of firearms, firearms dealers, or dealers in firearm components.

The authority to bring or settle any lawsuit in which the state has an exclusive interest or right to recover against any firearm or ammunition manufacturer, trade association, or dealer, and the authority to bring or settle any lawsuit on behalf of any governmental unit created by or pursuant to an act of the Legislature or the Constitution of Alabama of 1901, or any of its departments, agencies, or authorities, for damages, injunctive relief, or other equitable relief resulting from or relating to the design, manufacture, marketing, or lawful sale of firearms or ammunition, or both, shall be reserved exclusively to the Attorney General, by and with the consent of the Governor. This does not prohibit a county or municipal corporation from bringing an action against a firearms or ammunition manufacturer or dealer for breach of contract or warranty as to firearms or ammunition purchased by the political subdivision or local governmental authority.

Shooting ranges are, under many circumstances, protected form civil liability, criminal prosecution, or injunctions for noise or lead pollution.

It is unlawful to change or obliterate the name of the maker, model, manufacturer`s number, or other mark or identification of any firearm. It is unlawful to possess, sell or use such a firearm.

It is unlawful to make any loan secured by a mortgage, deposit, or pledge of a handgun.

It is unlawful to supply false information or evidence in purchasing or otherwise securing delivery of a pistol, or in applying for a license to carry a handgun.

It is unlawful to possess or sell brass or steel teflon-coated handgun ammunition, or any ammunition of like kind designed to penetrate bullet-proof vests. This prohibition does not apply to teflon-coated lead or brass ammunition designed to expand upon contact.

It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm within any wildlife management area without a "permit allowing this privilege."

It is a misdemeanor to hunt with a center-fire rifle, a shotgun using a slug or shot larger in diameter than standard four shot, or a .40 caliber or larger muzzle-loading rifle, within 50 yards of a public road, public highway, or railroad by anyone other than the landowner or his or her immediate family.

It is unlawful to discharge any firearm upon or across any public road, public highway or railroad.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

A mortgage of a handgun?? WTF? What, you're too poor to pay up front, so you get a 20-year loan with 10% down?

[Hiroshi2]

A mortgage of a handgun?? WTF? What, you're too poor to pay up front, so you get a 20-year loan with 10% down?




I thought the law said you can't use a handgun as mortgage or collateral.




It is unlawful to make any loan secured by a mortgage, deposit, or pledge of a handgun.

[Chu Chi]

I won't answer this question because like Clint Eastwood, I want the "punks" to wonder if they're "feeling lucky".

That "look on their face" is just an unintended consequence.

CC

[deez nuts]

I won't answer this question because like Clint Eastwood, I want the "punks" to wonder if they're "feeling lucky".

That "look on their face" is just an unintended consequence.

CC


that's slick. the element of surprise.

[kpih]

This is why I am against private ownership of firearms in contemporary America...

Toddler Shot By Brother, 4, Remains In Critical Condition
Police: Brother May Not Have Known Difference Between Toy, Real Gun

POSTED: 7:31 pm CST March 12, 2005
UPDATED: 8:06 am CST March 14, 2005

HOUSTON -- A 2-year-old remained in critical condition Sunday after being shot by his 4-year-old brother, who may not have known the difference between a real and toy gun, police said.

Mother May Face Charges In Son's Shooting

Police Sgt. Cameron Grysen said the boys had been arguing at their home in the 5600 block of Gatewood Ave. in southwest Houston at about 4:20 p.m. Saturday when the 2-year-old threw a toy at his brother.

Grysen said the older boy got the loaded gun from a purse in his mother's bedroom and shot his brother once in the temple. The mother thought the boys had returned to their room, but they had instead gone to her room, where the older boy took the loaded gun from her purse.

"He was coherent enough to tell us what happened and said he shot his brother, but to say there's a difference between a toy gun and that gun, he really doesn't understand that it wasn't a toy," Grysen said.

The toddler was being treated at Ben Taub Hospital.

The mother told police she had the .32-caliber automatic to protect her family because of recent neighborhood burglaries. She said Saturday was the one day that she did not secure the weapon.

Officials said the boy is too young to face criminal charges but the mother could be charged.

Child Protective Services spokeswoman Estella Olguin said CPS had never been called to the home before. The agency has placed the older boy with a grandparent.

Authorities said the 4-year-old didn't seem to understand what he had done.

"He's wondering where his brother is, and when his brother's coming back," Grysen said.

Copyright 2005 by Click2Houston.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[Hiroshi2]

That does nothing to prove your case. As long as other motherfuckers out there got guns, I want one. Period.


