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Filiprish
02-24-2005, 08:28 AM
Interesting...
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Asian standards of beauty different, but not so foreign
By Monica Loveley
Flat Hat Staff Columnist
As I disembarked my United Airlines flight into Hong Kong last March, I breathed a sigh of relief at the sight of two women greeting the new arrivals. At 5'1", 103 lbs and Asian myself, I am generally regarded as thin in the United States. Having been warned, however, that women in Asia were overall much thinner, the two chubby young greeters immediately put me at ease. I was still thin.
After that point, however, I had no other such moment. Besides being told by my American travel companion, Jared, who had been living in Taiwan for the past year, that Asian women would think I was fat, every time I walked into a clothing store I was handed a large size. The completely foreign Asian standard of beauty for women hit me like a slap in the face (probably making my oversized jowls wobble in the process).
The figure standard is one of extreme thinness. This standard causes a type of near-obsession, especially among women of the urban and upper classes. One woman said that she loved being pregnant because then she could eat anything. In a culture that discourages childbirth, however, hips that look like they could actually birth babies are looked down upon.
Another well-noted beauty phenomenon is the idealization of white skin. In China, skin whiteners are the best selling beauty product; in a store where I had trouble finding conditioner I found aisles devoted solely to skin whitening products. Though this obsession is often compared to women's desire to be tan in the United States, the fact is that tanning is a natural reaction to sun exposure, while white skin on naturally tan Asians is a result of chemicals.
All actresses and singers have incredibly bleached, unrealistically white faces. Aimee, one of the most popular pop singers in China, is reputed to not only bleach her skin but also to have had several surgeries to appear more western. Part of this stems from a desire to emulate Americans. Jared, with his blue eyes, blonde hair, and tall stature, if not exactly Abercrombie model material, certainly found no shortage of dating prospects. In ex-patriot heavy Hong Kong, every beautiful Asian woman I saw was with a mediocre white man. This struck me as something of a cultural repudiation.
The two most common things I was told concerning my looks were that I looked like I was 17 (when I am actually 20) and that I was beautiful, the latter occurring about three times a day.
These comments really took me aback, partially because I was habitually clad in the same pair of muddied jeans, sneakers and a T-shirt, and because here in the United States, as much as my friends may love me, I am willing to bet that the first word they use when describing me to strangers is not "beautiful." How then was I to resolve these two perspectives?
First of all, I was told a couple of times that my eyes were very large. This is not something I am told in the United States, but the fact that I actually have eyelids (a western attribute) is unusual among Asians. Secondly, after having endured a long Michigan winter, my skin was relatively white. Finally, I have not engaged in the same kind of prolonged agricultural based lifestyle, and thus my body has aged in a gentler fashion.
Adding to the schism of perspectives, here in America I do not fit the typical standard of beauty, the paramount criteria being that one must look "American" (i.e. Caucasian).
Here, friends call my freckles "cute." In Asia, it would be an insult to even bring attention to freckles, which are seen as a flaw.
Though these ideals are nourished by exposure to Occidental culture, one cannot say that these ideas are solely a product of this exposure. The dual idealization of thinness and whiteness has much deeper cultural roots. If they are problematic, they are no more so than the beauty ideals that exist in American culture today.
Monica Loveley is a staff columnist for The Flat Hat. She is currently is a senior at the College.
i don't think having double eyelids is that unusual among asians.
AliBabaIncorporated
02-24-2005, 08:50 AM
In ex-patriot heavy Hong Kong, every beautiful Asian woman I saw was with a mediocre white man. This struck me as something of a cultural repudiation.
Funny, this struck me as meaning you should have spent less time in Lan Kwai Fong, Wan Chai, and the Airport Express station. Also, did you really go halfway around the world to spend all your time checking out white guys who are already attached?
but the fact that I actually have eyelids (a western attribute) is unusual among Asians
Asians haven't got eyelids? Ah, now I know why people are so worried about dust storms in Beijing.
All in all, it's good to see Asian-Americans can engage in drive-by journalism about HK just as ignorant as that of white people. We live in a great age of equality!
SunWuKong
02-24-2005, 09:33 AM
Funny, this struck me as meaning you should have spent less time in Lan Kwai Fong, Wan Chai, and the Airport Express station. Also, did you really go halfway around the world to spend all your time checking out white guys who are already attached?
Asians haven't got eyelids? Ah, now I know why people are so worried about dust storms in Beijing.
All in all, it's good to see Asian-Americans can engage in drive-by journalism about HK just as ignorant as that of white people. We live in a great age of equality!
no shit. i'm tired of Asian Americans implying all kinds of bullshit about how people in Asia want to be white or look white. people in Asia generally do not have the stigma of being a minority (except for those who are ethnic minorities), and they are not measured against a white standard.
and i couldn't have said it better myself, about spending less time in Lan Kwai Fong.
yoMAMA
02-24-2005, 09:35 AM
pretty ignorant article...so she spent a few days in asia.....
now she's instantly an expert on asian beauty standards? [which predates western arrival for thousands of years].
give me a freaking break.
SunWuKong
02-24-2005, 09:42 AM
All actresses and singers have incredibly bleached, unrealistically white faces. Aimee, one of the most popular pop singers in China, is reputed to not only bleach her skin but also to have had several surgeries to appear more western. Part of this stems from a desire to emulate Americans.
did it ever occur to the author that light and smooth skin has always been a part of Chinese beauty standard? i say "light" skin instead of white skin because if your skin is the colour white, then you'd look like a Chinese ghost.
Jared, with his blue eyes, blonde hair, and tall stature, if not exactly Abercrombie model material, certainly found no shortage of dating prospects. In ex-patriot heavy Hong Kong, every beautiful Asian woman I saw was with a mediocre white man. This struck me as something of a cultural repudiation.
really??? it just strikes me as there not being nearly enough western women as there are western men in HK. that and the exotification of white men and women in HK.
Finally, I have not engaged in the same kind of prolonged agricultural based lifestyle
WTF?
rotrab
02-24-2005, 10:12 AM
This article is likely phony. I don't believe it was written by anyone Asian or anyone who has actually been to Hong Kong or a woman for that matter. You would think a real magazine article would be edited and proofread against stupid gaffes like calling an "expatriate" and "ex-patriot." May sound small to you, but I write for a living and get edited and proofread on a constant basis and things like that do not go to print. For me, it stands out like white man in Hong Kong (btw, I work with a lovely young Chinese lady who emigrated from HK and she told me that she did not associate with whites there as was typical of most Chinese in HK).
A pox on this shameless white glorification crap.
SunWuKong
02-24-2005, 10:27 AM
This article is likely phony. I don't believe it was written by anyone Asian or anyone who has actually been to Hong Kong or a woman for that matter. You would think a real magazine article would be edited and proofread against stupid gaffes like calling an "expatriate" and "ex-patriot." May sound small to you, but I write for a living and get edited and proofread on a constant basis and things like that do not go to print. For me, it stands out like white man in Hong Kong (btw, I work with a lovely young Chinese lady who emigrated from HK and she told me that she did not associate with whites there as was typical of most Chinese in HK).
A pox on this shameless white glorification crap.
well it's a student paper, so maybe they're not as careful on editing and proofreading.
but as for the point of view of the author, this isn't exactly the first time i've read of some Asian American trying to explain the behaviours and standards of people in Asia through what they know of race relations in the US.
Filiprish
02-24-2005, 10:29 AM
Sorry, forgot to post a link.
http://flathat.wm.edu/story.php?issue=2005-02-18&type=2&aid=4
AliBabaIncorporated
02-24-2005, 10:57 AM
Well, on the other hand, you can't exactly blame her for her misconceptions. There's basically two parallel lifestyles and societies in HK, the expat and the local one. And when foreigners ask HKers about how to get oriented in HK, plenty of HKers themselves will give the foreigners the answers about how to get oriented to the expat society, cuz they think that's what foreigners want to hear. E.g. where to go, what people do on the weekends, etc. She saw the heavily expat side of HK, picked out a few westernized surface elements of the local HK, and got her impression from there. It would be hard for her to dig any deeper.
