who killed vincent chin?

[kasia]

Yeah, cause when I got here, everybody here was talking about Vincent Chin and all this other type of stuff, and I'm like who the hell is he, I've never heard of him or any one of these other cases. That's not in any of my history books.

maybe hiroshi has already learned about vincent chin by now, but for the newcomers, this thread is for you.

questions:

1) who was vincent chin?
2) how did he die?
3) what were the circumstances surrounding his death?
4) what year was it?
5) were his murderers ever charged? convicted?
6) who was the judge?
7) was the the basis of the decision?
8) was there an appeal?
9) did his mother ever receive any compensation?
10) what does his case have to do with the apa community?

[Smush]

maybe hiroshi has already learned about vincent chin by now, but for the newcomers, this thread is for you.

questions:

1) who was vincent chin?
2) how did he die?
3) what were the circumstances surrounding his death?
4) what year was it?
5) were his murderers ever charged? convicted?
6) who was the judge?
7) was the the basis of the decision?
8) was there an appeal?
9) did his mother ever receive any compensation?
10) what does his case have to do with the apa community?

I didn't hear about this too much until finding it out on a web a couple years ago, but:
1. A Chinese American living in Detroit
2. Two angry Caucasian men killed him
3. They thought he was Japanese, and after being laid off due to the growing Japanese car industry in the US, they were looking for a scapegoat
4. Sometime during the 80s
5. Yes they were charge, but I think the charges were dropped to civil charges they have yet to pay
6-9. Someone help me out on these
10. This case brought together the APA community because they realized for the first time to look past silly inter-ethnic relations, and after seeing that one ethnicity could come to represent anyone, even by mistake in this case, they came together for his cause.

[Shuriken]

maybe hiroshi has already learned about vincent chin by now, but for the newcomers, this thread is for you.

questions:

1) who was vincent chin?
2) how did he die?
3) what were the circumstances surrounding his death?
4) what year was it?
5) were his murderers ever charged? convicted?
6) who was the judge?
7) was the the basis of the decision?
8) was there an appeal?
9) did his mother ever receive any compensation?
10) what does his case have to do with the apa community?

Since there doesn't seem to be much activity in this thread, I thought I'd jump in:

4) 1982 (June 19, to be exact)

5) His killers, Ronald Ebens and Michael Nitz, were charged with second-degree murder, but they plea-bargained the charge down to manslaughter. They were found guilty of manslaughter, fined $3,750, and placed on probation for three years.

6) Charles Kaufman

7) As I understand his reasoning, Kaufman decided that Ebens and Nitz weren't intent on killing Chin because the victim arrived at the hospital emergency room that night still alive — even though the two assaulters were stopped by the police during the beating (with a baseball bat), and one of the officers who stopped Ebens said that he held the bat as though he were "swinging for a home run."

8) Because Ebens and Nitz had already been dealt with by the judicial system, there was no way that the Asian American community could address the crime of the beating death per se. With few other options, they got the federal government to investigate the incident as a human-rights violation. The U.S. government eventually prosecuted Ebens and Nitz for violating Chin's human rights. Ebens was convicted, and Nitz was found not guilty. However, Ebens appealed his conviction, which was ultimately overturned.

9) In a civil settlement, Ronald Ebens agreed to pay Lily Chin (Vincent's mother) $1.5 million. But last I heard, Ebens skipped town and never paid the amount before Lily's death in 2002. (Lily was widowed before Vincent's death. Vincent, an adoptee, was her only child.)

Not to start a flame war, but it is an oversimplification to say that Chin's attackers beat him because they mistook him for a Japanese. The point of Christine Choy and Renee Tajima's documentary Who Killed Vincent Chin? and Helen Zia's book Asian American Dreams is that anti-Asian sentiment need not restrict itself to only one Asian ethnicity. Because there was so much resentment against Japanese automobiles in Detroit ("the motor city") in the early 1980s, this kind of resentment could easily spill over onto anyone with an Asian face. According to one trial witness, Ebens shouted at Chin sometime before the attack, "It's because of you motherfuckers we're out of a job!"

[pikachupacabra]

Reading all of this just makes me all pissed off and angry inside again. Does anyone know what those assholes are up to these days?

[Banana]

I think they're both dead.

[yoMAMA]

I think they're both dead.

I hope they burn in hell for eternity.

cowardly motherfuckers :mad:

oh, btw, i would never buy an american car, ever.

[hooligan]

I hope they burn in hell for eternity.

cowardly motherfuckers :mad:

oh, btw, i would never buy an american car, ever.