Now from what I understand, in countries like Japan, only the police have guns, and there's like NO black market shit going on over there whatsoever. But over here, no matter what laws you pass, folks over here will have guns. Reason enough for you, as a law-abiding person, to have one IMO. Don't get caught with your pants down, a lesson I learned early on.

[kpih]

That does nothing to prove your case. As long as other motherfuckers out there got guns, I want one. Period.

Point number 1: Accidental gun deaths can be prevented by the restriction of gun ownership.

Point number 2: According to a study conducted by two criminologists J. Wright and P. Rossi, the number one source for felons to acquire quality firearms is stolen handguns from licenced gun owners. (See Wright, J., and Peter Rossi, (1994)Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms , Aldine de Gruyter, NY) Civilian gun ownership ironically increases the circulation of illegal firearms in the black market.

Point number 3: As illustrated by iris, most civilians are not adequately trained to properly handle firearms under normal circumstances. Even well trained law enforcement officers have problems using their firearms in emergency situations. Untrained civilians are even less likely in successfully defending themselves during an emergency.

Point number 4: As I mentioned elsewhere, studies show the level of violence employed by assailants escalates when the victims use firearms.

To make our society safer we do not need more firearms. We need less firearms.

[Arex]

That does nothing to prove your case. As long as other motherfuckers out there got guns, I want one. Period.


Now from what I understand, in countries like Japan, only the police have guns, and there's like NO black market shit going on over there whatsoever. But over here, no matter what laws you pass, folks over here will have guns. Reason enough for you, as a law-abiding person, to have one IMO. Don't get caught with your pants down, a lesson I learned early on.That logic for keeping firearms is conveniently self-perpetuating. Because criminals have guns, you want to make sure guns are easily available so you can legally purchase them for protection. And it's precisely because guns are so easily available, legally, that the criminals have guns.

That logic ignores the fact that it's highly unlikely that you'll ever have occasion to defend yourself with a gun. Unless you have a permit to carry, the only time you'd have an occasion to use one in self defense is if someone is breaking into your home and that person is insane enough to do it while you're home. The odds against that are staggering (depending on where you live).

Make it harder to legally possess guns or make them illegal altogether, and increase the penalty for illegal gun possession, and it'll dry up the supply thereby making it harder for criminals to get their grubby paws on them. Obviously, you can't get rid of the black market entirely (unless, perhaps, you summarily executed anyone in possession of a gun), but you can make it a helluva lot smaller by eliminating the legal gun market. Yeah, some criminals will still try their luck and obtain guns illegally, but others won't. At some point, our country just needs to wisen up a bit and realize that legalized gun possession does not make our country any safer than it would be without legalized gun possession.

[rotrab]

If someone wants to kill you, they'll kill you no matter what you do.

[Yeahman]

If someone wants to kill you, they'll kill you no matter what you do.
You buy into that NRA BS?

I'm surprised so many people here own guns. I have never even touched a gun. They're near impossible to get legally in NYC anyway. But like most New Yorkers I know people who've been shot or have shot other people. I think the only way I would even purchase a gun is if I owned a store in a real bad neighborhood. Definately wouldn't have one in my house.

[Arex]

You buy into that NRA BS?Isn't that anti-NRA BS? I thought it was the NRA that liked to scare people into believing guns are needed for personal protection.

I tend to agree with rotrab--If someone really wants to kill you, it doesn't matter what kind of hand cannon or assault rifle you've got under your pillow or bed, they can still kill you.

I think the only way I would even purchase a gun is if I owned a store in a real bad neighborhood. Definately wouldn't have one in my house.Good man.

RX

[Banana]

The best excuse I ever got for someone buying an assault rifle was because he needed it to go hunting. Dude, if you need a rifle that shoots 150 rounds a minute to hunt, chances are, hunting isn't the sport for you.

[Hiroshi2]

That logic for keeping firearms is conveniently self-perpetuating. Because criminals have guns, you want to make sure guns are easily available so you can legally purchase them for protection. And it's precisely because guns are so easily available, legally, that the criminals have guns.



Man...............I"m telling you, just because something is illegal, does NOT make it hard to get, or even harder to get, look how easy it is to get a bag of weed..........



That logic ignores the fact that it's highly unlikely that you'll ever have occasion to defend yourself with a gun. Unless you have a permit to carry, the only time you'd have an occasion to use one in self defense is if someone is breaking into your home and that person is insane enough to do it while you're home. The odds against that are staggering (depending on where you live).



Considering the fact that many teenagers in my city carry pistols (and a few fools even have assault weapons) it's a safe bet to say that I wouldn't want to be walking around here w/o at least a pistol. I'd feel naked and vulnerable without it (a lot of times, since I don't have a gun, I'll roll with somebody that does).



I've known at least 8 people off the top of my head that have gotten shot in my lifetime, and I'm only 17 years old. I don't even live in a bad neighborhood. I'm not in a gang, either (although many of my friends are).



Make it harder to legally possess guns or make them illegal altogether, and increase the penalty for illegal gun possession, and it'll dry up the supply thereby making it harder for criminals to get their grubby paws on them. Obviously, you can't get rid of the black market entirely (unless, perhaps, you summarily executed anyone in possession of a gun), but you can make it a helluva lot smaller by eliminating the legal gun market. Yeah, some criminals will still try their luck and obtain guns illegally, but others won't. At some point, our country just needs to wisen up a bit and realize that legalized gun possession does not make our country any safer than it would be without legalized gun possession.




I simply refuse to believe that gun laws can do anything about the gun issue, you can't just un-invent guns, there here to stay, like cars. Only recently were assault weapons officially made legal again in the U.S. You wouldn't have known it though, judging by how many people on the street had them.


Bottom line - be prepared (like boy scouts). Don't be caught off guard.

[Yeahman]

Isn't that anti-NRA BS?
"Guns don't kill people. People kill people." is NRA propoganda.
It is true to an extent but as Eddie Izzard said "I think the guns help."

Man...............I"m telling you, just because something is illegal, does NOT make it hard to get, or even harder to get, look how easy it is to get a bag of weed..........
That's because enforcement is so lenient. Have a 15 year mandatory sentence for possesion of marijuana and I guarantee that it'll be a lot hard to get.

[Hiroshi2]

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people." is NRA propoganda.
It is true to an extent but as Eddie Izzard said "I think the guns help."


That's because enforcement is so lenient. Have a 15 year mandatory sentence for possesion of marijuana and I guarantee that it'll be a lot hard to get.




What are the sentences for smack, blow, Ex, angel dust, crystal meth, etc., the real drugs. Those drugs are pretty easy to get too. And I know you can do real time for selling hard drugs.



Besides that, I've seen people do years in prison for selling a bunch of weed (yes, weed). Like, these folks were kingpins, but weed kingpins. Not crack kings, no scarface/tony montana shit. It's just that they got caught with bout 5 bricks of dro in the trunk, and bam! 5 years in prison. Matter of fact, my daddy had jury duty for this man who had 12 ounces of weed on him, and the judge actually gave him one year in prison for every ounce. 12 years in the state pen for WEED?



Maybe the po-lice ain't so lenient when it comes to marijuana laws.

[Meki]

The only weapon I own is a big aluminum bat... I keep it in my room... If anyone is going to come into my house then I think I would have a better chance grabbing my bat then anyone who has to unlock a box or cabinet to get out their gun. Growing up in TX everyone and their mother had a gun. I mean for Pete’s sake there was a gun rack built into the house that I grew up in. Even though I saw a lot of gun related violence in the news, I also saw a fair share of accidental gun related deaths. I’ve seen too many people in TX that shouldn’t own guns that do... I think this is the case for a lot of people who own guns. We definitely need fewer guns, not more...

[Hiroshi2]

The only weapon I own is a big aluminum bat... I keep it in my room... If anyone is going to come into my house then I think I would have a better chance grabbing my bat then anyone who has to unlock a box or cabinet to get out their gun. Growing up in TX everyone and their mother had a gun. I mean for Pete’s sake there was a gun rack built into the house that I grew up in. Even though I saw a lot of gun related violence in the news, I also saw a fair share of accidental gun related deaths. I’ve seen too many people in TX that shouldn’t own guns that do... I think this is the case for a lot of people who own guns. We definitely need fewer guns, not more...






Lot of guns here in Alabama too, we're not exactly a liberal state.



I agree that a lot of people who shouldn't own guns do, but like I keep saying, that's why YOU should have one. Who says you should keep it in a lockbox, etc. Everybody I know who owns a pistol keeps it locked and loaded under the pillow at night. If there's kids in the house, they either hide it somewhere out of reach, although sometimes kids find guns and shoot others with it (when I was 8, this kid on my block stole his brother's gun and accidentally shot his sister with it, he was the same age as me..................I think I mentioned it on here a week or two ago, but that same dude now has one leg cause he got shot with an Ak-47 at the club, and that happened a couple of months ago).




Still though...............I'd keep one. There's too many people out there with guns for you not to have one. You can't just un-do guns, people'll still have them no matter what, so stay strapped and protect yourself. I'm glad Thomas Jefferson and all those old white men who wrote the Constitution got *something* right and amended it to include the right to own a gun.

[tvbdude]

fuck, 12 years for 12 ounces of weed? if I really have to go to prison for 12 years, I'll shoot my way out like brian nichols

[nola]

That's how it is in the South.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Well?