For example, let's say a tourist wanted to see how the average HK person really lived. The HK people probably wouldn't give him a straight answer, cuz they think he wouldn't want to see and wouldn't be worth it for him to see. Part of this is that HKers seem reluctant to spread their culture to foreigners and make them assimilate into it. But another part of that is that they'd be right, a tourist wouldn't want to see this stuff, it's all giant housing estates connected to indoor shopping centres. The tourist would probably think of this as being a distinctly "non-Chinese" mode of living and be disappointed he came halfway around the world to see it. Despite the fact that this mode of living doesn't really exist anywhere else in the world and taken as a whole it is very representative of HK, the parts that make it up (apartment blocks, cars, shops, etc) look roughly like they do in the US, so they're not worth seeing for the tourist. The tourist generally wants to see some lively places with street life, some traditional temples, eat some local food, and the like.
Well, I'm just rambling cuz it's 3 in the morning, but anyway ...
Napoleon Chynamite
02-24-2005, 11:00 AM
no shit. i'm tired of Asian Americans implying all kinds of bullshit about how people in Asia want to be white or look white. people in Asia generally do not have the stigma of being a minority (except for those who are ethnic minorities), and they are not measured against a white standard.
and i couldn't have said it better myself, about spending less time in Lan Kwai Fong.
Well I guess I can't speak for Hong Kong alone, but many of the Asian girls from Asia that I've talked to DO often say that they feel white girls are prettier. Does this insinuate that they themselves want to look white or be white? I dunno, but it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that this is the case. Perhaps this is more common among Japanese and Korean women than Chinese women? Anyways, it's not like I WANT to imply that Asian people wanna look white, and of course heck if it was up to me it definitely wouldn't be this way, but I'm just going by observations and experiences. But I think we've been through this topic many times before. Yeah I know pale skin (not sure about the double eyelid thing since traditional drawings or depictions of beauty didn't portray women or men with large eyes) has always been traditionally valued, but it's not quite to the same extent as it is today it seems.
SunWuKong
02-24-2005, 11:09 AM
Well I guess I can't speak for Hong Kong, but many of the Asian girls from Asia that I've talked to DO often say that they feel white girls are prettier. Does this insinuate that they themselves want to look white or be white? I dunno, but it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that this is the case. It's not like I WANT to imply that Asian people wanna look white, and of course heck if it was up to me this wouldn't be this way, but I'm just going by observations and experiences. But I think we've been through this topic many times before. Yeah I know pale skin (not sure about the double eyelid thing since traditional drawings or depictions of beauty didn't portray women or men with large eyes) has always been traditionally valued, but it's not quite to the same extent as it is today it seems.
it's called exotification. white women and men are exotified, at least as far as i know, in Chinese society. you'll find that a lot of men in HK would love to have sex with a white woman - only a young, thin, and pretty one of course. preferably blonde. you put an "average" looking white woman in front of them, one that's not going to appear in a Gucci ad anytime soon, and more often than not, HKers wouldn't think she was very pretty.
Well, on the other hand, you can't exactly blame her for her misconceptions. There's basically two parallel lifestyles and societies in HK, the expat and the local one. And when foreigners ask HKers about how to get oriented in HK, plenty of HKers themselves will give the foreigners the answers about how to get oriented to the expat society, cuz they think that's what foreigners want to hear. E.g. where to go, what people do on the weekends, etc. She saw the heavily expat side of HK, picked out a few westernized surface elements of the local HK, and got her impression from there. It would be hard for her to dig any deeper.
i suppose the kind of exposure she had was something she could not control. but you'd think she'd have been smart enough to do a little research on Chinese culture regarding beauty standards first, or at the very least realise that if she's seeing white people everywhere she goes in HK, then she's probably not seeing the "real" HK where most of the locals live, socialise, and work. i mean, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the Caucasian population in HK is actually very small.
Chu Chi
02-24-2005, 07:08 PM
"...mediocre white man."
Three words which should never exist next to each other in a sentence.
