Ever wished that you look more Asian?

[Smush]

Sometimes I do, it's easy to pass for Asian to Whites, but sometimes I get crap comments like "You're the whitest lookin Asian I've ever seen".

Because of this, I feel that sometimes it's harder to hang out with an "Azn crew" at school (guys and girls) because they might automatically assume I'm just another twinkie or somethin. Most my friends were of Indian (from India heritage.

[Lil' Jawn]

no

[VV o n g B a]

noare you hapa? if not, this question doesn't really apply to u... unless u wanna look LESS asian.

[Lil' Jawn]

are you hapa? if not, this question doesn't really apply to u... unless u wanna look LESS asian.
oh

[asvenus]

wtf @ lil'jawn...if youre full asian wot the hell you wanna look like??

anyway...smush i feel you, people determine so mcuh and make assumptions based on phenotype which is so effin annoying...at times i have wished i looked more like the 'race' that i am instead of whatever it is people decide i am that day....although when i have visited Asian countries (India/Pakistan) people tended to assume i was Asian alot which felt nice!! at the end of the day its how you feel, fuck wot anyone else thinks or deems you to be...

conversely my sister looks pretty much 100% asian and often wishes she looked more black because often she gets lots of shit from people who think shes an asian girl 'trying' to be black :rolleyes:

[Smush]

conversely my sister looks pretty much 100% asian and often wishes she looked more black because often she gets lots of shit from people who think shes an asian girl 'trying' to be black


Ouch, that must suck, especially if she gets problems from other girls about it.

True, it's really stupid when people always place another person into categories, especially when we don't even act the part.

[Mr.Lum]

I hate big round eyes. So ugly. Sometimes I wish my eyes were smaller and thiner, even though they're pretty small already.

[rice cracker]

Yeah, I wish I was a size 2 with straight hair.

[Emperor_Mike]

I *do* look more Asian than the "nauseatingly diverse grab-bag of genetic party favours" that constitute the other 40% or so of my heritage. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing largely depends on what day of the week it is and how much I've had to drink.

[Fireblade]

I'm not hapa, but I do have a friend that is hapa, and we've talked about this recently. For one reason or another, and mostly because of her viet side of the family, she feels that if she looked more asian, she would be more readily accepted by them. She constantly recieves comments such as, "Are you sure you're really vietnamese?" or "The only part of you that looks viet is your eyes. Aside from that, you're really white looking." And junk and so-forth.

She also feels as though people question her whenever she goes out with her mom, and tell people that yes, indeed, that is her mom, and she is part vietnamese. She does look white particularly, (unless you have hapa-dar, and you can kinda tell) and most people pass her off as white. I guess if everyone told you that you were white, and you had to grow up with that mentality, you'd feel like an outsider. Being that we both live in a largely diverse, yet asian-centric part of San Francisco, a white-looking hapa would constantly question: if looking more asian would have been better.

[Fireblade]

I'm not hapa, but I do have a friend that is hapa, and we've talked about this recently. For one reason or another, and mostly because of her viet side of the family, she feels that if she looked more asian, she would be more readily accepted by them. She constantly recieves comments such as, "Are you sure you're really vietnamese?" or "The only part of you that looks viet is your eyes. Aside from that, you're really white looking." And junk and so-forth.

She also feels as though people question her whenever she goes out with her mom, and tell people that yes, indeed, that is her mom, and she is part vietnamese. She does look white particularly, (unless you have hapa-dar, and you can kinda tell) and most people pass her off as white. I guess if everyone told you that you were white, and you had to grow up with that mentality, you'd feel like an outsider. Being that we both live in a largely diverse, yet asian-centric part of San Francisco, a white-looking hapa would constantly question: if looking more asian would have been better.

[Lolita]

It's weird for me...I have brown skin cuz of the sun and then I just attributed it to my dad being 1/2 black. But the truth is that I'm lighter than most Indonesians(Javanese), which is my other race. So like yeah I've come to terms w/ lighter skinned asians at my school, particularly Chinese and Korean, looking down on me. So before I would have answered this question 'yes' but in truth I'm about as asian as an Indonesian girl could get. The only real 'black' thing about me is my butt and curves cuz the Indonesian girls at my church are all stick figures. I have light brown skin, slanted eyes, and long dark hair. So yeah if you mean by asian as in lighter, like the 'stereotypical' asian, (stupid media) then yeah I would have wished to be more asian in the past.

[Chester]

I sometimes wish I didn't look like a mongoloid Japanese guy who goes to salons for body waves.

[kimpossible]

I just want to make note that Lolita is 16, so treat her stated age with what its due. In other words, none of you old guys get creepy with her. :smile:

[Smush]

asian as an Indonesian girl could get. The only real 'black' thing about me is my butt and curves cuz the Indonesian girls at my church are all stick figures. I have light brown skin, slanted eyes, and long dark hair.

:eek:

I just want to make note that Lolita is 16, so treat her stated age with what its due. In other words, none of you old guys get creepy with her.

:rolleyes:

But yes, I do notice that the media does have a big perception of many Asians as lighter skinned. Personally, I attribute looking more Asian as facial features, though it varies by ethnicity some.

[Craig]

I don't think I look "East" Asian enough.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I don't think I look "East" Asian enough.

Me neither. Some people have I said I look mixed cause I have a somewhat long nose, large eyes, and skin paler than most white people. I've always kinda wanted more stereotypical "Asian" looking eyes, although over the years I've grown to appreciate what I have.

[Hello_Tyger]

I think "Asian" or "Asiatic" eyes are way cool.

Cat-like.

[Hapa Meister]

I'm not hapa, but I do have a friend that is hapa, and we've talked about this recently. For one reason or another, and mostly because of her viet side of the family, she feels that if she looked more asian, she would be more readily accepted by them. She constantly recieves comments such as, "Are you sure you're really vietnamese?" or "The only part of you that looks viet is your eyes. Aside from that, you're really white looking." And junk and so-forth.

