golddiggers

[kasia]

are you happy with it? have your feelings about it changed?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 1 2002, 10:47 PM
are you happy with it? have your feelings about it changed?
well there's that growth on my left buttcheek, but that's easily concealable. other than that i'm pretty satisfied with my appearance.



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[karizma]

>> my satisfaction fluctuates...there are days when im looking in the mirror and i just feel ugly...blech...like no amount of makeup could ever conceal those little imperfections...of course these days go hand in hand with my bad days...when i feel like blowing stuff up :D....

>> but all in all i guess im content with how i look...wasnt always this way...but i just thought that i could either spend the majority of my days concentrating on my appearance or just be happy with it and find better things to do =)...

>> although...this furry tail of mine is becoming harder and harder to conceal...esp. when wearing skirts.

[ChairmanMah]

i'm not very fotogenic. i think it's the flash. i liiike natural lite better. i wish i had a better smile. that's about it.

it kinda makes me look harder becuase i don't smile that much unless if i find something funny. i do laf everday though. i do have a sense of humor. i'm just not the one cracking jokes ALL the time. I know when to be serious and that is most of the time since i'm a mechanical designer. it's a serious business. i guess i make it better because me and my co-workers bs all day which makes it better. i get to listen to my walkman if i don't want to hear bs.

i guess some people are put off by that and misinterpret me as being unfriendly. which is totally untrue showing how many friends i have. just meeting new people. i'm usually drunk at a club or partying. i'm not my usual self when i'm drunk. i'm waaaaaaay more antisocial.

anyways, go to aa to see my page if you wanna see what i look like. i don't know how to put pictures here yet.

[kimpossible]

I figure I'm not totally hideous but not really good looking either. I look average. That's better than ugly. So, yes I'm satisfied.

Has my appearance changed? Yes, I'm older and can look forward to getting uglier as I age. The last thing I want to say is that I think monkey is PUI again. Posting Under the Influence.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Oct 1 2002, 08:23 PM
i don't know how to put pictures here yet.
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[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 1 2002, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 1 2002, 10:47 PM
are you happy with it? have your feelings about it changed?
well there's that growth on my left buttcheek, but that's easily concealable. other than that i'm pretty satisfied with my appearance.
hahahaha.... LOL :lol:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 1 2002, 11:28 PM
I figure I'm not totally hideous but not really good looking either. I look average. That's better than ugly. So, yes I'm satisfied.

Has my appearance changed? Yes, I'm older and can look forward to getting uglier as I age. The last thing I want to say is that I think monkey is PUI again. Posting Under the Influence.
no no i'm not PUI... not yet but probably (hopefully if everything sails smoothly) i will be in a few days...


and i want to say, i predict that when you get older you will become just like women like faye and maggie cheung - older women that are damn damn sexy.



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[thaite]

Well, my mom says I'm very handsome.

[kasia]

it's interesting how guys will come in and mock the question. probably because they can't understand how a woman's appearance can often times define her self-worth as a result of our societal values. similarly, so i've heard, woman are unable to grasp why financial success dictates a man's self-worth.

[Craig]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 03:48 PM
it's interesting how guys will come in and mock the question. probably because they can't understand how a woman's appearance can often times define her self-worth as a result of our societal values. similarly, so i've heard, woman are unable to grasp why financial success dictates a man's self-worth.

I think the perspective of what is attractive is too fluidily defined by the media nowadays. I was reading recently about Twiggy doing something (on CNN) and they mentioned how the image of attractiveness for females changed from a Marilyn Monroe type to a Twiggy type in the 60s.

For me, as an Asian male, I subconsciously deal with more issues of what type of Asian male I am and the fact that I am Asian as opposed to whether or not I am a good looking Asian male or an ugly Asian male.

For me, I can live without a girlfriend/wife, but cannot live without a job. Plus if I don't have a job, I'm almost assuredly not going to be able to get a significant other. Guys are judged more harshly on what kind of job they have, how much money they make, status, etc. Wasn't there a recent thread about the guys trying to achieve financial success primarily to be attractive to females ?

Just my perspective, I don't think my reaction is typical though.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 10:48 AM
it's interesting how guys will come in and mock the question. probably because they can't understand how a woman's appearance can often times define her self-worth as a result of our societal values. similarly, so i've heard, woman are unable to grasp why financial success dictates a man's self-worth.
oh, i didn't know that your appearance often define your self worth.

but financial success is definitely a big part of my self worth. and really, i think that should be true for women too... then they'd be less into gold-digging... :pissed:

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 10:48 AM
it's interesting how guys will come in and mock the question. probably because they can't understand how a woman's appearance can often times define her self-worth as a result of our societal values. similarly, so i've heard, woman are unable to grasp why financial success dictates a man's self-worth.
oh, i didn't know that your appearance often define your self worth.

but financial success is definitely a big part of my self worth. and really, i think that should be true for women too... then they'd be less into gold-digging... :pissed:
lol, mk.

I personally I have nothing against gold-diggers. If they look and floss,and choose to be a gold-digger. Come on a girl's gotta eat! Just don't get played in the long run, get what you want and she gets what she wants. Just make sure you protect yourself after you get sick of her and cut her off.



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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 10:48 AM
it's interesting how guys will come in and mock the question. probably because they can't understand how a woman's appearance can often times define her self-worth as a result of our societal values. similarly, so i've heard, woman are unable to grasp why financial success dictates a man's self-worth.
oh, i didn't know that your appearance often define your self worth.

but financial success is definitely a big part of my self worth. and really, i think that should be true for women too... then they'd be less into gold-digging... :pissed:
lol, mk.

I personally I have nothing against gold-diggers. If they look and floss,and choose to be a gold-digger. Come on a girl's gotta eat! Just don't get played in the long run, get what you want and she gets what she wants. Just make sure you protect yourself after you get sick of her and cut her off.
ok fine i admit it. i get off on spending lots of money on women. i even spend a little money on FTFs. fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:52 AM

ok fine i admit it. i get off on spending lots of money on women. i even spend a little money on FTFs. fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.
Hahah bro, it's no big deal, we all guys and we all done it.

Besides, look at the amount of gold-diggers that's gonna come up to yo ass, when you become one of the big shot Asian lawyers of our generation. Save me your scraps, fool!

[kasia]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:52 AM

ok fine i admit it. &nbsp;i get off on spending lots of money on women. &nbsp;i even spend a little money on FTFs. &nbsp;fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.
Hahah bro, it's no big deal, we all guys and we all done it.

Besides, look at the amount of gold-diggers that's gonna come up to yo ass, when you become one of the big shot Asian lawyers of our generation. Save me your scraps, fool!
you guys are kidding right? that was quite a chauvanistic exchange.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:52 AM

ok fine i admit it. &nbsp;i get off on spending lots of money on women. &nbsp;i even spend a little money on FTFs. &nbsp;fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.
Hahah bro, it's no big deal, we all guys and we all done it.

Besides, look at the amount of gold-diggers that's gonna come up to yo ass, when you become one of the big shot Asian lawyers of our generation. Save me your scraps, fool!
yeah well i've decided to delay law school, so it'll be actually 2 years before i go. and who the fuck knows what'll happen in 2 years' time? maybe i'll get some girl pregnant. :ph34r: ouch there goes law school...

scary.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:52 AM

ok fine i admit it. i get off on spending lots of money on women. i even spend a little money on FTFs. fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.
Hahah bro, it's no big deal, we all guys and we all done it.

Besides, look at the amount of gold-diggers that's gonna come up to yo ass, when you become one of the big shot Asian lawyers of our generation. Save me your scraps, fool!
you guys are kidding right? that was quite a chauvanistic exchange.
oops hahhah forgot this was the womenfolk's forum. sorry kasia we'll tone down the testosterone.

[kasia]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:52 AM

ok fine i admit it. i get off on spending lots of money on women. i even spend a little money on FTFs. fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.
Hahah bro, it's no big deal, we all guys and we all done it.

Besides, look at the amount of gold-diggers that's gonna come up to yo ass, when you become one of the big shot Asian lawyers of our generation. Save me your scraps, fool!
you guys are kidding right? that was quite a chauvanistic exchange.
oops hahhah forgot this was the womenfolk's forum. sorry kasia we'll tone down the testosterone.
but seriously, this is how guys talk about girls? how is that different from white people making racist comments behind closed doors?

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:52 AM

ok fine i admit it. i get off on spending lots of money on women. i even spend a little money on FTFs. fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.
Hahah bro, it's no big deal, we all guys and we all done it.

Besides, look at the amount of gold-diggers that's gonna come up to yo ass, when you become one of the big shot Asian lawyers of our generation. Save me your scraps, fool!
you guys are kidding right? that was quite a chauvanistic exchange.
oops hahhah forgot this was the womenfolk's forum. sorry kasia we'll tone down the testosterone.
but seriously, this is how guys talk about girls? how is that different from white people making racist comments behind closed doors?

well if a woman wants to be a golddigger, yeah. how would you expect a man to react to it? And how is it any different than calling a man a dog, for example.

I treat and give women respect on a case by case basis, but last time I checked the art of gold digging, doesn't rank high up on the chart of respectable professions. And no she doesn't have to be some type of super-woman, to gain my respect.

Bottomline generally a gold digger doesn't have self respect or respect for others, so why should I respect a gold digger?
So how am I being chauvinistic, on my part? Or worse yet, how is that comparable to making racist comments?

I'm just being real and not chauvinistic, in my opinion.



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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 2 2002, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 11:52 AM

ok fine i admit it. i get off on spending lots of money on women. i even spend a little money on FTFs. fuck i'm an idiot.

well actually now that i've been unemployed, i think i can control my wallet alot better.
Hahah bro, it's no big deal, we all guys and we all done it.

Besides, look at the amount of gold-diggers that's gonna come up to yo ass, when you become one of the big shot Asian lawyers of our generation. Save me your scraps, fool!
you guys are kidding right? that was quite a chauvanistic exchange.
oops hahhah forgot this was the womenfolk's forum. sorry kasia we'll tone down the testosterone.
but seriously, this is how guys talk about girls? how is that different from white people making racist comments behind closed doors?

well if a woman wants to be a golddigger, yeah. how would you expect a man to react to it? And how is it any different than calling a man a dog, for example.

I treat and give women respect on a case by case basis, but last time I checked the art of gold digging, doesn't rank high up on the chart of respectable professions. And no she doesn't have to be some type of super-woman, to gain my respect.

Bottomline generally a gold digger doesn't have self respect or respect for others, so why should I respect a gold digger?
So how am I being chauvinistic, on my part? Or worse yet, how is that comparable to making racist comments?

I'm just being real and not chauvinistic, in my opinion.
well, i don't think gold-digging and self-respect are mutually exclusive to each other. but yeah, from what i've seen, most of the time, the harder they dig, the less self-respect, or self-esteem, they have.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 12:27 PM

well, i don't think gold-digging and self-respect are mutually exclusive to each other. &nbsp;but yeah, from what i've seen, most of the time, the harder they dig, the less self-respect, or self-esteem, they have.
Right, good point.

So how am I supposed to respect or give respect to a woman when her sole purpose is accessing my bank account and trying to get every last penny or as much as she can?

I can either

1)Not pay her any attention and not let it happen to begin with

or

2)Get as much as I can out of her as she is trying to do the same with me, if it comes down to it. And try and protect myself in the long run.

Which is basically what I was saying to MK.


And to clarify:

1)I respect my momma and all my female relatives
2)I respect women, who respect themselves and respect me
3)Not all women are gold diggers. But, they do exist.
4)I'm a guy. I will fall for that beautiful woman and get played if she happens to be a gold digger.


So where is the chauvinism and it being akin to racist remarks in my view on this?

Edit: And I apologize for hijacking your thread.



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[kimpossible]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 09:03 AM

but seriously, this is how guys talk about girls? how is that different from white people making racist comments behind closed doors?
If what you're saying is, do guys we think we know pretty well and respect think this way in real life - my answer is yes. How does this compare to racist comments behind closed doors? About the same. It's people saying what they really think.

It doesn't bother me because I know women that match the gold digging archtype and I don't have a romantic relationship with either bun boy or monkey, so they can think whatever they want. They're not saints, just guys.

Anyhow, insert imo where appropriate.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 2 2002, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 09:03 AM

but seriously, this is how guys talk about girls? how is that different from white people making racist comments behind closed doors?
If what you're saying is, do guys we think we know pretty well and respect think this way in real life - my answer is yes. How does this compare to racist comments behind closed doors? About the same. It's people saying what they really think.

It doesn't bother me because I know women that match the gold digging archtype and I don't have a romantic relationship with either bun boy or monkey, so they can think whatever they want. They're not saints, just guys.