CC
Well I guess I can't speak for Hong Kong alone, but many of the Asian girls from Asia that I've talked to DO often say that they feel white girls are prettier. Does this insinuate that they themselves want to look white or be white? I dunno, but it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that this is the case. Perhaps this is more common among Japanese and Korean women than Chinese women? Anyways, it's not like I WANT to imply that Asian people wanna look white, and of course heck if it was up to me it definitely wouldn't be this way, but I'm just going by observations and experiences. But I think we've been through this topic many times before. Yeah I know pale skin (not sure about the double eyelid thing since traditional drawings or depictions of beauty didn't portray women or men with large eyes) has always been traditionally valued, but it's not quite to the same extent as it is today it seems.
I know some people in Hong Kong think that way. But many people there don't. I think it depends on what era they grew up in. When it was still a British colony, caucasian features were deemed the standard of beauty. Back then, whites held executive/authoritative/prestigious positions. Back in those days, teaching english paid much higher than teaching chinese. So I guess all these things influenced people's thinking while growing up under colonial rule. When I was little, my family and I were watching some pageant show on tv one day and I asked my mom what is considered good-looking? My mom described it as having big eyes, tall nose and pale skin--- which are like caucasian features. It bugged me 'cause it makes a person feel ugly for not having these features. But now I understand why some people including my mom and my aunt tend to think this way.. They have been shaped by the way they were brought up in a society that was imposed on by Western standards and ideals. In primary school, it was a bit different.. the most popular and pretty girls in my class were the ones with long hair, pointy chins and nice teeth. In general, I think Western countries tend to put a lot of emphasis on looks, presentation and superficial things.. When I was growing up in Hong Kong, I didn't find most people in Hong Kong too hung up on looks, maybe on clothes, but not really so much on looks. They may casually comment on this and that celebrity but they don't really think too much about it. After I moved to Canada, a lot of people in Canada, regardless of race, tend to be very conscious of both their looks and others.
I think we are all somehow influenced by how the society we live in defines beauty. It really sucks to judge someone (or to be judged) by their looks and not their character. Ya know, I have met so many so-called good looking people who are total bitches. I'm lucky enough to have also met truly beautiful people who may be considered average or even ugly looking... their kindness and good heart have brought unspeakable joy and warmth to me and other people... it's truly beautiful!
missmeow
02-24-2005, 08:04 PM
5'1" and 103 is tiny. Have men given up on t&a?!?!?!
yoMAMA
02-24-2005, 08:25 PM
5'1" and 103 is tiny. Have men given up on t&a?!?!?!
no men shall ever give those up!
:wink:
bulldog
02-24-2005, 10:14 PM
it's called exotification. white women and men are exotified, at least as far as i know, in Chinese society. you'll find that a lot of men in HK would love to have sex with a white woman - only a young, thin, and pretty one of course. preferably blonde. you put an "average" looking white woman in front of them, one that's not going to appear in a Gucci ad anytime soon, and more often than not, HKers wouldn't think she was very pretty.
So it must be true because of exotic thingy, there are quite a number of asian women with white men or asian men with blond women,
but maybe they are from other parts of asia like china, phillipines or thailand doing hongkong stopover.
White people skin is also not white either just light.
I know why south asians all have eyelids, because their land used to be connected with africa, that is why the big dark eyes. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
asvenus
02-25-2005, 04:57 AM
there is no historical or sociolgical context in which she writes...it is simply one persons (boring and typical) observation...if shes a student, shes gonna fail this paper.
bulldog...not all south asians have any one phenotype, they are an extremely diverse group with all sorts of characteristics..also we know 'white' people are not white although in many parts of the world, on first contact with 'white' people they were perceived as ghosts hence alot of the slang terms for them to this day (loosely) revlove around that still..
SunWuKong
02-25-2005, 05:38 AM
5'1" and 103 is tiny. Have men given up on t&a?!?!?!
can't speak for any other ethnicity of Asian people, but Chinese people in Asia generally put a lot more emphasis on a woman's face than T&A, at least more so than in the US.
asvenus
02-25-2005, 07:35 AM
what is T&A..have always wondered??!!
SunWuKong
02-25-2005, 07:50 AM
what is T&A..have always wondered??!!
Tits and Ass
:biggrin:
sOKaLiBoY
02-25-2005, 08:35 AM
5'1" and 103 is tiny. Have men given up on t&a?!?!?!
never!!! it's all about t&a.
Bubba
02-25-2005, 12:35 PM
Finally, I have not engaged in the same kind of prolonged agricultural based lifestyle, and thus my body has aged in a gentler fashion.
Because Hong Kong has so much land to farm right? I can't imagine any place in her native Michigan with higher population density than Hong Kong.
Sheesh the overall ignorance in this article made my stomach turn. :(
rotrab
02-25-2005, 12:42 PM
well it's a student paper, so maybe they're not as careful on editing and proofreading.
I figured someone might say that. When I was in college, I found student editors were even bigger sticklers and correx freaks than in the professional world of publishing.
Bubba
02-25-2005, 12:47 PM
In a culture that discourages childbirth, however, hips that look like they could actually birth babies are looked down upon.
??? Isn't it the truth a complete opposite? And isn't Hong Kong exempt from the mainland's 1-Child rule?
yoMAMA
02-25-2005, 01:00 PM
??? Isn't it the truth a complete opposite? And isn't Hong Kong exempt from the mainland's 1-Child rule?
yes, i think hong kong is exempt from the 1 child rule, as with some minority groups in china, such as the tibetans, ugyhurs...etc.
also, nothing could be farther from the truth " in a culture that discourages child birth".
traditional confucian values place the biggest emphasis on a big family. the reason mainland china abandoned thoese values is because the communsit dislike old traditional values.
kimpossible
03-04-2005, 09:36 AM
5'1" and 103 is tiny. Have men given up on t&a?!?!?!
what does her height and weight have to do with assuming she doesn't have tits and ass? i really don't think hetero men's standards have changed that much - they've always like tits and ass for the most part but fashion standards can change. right now the ideal is i'd say right around Jessica Alba who is tiny, does have tits and ass but not flab. she's 5'7" and 125 lbs. according to one stat. that's about in keeping with 5'1" 103 lbs.
it's not just the quantity of T&A, it's the quality and the ratio that the T&A comes with cellulite and age, probably overall bodyshape and cuteness of the female in question as well.
Well I guess I can't speak for Hong Kong alone, but many of the Asian girls from Asia that I've talked to DO often say that they feel white girls are prettier. Does this insinuate that they themselves want to look white or be white? I dunno, but it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that this is the case. Perhaps this is more common among Japanese and Korean women than Chinese women? Anyways, it's not like I WANT to imply that Asian people wanna look white, and of course heck if it was up to me it definitely wouldn't be this way, but I'm just going by observations and experiences. But I think we've been through this topic many times before. Yeah I know pale skin (not sure about the double eyelid thing since traditional drawings or depictions of beauty didn't portray women or men with large eyes) has always been traditionally valued, but it's not quite to the same extent as it is today it seems.
I think it's because of movies and magazines - they get to see the pretty processed folks. In college I had a couple of Japanese friends remark that one of the major culture shocks they had is that the typical white American is a hell of a lot uglier than they had imagined because they had previously seen white Americans only in movies or magazines.
As for the large eyes, the way I've heard it explained is 'phoenix-eyed' where it is not a standard of beauty to have more Caucasian looking eyes but an older standard where the eyes are large, pretty and slightly upturned. In other words, really deep-socketed bug eyes wouldn't cut it.
Craig
03-04-2005, 09:58 AM
I think it's because of movies and magazines - they get to see the pretty processed folks. In college I had a couple of Japanese friends remark that one of the major culture shocks they had is that the typical white American is a hell of a lot uglier than they had imagined because they had previously seen white Americans only in movies or magazines.
So, then shouldn't people be shocked at how attractive average Asians are ? In America, people get stuck seeing the likes of Lucy Liu and the Asian lady from the View.
kimpossible
03-04-2005, 10:11 AM
So, then shouldn't people be shocked at how attractive average Asians are ? In America, people get stuck seeing the likes of Lucy Liu and the Asian lady from the View.
I'm not sure because the bulk of non-Asian Americans that I have known of that have gone to Asia are white males. But if you're looking for my answer to this question, I'd say that most of these guys don't watch The View, and my personal experience is that most non-Asian Americans group Asian features as attractive based on ethnic features rather than relevant national or cultural standards as they would be in an Asian country.