She also feels as though people question her whenever she goes out with her mom, and tell people that yes, indeed, that is her mom, and she is part vietnamese. She does look white particularly, (unless you have hapa-dar, and you can kinda tell) and most people pass her off as white. I guess if everyone told you that you were white, and you had to grow up with that mentality, you'd feel like an outsider. Being that we both live in a largely diverse, yet asian-centric part of San Francisco, a white-looking hapa would constantly question: if looking more asian would have been better.

San Francisco, eh!? If I were there, I'd give her some hapa love in more ways than one... ehehehehe :wink:

[Fireblade]

San Francisco, eh!? If I were there, I'd give her some hapa love in more ways than one... ehehehehe :wink:

Sorry, she doesn't date guys who think hapas are the shit.

[BeTheReds]

Sorry, she doesn't date guys who think hapas are the shit.

That's too bad, because the ones that are probably the MOST interested in her are probably hapa dudes who think hapas are the shit.

[Fireblade]

That's too bad, because the ones that are probably the MOST interested in her are probably hapa dudes who think hapas are the shit.

Nah, guys go up to her all the time. But she'd rather date guys that she knows from friends. She's not into the whole "complete stranger" encounters. As for the hapa thing, she got too many guys who think she looks exotic, and would rather be left alone, and based on the fact that guys wanna date her because she IS a hapa kinda fustrates her.

That, and I have to hear about it, cuz I'm her friend and all of that. Good thing she pays for my eats when we do go out for lunch or dinner.

[Hapa Meister]

Nah, guys go up to her all the time. But she'd rather date guys that she knows from friends. She's not into the whole "complete stranger" encounters. As for the hapa thing, she got too many guys who think she looks exotic, and would rather be left alone, and based on the fact that guys wanna date her because she IS a hapa kinda fustrates her.

That, and I have to hear about it, cuz I'm her friend and all of that. Good thing she pays for my eats when we do go out for lunch or dinner.

What are the ethnic backgrounds of most of these "strangers"? Were any of them hapa?

What have been her experiences with normal hapa guys and hapa guys that are hapa crazy (if any actually told her that)?

The nice thing about Hawaii is that a lot of hapas there are hapa crazy and really don't have as much of an issue with being exotisized since there's enough hapas there to somewhat reduce the exotisization w/ little worry about white dudes w/ some sort of fetish, i.e. no problem for hapas to get w/ hapas ASAP! :biggrin:

[Napoleon Chynamite]

The nice thing about Hawaii is that a lot of hapas there are hapa crazy and really don't have as much of an issue with being exotisized since there's enough hapas there to somewhat reduce the exotisization w/ little worry about white dudes w/ some sort of fetish, i.e. no problem for hapas to get w/ hapas ASAP! :biggrin:

Wait a minute. So it's okay for hapas in Hawaii to be hapa crazy or to exoticize other hapas in general but not okay for white dudes with a hapa or Asian fetish?

[yuuteya]

I think a look pretty Asian enough, like there no question in peoples minds that i have Asian descent, but just that my color is way too pale. I guess I look more Quata than Hapa :rolleyes:

[Smush]

Wait a minute. So it's okay for hapas in Hawaii to be hapa crazy or to exoticize other hapas in general but not okay for white dudes with a hapa or Asian fetish?
There aren't that many white dudes in Hawaii, and usually the ones who might have an Asian/hapa fetish are more like trying to be Asian themselves (Buddhism, etc) than trying to drag the girl into white culture.

I guess I look more Quata than Hapa
Same here, welcome to the club :wink:

[ValeN]

I'm half-Swede and half-Thai, but I've been mistaken for Korean too many times. I look very Asian, compared to other eurasians in my surroundings.

[hooligan]

I'm half-Swede and half-Thai, but I've been mistaken for Korean too many times. I look very Asian, compared to other eurasians in my surroundings.

I know a half-swede, half-korean at work. she looks ... latino.

[ValeN]

Lol. It's probably just my eyes. I do have the physique and build of a Swede, partial facial structure and definately the style. People associate Swedes with being blonde and blue eyed, that's really not the case. Swedes are notably darker than what is initially believed.

[Smush]

Lol. It's probably just my eyes. I do have the physique and build of a Swede, partial facial structure and definately the style. People associate Swedes with being blonde and blue eyed, that's really not the case. Swedes are notably darker than what is initially believed.

I agree, Norway is where the blondes are all at, from my experience. :rolleyes:

You aren't alone, a lot of Thai hapas and myself do have looks leaning on the Asian side. Could be since somewhat darker skin is dominant in SE Asia, many hapas with a parent from there would have darker skin than other hapas, thus all the other features carry along too.

[mr. x]

Lol. It's probably just my eyes. I do have the physique and build of a Swede, partial facial structure and definately the style. People associate Swedes with being blonde and blue eyed, that's really not the case. Swedes are notably darker than what is initially believed.
hey don't sweat it, a lot of people (particularly norwegians) think swedish guys are homosexuals

[Sagfairy]

I already look very asian. I'm pure Chinese, but people often mistaken me as a Korean, sometimes white/eurasian. They said that I have very western look except my eyes. The nose, the lips, the cheeckbones.. Even my own husband suspected I am part white. What a shock! You can check my profile picture and you be the judge. Gimme your opinion.

[rice cracker]

I already look very asian. I'm pure Chinese, but people often mistaken me as a Korean, sometimes white/eurasian. They said that I have very western look except my eyes. The nose, the lips, the cheeckbones.. Even my own husband suspected I am part white. What a shock! You can check my profile picture and you be the judge. Gimme your opinion.

are you hapa? if not, this question doesn't really apply to u... unless u wanna look LESS asian.

:rolleyes:

[Sagfairy]

Rice Cracker, would you care to explain me what is hapa??

[BeTheReds]

Rice Cracker, would you care to explain me what is hapa??


Hello Maryland! Welcome to YW.

While hapa might not be common lingo in that wonderful beautiful state of ours, it means basically someone who its ethnically Asian and also ethnically not Asian.

