Movies that give Caucasians access to AF's

[ChairmanMah]

There's this new movie starring some guy i don't know his name, some old fat dude, in Vietnam prior to the war.

On the trailer it states that the Vietnamese female population were all mistresses for older European men.

This kinda stuff bugs me. I think it tells white men that it's okay to prey on Asian Females, they are meant for that. Which reinforces another stereotype.

It seems that Asian females are definately the trend in Hollywood now since Lucy Liu released her skanky self in the name of the almighty dollar to fetishize our women and give sickly white men the right to screw girls half their age and size. :pissed: :(

[digiaks]

You talk like we do not have sickly asian men that buy and screw women half their age? Is it less sick being a fast old Asian guy?

Asian women in general have this general negative stereotype of being good mannered (we all know the truth).

This issue is not about sick white men.

Lucy Lui is playing a strong woman. You should be happy that she is not playing an obedient wife that says 2 words in the whole movie or a Kung Fu master that runs up buildings and catches arrows with their hands.

[ChairmanMah]

it's a sick world created in hollywood to justify their fetishes.

look at some of the whore antics in which hollywood has put lucy liu thru. You think she created those roles for herself? No, some pervert did to discredit us and devalue our moral being. And at the same time spread propaganda to fool AF into believing that the white standard prevails as their dominant figure.

[karizma]

>> chairmanmah: hehe...sounds like your the type of guy who wont be too happy when he sees the trailers for "the transporter" :D

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by karizma@Oct 13 2002, 01:47 AM
>> chairmanmah: hehe...sounds like your the type of guy who wont be too happy when he sees the trailers for "the transporter" :D
forgot about that one, seen those trailers too...

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by digiaks@Oct 12 2002, 09:42 PM
You talk like we do not have sickly asian men that buy and screw women half their age? Is it less sick being a fast old Asian guy?

Asian women in general have this general negative stereotype of being good mannered (we all know the truth).

This issue is not about sick white men.

Lucy Lui is playing a strong woman. You should be happy that she is not playing an obedient wife that says 2 words in the whole movie or a Kung Fu master that runs up buildings and catches arrows with their hands.
Although she is not playing that part, she has been stamped and branded by Hollywood as the "Oriental ass kicking Seductress." That label has been permanently affixed to her forehead.

How do you mean a strong woman? It seems as if she is playing the "strong woman" as Hollywood sees fit; that is in conjunction with her label as an Asian female.

Breakdown of typical female Asian roles:
1) Seductress role: Ally McBeal, Payback
2) Kung Fu master that runs up buildings... : Charlie's Angels, Ballistic (so maybe she uses a gun instead -- from what I can tell from the trailers)
3) Obedient woman: Shanghai Noon

The label of Lucy Liu was not formed in order to represent Asian females as strong women. It was rather built up in such a way to facilitate the AF of whites. Why do you think whites commonly refer to Asian women as "exotic." ?? Why can't they simply be beautiful ? Seemingly it is a question of good stereotype vs. bad stereotype, yet at the same time both are negative and misrepresent Asians in general in a bad light.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 12 2002, 06:14 PM
It seems that Asian females are definately the trend in Hollywood now since Lucy Liu released her skanky self in the name of the almighty dollar to fetishize our women and give sickly white men the right to screw girls half their age and size. :pissed: :(
Okay. That's where I draw the line. GIRLS OPEN THEIR LEGS TO LET THE GUY STICK HIS FUCKING DICK IN! Unless it's RAPE, the WOMAN is ALWAYS the one who has the final say in who the man has sex with. If she doesn't spread her fucking legs, ain't a DAMN thing going to happen. So maybe you should REALIZE that there are some interracial couples who actually MATTER to each other more than just the pride in "screwing girls half their age and size." :pissed:

[angel nympho]

^-- Okay, sorry I got a little overexcited. I just got home from my boy's house and was feeling all amorous and happy that I got to spend time with him. When I see people talk shit about white guys with Asian girls it pisses me off because I know that most of that bullshit just isn't true. Give a girl some credit for knowing the difference between a real guy and a fucking prick. I hate being considered a "trendy" date.



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[kimpossible]

If you can magically stop all movies that pair white men with Asian females, would you be willing to also stop any Asian guy paired with a white female?

Just curious.

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 13 2002, 11:31 PM
If you can magically stop all movies that pair white men with Asian females, would you be willing to also stop any Asian guy paired with a white female?

Just curious.
of course,


BUT


Hollywood has to make one first in order for us to magically stop it.

[ChairmanMah]

it's not really about a conscious decision whether to spread your legs or not. you can make that decision i know.

for me, it's more about the AF's that don't really have much going for them in their country and use their bodies as a means to furthering themselves. And as well the ones that buy into the white is right mentality.

in essence they have sold themselves to a suitable provider and that image is of a white man that they may not necessarily be attracted to but are willing to be w/ since that w. male has bought into the stereotypes of AF's and the females themselves know that.

The women take advantage of this and as a result WE ALL LOOK LIKE FOOLS!!

And their pussies may not be under lock and key like yours. That is because it is an open door. Open to the best bidder who happens to be white willing and able to demoralize and objectify who he sees fit by a world created by others like him who gave him permission.

Nobody asked us if we wanted to be represented in a positive light. They just went ahead and did as they pleased not caring if it was right or not.

If it was up to me, i would have rather had North American Pop culture not even include Asians so we could create it ourselves.

Well we didn't create it and now look at how warped the perception is.

It's a bigger picture beyond your legs and the pussy in between.

It's about our reputation and moral integrity to uphold.

[ChairmanMah]

i wonder how many Asian girls feel that they are the shit now since they have became the latest fad. Bet they're proud of themselves. And for what, they didn't have to do anything. All the guys that want to fuck them did.

How's it feel to objectified by pop culture? You'll be up in the same league as Britney Spears and Mcdonalds.



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[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 05:13 AM
i wonder how many Asian girls feel that they are the shit now since they have became the latest fad. Bet they're proud of themselves. And for what, they didn't have to do anything. All the guys that want to fuck them did.

How's it feel to objectified by pop culture? You'll be up in the same league as Britney Spears and Mcdonalds.
Okay, well, make a decision. Are you talking about stereotypes that are true? Because when you say these Asian ladies are more than willing to spread their skanky ass legs open to any guy, then that is what we'd refer to as something that is TRUE. NOT simply a stereotype. If you are referring to Asian-AMERICAN ladies... please make it clear now before I get really upset and say something that doesn't apply.

Now if you're talking about Asian females that are not Asian-AMERICAN females, that's really not my problem if they want to sell their bodies or whatnot. Either way, these women are making a conscious decision to have sex with these white guys. Even you agreed with me, there. So how exactly are they being "preyed" upon?

Just because the big thing right now is Asian girls doesn't mean that we are at ALL being "preyed upon." When every white man on the block was into blonde-haired, blue-eyed, long legged girls, why didn't anybody refer to them as being "preyed upon?" Are you saying that we are in some way more submissive than they are? I think if that's the case, you're feeding the stereotype more than you're breaking it.

[angel nympho]

oh and by the way, i couldn't give a crap if anybody thought i was submissive. it's fun to watch a guy think he can get with me and run away crying when i kick him in the balls and give him a reality check. if that doesn't teach you not to objectify any girls, asian or not, then i don't know what will.

[angel nympho]

And by the way again...

Reputation means NOTHING. So I'm SOOOOO sorry if the fact that Asian girls are thought of as attractive and every guy wants to get in our pants makes you feel like you mean less to the world. :huh:

And if you want my opinion (which you surely don't), if anything lets the American population think it's okay to treat Asian women as sex symbols, it's the Asian men who made a lifestyle out of it.



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[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:30 AM

Okay, well, make a decision. Are you talking about stereotypes that are true? Because when you say these Asian ladies are more than willing to spread their skanky ass legs open to any guy, then that is what we'd refer to as something that is TRUE. NOT simply a stereotype. If you are referring to Asian-AMERICAN ladies... please make it clear now before I get really upset and say something that doesn't apply.

Now if you're talking about Asian females that are not Asian-AMERICAN females, that's really not my problem if they want to sell their bodies or whatnot. Either way, these women are making a conscious decision to have sex with these white guys. Even you agreed with me, there. So how exactly are they being "preyed" upon?

Just because the big thing right now is Asian girls doesn't mean that we are at ALL being "preyed upon." When every white man on the block was into blonde-haired, blue-eyed, long legged girls, why didn't anybody refer to them as being "preyed upon?" Are you saying that we are in some way more submissive than they are? I think if that's the case, you're feeding the stereotype more than you're breaking it.
it's a little bit of both. Some lead others follow. It's all bs to begin with. Monkey see monkey do.

Well prey might not have been the best word but i know that many can agree that these exploited females are targets no?

I'm not saying you gals are more submissive. I'm saying that you're more subjective to joining a group to gain acceptance.

In the philipines whites are viewed as superior so they marry whites if possible.

In North America, an asian girl's white peers and influencial media figures will be seen w/ white male partners therefore white male's who see this state of confusion within the Asian American/Canadian females take advantage at the expense of Asian Males. When i was younger i thought it was a way of gaining acceptance by dating white girls. That is a lie. Screw acceptance. How can you accept all the predjudice, discrimination and ignorance? Stick w/ your own, you'll have less problems that way.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 13 2002, 11:02 PM
Stick w/ your own, you'll have less problems that way.
What if you have no 'own' to stick to?