Let me just say this - I found out recently that Japan actually produces quite a few guns (I actually saw Japanese writing on a Desert Eagle once). I think that's really ironic considering the fact that nobody in Japan has a gone and people rarely if ever get shot over there.


Anyway, back to the question. Do you exercise your 2nd Amendment right?

Yes!!!!!!!

[kimpossible]

The only weapon I own is a big aluminum bat... I keep it in my room...

Meki +1 cooler.

[mrazntre]

That logic for keeping firearms is conveniently self-perpetuating. Because criminals have guns, you want to make sure guns are easily available so you can legally purchase them for protection. And it's precisely because guns are so easily available, legally, that the criminals have guns.

That logic ignores the fact that it's highly unlikely that you'll ever have occasion to defend yourself with a gun. Unless you have a permit to carry, the only time you'd have an occasion to use one in self defense is if someone is breaking into your home and that person is insane enough to do it while you're home. The odds against that are staggering (depending on where you live).

Make it harder to legally possess guns or make them illegal altogether, and increase the penalty for illegal gun possession, and it'll dry up the supply thereby making it harder for criminals to get their grubby paws on them. Obviously, you can't get rid of the black market entirely (unless, perhaps, you summarily executed anyone in possession of a gun), but you can make it a helluva lot smaller by eliminating the legal gun market. Yeah, some criminals will still try their luck and obtain guns illegally, but others won't. At some point, our country just needs to wisen up a bit and realize that legalized gun possession does not make our country any safer than it would be without legalized gun possession.

Guns are too historically important to US history to be rid of completely. There's a lot of sentiment behind that whether or not the arguments are rational or even apply today. Big businesses are a huge part of the reason why guns are legal over here. Those crazy Brits outlawed guns (IIRC), but they're still a problem over there. Besides, I could kill a whole shitload of people in my car if I really wanted to (like that old guy that ran his car through the Santa Monica Farmer's Market). Maybe we should outlaw criminals from driving? But cars would still be available, so then we'd have to get rid of all cars. But what about golf clubs and bats? those can be used as weapons too. This issue is way to complicated to properly address.

[Meki]

Meki +1 cooler.

So how does one proceed to earn more cool points? If I have actually used the bat does that make me even cooler? :biggrin:

[Arex]

Guns are too historically important to US history to be rid of completely. There's a lot of sentiment behind that whether or not the arguments are rational or even apply today. Big businesses are a huge part of the reason why guns are legal over here. Those crazy Brits outlawed guns (IIRC), but they're still a problem over there. Besides, I could kill a whole shitload of people in my car if I really wanted to (like that old guy that ran his car through the Santa Monica Farmer's Market). Maybe we should outlaw criminals from driving? But cars would still be available, so then we'd have to get rid of all cars. But what about golf clubs and bats? those can be used as weapons too. This issue is way to complicated to properly address.The difference between cars and guns is that cars are, unfortunately, necessary for the economy to work. People use their cars on a daily basis to commute to their jobs, to purchase food, to attract women, etc. The cost to society due to some senile bastard driving his car through a crowded farmers market every few years is probably negligible compared to the benefits that cars bring.

On the other hand, I assume 90% of the people who own guns never use them, whether for self defense, for target practice, or for hunting. And the people who actually use guns the most, besides cops, are probably the very people we don't want to have guns at all. Yes, getting rid of guns will not completely solve the gun problem in this country. However, it will significantly reduce it. But just because a fix isn't perfect doesn't mean that it's not worth at least exploring.

RX

[Hiroshi2]

The difference between cars and guns is that cars are, unfortunately, necessary for the economy to work. People use their cars on a daily basis to commute to their jobs, to purchase food, to attract women, etc. The cost to society due to some senile bastard driving his car through a crowded farmers market every few years is probably negligible compared to the benefits that cars bring.

On the other hand, I assume 90% of the people who own guns never use them, whether for self defense, for target practice, or for hunting. And the people who actually use guns the most, besides cops, are probably the very people we don't want to have guns at all. Yes, getting rid of guns will not completely solve the gun problem in this country. However, it will significantly reduce it. But just because a fix isn't perfect doesn't mean that it's not worth at least exploring.

RX





Once again I say, getting rid of something by law doesn't mean it won't be out there, easily within reach.



Most places in Alabama are dry counties. But if you go out to the country, out to the dry areas, I guarantee you alcohol is easy to get, probably even easier to get for somebody underage like me who ordinarily would have to have proper ID for alcohol, simply because since it's illegal for everyone it's easy for a teenager to get a hold of.


The point is - you really have to understand why people shoot at each other in the first place. A lot of gun deaths are drug and gang-related. So solve that problem. Fix the schools, try to find a way to keep families together, provide jobs in impoverished inner-city areas, etc. That's the only real solution to the gun problem IMO. Now is that easier said than done? Of course...................but that's pretty much what needs to be done.