Basically a mixed person with Asian heritage.

By your statement of "I'm pure Chinese" one would assume that you mean your parents are both Chinese, in which case, you aren't a hapa.

Anyway, thanks for posting.

[Fireblade]

yep... love that arbitary, "oh I look so not my race" comments. :rolleyes:

anyway, real question: what benefits do you guys think you would have gotten if you did indeed looked more asian?

[BeTheReds]

yep... love that arbitary, "oh I look so not my race" comments. :rolleyes:

anyway, real question: what benefits do you guys think you would have gotten if you did indeed looked more asian?


Well, since most of us on this board do identify with our Asian sides more, (I mean, why else would we be on an AA Political site if we didn't care about the politcal state of AA's)...

I'd have a lot to gain. For instance, all those Asian dudes would stop staring at me when I am with my GF, thinking I am a white asiaphile and she's a sellout bitch.

In social gatherings around new people, I would be thought of as so and so's friend, rather than so and so's white friend.

Less surprise over the use of Korean language.

Basically, though I really don't know for sure, I'd have experienced less rejection from Asians and more racism from whites.

[Essence]

Wow I thought all Hapas would be happy that they fit the ideal beauty standards that asian people have: to be tall, white porcelain skin with big double eye lids and and a nice bone structure. I'm mixed laotian/cacausian and I'm as mixed as you can get. My mother who is Laotian could pass as a mixed latina if she wanted. I think she's the most beautiful thing in this whole wide world, but she feels that looking 'caucasian" is the only beauty. Beauty to her is to be as light as japanese ladies, and have the facial feature of a caucasian woman. So growing up she, or any of my asian relatives have never made me feel that looking asian would be better. They actually praised those who are mixed. I dont know how it is in all the other asian countries but thailand has gone crazy for mixed people. Because laos borders thailand they have been affected by that craze as well.

[BeTheReds]

Wow I thought all Hapas would be happy that they fit the ideal beauty standards that asian people have: to be tall, white porcelain skin with big double eye lids and and a nice bone structure.

We don't all come out looking like that...


I'm mixed laotian/cacausian and I'm as mixed as you can get. My mother who is Laotian could pass as a mixed latina if she wanted. I think she's the most beautiful thing in this whole wide world, but she feels that looking 'caucasian" is the only beauty. Beauty to her is to be as light as japanese ladies, and have the facial feature of a caucasian woman. So growing up she, or any of my asian relatives have never made me feel that looking asian would be better. They actually praised those who are mixed. I dont know how it is in all the other asian countries but thailand has gone crazy for mixed people. Because laos borders thailand they have been affected by that craze as well.

Well it certainly differs from country to country and as time passes what is chic changes. I'd say that there are a few mixed celebrities in each Asian country that everyone thinks are the shit, but all in all, the average mixed person in Asia doesn't have it easier, especially if the dad is not Asian.

[dontblush]

no, i never wished i looked more asian. i look really, really asian as it is already :D

[PatKerrigan]

i'm half irish and half vietnamese, i live in a predominantly white country, Ireland. I get mistaken for being italian/spanish/portugese/phillipino/mexican/fijian depending on my hairstyle. For many years i tried to fit in with the predominantly white western culture, as i was not made to feel valued as oriental. As a teenager i would try to blend in with white culture due to peer pressure and being brought up by a white single parent. My brother is alot whiter than me, and he was able to assimilate and be accepted better into white society, at the same time he is doted on in my father's home country, because he's european looking. My sister is whiter skinned but slightly more oriental looking than my brother, so she was able to fit in relatively easily. Which just left me the exotic looking tanned one. Nowadays white western society is abit more tolerant of half asian people even in Ireland and a minority of white people even adore more exotic/oriental looking people,though they're rare to find. It has taken me many years to embrace my oriental half, which i've discovered through martial arts, and now i couldn't be arsed trying to look more white/western . What matters most is that i am accepted by myself, if white people don't like my appearence it's their problem not mine.

[BeTheReds]

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www.eurasiannation.com

[Filiprish]

No. But I do wish people weren't so bubbleized that they think I'm "white" or can't speak English.

[Flow to Live]

pssssh! im a full blood vietnamese but some people think im half asian half white or even mexican/ portugese( which is werid) but whateva im a proud vietnamese but not too excessively pride.

[spokey co]

most poeple think im mexican, or just a really dark white boy:P,im really filipino greek.my best filipino feature is my hair, because its straight and wirey. otherwise people might classify me as white:O

[jongeh]

yes i do, because if you could definitely tell i was asian, there would be less questions and i would feel less like a white person trying to be asian. plus, i think a lot of full-blooded asians are more beautiful. but i can not really tell if people think i look more asian or more white anyways because it usually depends on the person.

[LaiSteve66]

I get mistaken for anything and everything, and I have fun messing with people.

[Wazza888]

Not really..I'm kinda happy with what I look now. In between

[Nightwish]

why would u wanna look more asian?

i think eurasians look best in between , or leaning white

[Craig]

why would u wanna look more asian?

i think eurasians look best in between , or leaning whiteWay to support the white power structure !!! Of course we know those people are so oppressed and need, love and accept our validation.

[Nightwish]

Way to support the white power structure !!! Of course we know those people are so oppressed and need, love and accept our validation.

it has nothing to do with power structure, i could care less about anarcho-crap about the 'elites' and liberating the proletariat

we are talking about phenotypes, and i think 50/50 eas or white looking eas are the most attractive

[grimfan]

why would u wanna look more asian?

i think eurasians look best in between , or leaning white
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BTW, what do you mean by "white"? Nordic (German, Swedish...)? Mediterranean (Spanish, Greek...)? Even Indians are Caucasians. Usually when we say more "Asian" looking, we think of Chinese, as opposed to Filipino or Polynesian.

I believe that you're not an inherent racist or white supremecist in stating that you think the "white" looks are the best. After all, I've heard of many other people who explicitly state that they prefer blacks, Asians, Latinos, Indians, etc. when it comes to the aesthetic department. The term "racist" never came ot my mind. "Narrow-minded", perhaps, but never something as damning as racist.