Anyhow, insert imo where appropriate.
General Question: since when is a man protecting himself or trying to make a "gold digging" situation he might be in swing towards his favor, considered a bad thing?

and ok I see your analogy of my thinking akin to a racist remark. But, calling it a racist remark is kinda extreme. I may be speaking my mind and what I really think, but in my opinion it is far from ignorant, like a racist remark.

My uncle lost two apartment buildings in Taiwan and almost all his bank accounts because of a gold digging wife. He loved her too much to leave her and thought he can change her and she can change on her own. I'll be damned if that happened to me.

I think we should move this to the rant room. Wish I knew how, heh.



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[kimpossible]

I'm confused. Are you talking to me or kasia? Because to be honest, the gold digging comments don't really bother me. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Oct 2 2002, 01:23 PM
I'm confused. Are you talking to me or kasia? Because to be honest, the gold digging comments don't really bother me. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
kasia.

Just dumping all my thoughts into it before I forget. Going into a possible debate with a lawyer is scaring me!

[SunWuKong]

wouldn't it be more approriate to claim that it's sexist instead of racist?

yeah and i have an ex-uncle who lost almost his entire fortune to a little girl younger than his own son. but hey i have to admit he was really stupid. nonetheless that was the work of a gold-digger.

yeah i know guys often often take advantage of women for sex, and probably more often than women take advantage of men for money. and i respect a woman's body, but if you ask me, having lots of money drained is alot more detrimental to a man than being used for sex is to a woman. sorry but that's my opinion.

i don't need sex, but i definitely need my money.



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[kimpossible]

Well that's good because my ranting juice is spent.

[SunWuKong]

and by the way, i wouldn't keep these comments behind closed doors. if a girl asks me about all this, i'd tell her straight up. especially if i have feelings for the girl. i wouldn't lie.

[Craig]

Sidetracking the topic a little. I think regardless of the latest discussion, even for a female to succeed in this society, she is being more heavily judged on her physical appearance in the workplace. If she doesn't want to be a gold-digger or use the male to earn money for her, her job opportunities are heavily influenced by how attractive she is. If most males are doing the hiring, it is of course in her favor to be attractive to them. If another female is making the hiring decision, it may hurt to be deemed attractive.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 10:33 AM
wouldn't it be more approriate to claim that it's sexist instead of racist?

I think she meant that the sentiment is rarely expressed to the target's face, not that you have a vendetta against women or hatred.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Oct 2 2002, 01:33 PM
wouldn't it be more approriate to claim that it's sexist instead of racist?

yeah and i have an ex-uncle who lost almost his entire fortune to a little girl younger than his own son. but hey i have to admit he was really stupid. nonetheless that was the work of a gold-digger.


I don't believe my thinking is sexist nor racist. I did not say or imply in anyway that all women are gold diggers. So, I don't see how it is sexist/chauvinistic.

And in regards to my uncle he didn't pick up any young woman half his age etc etc. If he bought it on himself, then yeah, I would say he is stupid.

Here is a man, who was married for a long period of time, had two daughters both older than I am. His wife controlled his money and was hording it without his knowledge. When he found out what she was doing, he still elected to stay with her, which went against my dad's and his younger brother's wishes.

Eventually she found a young buck and left him. He loved her so much till the bitter end, that he did not contest some of the aspects of divorce, which basically left him with nothing. His reasoning was she has no means of an income. And that he can rebuild and save up again over time. He's editor and chief of a major newspaper in Taiwan.

He wasn't smart about it and let his romantic side cloud his vision, but I have to give it to him, the man has heart.

So please pardon me if I have rigid stance on the matter and blunt about it. I'm not going out like that, when and if it happens to me.



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[amietron]

ahh, so the key is to find a friggen rich guy, use his $ to get cosmetic surgery then leave him?

how olds your uncle, doc?

[amietron]

if i were a guy, i wouldn't be down with gold-diggin bitches. i'm not down with them now, either. sure, a girls gotta feed her stomach. that doesn't mean she's gotta flock to wealthy men to slowly but surely rape them of their bank accounts. put yourself in the man's shoes.

you have a bank account that holds you hard-earned money. the money you slaved for working at company A company B and C. you studied your balls off in school so you could be the tops, so you would stand out amongst your peers. you didn't hang out with the guys cus you had to save money. blah blah blah. now that you finally have the dough, some bitch who you thought loved ya for more than your money bounces with a significant sum. a sum that seemingly is large enough to burn a few holes in your breeches. get what i' m saying? so what, i married her. and even if i didn't still thought our feelings were mutual. taking advantage of me (being the guy). like getting lotsa free sex from a girl on her rebound. or from an amateur HS slut.

it's not savvy. i'd look down on ya. and if i were one, i'd look down on myself. feel guilty as fuck for raping him of his dough. it's too manipulative.