[mrazntre]

The difference between cars and guns is that cars are, unfortunately, necessary for the economy to work. People use their cars on a daily basis to commute to their jobs, to purchase food, to attract women, etc. The cost to society due to some senile bastard driving his car through a crowded farmers market every few years is probably negligible compared to the benefits that cars bring.

On the other hand, I assume 90% of the people who own guns never use them, whether for self defense, for target practice, or for hunting. And the people who actually use guns the most, besides cops, are probably the very people we don't want to have guns at all. Yes, getting rid of guns will not completely solve the gun problem in this country. However, it will significantly reduce it. But just because a fix isn't perfect doesn't mean that it's not worth at least exploring.

RX

Necessary only in certain parts of the country. And because of the manner that Los Angeles was originally developed (with the help of two guys with the names, Ford and Firestone), we're quite unique in that we HAVE to have cars to commute to work. Most other cities have been properly setup in the downtown model and have acceptable forms of public transportation.

I don't know if that 90% is accurate because the people that I know that own guns are fanatics and they go out into the desert or woods and pop it off at least once a month. But I still don't see how making guns illegal in the US will bring significant change because criminals obtain guns on the black market. We've outlawed many other things, such as drugs, but it still falls through the cracks and is widely available. We can say the same for alcohol, but people will just find a way, like during prohibition for example.

Guns are big business, just like oil, so don't expect to get any response from Congress - other than them turning the other way.

[Arex]

I think you guys're both missing the point that, even though making guns illegal will not completely solve the gun problem, it will have an appreciable effect on the number of guns out there and, as a result, have a positive effect on the number of gun related deaths and injuries. That is undeniable.

Since people like to fall back on the drug example, if you think drugs are readily available now, imagine how many more people would be selling/using them if they were completely legalized. Another example: if you think drunk driving fatalities are a problem now, imagine how much more of a problem they would be if driving under the influence was no longer illegal.

Yes, certain people still drive drunk and certain people still sell/use drugs. And yes, if guns were made illegal, certain people would still seek them out illegally. But I think it's safe to say that not everyone who would possess guns today, whether legally or illegally, under the current laws, would necessarily possess them if they were made completely illegal and the penalty for illegal possession was increased.

Believe it or not, making certain things illegal does actually have some amount of a deterrent effect on the activity. For example, how often do you find yourself cruising down the highway going 120+ mph, even when the road's relatively empty and you know it's reasonably safe to do so? Probably pretty sparingly since you know if a CHP officer happens to see you going that fast, you can kiss your license (and your good driver's discount) good bye.

And remember that not all gun related injuries and fatalities are caused by people who possessed the guns illegally. Given that, it's an easy case to make that any decrease in the number of guns in the possession of the general public will result in fewer gun related deaths and injuries. Why is that not viewed as a good thing?

[mrazntre]

I think you guys're both missing the point that, even though making guns illegal will not completely solve the gun problem, it will have an appreciable effect on the number of guns out there and, as a result, have a positive effect on the number of gun related deaths and injuries. That is undeniable.

Since people like to fall back on the drug example, if you think drugs are readily available now, imagine how many more people would be selling/using them if they were completely legalized. Another example: if you think drunk driving fatalities are a problem now, imagine how much more of a problem they would be if driving under the influence was no longer illegal.

Yes, certain people still drive drunk and certain people still sell/use drugs. And yes, if guns were made illegal, certain people would still seek them out illegally. But I think it's safe to say that not everyone who would possess guns today, whether legally or illegally, under the current laws, would necessarily possess them if they were made completely illegal and the penalty for illegal possession was increased.

Believe it or not, making certain things illegal does actually have some amount of a deterrent effect on the activity. For example, how often do you find yourself cruising down the highway going 120+ mph, even when the road's relatively empty and you know it's reasonably safe to do so? Probably pretty sparingly since you know if a CHP officer happens to see you going that fast, you can kiss your license (and your good driver's discount) good bye.

And remember that not all gun related injuries and fatalities are caused by people who possessed the guns illegally. Given that, it's an easy case to make that any decrease in the number of guns in the possession of the general public will result in fewer gun related deaths and injuries. Why is that not viewed as a good thing?

No, I do get your point, but the amount of decrease is what I'm going after. The understanding is that the limitation or outright riddance of all guns will lower the instances of gun related injury. However, the supply in the hands of the public legal or otherwise is not in jeopardy by the wholesale outlawing of guns. Perhaps all of the licensed guns can be confiscated, but like I've stated before, criminals don't buy licensed guns. On top of that, most guns owned by criminals are "recycled" --

--hold thought--

We're talking about two different aspects of gun control. I think you're arguing gun control based on gun-related accidents in the home (ie. Bob and Jane's 4 yr old son finds Bob's Ruger behind the sink and plays soldier with his 3 yr old brother). IIRC, gun related injuries in the home are due to misplacement, misuse and accidents. Okay. On that point I do agree that less "good standing citizens" will have guns, which will reduce gun related injuries.