Surprisingly, a good number of "foreign" cars are in fact, made in the USA. Yeah, this was unfortunately, a galvanizing event for the APIA community. Is there anyway you can screen the movie?

[yoMAMA]

Surprisingly, a good number of "foreign" cars are in fact, made in the USA. Yeah, this was unfortunately, a galvanizing event for the APIA community. Is there anyway you can screen the movie?

what i mean was, i would never by any car from the "big 3".

the funny thing was, chrysler was sold to daimler benz of germany, and no one really made a big fuss about it.

think about it, if some japanese or korean car companies deared to takeover on of the "big 3".....i think it's safe to assume there would be anti asian riots in motown.

:rolleyes:

[hooligan]

what i mean was, i would never by any car from the "big 3".

the funny thing was, chrysler was sold to daimler benz of germany, and no one really made a big fuss about it.

think about it, if some japanese or korean car companies deared to takeover on of the "big 3".....i think it's safe to assume there would be anti asian riots in motown.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, I understand, we need to start an APIA riot. Wouldn't it be crazy to see our moms and dads in the streets, smashing windows, throwing firebombs, and blowing the shit out of the upper-class neighborhoods?

[yoMAMA]

Yeah, I understand, we need to start an APIA riot. Wouldn't it be crazy to see our moms and dads in the streets, smashing windows, throwing firebombs, and blowing the shit out of the upper-class neighborhoods?

hell yeah!

gets my adrenaline pumping!

:biggrin:

[pikachupacabra]

Yeah, I understand, we need to start an APIA riot. Wouldn't it be crazy to see our moms and dads in the streets, smashing windows, throwing firebombs, and blowing the shit out of the upper-class neighborhoods?


yeah, but they'd STILL be listening to shitty music while doing it, hahah...

[moser]

I think they're both dead.

I thought the younger one (Ebens) is alive, living in Utah where all of his assets have been transferred to his wife so that Ms. Chin wouldn't get any. Forget where I read this.

It's times like these where I wish we had Triads/Yazukas in the US.

[hooligan]

I thought the younger one (Ebens) is alive, living in Utah where all of his assets have been transferred to his wife so that Ms. Chin wouldn't get any. Forget where I read this.

It's times like these where I wish we had Triads/Yazukas in the US.

That fucking sucks, I wonder why the APIA community always reacts to things like these and not be proactive on issues that already concern us now. : \ (In reference to that master list that Kasie is forming).

[yoMAMA]

I thought the younger one (Ebens) is alive, living in Utah where all of his assets have been transferred to his wife so that Ms. Chin wouldn't get any. Forget where I read this.

It's times like these where I wish we had Triads/Yazukas in the US.


what a fucking asshole.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Shuriken]

I thought the younger one (Ebens) is alive, living in Utah where all of his assets have been transferred to his wife so that Ms. Chin wouldn't get any. Forget where I read this.

Ronald Ebens was the older of the two attackers. In fact, the younger one, Michael Nitz, was Eben's stepson.

[kpih]

One film I will absolutely show when I teach violent crimes, hate crimes, racism in criminal justice decision making etc etc.

Every time I see it I get more pissed...

[kasia]

well, the point isn't so much to get pissed, although i understand the anger that you all feel.

what has this case meant to you personally? does anyone want to flush out the judge's opinions, the two defendants' testimony in the film, the civil suit, etc.?

[Chu Chi]

what i mean was, i would never by any car from the "big 3".

the funny thing was, chrysler was sold to daimler benz of germany, and no one really made a big fuss about it.



Exactly; This kind of behavior occurs all the time but it is rarely acknowledged, Thanks YM. I think the racial code is that when the product is made by other White people of whatever "nationality", it is not considered "foreign".

Ikea alone has destroyed the U.S woodworking industry but no one whines about them or the disposable nature of their products.

CC

[evry_oda_grl]

shit...u'r rite...dat sucks so fukin much...dus evry single asian seiously look dat much alike to white ppl?...it's bad enough dat most Americans fink dat HongKong is in Japan...

[yoMAMA]

Exactly; This kind of behavior occurs all the time but it is rarely acknowledged, Thanks YM. I think the racial code is that when the product is made by other White people of whatever "nationality", it is not considered "foreign".

Ikea alone has destroyed the U.S woodworking industry but no one whines about them or the disposable nature of their products.

CC

seriously.

imagine if IKEA is a chinese company.....you'd see everyday in the paper/TV how they are competing unfairly, how they are destroying american livelyhoods, how they are this, that...you know...the usual evil asians crap.

:rolleyes:

[hooligan]

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