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yoMAMA
09-22-2004, 04:20 PM
Pretty interesting article on the new york times about the evolution of "chinese" food in America..... :wink:

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September 22, 2004
As All-American as Egg Foo Yong
By MICHAEL LUO

IT is an unusual trove of cultural kitsch: close to 10,000 Chinese restaurant menus going back to the late 1800's, filling an array of battered boxes and grocery bags. There is Ying's, a drive-through in Jacksonville, Fla., which describes itself as a purveyor of "Chinee Takee Outee," Jade Garden in Bismarck, N.D., which features the local specialty, "hot and spicy walleye," Brillante, a Mexican and Chinese spot in Paterson, N.J., which offers General Tso's Pollo.

There is a 1960's menu from the House of Lee in Oakland, Calif., featuring "fried ravioli," better known as wontons; a dog-eared menu from Mon Lay Won, a turn-of-the-century New York City restaurant that called itself "the Chinese Delmonico's"; and one from Madame Wu's Garden in Los Angeles, a favorite of Cary Grant and Mae West.

The bills of fare, gathered over the years by Harley Spiller, who has amassed a number of curious collections in his Upper East Side apartment, may be the ultimate road map to the Chinese restaurant's extraordinary trek across the American landscape.

Excerpts from Mr. Spiller's collection are the centerpiece of a new exhibition at the Museum of Chinese in the Americas in Chinatown about a rarely examined phenomenon: the Chinese restaurant in America.

There are now close to 36,000 Chinese restaurants in the United States, according to Chinese Restaurant News, a trade publication, more than the number of McDonald's, Wendy's and Burger King franchises combined. What began in this country as exotic has become thoroughly American. A study by the Center for Culinary Development, a food product development company, found that 39 percent of children between the ages of 10 and 13 who were surveyed said Chinese was their favorite type of food, compared to only 9 percent who chose American.

"It has become part of our consciousness," said Yong Chen, a history professor at the University of California, Irvine, and co-curator of the exhibition, which will run until June. "It is quintessentially American."

Much of what has been served in Chinese restaurants in America is virtually impossible to find in China. Crab Rangoon, chop suey and sweet-and-sour pork are all essentially American inventions. In the late 1980's a Hong Kong entrepreneur imported another one: "genuine American fortune cookies."

Credit the versatility and adaptability of Chinese restaurateurs that has made them able to feed sophisticated gourmands in New York City, less discriminating palates in small Southern towns and immigrant communities across the country.

Cynthia Ai-Fen Lee, the exhibition's other co-curator, said Chinese restaurateurs have been "good at seeing what people wanted and getting out there and doing it."

The first Chinese restaurants in the United States were in mining towns of the California gold rush and even then catered to a mixture of Chinese and non-Chinese laborers. Soon they had spread East and into cities. For the most part, however, Americans viewed the cuisine with suspicion, Ms. Lee said.

Some restaurants began to bridge the gap. A menu from the Hong-Far-Low restaurant in Boston in the 1880's features a picture of a bald man in Chinese dress, with the caption: "This is the first man in Boston who made chop suey in 1879." Also on the menu: French fried potatoes.

By the early 20th century it had become fashionable for young urbanites to venture into Chinatowns for the exotic food, Ms. Lee said. A yellowing 1925 postcard in the exhibition depicts the crowded banquet hall of the new Shanghai Cafe in San Francisco, featuring "Chinese and American Dishes" and "Music and Dance Every Evening."

Soon chop suey houses were springing up in cities across America, serving the ubiquitous mix of meat, bean sprouts, bamboo shoots and other vegetables that would become a staple of Chinese restaurants everywhere, alongside cheeseburgers and fried chicken.

Chop suey references crept into popular culture, often in bizarre ways. Museum visitors can listen to Louis Armstrong's "Cornet Chop Suey" and sing along to a 1925 ditty "Who'll Chop Your Suey When I'm Gone."