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:36 AM
oh and by the way, i couldn't give a crap if anybody thought i was submissive. it's fun to watch a guy think he can get with me and run away crying when i kick him in the balls and give him a reality check. if that doesn't teach you not to objectify any girls, asian or not, then i don't know what will.
:lol: of course you're not submissive. You seem like a strong female. I'm sure most guys would leave you alone, you sound scary. :lol:

i'm sure you can take care of yourself. YOu sound pretty smart too.

I'm not talking about you. You know who i'm talkign about.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 07:02 AM
it's a little bit of both. Some lead others follow. It's all bs to begin with. Monkey see monkey do.

Well prey might not have been the best word but i know that many can agree that these exploited females are targets no?

I'm not saying you gals are more submissive. I'm saying that you're more subjective to joining a group to gain acceptance.

In the philipines whites are viewed as superior so they marry whites if possible.

In North America, an asian girl's white peers and influencial media figures will be seen w/ white male partners therefore white male's who see this state of confusion within the Asian American/Canadian females take advantage at the expense of Asian Males. When i was younger i thought it was a way of gaining acceptance by dating white girls. That is a lie. Screw acceptance. How can you accept all the predjudice, discrimination and ignorance? Stick w/ your own, you'll have less problems that way.
I think exploited females sometimes can be the victim. But the term "exploited" doesn't apply to all Asian women, and it applies to women of all races. I don't consider Asian females targets at ALL. If they're stupid enough to subject assume that being with a white guy will empower them in some way, then they'll find out sooner or later that it just isn't the case.

The deeper you delve into this issue, the more it seems to me that implicating the white guy who wants to get with the Asian girl is wrong. You say that Asian females hook up with the more than willing white guy as a way of gaining acceptance. How is this the fault of the guy?

Other than that, I totally agree with you about raising the middle finger to acceptance. Which means I can raise a finger to you when you say that I should "stick with my own." Because me and my white boy don't do anything but LAUGH when we see people giving us funny looks on the street.

[Green_Circle]

"Because me and my white boy don't do anything but LAUGH when we see people giving us funny looks on the street."

Do you find that it is older people or younger peeps that look at you funny? Is it mostly males or females? Just wondering who is trying to make you guys uncomfortable. Some people get really upset and show it like in your face while others won't even look twice. When I was with a White girl once just chatting, I got the most in your face reaction from Asian females, believe it or not! This White girl was just a friend and it wasn't like we were all over each other. :blink:

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:38 AM
And by the way again...

Reputation means NOTHING. So I'm SOOOOO sorry if the fact that Asian girls are thought of as attractive and every guy wants to get in our pants makes you feel like you mean less to the world. :huh:

And if you want my opinion (which you surely don't), if anything lets the American population think it's okay to treat Asian women as sex symbols, it's the Asian men who made a lifestyle out of it.
it is kind of a diss dont you think? Asian girls straight out saying they don't like asian guys. I'm sure every asian guy out there has heard this before. It's very rude, not to mention slightly racist. It's seems only that asian girls would go that low to discriminate against their own race so nonchalantly.

And you sholdn't go blaming on this generation for the mistakes of the past. It's like saying we should hate germans or japanese people born after WWII.

It's just stupidity holding grudges against other people who have nothign to do with the actual event which took place. Like i'm some dominating old fashioned asian man from China or Japan.

I only hold grudges against what i see happenign now not the past.

And yeah, when i see a cute asian girl w/ some dorky white guy she could do way better w/ it pisses me off. Not because i can't have her, because she chose to be w/ a dork instead of dork of her own race.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Green_Circle@Oct 14 2002, 07:18 AM
"Because me and my white boy don't do anything but LAUGH when we see people giving us funny looks on the street."

Do you find that it is older people or younger peeps that look at you funny? Is it mostly males or females? Just wondering who is trying to make you guys uncomfortable. Some people get really upset and show it like in your face while others won't even look twice. When I was with a White girl once just chatting, I got the most in your face reaction from Asian females, believe it or not! This White girl was just a friend and it wasn't like we were all over each other. :blink:
Younger Asian guys mostly. They give him dirty looks, but smile at me when I turn around.
But old old old Asian people, both men and women, also look at us funny. But that's more understandable to me. We don't really get stares from white people.

Occasionally, some Asian kids will try to make it REALLY obvious, but whatever. The ones who REALLY are obvious about it, though, are both guys and girls.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 07:02 AM
it's a little bit of both. Some lead others follow. It's all bs to begin with. Monkey see monkey do.

Well prey might not have been the best word but i know that many can agree that these exploited females are targets no?

I'm not saying you gals are more submissive. I'm saying that you're more subjective to joining a group to gain acceptance.

In the philipines whites are viewed as superior so they marry whites if possible.

In North America, an asian girl's white peers and influencial media figures will be seen w/ white male partners therefore white male's who see this state of confusion within the Asian American/Canadian females take advantage at the expense of Asian Males. When i was younger i thought it was a way of gaining acceptance by dating white girls. That is a lie. Screw acceptance. How can you accept all the predjudice, discrimination and ignorance? Stick w/ your own, you'll have less problems that way.
I think exploited females sometimes can be the victim. But the term "exploited" doesn't apply to all Asian women, and it applies to women of all races. I don't consider Asian females targets at ALL. If they're stupid enough to subject assume that being with a white guy will empower them in some way, then they'll find out sooner or later that it just isn't the case.

The deeper you delve into this issue, the more it seems to me that implicating the white guy who wants to get with the Asian girl is wrong. You say that Asian females hook up with the more than willing white guy as a way of gaining acceptance. How is this the fault of the guy?

Other than that, I totally agree with you about raising the middle finger to acceptance. Which means I can raise a finger to you when you say that I should "stick with my own." Because me and my white boy don't do anything but LAUGH when we see people giving us funny looks on the street.
i don't have anyting against your IR relationship if that's what you think. Dont' get so defensive. Unless you go dissing you're own people i don't have a problem w/ you.

"It's not the guy's fault"

Did i ever say that? It's the bigger picture remember? This is getting off topic. Read the Forum topic again. It's not about men and women making conscientious decisions to have sex. It's about why they make them, how they got influenced by media and which pictures in particular.

[ChairmanMah]

if i saw you and your bf it wouldn't really grab my attention too much cuz you're both young. but if your bf was an old white man then i'd be kinda disgusted and give you a little stink eye.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 12 2002, 06:14 PM
This kinda stuff bugs me. I think it tells white men that it's okay to prey on Asian Females, they are meant for that. Which reinforces another stereotype.

It seems that Asian females are definately the trend in Hollywood now since Lucy Liu released her skanky self in the name of the almighty dollar to fetishize our women and give sickly white men the right to screw girls half their age and size. :pissed: :(
To me, that clearly says that you're saying white men think it's okay to "target" Asian females.

"Give sickly white men the right..."

Yeah. So if you ask me, I think you DID say that by calling Asian women "victims" that it's the white men who are victimizing them.

And yeah, when i see a cute asian girl w/ some dorky white guy she could do way better w/ it pisses me off. Not because i can't have her, because she chose to be w/ a dork instead of dork of her own race.
And it's also racist of you to assume that an Asian dork is somehow better than a white dork.


I hate the fact that everybody on this fucking forum forces me to play the "white supremacist." I just don't like racism. Even when it's in our favor. Sorry.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 07:33 AM
if i saw you and your bf it wouldn't really grab my attention too much cuz you're both young. &nbsp;but if your bf was an old white man then i'd be kinda disgusted and give you a little stink eye.
Don't jump to conclusions. My boy isn't exactly freshly out of high school, like me.



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[ChairmanMah]

it's bad enuf that tv is all white, but it's all white pairing w/ asian women. they weren't happy w/ their own? they wouldn't include asian men. They only include us as lesser characters and undesirables.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:36 AM


"Give sickly white men the right..."


at least the idea.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 07:20 AM
it is kind of a diss dont you think? Asian girls straight out saying they don't like asian guys. I'm sure every asian guy out there has heard this before. It's very rude, not to mention slightly racist. It's seems only that asian girls would go that low to discriminate against their own race so nonchalantly.

And you sholdn't go blaming on this generation for the mistakes of the past. It's like saying we should hate germans or japanese people born after WWII.

It's just stupidity holding grudges against other people who have nothign to do with the actual event which took place. Like i'm some dominating old fashioned asian man from China or Japan.

I only hold grudges against what i see happenign now not the past.

And yeah, when i see a cute asian girl w/ some dorky white guy she could do way better w/ it pisses me off. Not because i can't have her, because she chose to be w/ a dork instead of dork of her own race.
Okay, did I SAY I don't like Asian guys? Nope.

And, for the record, I think ruling out white guys because they're not "one of my own" is just as racist as saying I don't like Asian guys. It seems that every Asian guy in the fucking world is like making me DECIDE which race to date.

And I never blamed the goddamn generation for mistakes of the past. I'm just saying that white guys aren't and havn't been the only ones in the world to objectify Asian females. They began their history in white media as sex objects because they began their history in Asia as sex objects. Sometimes shit just hasn't changed. Blaming people isn't going to help it change. Why can't we stop pointing fingers and just work toward progress?

[Green_Circle]

"It's not about men and women making conscientious decisions to have sex. It's about why they make them, how they got influenced by media and which pictures in particular. "

I've been brought up here in the good ole USA and I've always been around White girls since day 1. I'm not dissing anyone but I feel that I really am much more comfortable around blondes for some reason. We just seem to hit it off, even strange blondes at the mall or at Starbucks, wherever, I just seem to zero in on them. It's not that I've been conditioned or brainwashed but that it's some kind of electricity. I've dated other kinds of women don't misunderstand me, but I just seem to click with blondes. :dance:

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:36 AM

And it's also racist of you to assume that an Asian dork is somehow better than a white dork.


I hate the fact that everybody on this fucking forum forces me to play the "white supremacist." I just don't like racism. Even when it's in our favor. Sorry.
it's not in our favor to go out and seek relationships of women of our own race? it's an inherited right. you gave away that right. many of us want to know why.

there are only 2 reasons i think

1. you like each other which is great.

2. you like each other because you don't like asian guys.

the latter is what i have a problem with. That is discrimination and stereotyping. you don't know all of us.

[ChairmanMah]

i can see this turning into a constant bitching back and forth. it's midnite here... getting too tired to argue. i'll argue later.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 07:49 AM
it's not in our favor to go out and seek relationships of women of our own race? it's an inherited right. you gave away that right. many of us want to know why.

there are only 2 reasons i think

1. you like each other which is great.

2. you like each other because you don't like asian guys.

the latter is what i have a problem with. That is discrimination and stereotyping. you don't know all of us.
Let me explain something to you. I grew up in the United States, a very culturally diverse nation. I grew up in the company of both whites and non-whites, and was raised to believe that all people are equal. Just because I am Asian, a trait that I had no control over, does not make me better than ANYBODY and it does not somehow automatically force me to limit my dating preference to only those of my own race. Therefore, when I meet somebody that I get along with, I'm sorry if the first thing I notice is not the fucking color of their skin.

In no way, by dating somebody not of my race, did I give away ANY inherited right. In fact, whatever right you're talking about is not a right at all. It's a PREFERENCE. And when it comes to who you date, everybody is entitled to their own PREFERENCE. My preference, however, doesn't have anything to DO with the color of one's skin, so how in the hell did I give away the right to have a preference?

And you're right. I don't know all of you. And don't be so fucking quick to judge. Everything in the world does not center around race. Sometimes people just want to be HUMAN.



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[innternal]

Preach it, girl. I myself think all people to be equal, being that I'm ABC myself. However, I do still prefer people of my own kind. To me, it just makes me feel more comfy. :P

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by innternal@Oct 14 2002, 08:01 AM
Preach it, girl. I myself think all people to be equal, being that I'm ABC myself. However, I do still prefer people of my own kind. To me, it just makes me feel more comfy. :P
See, I have no problem with that. I mean, you want to date within your race, more power to you. But the minute somebody absolutely REFUSES to date somebody on the basis of race, be it somebody within their race or somebody outside their race, is when I have a problem.

If I could find an Asian guy that I'd like to date, there's no doubt in my mind that I will try my hardest to work something out. The fact that I am CURRENTLY not dating an Asian doesn't mean I'm, like, dead to Asians. I find Asian guys attractive, I find white guys attractive... I'm a pretty open-minded person. I hate it when people assume they know things about me because of who I am currently dating. If you REALLY want to see my track record, you'll notice that I've BARELY dated white guys.

[karizma]

>> if only everyone had the same mindset as angel... color blind...racial boundaries non existant...but oh how sad it is the world does not work this way...

>> ive never encountered an asian girl who simply refused to date an asian guy for the sole reason of being asian. either thats just an excuse some guys use for being unable to attain the asian chick or maybe im just damn blind. either way i gotta see it to believe it...

>> when i see an asian brotha or sista with a white significant other the thought that "oh shit...theyre selling out" does NOT cross my mind....more power to them for finding someone they click with and its great that theyre happy together...what irks me is the opposite sex of whichever race getting pissed because one of their own kind crossed over to the dark side and then they start questioning themselves, getting all insecure..."whats so wrong with me, my kind that she/he had to goto a *insert ethnicity* guy/girl" ....chill...oh keep in mind im not pointing fingers just saying what im thinking...

>> and as for that media bs...fack...producers and whatever are gonna keep churning out movies that make white people look good and minorities look bad 'cause thats what sells..

[Green_Circle]

"and as for that media bs...fack...producers and whatever are gonna keep churning out movies that make white people look good and minorities look bad 'cause thats what sells.."

You may have a point there, K. But I think that the audience isn't given a chance to like us for what we truly are and that is just plain folks. It's not good to foment ill feeling because we'll just simmer and wait for our chance to dish it back, any which way we can. What goes around will come around and once they realize this, the better off everyone will be. :retard:

[digiaks]

some people here talk about the evils of stereotypes then go ahead and stereotype themselves. What a joke.

When I said Kung Fu women running up walls I meant Martial Arts. Ballistic has no relation to this. Lucy is usually in strong rolls. Ballistic is a prime example. It is not a kung fu flick, it is not a submissive flick, it is a I can kick your ass flick. Same goes with Charlies Angels. And with Ally McBeal she plays a very smarl witty person (little mean at times). This goes against the stereotype of sumbmissive Asian woman. A stereotype that many Asian males also want (yes, this is not a white thing).

And, I still do not see why it is more sick that a white man drools over an Asian thinking about only sex and an Asian guy who drools over the Asian chick and only thinks about sex. Both are sick, both are lame.

Race should not matter. It is all about the content of your character. Women are not stupid, they go with guys that treat them right. Most asians do date asians so you should be happy. Heaven forbid some Asians (guy or girl) date outside of the race.

Sometimes I forget which race is supposed to be the stereotyping racists.

Alvin

[SunWuKong]

ChairmanMah and angel... i think you two are basically agreeing. but i can see that ChairmanMah is probably frustrated at the fact that such a bigger number of asian women date non-asian men, as opposed to the vice versa. truth be told, CM, i personally know more asian girls that refuse to date non-asian guys than asian girls that refuse to date asian guys. and refusal to date your own race is not limited to asian women. there are asian men who are like that too. and angel, i think you are just being defensive for dating a white guy, and rightly so, because no doubt numerous ignorant asian guys have given you shit for it. but basically, i think you both are actually agreeing.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 01:38 AM


And if you want my opinion (which you surely don't), if anything lets the American population think it's okay to treat Asian women as sex symbols, it's the Asian men who made a lifestyle out of it.
Hey, hey, hey!

I'm sure the Asian man is not the only man that objectified women in a sexual manner!

Sure the Asian male had a hand in it, but to place the entire blame squarely on us on how Asian women are perceived from past to present, is kinda unfair.



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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 14 2002, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 01:38 AM


And if you want my opinion (which you surely don't), if anything lets the American population think it's okay to treat Asian women as sex symbols, it's the Asian men who made a lifestyle out of it.
Hey, hey, hey!

I'm sure the Asian man is not the only man that objectified women in a sexual manner!

Sure the Asian male had a hand in it, but to place the entire blame squarely on us on how Asian women are perceived from past to present, is kinda unfair.
hahhah true. and if anything, i treat white girls as sex symbols more so than i do with asian girls.

[Green_Circle]

Ok how about has anyone ever heard of any other race refusing to date members of their own race? There is something weird about the whole deal. I mean what if White women in significant numbers refused to date White men? Wouldn't they do comprehensive studies to delve into the phenomena? However, we as Asian Americans don't think it's unusual at all because we all seem to know of others that fit this type and we kind of accept it as part of our Asian American experience. Meanwhile we'd be hard pressed to come up with another race that had this kind of self rejection of their members, it's exclusively peculiar to colonial and conquered peoples. Pain is associated with racism and discrimination so to disassociate membership in the subjugated race one assumes membership with the dominant race by associating with them and distancing themselves from the subjugated 'inferior' race thereby validating themselves to be as good as the colonizer or conqueror and to look down on the 'lesser' race. It is all an illusion but it is needed for some in order to keep their sanity and their anger in check.
:gross:

[ChairmanMah]

i haven't rread all the posts yet but how do you think it would be like if the tables were turned and the moveis were w/ asina men w/ wf. There would be outrage to the severity of when blacks started dating blonde women.

What if this was a commonplace in real life?

I'd be getting shitkicked all the time by mobs of white dudes.

I went out w/ white model before. I don't know if i'll do that again for the sole reason that white males cause me too many problems mainly from lack of respect and rude behaviour.

White guys would blatantly try to pick up my gf. Iwas getting sick and tired. It was causing problems in my relationship. I would start worrying about her. Some of her friends didn;t like me. I don;'t think her parent or family didn't like me too much niether from the atmoshpere at christmas.

It's just a world submersed in too many white people. Ppl that would never care to understand. Some do, others it seems you have to prove something to. Prove that you're worthy maybe. Well iam and i shouldn't have to prove it every single fucking day.

As an asina girl you don't have to worry ablkt that. All you have to do is recede to your little spot in the world as the "submissive wife who cooks, cleans and takes care of the kids"

As an asian man we work very hard to succeed. There's no appreciation. Just blatant disrespect from the belief of stereotypes. OUr own women buy into them. What a double kick in the nuts that is.

YOu get what i'm saying. We all look like fools.