However, the problem with stating that you prefer "white", especially when you are of a non-white ethnicity, is that you have to realize who is creating all these images of beauty. I hate it when some people say that the beauty ideal we have now is Eurocentric, as if things like healthy hair, in-shape bodies, nice bone structure etc. are somehow inherent to Europeans. It implies that if we had something like an Asiacentric standard of beauty, we'd all look like mountain gorillas or something. I do believe in a universal standard of beauty, with slight variations that are influenced by culture.

Anyway, as I stated earlier, who creates these images of beauty? Hollywood? Major fashion companies? Clothing catalogues? The music industry? What I see in common amongst all of these is that they're mostly solely controlled by whites. Sure, Asia has its own entertainment industry, and its growing, but it doesn't have the worldwide reach of American, and even European media. Many old generation Asians are still greatly influenced by the old Hollywood glamour movies.

Minorities are, naturally, extremely insecure about their looks. Blacks, who were long portrayed as savagely dark-skinned with broad noses, are always on the lookout for that magical moment when such a caricature will be embraced by the mainstream white public as a beauty ideal. That's why they're so critical of successful blacks who are light-skinned or possess "white features". The same thing goes for Asians, who were long portrayed as short and slant-eyed. They too, like the blacks, await that long-suffered moment when their cruel caricatures will be accepted, thus validating their identity given to them by the white elite. Some Asian guys cry racism when they feel a hot non-Asian girl does not express the greatest enthusiasm for a short, socially awkward and average-looking Asian guy. Well, no guy of any race that's short, socially awkward, and average-looking will score much with hot girls, PERIOD. For every Asian guy here complaining about extreme racism in the dating field, they better look like Rick Yune or something, because if they're not, there's a good chance that you're getting turned down because you're ugly and unsociable, not because you're Asian.

But the fact of the matter is that these caricatures were drawn up for a reason: because they are in fact ugly. While the whites kept for themselves a broad range of beauty, they relegated the others into weird little niches that bordered on deformity. That way, everything beautiful was white while everything ugly was African, Asian, Jewish, etc. Of course, not all whites could be beautiful, but if they were hideous, it wasn't because of their white genes. If a non-white was ugly, it was because of their inherent ugliness. And if, god forbid, there was a handsome African or Asian, their system made it so that the aforementioned foreigner's good looks would be attributed to some weird connection with white facial features.

And it's still in work today. A tall, dark Asian man will most likely be deemed too white, more by Asians than by whites probably. These Asians have completely bought the white-packaged image of the Asian man, and in the name of enlightenment, demand that the world accept a racist caricature as a viable standard of beauty. As if. They sadly fail to realize that they've been led into a trap, where they spend all their lives trying to seek approval of an image they did not want nor create, but are fooled into thinking accurately represents them.

Saying that an Asian's too white because he or she has large eyes or prominent noses is about as accurate as saying a Sicilian's too Filipino because of his or her dark skin colour. Stop thinking of races and ethnicities as these neat little categories where intersections never happen. It's just bones for god's sake.

[Anaestacia]

I find it funny that this beloved Jongeh who has mentioned:

plus, i think a lot of full-blooded asians are more beautiful.

hasn't had his/her throat jumped down on with a thesis warning people of 'neat little categories', while our friend Nightwish has for merely saying the opposite.

[Nightwish]

^Hehe, thanks. Great point with the double standard.

I am not one of those minorities who was brainwashed to hate white people like many others are.

[Nightwish]

BTW, what do you mean by "white"? Nordic (German, Swedish...)? Mediterranean (Spanish, Greek...)? Even Indians are Caucasians

Indians are not white (european caucasians), even if they are caucasians. When I say white I mean white.

Anyway, as I stated earlier, who creates these images of beauty? Hollywood? Major fashion companies? Clothing catalogues? The music industry? What I see in common amongst all of these is that they're mostly solely controlled by whites.

Well technically, jews...many jews do not view themselves as simply "white" (and vice versa).

And I don't give a damn what hollywood shows me. I have my own two eyes. Europeans are simply more attractive than asians in my opinion and experiences. They have chromatic eyes, hair, and facial features I generally find more appealing.


blacks, who were long portrayed as savagely dark-skinned with broad noses

Uh, blacks ARE dark skinned, they DO have broad noses, and their hair is kinky. I find them the least attractive race, and that's my opinion.

same thing goes for Asians, who were long portrayed as short and slant-eyed.

Asians are on average, shorter than whites, and they do generally have epicanthic folds.


While the whites kept for themselves a broad range of beauty, they relegated the others into weird little niches that bordered on deformity. That way, everything beautiful was white while everything ugly was African, Asian, Jewish, etc. Of course, not all whites could be beautiful, but if they were hideous, it wasn't because of their white genes. If a non-white was ugly, it was because of their inherent ugliness.

Oh BS. More of the "whitey oppresses" us nonsense.


Saying that an Asian's too white because he or she has large eyes or prominent noses is about as accurate as saying a Sicilian's too Filipino because of his or her dark skin colour.

This is not a valid analogy because skin color is a bad barometer of race, while facial morphology is not.

[LaiSteve66]

why would u wanna look more asian?

i think eurasians look best in between , or leaning white

It's not always about physical attraction. If a half-Asian falls over to the Asian side, he may wish to look more Asian to have an easier time fitting in, and I speak from personal experience.

[Craig]

I find it funny that this beloved Jongeh who has mentioned:



hasn't had his/her throat jumped down on with a thesis warning people of 'neat little categories', while our friend Nightwish has for merely saying the opposite.Nice to know that Nightwish is your friend. However, comments toward his previous remark weren't only directed at what he said in that one remark, but the type of comments he has made in his other limited posts (including comments which I find very offensive toward black people). It was also directed at the way he responded by implying people looked better because of their white ancestry. Those comments weren't in isolation, I think whites look better or I think Asians look better, but ... saying something to the effect "Why would you want to look Asian" as if there is something wrong with people wanting to look Asian is different than saying "I think a lot of Asians look better".