And I don't think either Lucy Liu or Lisa Ling are butt ugly, YMMV. I think they're average, which is the source of the complaint for some people - that they are not movie star gorgeous according to Asian standards. So, if this is the Asian standard of beauty elevated by white American standards, they would take that standard with them. These aren't Asian celebrities in Asia imported to the US, they're Asian American.
But that would be very interesting if more images celebrities in Asia were imported to the US. It could change the American view of Asian beauty standards I guess.
The white men/men going over there are not looking at faces, haha!
A Japanese friend thought Americans and America would look like Baywatch.
Napoleon Chynamite
06-16-2005, 12:58 PM
And I don't think either Lucy Liu or Lisa Ling are butt ugly, YMMV. I think they're average, which is the source of the complaint for some people - that they are not movie star gorgeous according to Asian standards.
IMHO a lot of stars in Hollywood these days aren't gorgeous according to American standards either. In fact the only celebrity in the limelight I truly do find attractive is Jessica Alba (and Ashley Judd, but she's not mentioned much nowadays). Never understood the fuss behind people like Jennifer Aniston, Gwyneth Paltrow, Cameron Diaz, Eva Mendes, or Angelina Jolie.
ahsingjai
06-16-2005, 02:32 PM
Well you can see this article wants the reader to think asians worship White people. And that's just not true.
White skin is a northern trait and goes back before any western influence that white or bright skin is beautiful. When I see it, and when older gen say it, I would always say, white doesn't mean pale. Then you just look like you about to die.
Plastic surgery is getting popular and that's really scary. I just hate fakes.
Of course, the extremes does exist, and that only because there is a growing rich class and we all know rich people are eccentric.
grimfan
06-17-2005, 01:49 AM
IMHO a lot of stars in Hollywood these days aren't gorgeous according to American standards either. In fact the only celebrity in the limelight I truly do find attractive is Jessica Alba (and Ashley Judd, but she's not mentioned much nowadays). Never understood the fuss behind people like Jennifer Aniston, Gwyneth Paltrow, Cameron Diaz, Eva Mendes, or Angelina Jolie.
Eva Mendes is pretty hot...
Grasshopper
06-17-2005, 04:15 AM
And I don't think either Lucy Liu or Lisa Ling are butt ugly, YMMV. I think they're average, which is the source of the complaint for some people - that they are not movie star gorgeous according to Asian standards.
Lisa Ling is not supposed to be a representative of great beauty. She started as a young TV producer, then reporter and then show host.
http://www.codywilliams.com/unity/lisa.jpg
http://images.absolutenow.com/rp/Ling_JS288388320004.jpg
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/1907973.jpg
^ with Yao Ming
kimpossible
06-17-2005, 07:40 AM
She's going to be one of the househould names of Asian American entertainment field females in middle-class, mainstream, soccer mom America. Enough for her to be used as a spokesmodel in an Old Navy clothing ad.
I know who she is. My impression is different that yours about how she fits into entertainment/media and the perception of her by the mainstream.
i must convert her with my penis
Craig
06-17-2005, 09:27 AM
i must convert her with my penis
Damn, you must be really horny then. First you plan on doing all of Taiwan, then all of Chicago, ... but must you really lower yourself to doing Lisa Ling ?
Damn, you must be really horny then. First you plan on doing all of Taiwan, then all of Chicago, ... but must you really lower yourself to doing Lisa Ling ?
oh, we're talking about lisa ling now? i thought it was the author of the article....lol serves me right for not reading this thread.
AliBabaIncorporated
06-17-2005, 10:19 AM
oh, we're talking about lisa ling now? i thought it was the author of the article....lol serves me right for not reading this thread.
Dude, after looking at Miss Loveley's picture, I'd stick with Chicago or earholes or Lisa Ling or whatever ...
http://flathat.wm.edu/December062002/opinionsstory2.shtml
Dude, after looking at Miss Loveley's picture, I'd stick with Chicago or earholes or Lisa Ling or whatever ...
http://flathat.wm.edu/December062002/opinionsstory2.shtml
you're right...but whatever, i'd still do her for the sake of the APIA community.
bluemonq
06-17-2005, 11:57 AM
good man, giving one for the team.