But it's not going to stop drive-bys.

And you're missing my biggest point, which is guns are big business supported by politicians and the government. Gun ownership is mired in the laws of the US constitution, which by the forefathers was made to be substantive.

I don't think that gun control laws in general need to be regulated, it's the manufacturer's that need to be regulated. We're all familiar with saturday night specials and other cheaply made guns that are associated with the Ring of Fire - all of these companies are connected by family and friends.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/nation/guns/part2/gunsring.html

Stricter US regulated quality control might raise the cost of guns in order to make it prohibitive for just any one to buy. That would relate into at least another form of gun control that will still be able to satisfy the above and aforementioned constraints.

[kimpossible]

So how does one proceed to earn more cool points? If I have actually used the bat does that make me even cooler? :biggrin:

Yeah it goes along with the mental image I had of you with the aluminum bat. It went something along the lines of you getting a good wind up and home run swing on a guy breaking into your house that thought a nice little Korean girl would make an easy target.

And then you standing over the body bloody and broken at weird angles, shouting "WHAT NOW?!?!? HUH? HUH?"

guy (crawling and groaning): "unnhh..*gurgle"

Meki (pulling the guy's head up by his hair): "What's that I can't HEAR YOU. Oh, you want SOME MORE? That's good cuz I got some more to give!"

Maybe interchange the bat swings with a few kicks to his ribs, chin and nuts for variety.

addendum: And the kicks were to be delivered by Meki's dainty slippered feet. Isotoner ballerina slippers in white to be exact. Better for the blood to show up in contrast.

End scene. It didn't feel right until I put that detail in.

[Meki]

Yeah it goes along with the mental image I had of you with the aluminum bat. It went something along the lines of you getting a good wind up and home run swing on a guy breaking into your house that thought a nice little Korean girl would make an easy target.

And then you standing over the body bloody and broken at weird angles, shouting "WHAT NOW?!?!? HUH? HUH?"

guy (crawling and groaning): "unnhh..*gurgle"

Meki (pulling the guy's head up by his hair): "What's that I can't HEAR YOU. Oh, you want SOME MORE? That's good cuz I got some more to give!"

Maybe interchange the bat swings with a few kicks to his ribs, chin and nuts for variety.



Haha! Kim you give great visuals... If this were a movie I would go watch it... hehehe too funny... :biggrin:

Oh btw, I actually envisioned myself doing a shoulder jerk and hand gestures all gansta style while saying those phrases... HAHAHA just too funny!! :biggrin:

[Leinad]

yeah i've got arms.

[LaiSteve66]

I don't have a gun but my cousins are strapped up the ass.

2 ak's, a 12 gauge shotgun, a tech-9,a 9mm beretta, a colt-45, a .22 pistol (saturday night special), a glock .40, and a .357 magmun.

[Flow to Live]

Yeah i got arms too, but it kinda hurts cause i fell on it yesterday

[Hiroshi2]

Yeah it goes along with the mental image I had of you with the aluminum bat. It went something along the lines of you getting a good wind up and home run swing on a guy breaking into your house that thought a nice little Korean girl would make an easy target.

And then you standing over the body bloody and broken at weird angles, shouting "WHAT NOW?!?!? HUH? HUH?"

guy (crawling and groaning): "unnhh..*gurgle"

Meki (pulling the guy's head up by his hair): "What's that I can't HEAR YOU. Oh, you want SOME MORE? That's good cuz I got some more to give!"

Maybe interchange the bat swings with a few kicks to his ribs, chin and nuts for variety.



One time I saw a dude get beat to sleep (literally) with a 8 ball in a fuckin sock. Now that'll fuck somebody up.

[DragonKnight]

One time I saw a dude get beat to sleep (literally) with a 8 ball in a fuckin sock. Now that'll fuck somebody up.
What's funny is when the person using the 8 ball / sock combo smacks themself in the face with it. :biggrin:

And no, I don't have a gun. Going to target practice with my best friend when I was 14 taught me that having that much power to injure, maim, or kill requires great responsibility and skill. At this time, I have no need for such a weapon.

[Azn Retribution]

Walther PPK/S (German Manufactured)

Trying to save some money to somehow get a FN P90.
but it'll be unlicensed and illegal.