[Green_Circle]

A few days ago at the mall I saw this really fine looking White babe, beautiful face and really hot figure. She was coming from behind a display rack and then I saw she had a small child. I happened to notice that the kid looked half Asian and continued to check out the fine babe. All of a sudden behind them appeared an Asian dude who happened to bust me checking out his woman. I quickly averted my eyes because he caught me outright. As they continued on I resumed checking her out and she was really fine with a trim figure and all that but the Asian guy she was with seemed like he'd be all in your business if you stared. My point is that he seemed only too capable of defending his wife and kid (especially with a hottie like that!) The look he gave me was that look that guys give each other when puffing their chests out. You know what I mean, that look that says: don't even think about it!
:rolleyes:

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by karizma@Oct 14 2002, 08:16 AM

>> ive never encountered an asian girl who simply refused to date an asian guy for the sole reason of being asian. either thats just an excuse some guys use for being unable to attain the asian chick or maybe im just damn blind. either way i gotta see it to believe it...


i'm surprised you haven't heard any of your gf's say this. sadly to say, i've heard it numerous times. Mind you, most my friends are white and af's that hang around like white people too. Which i don't have a problem w/.

I have a problem w/ them and their friends writing off asian guys to fit in and be part of the group. and how some are influenced to that decision. which brings us back to the original topic.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by Green_Circle@Oct 14 2002, 05:13 PM
A few days ago at the mall I saw this really fine looking White babe, beautiful face and really hot figure. She was coming from behind a display rack and then I saw she had a small child. I happened to notice that the kid looked half Asian and continued to check out the fine babe. All of a sudden behind them appeared an Asian dude who happened to bust me checking out his woman. I quickly averted my eyes because he caught me outright. As they continued on I resumed checking her out and she was really fine with a trim figure and all that but the Asian guy she was with seemed like he'd be all in your business if you stared. My point is that he seemed only too capable of defending his wife and kid (especially with a hottie like that!) The look he gave me was that look that guys give each other when puffing their chests out. You know what I mean, that look that says: don't even think about it!
:rolleyes:
nothing wrong w/ that or most things you people are saying. most of which does not pertain to the topic at hand.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 04:44 PM
i haven't rread all the posts yet but how do you think it would be like if the tables were turned and the moveis were w/ asina men w/ wf. There would be outrage to the severity of when blacks started dating blonde women.

What if this was a commonplace in real life?

I'd be getting shitkicked all the time by mobs of white dudes.

I went out w/ white model before. I don't know if i'll do that again for the sole reason that white males cause me too many problems mainly from lack of respect and rude behaviour.

White guys would blatantly try to pick up my gf. Iwas getting sick and tired. It was causing problems in my relationship. I would start worrying about her. Some of her friends didn;t like me. I don;'t think her parent or family didn't like me too much niether from the atmoshpere at christmas.

It's just a world submersed in too many white people. Ppl that would never care to understand. Some do, others it seems you have to prove something to. Prove that you're worthy maybe. Well iam and i shouldn't have to prove it every single fucking day.

As an asina girl you don't have to worry ablkt that. All you have to do is recede to your little spot in the world as the "submissive wife who cooks, cleans and takes care of the kids"

As an asian man we work very hard to succeed. There's no appreciation. Just blatant disrespect from the belief of stereotypes. OUr own women buy into them. What a double kick in the nuts that is.

YOu get what i'm saying. We all look like fools.
Jeez, if you had a hot girlfriend EVERY guy would check her out anyway. It's not because she's WHITE, it's because she's HOT. *Rolls eyes*

And if you think for one MINUTE that just because I'm an Asian girl I don't have to work hard for ANYTHING, you are so wrong that I want to puke on myself. Asian girls are not "YOUR OWN" women! I HOPE that is a kick in the nuts. NO women are YOUR women. I refuse to allow you to believe that even MOST Asian women are submissive wives. My mother worked too hard to show me that two parents can both work, raise kids, and keep a damn clean house for me to turn out that way.

I'm sorry that you're too scared of white guys to date white girls. But as far as I can see, you're the one promoting stereotypes, here.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by digiaks@Oct 14 2002, 09:10 AM
some people here talk about the evils of stereotypes then go ahead and stereotype themselves. What a joke.

When I said Kung Fu women running up walls I meant Martial Arts. Ballistic has no relation to this. Lucy is usually in strong rolls. Ballistic is a prime example. It is not a kung fu flick, it is not a submissive flick, it is a I can kick your ass flick. Same goes with Charlies Angels. And with Ally McBeal she plays a very smarl witty person (little mean at times). This goes against the stereotype of sumbmissive Asian woman. A stereotype that many Asian males also want (yes, this is not a white thing).

And, I still do not see why it is more sick that a white man drools over an Asian thinking about only sex and an Asian guy who drools over the Asian chick and only thinks about sex. Both are sick, both are lame.

Race should not matter. It is all about the content of your character. Women are not stupid, they go with guys that treat them right. Most asians do date asians so you should be happy. Heaven forbid some Asians (guy or girl) date outside of the race.

Sometimes I forget which race is supposed to be the stereotyping racists.

Alvin
^-- EXACTLY what I have been trying to say. EVERY fucking word this guy speaks is the truth.

[ChairmanMah]

you must think i'm saying that AF are the one who cooks cleans etc.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!

I'm saying that that IS what you are stereotyped to be.

our stereotypes as males are far worse. That is all i said isn't it? read it again.

It is easier for you to deal w/ your stereotypical role than it is for us asian males get it?

you(af) will be looked upon and prejudged in this way.

w/ us(am) basically the opposite and worse.

[Shuriken]

The two movies in the subhead of this thread — The Scorpion King and Snow Falling on Cedars — aren't the best examples of this trend. After all, the macho, romantic lead role of the Scorpion King is played by The Rock (a.k.a. Dwayne Johnson) who is of Pacific Island background and grew up in Hawaii. And in Snow Falling on Cedars, Youki Kudoh ends up with the hunky Rick Yune.

If I were going to take any movies to task for their portrayals of WM/AF romance, it would be Come See the Paradise and The Lost Empire, works whose white male romantic leads were awkwardly inserted into stories that didn't seem to call for them.

If we saw more movies with Asian men as romantic leads — for example, if Jet Li had actually gotten to kiss Aaliyah in Romeo Must Die — maybe women of all races would start regarding AMs differently.

[SunWuKong]

look, ChairmanMah and angel. as far as i can tell you two are actually agreeing. CM is not claiming that asian girls are the property of asian men. and angel is not saying that she won't date asian men at all. i have no idea what you two are arguing about. how about if you take a step back and state what you're trying to say, point by point, and then see if you actually agree with each other.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 06:58 PM
you must think i'm saying that AF are the one who cooks cleans etc.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!

I'm saying that that IS what you are stereotyped to be.

our stereotypes as males are far worse. That is all i said isn't it? read it again.

It is easier for you to deal w/ your stereotypical role than it is for us asian males get it?

you(af) will be looked upon and prejudged in this way.

w/ us(am) basically the opposite and worse.
Look. I know what I am stereotyped to be. Does it seem like I care at ALL about it? Why do you guys make such a huge deal about stereotypes??? I don't understand why you think girls have it so much easier, THEY DON'T. Maybe I just know better than to let anybody TELL me who I am. Nothing is going to happen if you complain about it, why don't you just go out there and prove the goddamn world wrong??? NO matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, stereotypes will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. What's important is the way you act. What's important is to ignore whatever little racist attitudes you might have in your mind and go out into the world treating everybody the way they need to be treated. Living in a racist society, everybody and their moms has at least a FEW racist thoughts in their head, but as far as I know, we still live in a nation that allows FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. What's important is that you allow your INTELLIGENCE to tell you that those thoughts are simply the result of your own ethnocentricity and are not valid.

And by the way, maybe if YOUR friends are the type to write off people because of their race, you should just get new friends.

Sorry to say this, but sometimes I think Asians are the ones promoting more stereotypes and close-minded thoughts than white people. Actually, scratch the "sometimes."

[Shuriken]

Originally posted by karizma@Oct 14 2002, 08:16 AM
>> and as for that media bs...fack...producers and whatever are gonna keep churning out movies that make white people look good and minorities look bad 'cause thats what sells..
This isn't entirely true. It's not just a matter of a movie being successful, but it's a matter of how that movie's success is interpreted. And generally speaking, when a movie by white filmmakers with Asian content is a success, its success is attributed to its white talent. But when such a film flops, its failure is attributed to its Asian content.

For example, after The Last Emperor became such a surprise hit in the late '80s, its director, Bernardo Bertolucci, instantly moved on to other high-profile projects, but the careers of the film's Asian cast (none of whom were so much as nominated for any Oscars in this multiple-Oscar-winning movie) stalled. The Last Emperor's star, John Lone, ended up playing Asian bad guys in Hollywood potboilers. By contrast, after Come See the Paradise bombed at the box office, its director and star, Alan Parker and Dennis Quaid respectively, still moved on to other major projects, while the careers of the Asian cast members went back to square one.

And did the success of The Joy Luck Club inspire Hollywood to make another feature film about Asian Americans? Oh, no. Hollywood's thinking was, "If a series of mother-daughter stories with Asians was so successful, just think how much more successful a series of mother-daughter stories with white people will be!" So, instead of following up The Joy Luck Club with more movies about Asians, Hollywood followed it up with How to Make an American Quilt, basically a Caucasian Joy Luck Club, which even though it boasted such well-known stars as Wynona Ryder, wasn't half as successful.

So, is it all a matter of "what sells"? No, Hollywood is run by white men for white men. And the movies reflect this...

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 06:58 PM
you must think i'm saying that AF are the one who cooks cleans etc.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!

I'm saying that that IS what you are stereotyped to be.

our stereotypes as males are far worse. That is all i said isn't it? read it again.

It is easier for you to deal w/ your stereotypical role than it is for us asian males get it?

you(af) will be looked upon and prejudged in this way.

w/ us(am) basically the opposite and worse.
Look. I know what I am stereotyped to be. Does it seem like I care at ALL about it? Why do you guys make such a huge deal about stereotypes??? I don't understand why you think girls have it so much easier, THEY DON'T. Maybe I just know better than to let anybody TELL me who I am. Nothing is going to happen if you complain about it, why don't you just go out there and prove the goddamn world wrong??? NO matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, stereotypes will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. What's important is the way you act. What's important is to ignore whatever little racist attitudes you might have in your mind and go out into the world treating everybody the way they need to be treated. Living in a racist society, everybody and their moms has at least a FEW racist thoughts in their head, but as far as I know, we still live in a nation that allows FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. What's important is that you allow your INTELLIGENCE to tell you that those thoughts are simply the result of your own ethnocentricity and are not valid.

And by the way, maybe if YOUR friends are the type to write off people because of their race, you should just get new friends.

Sorry to say this, but sometimes I think Asians are the ones promoting more stereotypes and close-minded thoughts than white people. Actually, scratch the "sometimes."
hmmm... freedom of thought right? then i think we are perfectly within our right to make a huge deal over stereotypes. :)

i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves...

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 14 2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 06:58 PM
you must think i'm saying that AF are the one who cooks cleans etc.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!

I'm saying that that IS what you are stereotyped to be.

our stereotypes as males are far worse. That is all i said isn't it? read it again.

It is easier for you to deal w/ your stereotypical role than it is for us asian males get it?

you(af) will be looked upon and prejudged in this way.

w/ us(am) basically the opposite and worse.
Look. I know what I am stereotyped to be. Does it seem like I care at ALL about it? Why do you guys make such a huge deal about stereotypes??? I don't understand why you think girls have it so much easier, THEY DON'T. Maybe I just know better than to let anybody TELL me who I am. Nothing is going to happen if you complain about it, why don't you just go out there and prove the goddamn world wrong??? NO matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, stereotypes will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. What's important is the way you act. What's important is to ignore whatever little racist attitudes you might have in your mind and go out into the world treating everybody the way they need to be treated. Living in a racist society, everybody and their moms has at least a FEW racist thoughts in their head, but as far as I know, we still live in a nation that allows FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. What's important is that you allow your INTELLIGENCE to tell you that those thoughts are simply the result of your own ethnocentricity and are not valid.

And by the way, maybe if YOUR friends are the type to write off people because of their race, you should just get new friends.

Sorry to say this, but sometimes I think Asians are the ones promoting more stereotypes and close-minded thoughts than white people. Actually, scratch the "sometimes."
hmmm... freedom of thought right? then i think we are perfectly within our right to make a huge deal over stereotypes. :)

i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves...
Fine, I'll tell you what I think:

Stereotypes can never be fully eliminated. There is without a doubt absolutely NO way you can destroy a stereotype in EVERYBODY's mind at once. Stereotypes are only crushed person by person, one mind at a time. I think that by living your life according to the way YOU want to live it, not by some way people think you're supposed to, you're destroying that stereotype in the mind of everybody you come into contact with. If everybody just worked hard to disgregard stereotypes and live their lives the way they want to live them, people would stop, look around, and say "hey... I've never met a single Asian person who fit into that stereotype." BOOM. We're done with it. There's no need to get all upset and angry. Realize that stereotypes are a part of living in a racist society. We as Asians have stereotypes against whites (obviously...), blacks, mexicans, other Asians... These stereotypes obviously aren't going anywhere until people stop fitting into them.

And.... "i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves..."
^-- What? I don't understand that statement. Yes, I couldn't give a crap about stupid "Asian girl" stereotypes. Nobody I know believes them, or at least will admit or let on that they believe them to me. They know better than to say that kind of shit to me. And I'm not complaining about other people bitching about stereotypes, I am simply expressing my freedom of belief that their way of going about trying to break those stereotypes isn't my way.

[ChairmanMah]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:11 PM

Look. I know what I am stereotyped to be. Does it seem like I care at ALL about it? Why do you guys make such a huge deal about stereotypes???

I don't understand why you think girls have it so much easier, THEY DON'T. Maybe I just know better than to let anybody TELL me who I am. Nothing is going to happen if you complain about it, why don't you just go out there and prove the goddamn world wrong???

NO matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, stereotypes will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. What's important is the way you act. What's important is to ignore whatever little racist attitudes you might have in your mind and go out into the world treating everybody the way they need to be treated. Living in a racist society, everybody and their moms has at least a FEW racist thoughts in their head, but as far as I know, we still live in a nation that allows FREEDOM OF THOUGHT.

What's important is that you allow your INTELLIGENCE to tell you that those thoughts are simply the result of your own ethnocentricity and are not valid.

And by the way, maybe if YOUR friends are the type to write off people because of their race, you should just get new friends.

Sorry to say this, but sometimes I think Asians are the ones promoting more stereotypes and close-minded thoughts than white people. Actually, scratch the "sometimes."
thanx for the lecture...it's not a big deal really. s.types that is. you are blowing it out of proportion. It seems you're angrier than i am.

You may not have it easier but you do have that option to sell yourself out. Guys don't have that option.

Don't accuse me of being racist. I didn't create racism for myself. Yes everyone does have racist thoughts in their head including your bf.

I have many acquantances. Friends of friends, partygoers etc. it's all a big network growing up in one area. Some are more tolerant of asains some not so much. others plain outright racist., i've experienced it all to a disheartenign degree.

Sorry if i'm not surrounded by nice white dudes that want to screw me. More like screw me over.

You are so protective.i'm not dirceting any of this toward you're little IR. Again off topic. Read the topic and quite attacdking me.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by digiaks@Oct 14 2002, 01:10 AM
Lucy is usually in strong rolls.
buttered and served hot?

j/k sorry... couldn't resist

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 14 2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 06:58 PM
you must think i'm saying that AF are the one who cooks cleans etc.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!

I'm saying that that IS what you are stereotyped to be.

our stereotypes as males are far worse. That is all i said isn't it? read it again.

It is easier for you to deal w/ your stereotypical role than it is for us asian males get it?

you(af) will be looked upon and prejudged in this way.

w/ us(am) basically the opposite and worse.
Look. I know what I am stereotyped to be. Does it seem like I care at ALL about it? Why do you guys make such a huge deal about stereotypes??? I don't understand why you think girls have it so much easier, THEY DON'T. Maybe I just know better than to let anybody TELL me who I am. Nothing is going to happen if you complain about it, why don't you just go out there and prove the goddamn world wrong??? NO matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, stereotypes will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. What's important is the way you act. What's important is to ignore whatever little racist attitudes you might have in your mind and go out into the world treating everybody the way they need to be treated. Living in a racist society, everybody and their moms has at least a FEW racist thoughts in their head, but as far as I know, we still live in a nation that allows FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. What's important is that you allow your INTELLIGENCE to tell you that those thoughts are simply the result of your own ethnocentricity and are not valid.

And by the way, maybe if YOUR friends are the type to write off people because of their race, you should just get new friends.

Sorry to say this, but sometimes I think Asians are the ones promoting more stereotypes and close-minded thoughts than white people. Actually, scratch the "sometimes."
hmmm... freedom of thought right? then i think we are perfectly within our right to make a huge deal over stereotypes. :)

i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves...
Fine, I'll tell you what I think:

Stereotypes can never be fully eliminated. There is without a doubt absolutely NO way you can destroy a stereotype in EVERYBODY's mind at once. Stereotypes are only crushed person by person, one mind at a time. I think that by living your life according to the way YOU want to live it, not by some way people think you're supposed to, you're destroying that stereotype in the mind of everybody you come into contact with. If everybody just worked hard to disgregard stereotypes and live their lives the way they want to live them, people would stop, look around, and say "hey... I've never met a single Asian person who fit into that stereotype." BOOM. We're done with it. There's no need to get all upset and angry. Realize that stereotypes are a part of living in a racist society. We as Asians have stereotypes against whites (obviously...), blacks, mexicans, other Asians... These stereotypes obviously aren't going anywhere until people stop fitting into them.

And.... "i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves..."
^-- What? I don't understand that statement. Yes, I couldn't give a crap about stupid "Asian girl" stereotypes. Nobody I know believes them, or at least will admit or let on that they believe them to me. They know better than to say that kind of shit to me. And I'm not complaining about other people bitching about stereotypes, I am simply expressing my freedom of belief that their way of going about trying to break those stereotypes isn't my way.
you are assuming that you can either choose to destroy/minimize stereotypes as a living example OR do it by speaking out against it, instead of being able to do BOTH. living by example is a must, but you have to realize that the majority of white americans actually don't know ANY asian people personally.

i want...

- white people to know that yes, there is a big difference between chinese, koreans, japanese, etc, that we're not "all the same".

- white people to know that many asian americans were born and raised in america and can actually relate better to THEM than asians in asia.

- that no, i don't know kungfu.

etc etc

and you know what, white people have assumed falsely of me all of the above. if they had not came into contact with me, they would never know any different. and yes, in many cases, i am the ONLY asian person they know. living by example is great and it was by chance that these white people i know came to know me, but if they hadn't known me, guess what, they'd fully believe in many asian stereotypes. and you know, the media has the power to change this.

[deez nuts]

Wow, I finally finished reading thru all of it. Eye's burning like hell :blink:

[bwc]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 14 2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 06:58 PM
you must think i'm saying that AF are the one who cooks cleans etc.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!

I'm saying that that IS what you are stereotyped to be.

our stereotypes as males are far worse. That is all i said isn't it? read it again.

It is easier for you to deal w/ your stereotypical role than it is for us asian males get it?

you(af) will be looked upon and prejudged in this way.

w/ us(am) basically the opposite and worse.
Look. I know what I am stereotyped to be. Does it seem like I care at ALL about it? Why do you guys make such a huge deal about stereotypes??? I don't understand why you think girls have it so much easier, THEY DON'T. Maybe I just know better than to let anybody TELL me who I am. Nothing is going to happen if you complain about it, why don't you just go out there and prove the goddamn world wrong??? NO matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, stereotypes will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. What's important is the way you act. What's important is to ignore whatever little racist attitudes you might have in your mind and go out into the world treating everybody the way they need to be treated. Living in a racist society, everybody and their moms has at least a FEW racist thoughts in their head, but as far as I know, we still live in a nation that allows FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. What's important is that you allow your INTELLIGENCE to tell you that those thoughts are simply the result of your own ethnocentricity and are not valid.

And by the way, maybe if YOUR friends are the type to write off people because of their race, you should just get new friends.

Sorry to say this, but sometimes I think Asians are the ones promoting more stereotypes and close-minded thoughts than white people. Actually, scratch the "sometimes."
hmmm... freedom of thought right? then i think we are perfectly within our right to make a huge deal over stereotypes. :)

i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves...
Fine, I'll tell you what I think:

Stereotypes can never be fully eliminated. There is without a doubt absolutely NO way you can destroy a stereotype in EVERYBODY's mind at once. Stereotypes are only crushed person by person, one mind at a time. I think that by living your life according to the way YOU want to live it, not by some way people think you're supposed to, you're destroying that stereotype in the mind of everybody you come into contact with. If everybody just worked hard to disgregard stereotypes and live their lives the way they want to live them, people would stop, look around, and say "hey... I've never met a single Asian person who fit into that stereotype." BOOM. We're done with it. There's no need to get all upset and angry. Realize that stereotypes are a part of living in a racist society. We as Asians have stereotypes against whites (obviously...), blacks, mexicans, other Asians... These stereotypes obviously aren't going anywhere until people stop fitting into them.

And.... "i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves..."
^-- What? I don't understand that statement. Yes, I couldn't give a crap about stupid "Asian girl" stereotypes. Nobody I know believes them, or at least will admit or let on that they believe them to me. They know better than to say that kind of shit to me. And I'm not complaining about other people bitching about stereotypes, I am simply expressing my freedom of belief that their way of going about trying to break those stereotypes isn't my way.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Do not assume that people in this world are perfect, and in this case, your boyfriend. Though you might be focused upon just his personality, you have NO POSSIBLE WAY to look into his mind.
Thus your defense can all be boiled down to a crockload of BULLSHIT because you are obviously blind to the events surrounding yourself and thus your arguments should have no validity.

[digiaks]

One thing that is true is that their is more love for Asian women in society then for Asian guys. It is unfortunate we have all these negative stereotypes. All we can do is educate people and let them know wrong that is done when people pre-judge another.

[mydnyht]

In general, it's probably just a stereotype against women, wholly... right now, I'm reading 'The Tale of Genji' by Murasaki Shikibu (sp?) and the way they treat women... is... well.... it seems like all they do is find someone to screw for the nite, and they see multiple women at a time, but if one of their bed partners is with another guy, they get all mad, and they want someone who will keep their mouth shut and not disobey them... it's rank.

[mydnyht]

And another thing... Hollywood is FULL of stereotypes... if one took away every single insulting or stereotypical thing out of Hollywood... there'd be nothing left. Unfortunately, that's life. It all really depends on what way you're looking at it: the men taking advantage of the women, or the women being smart enough to be in a successful interracial relationship.
And, heck, isn't it a stereotype for women EVERYWHERE to be mild and good-mannered? One way of looking at it is that other chicks have gotten their say when it comes to kicking butt, and now it's just someone else's turn.

[mydnyht]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 PM
And if you think for one MINUTE that just because I'm an Asian girl I don't have to work hard for ANYTHING, you are so wrong that I want to puke on myself. Asian girls are not "YOUR OWN" women! I HOPE that is a kick in the nuts. NO women are YOUR women. I refuse to allow you to believe that even MOST Asian women are submissive wives. My mother worked too hard to show me that two parents can both work, raise kids, and keep a damn clean house for me to turn out that way.


Haha... my BEST FRIEND in the whole world is Chinese - her mom is too (dunno wot her dad is) - and it's her MOM that works hard hours as a pediatrician, goes out late, and 'brings home the bacon', so-to-speak. And there's a difference between being nice and sickeningly mild... Ashley, my friend, is a wicked sweetie, always polite, but when I'm telling her about how I had a hard day, or that someone was a jerk to me, she loses it and goes all out... "Ohh, I'm gonna kick their ass..." It's like a whole Jeckyll & Hyde persona. Just like me... we can't stand ppl messing with our buds. :D She's definitely not one to lay back and let things happen... she has her say, and she makes sure that it gets heard.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by bwc@Oct 14 2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 14 2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 14 2002, 06:58 PM
you must think i'm saying that AF are the one who cooks cleans etc.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!

I'm saying that that IS what you are stereotyped to be.

our stereotypes as males are far worse. That is all i said isn't it? read it again.

It is easier for you to deal w/ your stereotypical role than it is for us asian males get it?

you(af) will be looked upon and prejudged in this way.

w/ us(am) basically the opposite and worse.
Look. I know what I am stereotyped to be. Does it seem like I care at ALL about it? Why do you guys make such a huge deal about stereotypes??? I don't understand why you think girls have it so much easier, THEY DON'T. Maybe I just know better than to let anybody TELL me who I am. Nothing is going to happen if you complain about it, why don't you just go out there and prove the goddamn world wrong??? NO matter what, NO MATTER WHAT, stereotypes will ALWAYS exist. ALWAYS. What's important is the way you act. What's important is to ignore whatever little racist attitudes you might have in your mind and go out into the world treating everybody the way they need to be treated. Living in a racist society, everybody and their moms has at least a FEW racist thoughts in their head, but as far as I know, we still live in a nation that allows FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. What's important is that you allow your INTELLIGENCE to tell you that those thoughts are simply the result of your own ethnocentricity and are not valid.

And by the way, maybe if YOUR friends are the type to write off people because of their race, you should just get new friends.

Sorry to say this, but sometimes I think Asians are the ones promoting more stereotypes and close-minded thoughts than white people. Actually, scratch the "sometimes."
hmmm... freedom of thought right? then i think we are perfectly within our right to make a huge deal over stereotypes. :)

i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves...
Fine, I'll tell you what I think:

Stereotypes can never be fully eliminated. There is without a doubt absolutely NO way you can destroy a stereotype in EVERYBODY's mind at once. Stereotypes are only crushed person by person, one mind at a time. I think that by living your life according to the way YOU want to live it, not by some way people think you're supposed to, you're destroying that stereotype in the mind of everybody you come into contact with. If everybody just worked hard to disgregard stereotypes and live their lives the way they want to live them, people would stop, look around, and say "hey... I've never met a single Asian person who fit into that stereotype." BOOM. We're done with it. There's no need to get all upset and angry. Realize that stereotypes are a part of living in a racist society. We as Asians have stereotypes against whites (obviously...), blacks, mexicans, other Asians... These stereotypes obviously aren't going anywhere until people stop fitting into them.

And.... "i mean look... you are complaining that others are complaining about stereotypes... but you say you don't care about the stereotypes themselves..."
^-- What? I don't understand that statement. Yes, I couldn't give a crap about stupid "Asian girl" stereotypes. Nobody I know believes them, or at least will admit or let on that they believe them to me. They know better than to say that kind of shit to me. And I'm not complaining about other people bitching about stereotypes, I am simply expressing my freedom of belief that their way of going about trying to break those stereotypes isn't my way.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Do not assume that people in this world are perfect, and in this case, your boyfriend. Though you might be focused upon just his personality, you have NO POSSIBLE WAY to look into his mind.
Thus your defense can all be boiled down to a crockload of BULLSHIT because you are obviously blind to the events surrounding yourself and thus your arguments should have no validity.
you will cease and desist in attacking someone's personal life immediately.

[mydnyht]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 03:07 PM
you will cease and desist in attacking someone's personal life immediately.
Yes, ma'am.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by mydnyht@Oct 15 2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 03:07 PM
you will cease and desist in attacking someone's personal life immediately.
Yes, ma'am.
Hahahaha.... MK is a ma'am. I am so loving this.

[angel nympho]

thanx for the lecture...it's not a big deal really. s.types that is. you are blowing it out of proportion. It seems you're angrier than i am.
Okay, but it seemed to me that you guys were getting all worked up over the fact that people hold stereotypes against you, and I was just trying to say that stereotypes don't matter. So... I don't think stereotypes are a big deal, obviously. I'm mad because nobody seems to understand a word I say. When people respond to my posts, nobody seems to address what I'm saying.
You may not have it easier but you do have that option to sell yourself out. Guys don't have that option.
Define "sell yourself out"? I've been accused of being a sell-out for dating a white guy enough times to know what that usually means...
Don't accuse me of being racist. I didn't create racism for myself. Yes everyone does have racist thoughts in their head including your bf.
I never said he was a saint.
Sorry if i'm not surrounded by nice white dudes that want to screw me. More like screw me over.
Me, too. What's your point?
You are so protective.i'm not dirceting any of this toward you're little IR. Again off topic. Read the topic and quite attacdking me.
You attacked ME. "Your little IR." Um. Yeah, that's not a comment aimed to make me feel shitty. I can be protective of my beliefs if I want to be. It's one thing to attack me, don't even TRY to attack HIM.

[angel nympho]

you are assuming that you can either choose to destroy/minimize stereotypes as a living example OR do it by speaking out against it, instead of being able to do BOTH. &nbsp;living by example is a must, but you have to realize that the majority of white americans actually don't know ANY asian people personally.
i want...

- white people to know that yes, there is a big difference between chinese, koreans, japanese, etc, that we're not "all the same".

- white people to know that many asian americans were born and raised in america and can actually relate better to THEM than asians in asia.

- that no, i don't know kungfu.

etc etc

and you know what, white people have assumed falsely of me all of the above. &nbsp;if they had not came into contact with me, they would never know any different. &nbsp;and yes, in many cases, i am the ONLY asian person they know. &nbsp;living by example is great and it was by chance that these white people i know came to know me, but if they hadn't known me, guess what, they'd fully believe in many asian stereotypes. &nbsp;and you know, the media has the power to change this.
I'm just saying that if these white Americans who don't know any Asian people personally, saw you on TV speaking out against stereotypes, they wouldn't change their minds. The only way to REALLY push an idea out of somebody's head is to prove it wrong.
I just don't think the media has the power to change this. I think only WE have the power to change this. Some people will always go through life thinking they are better than everybody else, and that's a problem that can't be solved by just the media.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by bwc@Oct 14 2002, 11:49 PM
Wake up and smell the coffee. Do not assume that people in this world are perfect, and in this case, your boyfriend. Though you might be focused upon just his personality, you have NO POSSIBLE WAY to look into his mind.
Thus your defense can all be boiled down to a crockload of BULLSHIT because you are obviously blind to the events surrounding yourself and thus your arguments should have no validity.
Wow, buddy, I really wish nobody edited your post. That was an EXCELLENT comment. Exactly what is it about my username and my opinions that turns me into a slut? After I jsut got done in earlier posts commenting on the way I feel about that word. Wow. And I really enjoyed the fact that you probably hadn't even read a goddamn word of anything I said. I've dated ONE white guy. ONE. Oh baby, I'm such a slut for white cock.

Again, I never said my boy is some kind of saint. And you're right, I have NO way of looking into his mind. But you know what? I'M dating him. NOT you. I'VE known him for years. NOT you. Maybe YOU have no way of looking into his mind, but I think I've got a better view of it than you do. So if you've got a problem with him, why don't you take it up with him instead of me?

[kimpossible]

To whoever this will apply to:

I understand and agree the issue of asexualized Asian males in the mainstream American media is an important one. But in the future, keep the nasty demeaning labels off of Asian females based on their relationships.

Not only do I not like seeing angel nympho personally attacked, but labeling all Asian women with white men in such a demeaning way is demeaning also to me because my mother is Asian and my father is white. Therefore, neither do I appreciate comments akin to sticking with your own kind.

There are other mixed raced Asians here beside myself. We are not abominations or products of slutty women. Let's keep the discussion centered on the media - not each other.

[kimpossible]

Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:16 PM
you are assuming that you can either choose to destroy/minimize stereotypes as a living example OR do it by speaking out against it, instead of being able to do BOTH. living by example is a must, but you have to realize that the majority of white americans actually don't know ANY asian people personally.
i want...

- white people to know that yes, there is a big difference between chinese, koreans, japanese, etc, that we're not "all the same".

- white people to know that many asian americans were born and raised in america and can actually relate better to THEM than asians in asia.

- that no, i don't know kungfu.

etc etc

and you know what, white people have assumed falsely of me all of the above. if they had not came into contact with me, they would never know any different. and yes, in many cases, i am the ONLY asian person they know. living by example is great and it was by chance that these white people i know came to know me, but if they hadn't known me, guess what, they'd fully believe in many asian stereotypes. and you know, the media has the power to change this.
I'm just saying that if these white Americans who don't know any Asian people personally, saw you on TV speaking out against stereotypes, they wouldn't change their minds. The only way to REALLY push an idea out of somebody's head is to prove it wrong.
I just don't think the media has the power to change this. I think only WE have the power to change this. Some people will always go through life thinking they are better than everybody else, and that's a problem that can't be solved by just the media.
i guess i disagree. i think we need the combination of proving stereotypes wrong through personal examples and we also need to stop the media from stereotyping. when i say i think the media has the power to change this, i don't mean some asian people appearing on TV and speaking out against it. i'm talking about stopping stereotypical portrayals. yes the media has the right to do as much stereotypical portrayals as they want, but in the same spirit of freedom of speech, we have the right to push the media in a direction that is less detrimental to our image.

[Arex]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 01:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
The problem with the latter solution is that it does nothing to affect Americans' perceptions of Asian Americans. If anything, I imagine it'd simply reinforce many Americans' twisted perception that we're all just a bunch of foreigners.

Alex



<!--EDIT|Arex|Oct 15 2002, 01:53 PM-->

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:16 PM
you are assuming that you can either choose to destroy/minimize stereotypes as a living example OR do it by speaking out against it, instead of being able to do BOTH. living by example is a must, but you have to realize that the majority of white americans actually don't know ANY asian people personally.
i want...

- white people to know that yes, there is a big difference between chinese, koreans, japanese, etc, that we're not "all the same".

- white people to know that many asian americans were born and raised in america and can actually relate better to THEM than asians in asia.

- that no, i don't know kungfu.

etc etc

and you know what, white people have assumed falsely of me all of the above. if they had not came into contact with me, they would never know any different. and yes, in many cases, i am the ONLY asian person they know. living by example is great and it was by chance that these white people i know came to know me, but if they hadn't known me, guess what, they'd fully believe in many asian stereotypes. and you know, the media has the power to change this.
I'm just saying that if these white Americans who don't know any Asian people personally, saw you on TV speaking out against stereotypes, they wouldn't change their minds. The only way to REALLY push an idea out of somebody's head is to prove it wrong.
I just don't think the media has the power to change this. I think only WE have the power to change this. Some people will always go through life thinking they are better than everybody else, and that's a problem that can't be solved by just the media.
i guess i disagree. i think we need the combination of proving stereotypes wrong through personal examples and we also need to stop the media from stereotyping. when i say i think the media has the power to change this, i don't mean some asian people appearing on TV and speaking out against it. i'm talking about stopping stereotypical portrayals. yes the media has the right to do as much stereotypical portrayals as they want, but in the same spirit of freedom of speech, we have the right to push the media in a direction that is less detrimental to our image.
Well, maybe I don't watch enough TV or whatever, but I really don't see half as much stereotypes being generated through the media as you guys all do. And I don't mean stuff that's already been done, I mean stuff going on now. I honestly think that the media changes when the attitude of the people in the nation changes. Until stereotypes don't sell anymore, the media won't change. I promise you that. For those white Americans who don't personally know Asian-Americans, that's fine. They just need to know ONE minority person. And if they don't... I can pretty much guarantee that just because they see them on TV, they won't forget that we're different. Not only do THEY point out their differences, but WE point them out as well. Stereotypes won't fade. But racist attitudes and behavior can if we get our butts out there and prove the world wrong about these stupid stereotypes. That way, it becomes almost taboo to ACT upon or even MENTION stereotypical attitudes. This kind of stuff takes time. Lots of it.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.
that is not entirely true, african american portrayal has come a loooong way since only a couple of decades ago. and the change came from black people pushing for better and more positive media portrayal. not that they receive a completely fair portrayal right now, but it's alot better than a couple of decades ago.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.
that is not entirely true, african american portrayal has come a loooong way since only a couple of decades ago. and the change came from black people pushing for better and more positive media portrayal. not that they receive a completely fair portrayal right now, but it's alot better than a couple of decades ago.
Yeah, I guess that's true. But who defines what is fair and what isn't? Us? Because the way it seems to me, sometimes it seems like some people want to see nothing BUT Asian people in the media. I don't know why it bothers me, but something about it seems weird. I liked growing up and watching the movies I did. I hate the fact that now everybody goes around bashing on them and telling me that I'm supposed to be insulted by them. I mean, I'm all for positive media portrayal, but what some people refer to as negative, I just don't see it. So who gets to decide?

[Arex]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 01:48 PM
[
Well, maybe I don't watch enough TV or whatever, but I really don't see half as much stereotypes being generated through the media as you guys all do. And I don't mean stuff that's already been done, I mean stuff going on now. I honestly think that the media changes when the attitude of the people in the nation changes. Until stereotypes don't sell anymore, the media won't change. I promise you that. For those white Americans who don't personally know Asian-Americans, that's fine. They just need to know ONE minority person. And if they don't... I can pretty much guarantee that just because they see them on TV, they won't forget that we're different. Not only do THEY point out their differences, but WE point them out as well. Stereotypes won't fade. But racist attitudes and behavior can if we get our butts out there and prove the world wrong about these stupid stereotypes. That way, it becomes almost taboo to ACT upon or even MENTION stereotypical attitudes. This kind of stuff takes time. Lots of it.
I think we can all agree that there're generally fewer stereotypical depictions of all ethnicities in the mainstream media than there were just a few years ago. But just because things are better doesn't mean things are as good as they can or should be.

