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SunWuKong
09-19-2004, 01:17 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3670204.stm

China's Jiang cedes military post

Former Chinese President Jiang Zemin has given up his last official position as head of the powerful Central Military Commission.

Current President Hu Jintao takes over in a move analysts say will consolidate his position as paramount leader.

The announcement, at the end of high- level Communist Party talks, completes China's first peaceful leadership transition since the 1949 revolution.

Some subtle changes in policy may now be expected, observers say.

Influence may remain

The BBC's Louisa Lim in Beijing says Mr Jiang, 78, and Mr Hu, 61, had been locked in an apparent power struggle.

The leadership transition began in 2002, when Mr Jiang gave up the post of party chief to the younger man who then succeeded him as president in March 2003.

But as head of China's massive army, Mr Jiang still retained a huge influence in areas such as security and foreign policy.

In recent months, there has been speculation that Mr Jiang has been suffering health problems.

Our correspondent says that in the run-up to Sunday's announcement, Mr Jiang had been put under pressure behind the scenes to relinquish more power to the younger generation.

She adds that, while there is unlikely to be an abrupt change of direction as a result of Mr Jiang's departure, there are some differences between the two men which could result in subtle shifts in foreign and economic policy.

Mr Hu has espoused a more peaceful approach, while Mr Jiang is known to be more hawkish, particularly on Taiwan, which China regards as a breakaway province.

Mr Jiang's decision to go has been welcomed by the authorities in Taiwan.

"Jiang had a stronger grip on power, while Hu looks for more opinions before making decisions," said Chiu Tai-san, vice chairman of the Taiwan's Mainland Affairs Council.

"China's policies should be more stable and not so unpredictable," he told Reuters news agency.

Despite his resignation, Mr Jiang is still expected to wield considerable influence, because China's highest decision-making body remains stacked with his allies.

Tackling corruption

Mr Hu's appointment was confirmed on the final day of a high-level meeting of the Communist Party's influential Central Committee.

The four-day meeting, which took place behind closed doors, was also expected to approve a wide-ranging document to improve party governance and tackle corruption.

Mr Hu has made clear he wants to improve the party's accountability and transparency, as well as to tackle the mounting corruption that is undermining its credibility.

yoMAMA
09-19-2004, 01:40 PM
It's about time.

SunWuKong
09-19-2004, 09:04 PM
It's about time.

yeah i'm kind of surprise. i was expecting him to stay at the post for another 3 years or so - for a total of 5 years.

VV o n g B a
09-19-2004, 10:21 PM
give it a couple of days and see if any of his ppl beg for him to stay for the good of the nation. but regardless, he'll be dead in a few years anyways...

yoMAMA
09-19-2004, 10:56 PM
give it a couple of days and see if any of his ppl beg for him to stay for the good of the nation. but regardless, he'll be dead in a few years anyways...

LOL...he's old.

VV o n g B a
09-20-2004, 07:54 AM
whoops. i misread the article. didn't realize hu had actually taken the position as opposed to jiang simply making an announcement. here's to hoping hu does more to make the gov't transparent. *crosses fingers*

SunWuKong
09-20-2004, 08:17 AM
whoops. i misread the article. didn't realize hu had actually taken the position as opposed to jiang simply making an announcement. here's to hoping hu does more to make the gov't transparent. *crosses fingers*

i don't know about transparencies, but it is said that Hu wants more reforms within the communist party itself. but it's a little difficult to move toward democratic reforms without also making the government more transparent.

at any rate. there are people who thinks that Jiang Zemin is not really giving up power, and that he's going to be controlling things behind the scenes just like Deng Xiaoping was doing in his last years.

yoMAMA
09-20-2004, 10:01 AM
I heard rumors from chinese websites that they are gonna invade taiwan...... :eek:

SunWuKong
09-20-2004, 10:07 AM
I heard rumors from chinese websites that they are gonna invade taiwan...... :eek:

which websites?

Banana
09-20-2004, 10:29 AM
I doubt that's going to happen. Too much money to be lost and China would be smart to just leave things the way they are now.

Unless you have some idiotic Taiwanese president that doesn't have anything else to run on other than saying he will make Taiwan an independent state. Oh wait. Too late.

SunWuKong
09-20-2004, 10:46 AM
Unless you have some idiotic Taiwanese president that doesn't have anything else to run on other than saying he will make Taiwan an independent state. Oh wait. Too late.

heh. :biggrin:
Chen is already telling people not to be optimistic and that nothing has basically changed. well, of course, he may be right. but hell, most people in mainland China supports reunification. even if there was a democratic government in mainland China right now, it would still push for reunificaiton.

deez nuts
09-20-2004, 04:17 PM
I heard rumors from chinese websites that they are gonna invade taiwan...... :eek:


they've been saying that for awhile now.

kuilong
09-22-2004, 01:11 PM
Well, the last word from the PRC seems to have been the May 17 Declaration, which promised to address the issue of "international living space" for the "cross-strait comrades". I wonder if this means they'll be let into the WHO.

Mr.Lum
09-22-2004, 01:17 PM
I doubt that's going to happen. Too much money to be lost and China would be smart to just leave things the way they are now.

Unless you have some idiotic Taiwanese president that doesn't have anything else to run on other than saying he will make Taiwan an independent state. Oh wait. Too late.

I kind of want China to invade Taiwan. It should have been part of China a long time ago IMHO. :redface: