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Faithless
01-31-2005, 04:46 PM
Ummm, what in the hell were we fighting for, then?

Reason # 666 of why we shouldn't have gone it alone -- ungreatfulness.

Iraqis yearn for security enjoyed under Saddam (http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_2545475)
Article Last Updated: 01/30/2005 08:02:25 AM

By Jamal Halaby
AMMAN, Jordan — Dozens of nostalgic Iraqis gathered around a kiosk in downtown Amman on Saturday, singing patriotic songs and watching video clips of Saddam Hussein when he was in power.

Many said they longed for the security imposed by the ousted regime, glossing over the repression and brutality that came with it.

"These were the good old days, not because of Saddam, but because there was security and stability in Iraq," Mohammed Kadhem, 34, said as he watched images of Saddam on a small TV set up at the kiosk. The mustachioed ruler can be seen shooting a rifle, drinking coffee and presiding over a celebration.

Nearby, other Iraqi expatriates waited for a bus to take them to a local polling station to vote as Iraqis in 14 countries cast absentee ballots in their homeland's first free election in five decades. Ballots will be cast in Iraq today.

Voting was spirited in Jordan and posters promoting the parties of Iraq's interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi and interim President Ghazi al-Yawer adorned walls and light posts at intersections in Amman.

Many Iraqis expressed anger over the U.S.-led invasion and the violence that followed.

"I'm pained for what's taking place in my country," Wisam Jawad, 20, said as he stood outside the kiosk, watching a video of fighting between U.S.-led coalition forces and insurgents in Fallujah.

"The old system was better, because there was security and stability, but now there's no security, there's occupation, there's killing and violence, there's nothing but death."

Both Kadhem and Jawad voted but refused to say for whom.

Kiosk owner Ziad Hussein said his small business has thrived selling videos of Saddam and the Iraqi fighting, which are shipped from Fallujah.

"There's a big demand only among Iraqis for such videos, they love them, they come and ask specifically for them," he said.

He said he sells at least 150 video and audio discs a day, each for about $1.40.

He never sold more than 20 discs a day of his previous wares, popular English-language movies.

Hareth Amir, 24, said he enjoyed watching video clips of Saddam, but could not afford to buy them. He did not register to vote and decried the elections as a "mockery to Iraqis, to force us to do what the American occupiers want."

The crowd of Iraqis also chanted songs praising their country and called on fellow Arabs to help them rebuild their war-embattled nation.

Since Hussein started selling the videos three months ago, Jordanian police repeatedly arrested him, most recently last week for allegedly "inciting public sentiments," he said. "But I told them I show these videos not to arouse Iraqi feelings, but to sell, it's good for my business."

Jordanian security officials were not available for comment.

Mohammed Barakat, 58, owner of a poultry store next door, said police had closed down the kiosk and arrested Hussein and other workers several times after complaints from him and other neighbors about the "silly Saddam songs."

"They never give up, as soon as they're out of jail, they open up the kiosk again," he said.

nonamerasian
01-31-2005, 06:07 PM
It isn't suprising and is perhaps a trend.

I've heard that there was a similar "good ol' days" sentiment in Italy after Mussolini.

And I can't find the article, but there was something written perhaps two years ago on a survey of Whites AND Blacks in South Africa who thought the country was better under the good ol' days of apartheid.

I've heard people speak about some of the crappiest periods of American history as if they were better off during those periods than now.

Perhaps as time pasts, people diminish the negatives of history and yearn to bring back the positives.

hooligan
01-31-2005, 06:28 PM
But we've just had a great election!?

Did you hear that Bush is increasing death benefits to soldier's families? From 12,000 to 250,000? I just read this on fark.com. I don't know if it's true or not.

truMp
01-31-2005, 06:31 PM
But we've just had a great election!?

Did you hear that Bush is increasing death benefits to soldier's families? From 12,000 to 250,000? I just read this on fark.com. I don't know if it's true or not.
I doubt it, but you never know. Doesn't sound feasible though.

kasia
01-31-2005, 06:37 PM
I doubt it, but you never know. Doesn't sound feasible though.

why not?

hooligan
01-31-2005, 06:40 PM
why not?

The only source I found was Fox News and it's actually being proposed in the 2006 budget. It's not set in stone and the article was actually released by the Associated Press. This is probably the first thing that I've actually agreed with that he's done, but I wonder what pressured him to make such a proposal.

Back on topic, I honestly thought that distributing/exporting democracy is such world war 2 rhetoric now. The thing about how it was back then was that from my understanding Saddam had ideas closer in line with many Communist leaders. Not that he was the greatest guy in the world, but his ideas were secular and wanted to create some sort of socialist state.

Perhaps people were safer back then, especially without the daily attacks by the insurgents. I don't think the US forces there are able to keep the peace, especially since they're the ones targeted for the attacks.

Martino
02-01-2005, 11:47 AM
I guess someone sitting in a home without lighting or fresh water, whose hospital had been destroyed by a bomber, or mosque was destroyed by mortar fire, someone who has to listen to explosions going off every day, or hears that another minor government official has been assassinated, or twenty more trainee policemen has just been riddled with bullets ... and is worrying about whether to go to work and risk being shot by one of the multiple warring factions, all this might make someone nostalgic for the peaceful days under the old Dictator.

But ... strange as it is, it's a natural thing. For the present, they are worse off, the whole country is. But its a knee jerk reaction. people always look to the past, even the recent past, looking for some golden age. Those 'better days' rarely existed. These people are just wishing they weren't living in the middle of a battlefield, which is fair enough I guess.

Personally, I've had a change of mood on Iraq. The logic of the war was hopelessly wrong, as a lot of people here argued at the time, but it has happened now. Having watched those thoughtful and brave Iraqi's who actually went out to vote, I've started to think that the election could actually be the start of something good for the long, long, long-suffering people of Iraq.

Yeahman
02-01-2005, 12:55 PM
Personally, I've had a change of mood on Iraq. The logic of the war was hopelessly wrong, as a lot of people here argued at the time, but it has happened now. Having watched those thoughtful and brave Iraqi's who actually went out to vote, I've started to think that the election could actually be the start of something good for the long, long, long-suffering people of Iraq.
Yes, a lot of us disagreed with the war, but now that that's done, is there anyone here that wants to see it all fail?

MovingForward
02-08-2005, 02:18 PM
It is a sobering experience for me to invent an imaginary occupation of my land by fictional Nation A, complete with foreign language, demolition, disorientation, numbness to fear - I hope I will stomach this the day it happens here, which is not a farce to imagine with each passing decade of weaponry evolution and technology.

Martino
02-08-2005, 02:32 PM
It is a sobering experience for me to invent an imaginary occupation of my land by fictional Nation A, complete with foreign language, demolition, disorientation, numbness to fear - I hope I will stomach this the day it happens here, which is not a farce to imagine with each passing decade of weaponry evolution and technology.

Thanks for sharing that.

Emperor_Mike
02-08-2005, 04:39 PM
Personally, I've had a change of mood on Iraq. The logic of the war was hopelessly wrong, as a lot of people here argued at the time, but it has happened now. Having watched those thoughtful and brave Iraqi's who actually went out to vote, I've started to think that the election could actually be the start of something good for the long, long, long-suffering people of Iraq.

Good, good. It's nice to know that there are still some sane people left in the world. I cringe every time anti-war groups call for the troops to be withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan. To be sure, going into Iraq was a terrible idea, but pulling out now would be disastrous.

yoMAMA
04-14-2005, 11:21 PM
Saddam needs to be hanged.