And if you don't think mass media can have that great an effect on people's perceptions, where do you think the misconception in America that all "Orientals" know how to do "Karate" came from? I know it wasn't because all the Asians and Asian Americans were chillin in their front yards practicing their martial arts, that's for sure.

Alex

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.
that is not entirely true, african american portrayal has come a loooong way since only a couple of decades ago. and the change came from black people pushing for better and more positive media portrayal. not that they receive a completely fair portrayal right now, but it's alot better than a couple of decades ago.
Yeah, I guess that's true. But who defines what is fair and what isn't? Us? Because the way it seems to me, sometimes it seems like some people want to see nothing BUT Asian people in the media. I don't know why it bothers me, but something about it seems weird. I liked growing up and watching the movies I did. I hate the fact that now everybody goes around bashing on them and telling me that I'm supposed to be insulted by them. I mean, I'm all for positive media portrayal, but what some people refer to as negative, I just don't see it. So who gets to decide?
well i think when more positive portrayals come out of hollywood (and i do admit that it's been alot better than what was going on in the 80s), people would just naturally stop complaining because less and less people will find the portrayals negative or insulting.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Arex@Oct 15 2002, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 01:48 PM
[
Well, maybe I don't watch enough TV or whatever, but I really don't see half as much stereotypes being generated through the media as you guys all do. &nbsp;And I don't mean stuff that's already been done, I mean stuff going on now. &nbsp;I honestly think that the media changes when the attitude of the people in the nation changes. &nbsp;Until stereotypes don't sell anymore, the media won't change. &nbsp;I promise you that. &nbsp;For those white Americans who don't personally know Asian-Americans, that's fine. &nbsp;They just need to know ONE minority person. &nbsp;And if they don't... I can pretty much guarantee that just because they see them on TV, they won't forget that we're different. &nbsp;Not only do THEY point out their differences, but WE point them out as well. &nbsp;Stereotypes won't fade. &nbsp;But racist attitudes and behavior can if we get our butts out there and prove the world wrong about these stupid stereotypes. &nbsp;That way, it becomes almost taboo to ACT upon or even MENTION stereotypical attitudes. &nbsp;This kind of stuff takes time. &nbsp;Lots of it.
I think we can all agree that there're generally fewer stereotypical depictions of all ethnicities in the mainstream media than there were just a few years ago. But just because things are better doesn't mean things are as good as they can or should be.

And if you don't think mass media can have that great an effect on people's perceptions, where do you think the misconception in America that all "Orientals" know how to do "Karate" came from? I know it wasn't because all the Asians and Asian Americans were chillin in their front yards practicing their martial arts, that's for sure.

Alex
I thought it was just because martial arts originated in Asian countries. I think mass media does have an effect on people's perceptions, but I'm just saying that it has a lot less of an effect these days than it used to. If ALL you ever saw was Asians doing martial arts, then even I would probably think that all they DID was martial arts. But nowdays, you see Asians in the media doing a whole lot of stuff. I mean, even my boy told me that until he moved to California and went to high school that was 60% Asian, he was scared of them thinking they all knew Kung Fu or something. Then he got in a fight with one and beat the crap out of him and realized that it's not true. So I DO understand that the media DOES affect the way people think... but I'm also thinking that it's not the ONLY thing that affects the way people think. And I'm pretty convinced that until attitudes of the PEOPLE change, the media won't either. It's kind of like one of those "which came first, the chicken or the egg" type of situations in my mind. They both depend on each other... but one can't change until the other does. And the way I see it, it's easier to convince PEOPLE than the MEDIA... seeing as how the media is pretty much just out for the money. I am grateful for the media because I think it's obvious that they're making conscious efforts to put our image out there... I just think change has to be gradual, the way it has been. Like you said, we've come a long way. I don't think a change will happen overnight, I think these kinds of things take time... so I don't see the point in being angry at the media forever. I'd hate to have been one of the people working to further media consciousness, like 10 years ago. I'd never get to enjoy kickin' back and watching a movie or some good TV.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.
that is not entirely true, african american portrayal has come a loooong way since only a couple of decades ago. and the change came from black people pushing for better and more positive media portrayal. not that they receive a completely fair portrayal right now, but it's alot better than a couple of decades ago.
Yeah, I guess that's true. But who defines what is fair and what isn't? Us? Because the way it seems to me, sometimes it seems like some people want to see nothing BUT Asian people in the media. I don't know why it bothers me, but something about it seems weird. I liked growing up and watching the movies I did. I hate the fact that now everybody goes around bashing on them and telling me that I'm supposed to be insulted by them. I mean, I'm all for positive media portrayal, but what some people refer to as negative, I just don't see it. So who gets to decide?
well i think when more positive portrayals come out of hollywood (and i do admit that it's been alot better than what was going on in the 80s), people would just naturally stop complaining because less and less people will find the portrayals negative or insulting.
Understood. This is going to sound incredibly selfish, but I think it'll help you guys see why this kind of stuff just doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me because it doesnt affect MY life. What affects my life is the attitudes of the people I come into contact with. I'd much rather battle THEIR stereotypical attitudes than those of the media. I LIKE the media. I LIKE being able to watch movies, listen to music, and watch TV without having to analyze it all for what could be racially motivated. When something really sticks out that it's offensive, I'll do something about it... but for the most part, I don't see too much of that.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.
that is not entirely true, african american portrayal has come a loooong way since only a couple of decades ago. and the change came from black people pushing for better and more positive media portrayal. not that they receive a completely fair portrayal right now, but it's alot better than a couple of decades ago.
Yeah, I guess that's true. But who defines what is fair and what isn't? Us? Because the way it seems to me, sometimes it seems like some people want to see nothing BUT Asian people in the media. I don't know why it bothers me, but something about it seems weird. I liked growing up and watching the movies I did. I hate the fact that now everybody goes around bashing on them and telling me that I'm supposed to be insulted by them. I mean, I'm all for positive media portrayal, but what some people refer to as negative, I just don't see it. So who gets to decide?
well i think when more positive portrayals come out of hollywood (and i do admit that it's been alot better than what was going on in the 80s), people would just naturally stop complaining because less and less people will find the portrayals negative or insulting.
Understood. This is going to sound incredibly selfish, but I think it'll help you guys see why this kind of stuff just doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me because it doesnt affect MY life. What affects my life is the attitudes of the people I come into contact with. I'd much rather battle THEIR stereotypical attitudes than those of the media. I LIKE the media. I LIKE being able to watch movies, listen to music, and watch TV without having to analyze it all for what could be racially motivated. When something really sticks out that it's offensive, I'll do something about it... but for the most part, I don't see too much of that.
believe it or not, i do understand where you're coming from. it used to not bother me at all either. i mean i couldn't give a fuck back in high school. but now it bothers me. and it's not a choice. i am not choosing to be bothered/annoyed/angry at the media. it's simply how i feel.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.
that is not entirely true, african american portrayal has come a loooong way since only a couple of decades ago. and the change came from black people pushing for better and more positive media portrayal. not that they receive a completely fair portrayal right now, but it's alot better than a couple of decades ago.
Yeah, I guess that's true. But who defines what is fair and what isn't? Us? Because the way it seems to me, sometimes it seems like some people want to see nothing BUT Asian people in the media. I don't know why it bothers me, but something about it seems weird. I liked growing up and watching the movies I did. I hate the fact that now everybody goes around bashing on them and telling me that I'm supposed to be insulted by them. I mean, I'm all for positive media portrayal, but what some people refer to as negative, I just don't see it. So who gets to decide?
well i think when more positive portrayals come out of hollywood (and i do admit that it's been alot better than what was going on in the 80s), people would just naturally stop complaining because less and less people will find the portrayals negative or insulting.
Understood. This is going to sound incredibly selfish, but I think it'll help you guys see why this kind of stuff just doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me because it doesnt affect MY life. What affects my life is the attitudes of the people I come into contact with. I'd much rather battle THEIR stereotypical attitudes than those of the media. I LIKE the media. I LIKE being able to watch movies, listen to music, and watch TV without having to analyze it all for what could be racially motivated. When something really sticks out that it's offensive, I'll do something about it... but for the most part, I don't see too much of that.
believe it or not, i do understand where you're coming from. it used to not bother me at all either. i mean i couldn't give a fuck back in high school. but now it bothers me. and it's not a choice. i am not choosing to be bothered/annoyed/angry at the media. it's simply how i feel.
Well, I will absolutely not hesititate to voice my opinions when something is outright offensive. The only issue I have is that not very many things ARE outright offensive to me. I don't want to have to analyze something to DECIDE if it's offensive... just because everybody else thinks it is.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 15 2002, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 15 2002, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 15 2002, 08:38 PM
Okay, time to get this back on track to something more like a debate and less like Jerry Springer.

ChairmanMah> Do you think the answer to something like this is in Hollywood? Or do you think maybe the American audience developing a wider acceptance of foreign movies (both in make and language) would be a more positive solution? I would argue the latter.
I agree. If Hollywood tried to make a movie to cater to enraged Asian-Americans, they wouldn't get anything but criticism, anyway.

There's just no pleasing some people.
that is not entirely true, african american portrayal has come a loooong way since only a couple of decades ago. and the change came from blac