Napoleon Chynamite
06-17-2005, 12:04 PM
Dude, after looking at Miss Loveley's picture, I'd stick with Chicago or earholes or Lisa Ling or whatever ...
http://flathat.wm.edu/December062002/opinionsstory2.shtml
She's not bad :biggrin: Then again my friends say my standards are fucked up.
returntosender
06-17-2005, 12:29 PM
Why's her last name westernized?
Napoleon Chynamite
06-17-2005, 12:32 PM
Why's her last name westernized?
I'm guessing she's an adopted child from Korea, judging from the number of Korean adoptees in the U.S. and how she looks.
She's not bad :biggrin: Then again my friends say my standards are fucked up.
i find it funny that she said "First of all, I was told a couple of times that my eyes were very large. This is not something I am told in the United States, but the fact that I actually have eyelids (a western attribute) is unusual among Asians."
when her eyes aren't big at all...like seriously, she needs to check herself. it seems to me she's really bitter and insecure about the way she looks, and so she takes what some people in hong kong say to her (i'm guessing just to be nice) and shapes it so that it sounds like she's on to something. how sad.....my penis will show her the light.
relus
06-17-2005, 02:47 PM
All personal choice.. I prefer overall body and face over tits and ass anyday :p
cheapfujianese
06-19-2005, 04:01 AM
This girl is full of shit, and is obviously whitewashed. Oh and BTW, this is my first post on this site, I was referred by Ahsingjai.
Anyways, it is obviously that the entire worldview of this girl is completely confined by White American society. How could she go to HK and say every beautiful girl was with a White guy? Is she kidding? I was just in HK last week, (I was travelling in China for over 3 weeks) and I barely ever saw any pretty Chinese girls with White guys. In fact, most of the places I went to, I didn't even see White guys, because maybe if she wasn't such a whitewashed twinkie, she wouldn't just hang out in places such as Lan Kwai Fong.
Asian Americans like this makes me sick. I wish they'd shut their stupid ignorant mouths before they come back to the US and report to all their white friends their generalizations of the East, and confirmations of all their stereotypes. What a complete moron. Also, I noticed that she didn't fail to list the complements that she recieved. Reality Check. She would NOT be considered beautiful in China. Actually, she would be considered quite plain or even ugly. People were only saying that to be polite. Also, when she says that Asians are naturally tan and use skin-whiteners to look white, again, she is demonstrating a completely American shaped ignorant worldview. Many Asians are naturally very fair skinned, and that standard has been around for centuries, far before the modern era so it is certainly not an attempt to be "caucasian".
This is one stupid whitewashed bitch, and she's ugly too. I'm sick of these dumb Asian Americans who don't know anything about their heritage. They need to just shut their mouths because the world doesn't need their ignorant opinions.
DragonKnight
06-19-2005, 02:41 PM
how sad.....my penis will show her the light.
...you...are the chosen one. :biggrin:
pikachupacabra
06-19-2005, 03:26 PM
...you...are the chosen one. :biggrin:
"He's beginning to believe"
Shiiba
06-28-2005, 05:09 PM
This girl is full of shit, and is obviously whitewashed. Oh and BTW, this is my first post on this site, I was referred by Ahsingjai.
Anyways, it is obviously that the entire worldview of this girl is completely confined by White American society. How could she go to HK and say every beautiful girl was with a White guy? Is she kidding? I was just in HK last week, (I was travelling in China for over 3 weeks) and I barely ever saw any pretty Chinese girls with White guys. In fact, most of the places I went to, I didn't even see White guys, because maybe if she wasn't such a whitewashed twinkie, she wouldn't just hang out in places such as Lan Kwai Fong.
Asian Americans like this makes me sick. I wish they'd shut their stupid ignorant mouths before they come back to the US and report to all their white friends their generalizations of the East, and confirmations of all their stereotypes. What a complete moron. Also, I noticed that she didn't fail to list the complements that she recieved. Reality Check. She would NOT be considered beautiful in China. Actually, she would be considered quite plain or even ugly. People were only saying that to be polite. Also, when she says that Asians are naturally tan and use skin-whiteners to look white, again, she is demonstrating a completely American shaped ignorant worldview. Many Asians are naturally very fair skinned, and that standard has been around for centuries, far before the modern era so it is certainly not an attempt to be "caucasian".