But Chinese cuisine remained unfamiliar to many, said Ms. Lee, so many restaurateurs wrote long narratives into their menus, explaining Chinese food and history or spinning fanciful legends of their restaurants' exotic origins. They also offered tips for how to order family style.

At the King Joy Lo Mandarin Restaurant in Chicago, the menu advised: "If you experience difficulty in making selections, the floor walker will cheerfully aid you."

In reflection of the lowly status of Chinese immigrants in America at the time, many restaurants deliberately used a bizarre pidgin English in their menus. A menu in the exhibition from one restaurant in Honolulu, Lau Yee Chai, reads in part: "Sometams fliends make appointmans. When come, place full no room. Vely sorry. You please wait little while."

Another restaurant even adopted the pidgin language into its name, calling itself Led Looster Lestaulant.

By the 1950's and 60's "going for Chinese" had become part of the suburban vernacular. In places like New York City, eating Chinese food became intertwined with the traditions of other ethnic groups, especially that of Jewish immigrants. Many Jewish families faithfully visited their favorite Chinese restaurant every Sunday night. Among the menus in the exhibition are selections from Glatt Wok: Kosher Chinese Restaurant and Takeout in Monsey, N.Y., and Wok Tov in Cedarhurst, N.Y.

Until 1965 Cantonese-speaking immigrants, mainly from the county of Toisan, dominated the industry and menus reflected a standard repertory of tasty but bland Americanizations of Cantonese dishes. But loosening immigration restrictions that year brought a flood of people from many different regions of China, starting "authenticity revolution," said Ed Schoenfeld, a restaurateur and Chinese food consultant.

Top chefs who were trained in spicy and more unusual regional specialties, like Hunan and Sichuan cooking, came to New York then, Mr. Schoenfeld said.

While some midtown Chinese restaurants had been popular places for a nice night on the town, by the early 1970's, restaurants like Shun Lee Dynasty, a daring experiment in Chinese food in a luxurious setting, run by the chef Tsung Ting Wang and Michael Tong, were getting raves for their food.

Mr. Tong's is among more than a dozen recollections from restaurateurs in the exhibition. He recalled the day Shun Lee Dynasty became the city's first Chinese restaurant to get a four-star review in The New York Times. Soon it was averaging 500 people a night.

President Richard M. Nixon's trip to China in 1972 awakened interest in the country and accounts of his meals helped whet diners' appetites for new dishes. An illustration of a scowling Nixon with a pair of chopsticks glares down from the wall at the exhibition.

Hunan and Sichuan restaurants in New York influenced the taste of the whole country, Mr. Schoenfeld said. Dishes like General Tso's chicken and crispy orange beef caught on everywhere.

But as with the Cantonese food before it, Mr. Schoenfeld said, the cooking degraded over time, as it became mass produced. Today's batter-fried, syrup-laden version of Chinese food, he said, bears little resemblance to authentic cuisine.

General Tso's chicken, for example, originally made with garlic and vinegar, has evolved, he said, into "sweet chunks of chicken with batter in glumpy sauce."

The real explosion of Chinese restaurants that made them ubiquitous came in the 1980's, said Betty Xie, editor of Chinese Restaurant News. "Now you see there are almost one or two Chinese restaurants in every town in the United States," she said.

There are signs that some have tired of Chinese food. A 2004 Zagat survey showed that its popularity has ebbed somewhat in New York City.

But the journey of the Chinese restaurant remains the story of the American dream, as experienced by a constant but evolving stream of Chinese immigrants who realized the potential of 12-hour days, borrowed capital and a willingness to cook whatever Americans wanted. Sales margins are tight, and wages are low.

Restaurants are passed from one family member to the next, or sold by one Chinese family to another. Often a contingency written into sales contracts is that the previous owners train the new owners.

Nowadays it is overwhelmingly Fujianese immigrants, many of them smuggled into this country illegally, who are flocking to the restaurant business because they have few other options.

Many restaurants operate with a startling sameness, Ms. Lee said, believing that that is what customers want. She said the menu "has to be exotic enough that it's different, but they have to keep it familiar."

So, there are the crunchy noodles that Americans like to dip in duck sauce; place mats with the symbols of the Chinese years; and the stalwarts: General Tso's chicken, beef and broccoli, sweet-and-sour pork. Although old-style dishes like chop suey, chow mein and egg foo yong are almost nonexistent today in New York City and the West Coast, they are surprisingly common in the middle of the country.

Indigo Som, 38, an artist in Berkeley, Calif., has been traveling through the heartland photographing Chinese restaurants. Some of her photographs are featured in the exhibition; others can be found on her online travelogue. Among the highlights: China Town Gourmet Chinese Restaurant in Powell, Wyo., and Hong Kong Buffet in Onalaska, Wis.

"The competition in Chinese communities is cutthroat," Mr. Chen, the co-curator, said. "What people realize is you can make much, much better profit in places like Montana."

A typical story is that of Joseph C. Chan, another restaurant owner whose memories are part of the show. He came to the United States in 1982 from Hong Kong, settled in Huntsville, Ala., and worked at a cousin's restaurant, learning just how much coloring to add to the sweet-and-sour sauce.

After four years he struck out on his own. Seeing few Chinese restaurants near his friend's home in upstate New York, he borrowed $100,000 from family and friends and bought an old diner in Scotia.

Now he faces competition from Fujianese immigrants and new takeout joints, and he only hopes to be able to make it through a few more years to retirement.

It has been a life full of sacrifice, he said. When his daughter, Joyce, first asked him for stories for the exhibition, he was puzzled.

"It's just making a living," he said, "that's all, nothing special."

deez nuts
09-23-2004, 06:26 AM
my friend calls ABC's and white washed chinese people egg foo yung.

it's pretty snarky especially when he first meets one and he asks if their last name is yung? first name egg foo?

asvenus
09-23-2004, 08:08 AM
this is pretty similar to the scene regarding Asian food in the UK...things like 'curry', is unheard of in India but is promoted in the UK as typical Indian fare...usually some revolting concoction that was cooked up for whiteys in the colonial 'days of the raj'...tis wierd how different countries cuisines get shaped and defined through interaction with western cultures...'curry' pah!! :rolleyes:
CB that is just mean..but oh so funny heh heh... :biggrin:

AliBabaIncorporated
09-23-2004, 08:08 AM
"The competition in Chinese communities is cutthroat," Mr. Chen, the co-curator, said. "What people realize is you can make much, much better profit in places like Montana."
Uh yeah, cuz people compete to run business in areas that are popular to live in. You wanna open up a Chinese restaurant in Montana and raise your kids there, have a blast.

SunWuKong
09-23-2004, 08:43 AM
Uh yeah, cuz people compete to run business in areas that are popular to live in. You wanna open up a Chinese restaurant in Montana and raise your kids there, have a blast.

another thing is that many recent immigrants really don't have any idea how boring it would be to live in a place like Montana. when my parents opened a restaurant (now sold, they had two at one point), they pretty much looked at small towns that have McDonald's. they figure McDonald's must have done some sort of market analysis to think that they can open a location there. and they didn't open at any town that already had a Chinese restaurant. the idea was to be the only fish in the pond, no matter how small a fish you are.

after about 10 years of that they finally had enough of living in a small town. :tongue:

At the King Joy Lo Mandarin Restaurant in Chicago, the menu advised: "If you experience difficulty in making selections, the floor walker will cheerfully aid you."

In reflection of the lowly status of Chinese immigrants in America at the time, many restaurants deliberately used a bizarre pidgin English in their menus. A menu in the exhibition from one restaurant in Honolulu, Lau Yee Chai, reads in part: "Sometams fliends make appointmans. When come, place full no room. Vely sorry. You please wait little while."

Another restaurant even adopted the pidgin language into its name, calling itself Led Looster Lestaulant.

that's brilliant marketting. :biggrin:
i'm pretty sure "Led Looster Lestaulant" caught more attention than, for example, "Ming Garden".

nonamerasian
09-23-2004, 11:37 AM
this is pretty similar to the scene regarding Asian food in the UK...things like 'curry', is unheard of in India but is promoted in the UK as typical Indian fare...usually some revolting concoction that was cooked up for whiteys in the colonial 'days of the raj'...tis wierd how different countries cuisines get shaped and defined through interaction with western cultures...'curry' pah!! :rolleyes:
CB that is just mean..but oh so funny heh heh... :biggrin:

I think it's according to the part of India.

I remember some Indian acquaintances discussing curry some time ago. All said that they don't remember hearing the word "curry" growing up. One, I think he's from Madras, said that he only knew of "curry" from books when he was in India and probably didn't eat it before leaving the country while another from some other southern city said that he grew up with it served in certain dishes, only it wasn't called "curry."

I don't remember my family's Bangladeshi friend calling a particular dish she used to make curried anything, but it smelled like curried something, so she might have been like the second guy. Eating what we call curry, but calling it something else.

applehead
09-23-2004, 12:06 PM
Hunan and Sichuan restaurants in New York influenced the taste of the whole country, Mr. Schoenfeld said. Dishes like General Tso's chicken and crispy orange beef caught on everywhere.

But as with the Cantonese food before it, Mr. Schoenfeld said, the cooking degraded over time, as it became mass produced. Today's batter-fried, syrup-laden version of Chinese food, he said, bears little resemblance to authentic cuisine.

General Tso's chicken, for example, originally made with garlic and vinegar, has evolved, he said, into "sweet chunks of chicken with batter in glumpy sauce."

very interesting article.

i remember when i went over to my chinese friend's
house and had a home cooked chinese meal for the
first time. i was like. what the hell is this?
where's the fried rice? and lo mein.
but it was so good!
i remember. it was spinach and the five flavor beef
and rice. my first authentic chinese meal.

SunWuKong
09-23-2004, 02:23 PM
i remember. it was spinach and the five flavor beef
and rice. my first authentic chinese meal.

five-flavour beef? damn i've only had it in different flavours if there are more than one beef dish. one flavour for reach dish...

applehead
09-23-2004, 09:56 PM
maybe i'm saying it wrong.
is it five spice?

yoMAMA
09-23-2004, 11:08 PM
My favorite "Chinese" food:

cheese wonton...... :redface:

artsfartsyjanet
09-24-2004, 08:39 AM
interesting article. my parents own a chinese fast food joint too. they really don't care about customer service all too much because it is under staffed and they only have thoughts of retiring and making sure the kids go to high school and college. it's more about survival than a craft. Plus, the people who come to the restaurant are mostly working class citizens who complain all the time about everything. i love and hate the chinese restaurant business. I love it because i grew up around the business. there are a lot of good memories out of it. the family unfortunately is mixed in with work. i hated that part because the emphasis was on money than quality time or what i call family. I learned a lot about management in retrospect. my parents must have done something right since it's still in business for 25 years, but i think business is declining because my parents really don't have a genuine interest in the restaurant business. the passion isn't there. *shrug*

anyway, i remember making crab rangoon, fried wontons, taking orders from customers, preparing the rice every morning, putting the vegetable oil in the wok, frying rice, mopping floor, cleaning every surface, sleeping in the wooden shelves, the stacks of soda cans, or the card board boxes late at night while my parents cleaned the restaurant to prepare for the next day. i also remember my dad carrying me home when i was too tired to walk to the car in the parking lot. i remember competing with the customers in Connect Four. Like i said. i love and hated it.