[jongeh]

It's not always about physical attraction. If a half-Asian falls over to the Asian side, he may wish to look more Asian to have an easier time fitting in, and I speak from personal experience.

yeah, that was the main point of my comment. the other thing was just my personal opinion, not because i was "brainwashed to hate whites" .

[rice cracker]

Chillax, y'all.

[Nightwish]

It's not always about physical attraction. If a half-Asian falls over to the Asian side, he may wish to look more Asian to have an easier time fitting in, and I speak from personal experience.

Well, asians won't accept him as one of them. I personally admire eurasians, but asians (especially overseas) generally don't accept eurasians.

You gotta make peace with that.

[VV o n g B a]

Well, asians won't accept him as one of them. I personally admire eurasians, but asians (especially overseas) generally don't accept eurasians.yesh. thats why so many of them are models and actors. thats why asian parents often promote the idea that they are more beautiful than monoracial asians. yesh u must be correct.

[LaiSteve66]

Well, asians won't accept him as one of them. I personally admire eurasians, but asians (especially overseas) generally don't accept eurasians.

You gotta make peace with that.

Not where I live.

[grimfan]

Nightwish,

I too am a minority that does not instinctively blame all my problems on whites. Don't think of me as such.

You prefer the white look? Nothing wrong with that. There's just as many other people who prefer the looks of other races. But I'm asking you to be mindful of where that preference comes from. In American/western media, white people are the people who are portrayed as the most attractive all the time. Other races are sometimes purposely made out to be foils of ugliness, and that is designated as the norm. According to American media, there's like one attractive and desirable Asian man. But flip through an Asian magazine, and what do you see? It's all about representation.

I just wish the whole world would participate in one big unholy orgy. I'd dub it Project Fusion. Not only would it produce the most beautiful possible (from the huge range of genes to choose from), but we wouldn't have any of this racial phenotype nonsense.

[Nightwish]

In American/western media, white people are the people who are portrayed as the most attractive all the time

It's just "the media" to blame because people all over the world desire lighter skin and the chromatic beauty of whites? Beauty is more objective than you think.

Some famous black guy said "I would jump over 10 black women to get to one white woman".

I just wish the whole world would participate in one big unholy orgy. I'd dub it Project Fusion. Not only would it produce the most beautiful possible (from the huge range of genes to choose from), but we wouldn't have any of this racial phenotype nonsense.


That's absolutely disgusting and false. It is logistically impossible to breed 6 billion people to eliminate phenotype. You obviously don't know how genetics work.

Moreover, it is my opinion that most of the world is pretty freaking ugly. Why would I want hispanics and blacks in my gene pool?

[Anaestacia]

Nice to know that Nightwish is your friend. However, comments toward his previous remark weren't only directed at what he said in that one remark, but the type of comments he has made in his other limited posts (including comments which I find very offensive toward black people). It was also directed at the way he responded by implying people looked better because of their white ancestry. Those comments weren't in isolation, I think whites look better or I think Asians look better, but ... saying something to the effect "Why would you want to look Asian" as if there is something wrong with people wanting to look Asian is different than saying "I think a lot of Asians look better".

He's not my friend, neither do I agree with his attitude. I took his post as it was, without prior knowledge of his other posts. You do have to admit how ridiculous it sounds when someone is targeted for whichever skin colour/facial features they prefer.

[Chad]

Well, asians won't accept him as one of them. I personally admire eurasians, but asians (especially overseas) generally don't accept eurasians.

You gotta make peace with that.
Where do you get this crap from? I don't think you have any first-hand knowledge. Utter bullshit. People in Asia aren't so race-obsessed, language is more important.
Why are you even trying to participate in this forum? You have nothing of value to add here. Your experience in these matters = zero. Go to some other forum or website where people value your sophmoric white supremacist garbage theories.

[LaiSteve66]

yesh. thats why so many of them are models and actors. thats why asian parents often promote the idea that they are more beautiful than monoracial asians. yesh u must be correct.

Yeah, isn't it kind of funny how Sasha Singleton, who is half White, doesn't seem to have much problem finding acceptance in the APIA community?

Oh ho, look what we have here, another half White on the cover of the Asian American Magazine September issue http://www.aamag.net/last.htm

Yeah we really have a hard time finding acceptance.

[BeTheReds]

Well, asians won't accept him as one of them. .


Don't u think that that might be on a case by case basis, depending on the mixed individual's personality, and that of the asians in question as well?

[Nightwish]

Where do you get this crap from? I don't think you have any first-hand knowledge.

I am asian and I have lived in asia for most of my life.


Why are you even trying to participate in this forum? You have nothing of value to add here. Your experience in these matters = zero.

I think the same thing when I think of you.

Yeah, isn't it kind of funny how Sasha Singleton, who is half White, doesn't seem to have much problem finding acceptance in the APIA community?

Oh ho, look what we have here, another half White on the cover of the Asian American Magazine September issue http://www.aamag.net/last.htm

Of course americanized asians love eurasians. We get to claim them their generally more attractive phenotype as "one of us". Everyone loves eurasians in the western world.


(The struggles of being "gay and asian"? The "model minority myth? Riiight... :rolleyes: )


Yeah we really have a hard time finding acceptance.

More than you know, con-lai. I've seen the race mixed kids in Korean and Jap schools, it's not a pretty sight.

[Nightwish]

Don't u think that that might be on a case by case basis, depending on the mixed individual's personality, and that of the asians in question as well?

Yes.

But I am not talking about individual circumstances, I am talking about generalities. Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that there is no stigma about being mixed in Vietnam, Korea, or Japan?

I don't care about exceptions, I care about the GENERAL trend. Let's be honest here.

[grimfan]

Moreover, it is my opinion that most of the world is pretty freaking ugly. Why would I want hispanics and blacks in my gene pool?

Nightwish, you're bordering on trollism.

