election argument/debate with friends

[SunWuKong]

what are some things you and your friends have argued/debated about when you find that you'll be voting for different candidates?

(i'm voting for anti-Bush, meaning Kerry.)

one American-raised Korean friend is voting for Bush. what we disagree over is basically the war. he thinks that the Iraq War is justified, while i don't think it is, even though he agrees we're doing a very poor job over there. he voted for Bush the last election, too. he doesn't like Clinton either. he's pretty conservative, but he doesn't consider himself a republican, nor, obviously, a democrat.

another friend i've argued with is a 1.5 gen. Taiwanese guy who's voting for Bush. the main issue for him is that he thinks Bush would give Taiwan more support than Kerry would. but at the same time he hates Chen Shui Bian. something that i agree with, but i pointed out to him that Bush probably cares more about being on good relations with China, while Kerry would probably care less because he draws his support from pro-labour camps, which protects American labour and often makes things worse for business with China. Bush is more swayed by big business which has interest in China. he also doesn't think that Kerry would do a better job with the economy, something that i also agree with. but for me, the war issue is more important than both the Taiwan issue and the economy. plus i think Kerry would be better for education and women's rights. he also doesn't like the fact that Kerry gets rich off his wife's dead ex-husband. :tongue:

[Yeahman]

I only have one friend who is voting for Bush. He's very conservative and is a card-carrying member of the Republican party. He supported the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, the whole deal. I talked him out of supporting Iraq but he still believes that Bush just made an honest mistake and that Iraq is better off without Saddam anyway. I asked him to consider the Constitution party which he said he will look into.

[kitty]

at one point, it was gay marriage / gay adoption -- but i don't have any bush-supporting friends anymore. :)

[deez nuts]

no debates really. all my friends and co workers are either voting for bush or undecided but leaning towards voting for bush.

i'm the only one out of us that doesn't have a clear lock on a particular candidate and still weighing the issues.

i have encountered random kerry supporters that joined in our conversations where my friends are trying to convince me to vote for bush and that i'm still on the fence. they debate with my hardcore republican friends about the evil that is dubya and finds time in between debating them to try and push kerry on me.

they always seem to ask me the same universal question of whether i am better off now or was i better off four years ago? so i'm thinking: motherfucker that's a no brainer, i'm better off now than i was four years ago.

[tommyhtown]

they always seem to ask me the same universal question of whether i am better off now or was i better off four years ago? so i'm thinking: motherfucker that's a no brainer, i'm better off now than i was four years ago.

LOL It depends on who you ask I guess. I am worse off now than four years ago for sure.

Most of my friends support Bush. It is not a surprise since I live in the great state of Texas :rolleyes: I have a PIGS friend who is a supporter of Bush espicially on the subject of Iraq War. He hates Sadaam regime to the core. One of my Vietnamese-American friends blindly supports Bush in almost every issue. She is considered herself a hardcore Republican though.

I don't really mind about the differences but what gets me is that many of them believe Bush's words in saying that Iraq is behind 9/11.

[VV o n g B a]

i had one friend who was still on the fence leaning towards kerry the last time i talked to him. he was a bush supporter up until recently. he can't stand cheney and feels like bush's war cabinet needs to go. not enthusiastic about kerry at all tho.

[deez nuts]

LOL It depends on who you ask I guess. I am worse off now than four years ago for sure.



exactly. it's varies from person to person. it such a question that can backfire on you if you're trying to persuade someone to vote a certain way. i think it's kind of bordering on the condescending and narrow mindedness too. i mean just cuz you're doing bad, doesn't mean we're all doing bad.

a more appropriate question would be, "is the country doing better now than it was 4 years ago?" but, it seems like all the kerry supporters i've encountered uses "are you bertter off four years ago than you are today?" i guess all kerry supporters are doing bad.

[ellsworth81]

exactly. it's varies from person to person. it such a question that can backfire on you if you're trying to persuade someone to vote a certain way. i think it's kind of bordering on the condescending and narrow mindedness too. i mean just cuz you're doing bad, doesn't mean we're all doing bad.

a more appropriate question would be, "is the country doing better now than it was 4 years ago?" but, it seems like all the kerry supporters i've encountered uses "are you bertter off four years ago than you are today?" i guess all kerry supporters are doing bad.

my MD brother said a bush vote is in your pocketbook's best interest. can't remember why.

[Mr.Lum]

Only with Christians. I don't know any Quakers that support Bush, but I know a lot of Catholics and Lutherans who do. It seems to come more from their hatred of gay marriage and abortion than anything else.

[deez nuts]

my MD brother said a bush vote is in your pocketbook's best interest. can't remember why.


it is.

i've been saying all along that my paycheck is gonna play a huge role on whether or not i will vote for bush. i've talked to the senior attendings on staff and there is a sizable difference in the taxes paid during the clinton era compared to the bush jr era.

just like how some people aren't pro kerry, but are voting for kerry cuz they're anti-bush.

i might vote for bush not cuz i'm anti-kerry or pro-bush. but pro-paycheck.

[ellsworth81]

it is.

i've been saying all along that my paycheck is gonna play a huge role on whether or not i will vote for bush. i've talked to the senior attendings on staff and there is a sizable difference in the taxes paid during the clinton era compared to the bush jr era.

just like how some people aren't pro kerry, but are voting for kerry cuz they're anti-bush.

i might vote for bush not cuz i'm anti-kerry or pro-bush. but pro-paycheck.

you mean pro-"Franklin" kekekekke

[deez nuts]

you mean pro-"Franklin" kekekekke


no diggity. no doubt.

[kasia]

one girl, a bush supporter, asked me, "so you don't think saddam was a bad person????"

that's basically the gist of my debates with bush-supporters.

[hooligan]

i'm not down with the patriot act. gay marriage and stem cell research are the other issues that i support and i don't agree with the current president over.

edit: it looked like it said i was down with gay marriage. :(

[nonamerasian]

I've gotten a few why, as a Black person, am I willing to vote for a democrat. Because democrats assume they have the Black vote, they think I should vote republican.

I haven't really gotten in an argument over it. I just ask if they confront corporates, Cubans, military personnel, and other groups who tend to vote GOP to vote democrat.

[kitty]

that's a strange rationale -- vote republican just to be different? shouldn't you vote for the person you most agree with... whomever that person is?

[kimpossible]

Last night my dad called and dragged me into a conversation about the debates and who we're voting for. It was surprising though, neither of us is excited for either candidate and we're split 60/40 for each. He for Bush (Cheney and the Bush admin, really) and I for not-Bush (Kerry).

My dad gets often gets into his mysterious G-man classified info commando spiel about voting conservative, but he was very different this time. Not only is he beginning to take my opinions seriously and listen to my reasons, but he expressed some serious concerns about Bush and for the first time I've ever known him to he's considering voting Democrat.

I think the gist of it went, he's concerned about Kerry's ability to lead when we've got enemies. I countered that if we keep up this bullshit John Wayne kick down the door guns blazing foreign policy, we'll have even more to contend with and there is just so much of the world we can take on at one time. Then I hit with a low blow and asked if that's the type of global political environment he wants his daughter to live in.