This is one stupid whitewashed bitch, and she's ugly too. I'm sick of these dumb Asian Americans who don't know anything about their heritage. They need to just shut their mouths because the world doesn't need their ignorant opinions.
Pretty harsh comments, but I like your audacity. Kudos.
Filiprish
09-26-2005, 02:47 PM
I just realized by reading Shiiba's post that the author is APA. Wtf? I thought she was "white!" This is even worse, what a shame. Too bad she graduated from William & Mary already, otherwise I'd send her college email a link to this thread.
http://flathat.wm.edu/December062002/monica.jpg
FILE PHOTO -- The Flat Hat
Monica Loveley
hooligan
09-26-2005, 04:37 PM
Hey you guys, it might be a pen name, brainchildren.
And since most of the YW male posters are commenting on the author, I will partake and say that she is attractive.
Napoleon Chynamite
09-26-2005, 04:40 PM
I think she's pretty cute too, but for some reason my tastes differ from that of a lot of my friends, especially the Asian ones.
Didn't care much for what she had to say though~
ok so, maybe this is me, but i absolutely hate it when people say i'm big. (this goes with the whole stereotype of asian girls being tiny and delicate. :mad: ) yeah i have thighs, hips, and a butt. those are called CURVES, which a woman is supposed to have. i'm not a lesbian but i find a woman with curves to be much more sexy than a girl with a boy's body (flat chest, no hips, butt). but that's just me. =T
5'1" and 103 is tiny. Have men given up on t&a?!?!?!
no, never
Hey you guys, it might be a pen name, brainchildren.
And since most of the YW male posters are commenting on the author, I will partake and say that she is attractive.
dude, when she smiles she looks like william hung.
whatever, different strokes for different folks i guess
Paradox
09-27-2005, 12:57 AM
dude, when she smiles she looks like william hung.
whatever, different strokes for different folks i guess
Yeah she's kind of ugly actually. Maybe just coming back from Thailand has raised the bar impossibly high though. A lot of the girls there were absolutely gorgeous.
Banana
09-27-2005, 07:09 AM
What the fuck is up with her chin?
kimpossible
09-27-2005, 07:38 AM
Okay, I realize that we hate her article but the gangbang hating on her looks isn't necessary.
-Party Pooper
no, never
I'm still trying to figure out when men supposedly gave up on hot women with nice, firm T&A and wanted to fuck scarecrows. I know high fashion has embraced the waif look for quite a while but last time I checked Playboy (all about the T&A) was more of a source for men's fantasy material instead of women's fashion mags.
deez nuts
09-27-2005, 08:02 AM
that jared guy sounds like a stud.
SunWuKong
09-27-2005, 08:25 AM
http://flathat.wm.edu/story.php?issue=2005-03-18&type=2&aid=16
scroll down...
hooligan
09-27-2005, 08:57 AM
http://flathat.wm.edu/story.php?issue=2005-03-18&type=2&aid=16
scroll down...
Instead of being Chinese-centric, maybe you could have discussed varying degrees of beauty for other ethnicities.
Banana
09-27-2005, 09:26 AM
"And by the way, people who work and live in a country not of their own are called "expatriates," not "ex-patriots."
haha.
Napoleon Chynamite
09-27-2005, 09:32 AM
A lot of the girls there were absolutely gorgeous.
...or ridden with plastic surgery...or previously men :eek:
SunWuKong
09-27-2005, 09:54 AM
Instead of being Chinese-centric, maybe you could have discussed varying degrees of beauty for other ethnicities.
well, her article discussed standards of beauty in HK, and that's what i was responding to. besides, i don't feel i'm in a position to talk about beauty standards of other people in Asia, aside from the Chinese.
Filiprish
01-28-2006, 12:37 AM
Bump, could get at least 2 more pages out of this thread. :tongue:
uhhden
01-29-2006, 01:42 AM
As a guy, going to Asia makes me vindicated as an adult cause I'll fit adult sizes...in America, I usually shop in the kids section. Of course, I guess it works the other way for girls.
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