It's just "the media" to blame because people all over the world desire lighter skin and the chromatic beauty of whites? Beauty is more objective than you think.

Asians, and perhaps blacks, are the ones who are currently obsessed with lighter skin. The whites are trying to get darker and darker. Why is the ideal man considered tall, DARK, and handsome? Different people desire different shades of skin. I agree there are some universal beauty standards, but there are also many variables that shift as cultural and economic views change. Would Kate Moss be considered a beauty icon in any other time but now? Compare her with another beauty icon just 50 years ago: Marilyn Monroe.

This is not a valid analogy because skin color is a bad barometer of race, while facial morphology is not.

Scientifically, skin colour is crap in determining races, but it’s the most powerful factor in establishing racial social castes. If facial morphology were more important, then Indians would be generally accepted as whites, since their facial structure is nearly identical (Caucasoid). But Indians are a lot darker than Europeans, so they’re treated as a separate people.

What my main point is that we are socially conditioned to view the aesthetics of the whites in the most positive way possible, while peoples like Asians and blacks are portrayed in the worst way possible, to the point where they become caricatures (and who drew these caricatures, I wonder?). If non-whites were the dominant ones, then whites would be portrayed as pasty-skinned, balding, eyebrowless (because they’re so blonde) with big schnozzes. Like blacks with their broad noses and Asians and their slanted eyes, all these are attributes of many white people. But in our Eurocentric world, what do we see instead? Long, healthy, and flowing hair of all colours; shiny and radiant eyes; perfectly proportioned noses; strong builds. And so forth. And in the case of blacks and Asians, the positive features that they possess are either ignored or mutated to form the most unflattering image possible. Don’t tell me that this is the way that nature intended, for the best image of the whites to emerge as the standard while all other races are condemned.

You probably prefer the white look, and nothing I, nor anybody else, say will change that. Not that I care; what do I care whom you lust after? But hopefully, by acquiring a wider perspective in the concepts of beauty and who’s manipulating them, you’ll at least grow more sensitive and refrain from saying imbecilic things like, “I don’t want blacks or Hispanics in my gene pool”.

PS I know that certain buffoonish images of whites are prevalent, but they are used in the narrow specifics of comedy. And even though they exist, there are many more positive images to counter-balance the effect.

[grimfan]

I am asian and I have lived in asia for most of my life.

I can't help but feel your long residence in Asia has played a large role in your poor attitude towards blacks and Latinos (you called them Hispanics, but I'm pretty sure you meant Latinos; Hispanics would include Spaniards and Portugese). I don't know how correct I am in saying this, but it's my feeling that Asian Asians only care about Asians, and the ones who are one step ahead of the Asians, the whites. Screw all those bottom dwellers like blacks.

[Nightwish]

Nightwish, you're bordering on trollism.

Not really. That's my opinion. I find those groups aesthetically unattractive.


Asians, and perhaps blacks, are the ones who are currently obsessed with lighter skin

Along with Indians, hispanics, and...


The whites are trying to get darker and darker.

A tan is not the same as chemically bleaching your skin (which is popular in parts of Asia and Africa).

Why is the ideal man considered tall, DARK, and handsome?

That did not refer to dark skin. It was coined originally to refer to Cary Grant, a white man. It referred to dark hair.

Kate Moss be considered a beauty icon in any other time but now? Compare her with another beauty icon just 50 years ago: Marilyn Monroe.

I'd do 'em both. Chronologically relative, of course.

Scientifically, skin colour is crap in determining races, but it’s the most powerful factor in establishing racial social castes

Agreed.

If facial morphology were more important, then Indians would be generally accepted as whites, since their facial structure is nearly identical (Caucasoid). But Indians are a lot darker than Europeans, so they’re treated as a separate people.


There are various group within "caucasoid". Indians ARE a seperate people both culturally and genetically, even if they are caucasoids.

Moreover, the fact I (and most males) find Indians attractive far more attractive than black females shows that skin color is not the end-all be-all.

If non-whites were the dominant ones, then whites would be portrayed as pasty-skinned, balding, eyebrowless (because they’re so blonde) with big schnozzes. Like blacks with their broad noses and Asians and their slanted eyes, all these are attributes of many white people. But in our Eurocentric world, what do we see instead? Long, healthy, and flowing hair of all colours; shiny and radiant eyes; perfectly proportioned noses; strong builds.

No, you are overemphasizing "socialization" (like most lefties). During the Arab invasions across eurasia, guess which racial group was the most prized as sex slaves and concubines? White blondes.

by acquiring a wider perspective in the concepts of beauty and who’s manipulating them, you’ll at least grow more sensitive and refrain from saying imbecilic things like, “I don’t want blacks or Hispanics in my gene pool”.


I have my tastes, and you're right, nothing you can say will change that. And my tastes state that I find hispanics and blacks overwhelmingly unattractive physically.

[LaiSteve66]

More than you know, con-lai. I've seen the race mixed kids in Korean and Jap schools, it's not a pretty sight.

You wish you know more than me. I've heard enough horror stories of Vietnam born/raised My Lai to know they get treated like shit in Asia, but your ignorance of Asian American/Mixed Asian or any other race issue in America is blantently obvious.

The "model minority myth? Riiight...

Maybe you should try reading that article, you might learn something.

[BeTheReds]

Yes.

But I am not talking about individual circumstances, I am talking about generalities. Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that there is no stigma about being mixed in Vietnam, Korea, or Japan?

I don't care about exceptions, I care about the GENERAL trend. Let's be honest here.


Well if u want to support that we should all be looked at in generalities then go ahead and have that view.

I'm not denying that the stygma exists at all, but I also think that there is more to it than that. Why let the generality define you? Wouldn't you rather re-define the generality?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

It's just "the media" to blame because people all over the world desire lighter skin and the chromatic beauty of whites? Beauty is more objective than you think.

Some famous black guy said "I would jump over 10 black women to get to one white woman".