I practice at the shooting range and I'm pretty accurate.

also carry a SWAT-issue Tactical ASP in my car (aka Rodney King beating stick)
a kobuten on my keys
and there's also usually an extra pair of escrima sticks in both my cars.

Reason for this ordinance is i've nearly been jumped before, been shot at before
and nearly been mugged before.

8-ball and sock combo is like a flail. if you can use nunchaku you can use it pretty well without hitting your self.

God help the next person who tries to mug me.

[Arex]

I don't have a gun but my cousins are strapped up the ass.

2 ak's, a 12 gauge shotgun, a tech-9,a 9mm beretta, a colt-45, a .22 pistol (saturday night special), a glock .40, and a .357 magmun.That's a lot of guns to be carrying up the ass. Especially the shotgun. How's it all fit? :biggrin:

RX

[Flow to Live]

^^^trench coat?

[Super Doctor]

I carry a USP 45 to school (Vanderbilt) everyday.....
Hey, Nashville, TN is a bad place...
I would rather be judged by 12 than be carried by 6....

[Super Doctor]

Walther PPK/S (German Manufactured)

Trying to save some money to somehow get a FN P90.
but it'll be unlicensed and illegal.

I .

Here's the legal way
FN P90 are not illegal.
Get a class 3 license ($500.00 a year) and buy a post sample FN P90 for police demo. You can buy post sample M60 and M249(saW).

[Azn Retribution]

oo hmm was not aware of that. thanks for the tip.

[Azn Retribution]

I think you guys're both missing the point that, even though making guns illegal will not completely solve the gun problem, it will have an appreciable effect on the number of guns out there and, as a result, have a positive effect on the number of gun related deaths and injuries. That is undeniable.

Since people like to fall back on the drug example, if you think drugs are readily available now, imagine how many more people would be selling/using them if they were completely legalized. Another example: if you think drunk driving fatalities are a problem now, imagine how much more of a problem they would be if driving under the influence was no longer illegal.

Yes, certain people still drive drunk and certain people still sell/use drugs. And yes, if guns were made illegal, certain people would still seek them out illegally. But I think it's safe to say that not everyone who would possess guns today, whether legally or illegally, under the current laws, would necessarily possess them if they were made completely illegal and the penalty for illegal possession was increased.

Believe it or not, making certain things illegal does actually have some amount of a deterrent effect on the activity. For example, how often do you find yourself cruising down the highway going 120+ mph, even when the road's relatively empty and you know it's reasonably safe to do so? Probably pretty sparingly since you know if a CHP officer happens to see you going that fast, you can kiss your license (and your good driver's discount) good bye.

And remember that not all gun related injuries and fatalities are caused by people who possessed the guns illegally. Given that, it's an easy case to make that any decrease in the number of guns in the possession of the general public will result in fewer gun related deaths and injuries. Why is that not viewed as a good thing?


You are forgetting the right to bear arms being part of the checks and balance system.

Anytime the government attempts to take away, illegalize arms (see European history) it usually hasn't signalled great things in the way of personal freedoms and liberties.

and your entire argument includes many fallacious arguments.
a non-sequitur, lacks evidence/context. etc
You make assertions but fail to provide evidence. you just reach a conclusion that it is "undeniable" of which it is most certainly not.

without context of what numbers you are referring to, we don't know shit.
are you like michael moore and including gun deaths by law enforcement,
in self defense or what not? We don't know.

The whole if guns are outlawed, than only outlaws will have guns mantra is true.

They will have that much more incentive to use them knowing that there
is likely to be less retaliation and having a gun will be considered severe by
the general defenseless public.

History has taught us that where there is demand, supply will spring up to sate it.
There will always be a market for weapons
remember alcohol being illegalized and the rise of the mob/mafia?
Yeah, you'll only be giving groups like that more fuel for the fire.

[VV o n g B a]

i was robbed at gunpoint yesterday in my car and i'm thinking of keeping a gun in my glove compartment. i'm not sure how much it would have helped b/c i don't know if the thugs would have let me reach for the glove compartment, but i could have chased the fuckers w/ something afterwards. i so would have shot those motherfuckers in the head. i gotta change my bank account numbers now b/c i had them all in my wallet. they have my social security number too. goddamn shit.

don't be an idiot like me... lock ur car doors after u get in boys and girls.

[kimpossible]

Oh my god, Dean - I'm just glad you're in one piece.

I hope they get caught. Or get dead the next time.

[mrazntre]

You are forgetting the right to bear arms being part of the checks and balance system.

Anytime the government attempts to take away, illegalize arms (see European history) it usually hasn't signalled great things in the way of personal freedoms and liberties.

and your entire argument includes many fallacious arguments.
a non-sequitur, lacks evidence/context. etc
You make assertions but fail to provide evidence. you just reach a conclusion that it is "undeniable" of which it is most certainly not.

without context of what numbers you are referring to, we don't know shit.
are you like michael moore and including gun deaths by law enforcement,
in self defense or what not? We don't know.