SunWuKong
09-24-2004, 09:15 AM
anyway, i remember making crab rangoon, fried wontons, taking orders from customers, preparing the rice every morning, putting the vegetable oil in the wok, frying rice, mopping floor, cleaning every surface, sleeping in the wooden shelves, the stacks of soda cans, or the card board boxes late at night while my parents cleaned the restaurant to prepare for the next day. i also remember my dad carrying me home when i was too tired to walk to the car in the parking lot. i remember competing with the customers in Connect Four. Like i said. i love and hated it.

sounds like you grew up with it. :smile:
my parents sold the restaurant after 10 years and moved to Florida. my little sister used to do some of those things you mentioned. she was very little back then, and would play with the customers and stuff. i was a dishwasher and did all the grunt work. i've stabbed my hands so many times putting teriyaki beef on their sticks. :tongue:

artsfartsyjanet
09-24-2004, 09:40 AM
sounds like you grew up with it. :smile:
my parents sold the restaurant after 10 years and moved to Florida. my little sister used to do some of those things you mentioned. she was very little back then, and would play with the customers and stuff. i was a dishwasher and did all the grunt work. i've stabbed my hands so many times putting teriyaki beef on their sticks. :tongue:


i grew up with it alright.... the restaurant is a source of aversion for me right now.... my brother is going through the same thing as i am but much better than me. he has several video games to kill his time. now, he is sensing the aversion as well but lucky him. he has a sister who takes him away from his misery temporarily. i worked at the restaurant til i was about 17 or 18. the older i got, the more absent i became.... Only school work or going to the library to research were the best excuses to get out of the restaurant. =) I remember when i was crying one day, and my parents still made me go out to take orders from the customers. they brag about me to the customers, but turn jekyl and hyde on me when they leave....they've spanked me with this metal rod that holds down the receipts/order tickets to discipline me. my mom chased me around the restaurant with a knife once. i lived in a "bi-polar" family. i wanted to be adopted. My brother expressed the same sentiments.

yoMAMA
09-24-2004, 10:00 AM
i grew up with it alright.... the restaurant is a source of aversion for me right now.... my brother is going through the same thing as i am but much better than me. he has several video games to kill his time. now, he is sensing the aversion as well but lucky him. he has a sister who takes him away from his misery temporarily. i worked at the restaurant til i was about 17 or 18. the older i got, the more absent i became.... Only school work or going to the library to research were the best excuses to get out of the restaurant. =) I remember when i was crying one day, and my parents still made me go out to take orders from the customers. they brag about me to the customers, but turn jekyl and hyde on me when they leave....they've spanked me with this metal rod that holds down the receipts/order tickets to discipline me. my mom chased me around the restaurant with a knife once. i lived in a "bi-polar" family. i wanted to be adopted. My brother expressed the same sentiments.

wow......


:eek:

artsfartsyjanet
09-24-2004, 10:14 AM
yeah, the things i had to endure. i don't know how i did it without having to resort to drugs, alcohol, or smoking. actually, now that i think about it, i have maladaptively coped... i think i've internalized the pain into myself. i did attempt suicide in the bathroom of the restaurant... but i got professional help after that point. there are still some residual behaviors i have that are subtley maladaptive, but for the most part, life is better now. don't get me wrong. i love my parents but they have problems i couldn't handle anymore with my own bare hands. life sucked back then for many reasons, but i grew out of it after living away from my parents for over 8 years. anyway, sorry, i'm diverting from the topic....

about chinese fast food, i think those soy sauce packets are bland and grose..... i can't remember who manufactured them but they are terrible. fried rice was cooked with soy sauce that turns the rice brown to dark brown. other restaurants around st.louis cook fried rice to a golden yellow. Did anyone ever make st.paul sandwiches? it's basically an a big omelette fried in a pot of oil and placed on a sandwich. it looks kinda like a hash brown. i always wondered how those things originated. i guess i can ask my parents where they got that idea from too.... anyone else have a take of the stuff on the menu?

FrankieY18
09-29-2004, 03:23 PM
it's pretty snarky especially when he first meets one and he asks if their last name is yung? first name egg foo?

my last name is Yung...but no one has asked me if my first name is egg foo... :tongue: phew