Oh and I suppose the tastes of this one black guy are to be deemed representative despite the countless other people who prefer mates of the same race or ethnicity, or those fat white guys that lust after non-white women. And what the fuck does chromatic mean, lmfao. Let me tell you something, my skin is lighter and my eyes are larger than the vast majority of all white people and I have never once heard a white person express envy at this after an entire upbringing around whites, they all tell me I need to tan. The only jealousy I get is from some Asians from Asia who, surprise surprise, have different ideas of what constitutes beauty.

Not really. That's my opinion. I find those groups aesthetically unattractive.

That's fine, shitbrick. But then why do you have to go and imply that your opinion and tastes are somehow tied to some "objective" standard of beauty, which basically discredits the tastes and beauty standards of those that aren't in line with yours? This along with comments like "Why would I want hispanics or blacks in my gene pool" reveals how you view people who have God forbid different preferences from your own.

Why hasn't Pearl Jam Hitler been banned yet? You're an asswipe loser, but that's just my opinion. Therefore I'm not trolling.

[Nightwish]

And what the fuck does chromatic mean

Use the dictionary.


That's fine, shitbrick.

Why hasn't Pearl Jam Hitler been banned yet? You're an asswipe loser

You've flamed me like a little child on every single thread...and you demand that I be banned?

That's comedy gold.

But then why do you have to go and imply that your opinion and tastes are somehow tied to some "objective" standard of beauty, which basically discredits the tastes and beauty standards of those that aren't in line with yours?

Because there are objective standards of beauty?


This along with comments like "Why would I want hispanics or blacks in my gene pool" reveals how you view people who have God forbid different preferences from your own.

No, it shows how I aesthetically view those of a different phenotype.

[Nightwish]

Why let the generality define you?

Who said I do? For the purpose of abstract thinking, we cannot get tied up in the emotionalism of individual circumstances. I, personally, view eurasians as aesthetically superior even though I am not one. I don't have a problem with eurasians (except maybe their tendency to be flamingly liberal moreso than regular asians)...but the truth is that there is a stigma attached with being a half-breed in asia.

Wouldn't you rather re-define the generality?

Impossible for an individual to do, as it would require resocializing billions of people. And it's not my right to tell people to redefine their culture.


Oh, and real mature with the negative rep because our opinions are different. :rolleyes:

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Use the dictionary.

Why should I when I can wait for your opinion? haha

You've flamed me like a little child on every single thread...and you demand that I be banned?

That's comedy gold.

And it's pretty fun. Keep up the condescension and ignorance and we'll have many more threads of comedy gold~

Because there are objective standards of beauty?

Because you are full of shit? Beauty studies have shown that faces found universally attractive are not more prominent in any racial or ethnic gene pool, the universal criteria has more to do with proportion and harmony of facial features rather than the sum of specific individual traits.

No, it shows how I aesthetically view those of a different phenotype.

So if I said "Why would I want a white chick", that doesn't imply some sort of contempt for those that do? Wipe the crap that's oozing out of your eyes, insert another quarter, and try again.

[Nightwish]

Beauty studies have shown that faces found universally attractive are not more prominent in any racial or ethnic gene pool

Of course they have.


So if I said "Why would I want a white chick", that doesn't imply some sort of contempt for those that do?

It might, but it's your opinion. Does your feeble brain believe it has no right to be offended? Sorry, but the first amendment tells us no one has that right.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

It might, but it's your opinion. Does your feeble brain believe it has no right to be offended? Sorry, but the first amendment tells us no one has that right.

Of course it's not against the law for you to speak in ways that offend people. It just means you're a prick, that's all. What, you thought I was threatening to get you arrested or hold you legally responsible or sumthin? haha Awesome how some dumbfucks like to justify their actions and words by saying that they have the Constitutional right to do so, which is supposed to somehow make their argument stronger.

Me: Wow that was racist, you dipshit.

You: Yeah, perhaps, but because of the first amendment, I'm not a dipshit.

[Nightwish]

What, you thought I was threatening to get you arrested or hold you legally responsible or sumthin?

No, not even close.

Of course it's not against the law for you to speak in ways that offend people. It just means you're a prick, that's all.

You offend me. Thus, you are a prick.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

You offend me. Thus, you are a prick.

Awwww don't be offended, it's just my opinion~

Sweet dreams, it's bedtime pumpkin <3

[BeTheReds]

Who said I do? For the purpose of abstract thinking, we cannot get tied up in the emotionalism of individual circumstances. I, personally, view eurasians as aesthetically superior even though I am not one. I don't have a problem with eurasians (except maybe their tendency to be flamingly liberal moreso than regular asians)...but the truth is that there is a stigma attached with being a half-breed in asia.

Yes, that's true, there is a stygma. But like I said, stygma or not, ultimately one's individual actions shape thoughts that either support or contradict the stygma.



Impossible for an individual to do, as it would require resocializing billions of people. And it's not my right to tell people to redefine their culture.

Who cares? No one is trying to change an entire people.

Oh, and real mature with the negative rep because our opinions are different. :rolleyes:

That's what it's for...

and you're the last person who needs to talk to me about maturity

[grimfan]

A tan is not the same as chemically bleaching your skin (which is popular in parts of Asia and Africa).

I'd say intentionally soaking up harmful UV rays, either on the beach or in your personal microwave, is about as bad as chemically bleaching your skin.

No, you are overemphasizing "socialization" (like most lefties). During the Arab invasions across eurasia, guess which racial group was the most prized as sex slaves and concubines? White blondes.

Got any facts to back that up?

[BeTheReds]

Alright yall, stay on topic. The topic of this thread is about wishing or not wishing your appearance was different, not which race's women makes better sex slaves.

[_natty]

i used to hang out with all asian ppl during my high school years but didnt really feel like i fit in.. then i wished i lookd more azn, but i dont really mind now!

[jdmdrift]

i completely wish i looked more asian and have thought about surgical enhancements to possibly help this out.
i have many internal conflicts and yes sometimes i wish i were just one ethnicity either way, but the fact is i identify myself as asian, but i feel like im lumped in with caucasion this is not who i feel i am and it hurts me to feel that this is how im viewed from the outside.

[Faithless]

i completely wish i looked more asian and have thought about surgical enhancements to possibly help this out.
i have many internal conflicts and yes sometimes i wish i were just one ethnicity either way, but the fact is i identify myself as asian, but i feel like im lumped in with caucasion this is not who i feel i am and it hurts me to feel that this is how im viewed from the outside.
Sorry to hear that. You sound alright to me. :smile:

Of course, I haven't read many of your posts, yet. :biggrin:

[Keke]

i completely wish i looked more asian and have thought about surgical enhancements to possibly help this out.
i have many internal conflicts and yes sometimes i wish i were just one ethnicity either way, but the fact is i identify myself as asian, but i feel like im lumped in with caucasion this is not who i feel i am and it hurts me to feel that this is how im viewed from the outside.
Don't pull out the razor blades and sleeping pill just yet. You sound pretty bummed out by this... but, dude, you are not alone. There are lots of us 'halfsies' out there... you've gotta ask yourself, "So the Fuk what!"

You won't be remembered for what you look like... You'll be remembered for who you are.

I hope you soon see that 99% of everyone you meet is so loaded with their own problems and shortcomings, that their opinion of you really doensn't matter anyway... why elevate the opinion of others? Unless you have big respect for them...

Let's all learn something from hearing my favorite joke:

Knock Knock
Who's there?
Why..
Why who?
Why don't you go fuck yourself!

its your world baby.

[jdmdrift]

well its not there opinoin that matters, its my own. like i said i dont feel like i am who i am if that makes sense. but as far as suicide nah, im japanese but theres no hari kari in my future ;)

[Keke]

well its not there opinoin that matters, its my own. like i said i dont feel like i am who i am if that makes sense. but as far as suicide nah, im japanese but theres no hari kari in my future ;)
Good to hear it brudda! Just say no to Seppuku!

There is no better way to get to know yourself than to see yourself react and function under stress.

I recommend taking on a challenge, something that would be difficult for you to complete, but you think that you could accomplish if you give enough effort.

i.e. Climb a mountain, hunt a deer, Run/Walk 10 miles, etc... you get the idea. Something you've never done before, and is also a difficult thing for you to accomplish. You'll learn about yourself, and it may help to reveal your identity.....

[kimpossible]

^Lol. Go on a visionquest. Eat some magic mushrooms.

[Keke]

^Lol. Go on a visionquest. Eat some magic mushrooms.
Funny you should say that...

A Beijing girl I knew that was here on a work "bubble assignment" wouldn't dare take a drink (even when I ordered her one!), but she was all about getting her hands on some magic mushrooms.

I don't know if she ever scored them.....

[pixiexxplum]

I do wish i looked more asian.
I'm half russian. 1/4 japanese 1/4 mongolian.
I do look asian. But then I dont.
My asian mother died. I now live with my russian father which leaves me to knowing nothing about my asianess.
At school asian people hang out with me rather than white.
But then i feel like i dont belong with them
I tried hanging out with white people.
but that doesn't work too.
I dont feel comfortable with any.
i have dyed my hair to light brown. I straighten it.
i have a slim body and some curves. I dont fit in with any because i dont look like any.
i cants say i have "azn pride"
because some people think i look white.
i cant say im white because people say i look asian.
its so annoying. i just wish i can be either.

[jdmdrift]

surgery, theres always surgery. you know how they have that eye surgery for asians? maybe they have an opposite procedure.

[BeTheReds]

Watch "You Only Live Twice"... Connery gets that surgery and appears as Japanese to Japanese people, but to everyone else, he looks like a Scotsman who's died his hair black and squints..

[jdmdrift]

haha

[ru a banana?]

Sing "The greatest love of all" By Whitney Houston? 10X a day in the shower. It really helps, I promise. ;oD

[princessli]

I wish i was 2
I'm Jamaican and my mom is chinese and my dad is black
I always get comments like u look nothing like ur mother! or are u sure u are her daughter
I wish i could look more asian so ppl would not say these things because it really hurts, i look mostly like my father. I only look like my mother in the respects of her eyes and my body shape. I have an almost typical asian shape and nothing like my dads lol i have a flat bottom, small hips and i mostly gain weight on my tummy. The black kids at school would always tease me saying that i was the only mixed child that was mixed with black in the whole school who had no butt and the asian kids accepted me but i always felt so weird being around them as i was the darkest and looked so different. I always feel weird going abroad with my mom's family because i am often asked if they r really my family because they are so light compared to me and i have thick curly hair and they have straight hair. I especially feel self concious in America becuase people always stare at me when im with my mom and not my dad.

[unemployable]

Just get plastic surgery. In Korea it's cheap and everyone's doing it. (That's why you see a lot of fine looking Korean women.)

And it's been used to intensify Asian features as well. ex-pornstar Asia Carrera got plastic surgery in order to make her look more Asian. I've seen what she looked like before she got it. You could totally tell she was half white. You might even think she was full white. She was totally plain looking before.

On day, we'll be able to modify our looks as easily as we modify our cars. It'll be off the hook.

[princessli]

umm no thanks id rather not plastic surgery can have a lot of negative effects. Thanks 4 the idea anyway

[BeTheReds]

I have yet to see a procedure that can make someone look more Asian.....

[rice cracker]

My coworker just made a dog eating joke while we ate lunch. Probably wouldn't have happened if I looked more Asian.

[BeTheReds]

I still dont' see what the big deal about eating dogs is.

[Dimeron]

I think a more interesting question would be:

If you are a hapa, would you rather look more Asian, or more like the other half (which will be white for most cases I think).

Just wondering.

[BeTheReds]

The questions are basically the same.

[rice cracker]

Well, I think we talked about the dog thing before, and it's not like "OMG shhhhhhh we really don't eat dog, swear!" What annoyed me in this case was the knee jerk response to "We had dinner at this Korean place," was, "hahaha, didja order the dog meat? :biggrin:" Which is just asinine and ignorant.