The whole if guns are outlawed, than only outlaws will have guns mantra is true.

They will have that much more incentive to use them knowing that there
is likely to be less retaliation and having a gun will be considered severe by
the general defenseless public.

History has taught us that where there is demand, supply will spring up to sate it.
There will always be a market for weapons
remember alcohol being illegalized and the rise of the mob/mafia?
Yeah, you'll only be giving groups like that more fuel for the fire.

2nd Amendment:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The right of the people to bear arms is not enough it is within the context of a well trained/regulated militia, which greatly differentiates the wholesale permittal of the right to own guns in the U.S. As history teaches us various lessons, history must taken into context when referring to such. This was during the Revolution, when the English army was running rampant in the colonies and terrorizing the colonists. There was a general distrust of a normal standing army such as the redcoats and the minutemen were effectively used to gain Independence. This was the prevailing thought of the time, but it's changed because we do have a standing army (and the draft has been destroyed).

As long as you own a gun and are ready to go to war when the man comes calling, that's fine with me. Otherwise, it's what I like to call bullshit.

[Arex]

VV o n g B a - Oh shit! Glad you made it through unharmed. I'm sure some day those idiots will try to rob the wrong person and end up dead and/or arrested.

[Chad]

There are situations where you just can't do anything to keep from getting robbed if they get the drop on you. I got robbed at knife-point a few years ago. The guy only grabbed the change that was in my drink holder! He had a steak knife.. he jumped into my passenger seat but still had one leg on the ground outside of the car. I hit the gas in reverse and I guess it scared him because he got out.
I still have a .357 short barrel (for concealment) but don't carry it around anymore. I would like to trade it in for something smaller like maybe a .380 auto because i think .357 is a bit excessive and not really necessary.

[VV o n g B a]

yeah thx for the concern guys. now that i've had time to think about things, i could have done several things differently.

1. park in brighter area closer to store entrance. i got tired of getting my car scratched up all the time so i parked w/ one side to a curb in a spot far away from the entrance to the store where the lights were dimmer. but scratches are slightly less traumatizing, even tho they prolly cost me more money to fix than getting my wallet stolen.

2. lock door after entering car. if they weren't able to open my door, i could have slammed on the gas and swept my car into them as i was backing out b/c i was already in gear.

3. rammed them as they were running away. they ran back behind my car when they ran, so i could have rammed one or both of them. then i could have rolled my car over their broken bodies a couple times and laughed. as it was, this was the only option i had any control over at the time, but i didn't think to do it b/c my first instinct was to call the police from my cell.

i kinda wonder if another reason they picked me was b/c i'm asian and they expected me not to do anything. i really wanna do some damage if i ever have another chance. omg, i'm so fucking pissed right now.

[pikachupacabra]

^I'm sorry to hear that dude, that really sucks! It's just rough...a lot of it is attitude and demeanor. Most crimes like that aren't entirely random; they most likely had a few options and decided you were one of the best based on your look. Perhaps being asian did have a lot to do with it, but criminals also tend to go after people who look distracted, scared, or manipulatable. :( Boooooo!!

[kimpossible]

It was dark and he was alone, they were the aggressors and they were armed. I think VVongba did the best thing under the circumstances. He's alive.

[Chester]

i was robbed at gunpoint yesterday in my car and i'm thinking of keeping a gun in my glove compartment. i'm not sure how much it would have helped b/c i don't know if the thugs would have let me reach for the glove compartment, but i could have chased the fuckers w/ something afterwards. i so would have shot those motherfuckers in the head.Then it's actually a good thing that you didn't have a gun in your car.

Good luck with changing all your personal digits.

[eos]

and DON'T put all your account numbers, personal information in your wallet!!!!

[robotic]

none of my immediate family has ever owned/used a gun, but my grandfather, a former colonel, would keep a rifle in his closet. he had used it once; when a driver was forced at gunpoint to stand infront of our gate until the robbers were allowed inside. he went to the roof, loaded it and shot at the sky.

in karachi, there was a point in the 1990s when crime was at its highest, with daily reportings of robberies, murder or kidnappings - often at gunpoint. one man resisted giving his motorcycle and was shot ;_;

[kpih]

i was robbed at gunpoint yesterday in my car and i'm thinking of keeping a gun in my glove compartment.

Glad you are okay.

Again, unless the individual receives adequate training and practice, keeping a firearm does not help at all. In real life scenarios people frequently people are way too tense to react...

Even highly trained police officers often fail to react, so untrained civilians have an even lesser chance...