[karizma]

>> so if a guy was willing to accept a gold digger would you consider him stupid...what if a guy was willing to share his wealth with some other girl in exchange for some good lovin...is she considered a high-priced prostitute or just someone he chose to take care of financially?

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by karizma@Oct 2 2002, 08:07 PM
>> so if a guy was willing to accept a gold digger would you consider him stupid...what if a guy was willing to share his wealth with some other girl in exchange for some good lovin...is she considered a high-priced prostitute or just someone he chose to take care of financially?
If a guy is willing to accept a gold digger he better be damn savvy enuff to cover his own so he don't get played. But, last time I checked gold diggers don't have a flashing sign that says gold digger above their heads. That'll kinda ruin her play, right?

As for the sugah daddy arrangment, to each their own and different strokes for different folks. Both sides, meaning the man and the woman, better plan ahead for their own sakes.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by amietron@Oct 2 2002, 07:52 PM
ahh, so the key is to find a friggen rich guy, use his $ to get cosmetic surgery then leave him?

how olds your uncle, doc?
Waaaaaaay to old for you!

And no my ex-aunt didn't get plastic surgery done. She just horded his money without his knowledge and saved up to look out for herself.



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[mrazntre]

all women are gold diggers, that's why men have to concentrate on making money. if a girl wants a rich man, she's gonna elect to talk to his lower altitude brain.



all women are gold diggers, that's why men have to concentrate on making money. if a girl wants a rich man, she's gonna elect to talk to his lower altitude brain.





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[deez nuts]

Originally posted by mrazntre@Oct 2 2002, 08:40 PM
all women are gold diggers, that's why men have to concentrate on making money. if a girl wants a rich man, she's gonna elect to talk to his lower altitude brain.

all men are dogs, so that's why we concentrate on fine ho's. if a man wants a fine girl, he's just gonna buy her shit.

it's a cycle.
Oh boy, I think this might be a pay per view event soon.

I hear the clock ticking, I think it's the women's movement being set back.

Run for the hills tre! Run, dawg! Run!



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[artsfartsyjanet]

I'm generally happy with my appearance. =)

[kasia]

re: golddiggers issue

why does the classification have to exist in the first place? why must it be, "oh, when i meet girls i will respect her on a case-by-case basis", "some girls are golddiggers, some are not."

i find it hard to differentiate these comments from when my asian friends talk about black people in such terms. "some blacks are niggers, some are respectable." and then they'd go on about how their uncle's store was robbed by a black guy.

as i stated, my main issue is the classification.

anyhow, likewise as other girls, i have many guy friends who think and talk this way. it's not like i call them out on it every single time or that i get extremely bothered by it. however, this site was created so that issues like this could be questioned and discussed, so please understand that it was not meant to be a personal attack.



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[deez nuts]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 09:56 PM
re: golddiggers issue

why does the classification have to exist in the first place? why must it be, "oh, when i meet girls i will respect her on a case-by-case basis", "some girls are golddiggers, some are not."


oh i wasn't offended by it. I thought I offended you.

But anyways, so you are not acknowledging the existence of gold diggers?

[kasia]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 3 2002, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 09:56 PM
re: golddiggers issue

why does the classification have to exist in the first place? &nbsp;why must it be, "oh, when i meet girls i will respect her on a case-by-case basis", "some girls are golddiggers, some are not."


oh i wasn't offended by it. I thought I offended you.

But anyways, so you are not acknowledging the existence of gold diggers?
no, of course i do. as i also acknowledge the existence of hoes, sluts, etc.

but i'm more concerned with why they exist. if you think about it, by being a golddigger, they are taking a subordinate position to men. they have to, in a sense, sell themselves in order to get what they want. that makes me question why they have to do this--if it's their own fault or if it is a way that our society is structured.

[ChairmanMah]

;) spending all your money on chix that give you no play is fo suckas. even spending too much on chix that do give you play i can be reluctant. they can make their own money. if she can't she's not very ambitious or productive enuf anyway. so get a job.

[amietron]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 07:12 PM
but i'm more concerned with why they exist. if you think about it, by being a golddigger, they are taking a subordinate position to men. they have to, in a sense, sell themselves in order to get what they want. that makes me question why they have to do this--if it's their own fault or if it is a way that our society is structured.
i think it's by choice.

[kasia]

Originally posted by amietron@Oct 3 2002, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 07:12 PM
but i'm more concerned with why they exist. &nbsp;if you think about it, by being a golddigger, they are taking a subordinate position to men. &nbsp;they have to, in a sense, sell themselves in order to get what they want. &nbsp;that makes me question why they have to do this--if it's their own fault or if it is a way that our society is structured.
i think it's by choice.
please explain.

[angel nympho]

Everybody wishes they could change something. But seeing as how I know I can't (unless I wanna go under the knife), I have no choice but to be okay with how I look. So I am.

[Arex]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 08:12 PM
but i'm more concerned with why they exist. &nbsp;if you think about it, by being a golddigger, they are taking a subordinate position to men. &nbsp;they have to, in a sense, sell themselves in order to get what they want. &nbsp;that makes me question why they have to do this--if it's their own fault or if it is a way that our society is structured.
The fact that golddiggers tend to be women is due to the (unfortunate) way society is structured: men are generally seen as the breadwinners, and men generally make more money. However, whether or not a woman becomes a golddigger, I would say, is generally a conscious choice as opposed to something she "ends up" being due to any kind of external pressure. I would argue that most women who end up as bonafide prostitutes end up there due to economic pressures. However, I don't think the same can be said for a woman who uses and manipulates a man simply for his bank roll.

As for whether golddiggers place themselves in "subordinate" positions to the men they prey upon, I don't think that's necessarily the case. First of all, many golddiggers are deceitful and manipulative. Second of all, I think using one's sexuality to attain a favorable position is no different or any less legit than using money. This is why I personally don't see porn or prostitution as demeaning to women if, in fact, the women who participate in it make the free, informed, conscious choice to do so. So, back to golddigging, looking from the golddiggee's perspective, he's basically in the subordinate position where he's forced to give up $$$ to get the golddigger to stick around.

And, to stay on topic, I guess I'm more or less cool with my appearance. However, the fact that I have such a lackluster record with the opposite sex makes me question it sometimes. But I wouldn't ever change anything about my appearance 'cept my hair (I sooo want to shave my head again). All I need is to find one special someone who think's I'm the bomb (or at least tolerable) and will go home with me!

Alex

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 2 2002, 10:12 PM
but i'm more concerned with why they exist. if you think about it, by being a golddigger, they are taking a subordinate position to men. they have to, in a sense, sell themselves in order to get what they want. that makes me question why they have to do this--if it's their own fault or if it is a way that our society is structured.
i think it's a little bit of both.

i am not sure if this is what you're wondering - but are you questioning why gold-diggers are disrespected?

if so...
i think many if not most women think that for whatever reasons, whether they be discrimination based on gender or not, the odds in society are set against a woman making just as much or more money than a man. as such, gold-diggers seek to circumvent this by being manipulative toward men. while i'm sure some third generation feminists will find this worthy of respect, personally, well, i don't entirely disrespect gold-diggers, but i have more respect for the women who think they can have just as much success as men without being manipulative toward men.

[jenax]

Regardless of how I may look to others... I will always find something wrong with myself. :/

[mrazntre]

Originally posted by jenax@Oct 3 2002, 01:48 PM
Regardless of how I may look to others... I will always find something wrong with myself. :/
so what's wrong with you?

i don't see nothing wrong.....................................yet.

[amietron]

Originally posted by jenax@Oct 3 2002, 05:48 AM
Regardless of how I may look to others... I will always find something wrong with myself. :/
OMG OMG OMG! you're here! you finally made the transition! whooooo! :)

kinda like they say you are your own worst critic

[Saiko]

Originally posted by jenax@Oct 3 2002, 08:48 AM
Regardless of how I may look to others... I will always find something wrong with myself. :/
Ditto.

[kasia]

Originally posted by Arex@Oct 3 2002, 07:20 AM
The fact that golddiggers tend to be women is due to the (unfortunate) way society is structured: men are generally seen as the breadwinners, and men generally make more money. However, whether or not a woman becomes a golddigger, I would say, is generally a conscious choice as opposed to something she "ends up" being due to any kind of external pressure.
is societal structure a form of external pressure? like...a *benign* pressure? (does that make sense?)