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SunWuKong
09-13-2004, 12:57 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3650534.stm

Pro-China win in Hong Kong vote

Pro-Beijing parties have kept their majority in Hong Kong's legislative council, winning 34 of the 60 seats on offer in Sunday's elections.

Pro-democracy parties, which had been expected to do well, increased their seats by just three, winning 25.

There was a record turnout for the poll, which was seen as a test of public feeling towards Beijing's rule.

Former Democrat leader Martin Lee said the complicated voting system had favoured pro-China candidates.

Thirty of the Legislative Council (LegCo) seats were elected by popular vote, and the remaining 30 by special interest groups that have tended to favour the pro-Beijing camp.

Middle way

The BBC's Chris Hogg in Hong Kong says voters appear to have steered a middle way between the two camps.

He said Beijing's tactics in the run-up to the poll - offering economic incentives and events designed to promote patriotism, instead of attacking opposition candidates - seemed to have paid off.

Leading pro-Beijing politician, Tsang Yok-sing, said voters had opted for stability.

"The message we got from voters in the past few weeks is that many want ... a stable, harmonious environment," he said.

Pro-democracy candidates won 18 of the 30 directly elected seats, while pro-China candidates did well in the so-called functional constituencies.

These are reserved for trade and professional bodies like accountants and bankers, and tend to elect pro-establishment politicians wary of antagonising China.

The pro-democracy parties said they were disappointed with their showing, which analysts said could have been affected by a series of recent scandals.

"I am disappointed. It shows how unacceptable the electoral system is," said Martin Lee, former chairman of the Democratic Party, who was himself re-elected.

One winner was radical pro-democracy activist Leung Kwok-hung, better known as "Long Hair", who is a regular heckler of the government.

"I'll demonstrate my electorate's dissatisfaction towards this minority-chosen government by protesting in the council in my special way," he told Cable Television.

Around 1.7m people - 56% of eliglible voters - took part in Sunday's vote.

There were 200,000 more voters than the previous record turnout, eight years ago.

Analysts said it was the most fiercely fought election since the territory was handed back to China seven years ago.

The vote had been seen as a referendum on the aspirations of some Hong Kong residents for more democracy.

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a little disappointing, but i think the more important number to look at is the percentage of directly elected seats that are pro-democracy. i think it probably wasn't realistic to think that there would be enough directly elected pro-democracy seats to match the special interest seats. it was 30-to-30. pro-democracy groups would have had to win the overwhelming majority of votes to match the special interest seats, which are usually pro-Beijing. but 18 of the 30 directly elected seats are pro-democracy, and i think that's good news already.

yoMAMA
09-13-2004, 01:49 PM
How did martin lee "the barrister turned beijing foe" do?

:wink:

SunWuKong
09-13-2004, 02:11 PM
How did martin lee "the barrister turned beijing foe" do?

:wink:

he got re-elected of course.

yoMAMA
09-13-2004, 02:23 PM
he got re-elected of course.

But wasn't he a traitor to the motherland?

[or was it his father?]

:wink:

SunWuKong
09-13-2004, 02:24 PM
But wasn't he a traitor to the motherland?

[or was it his father?]

:wink:

yeah, he's a "traitor". but he got elected for one of the directly elected seats in LegCo.

AliBabaIncorporated
09-14-2004, 08:34 AM
Well the pro-Beijing parties like "Min Jian Lian" are a lot better at grassroots public relations, even if most of the people who vote for them are either middle-aged losers or old folks. I was walking around on Sunday and actually had a good conversation with this guy handing out fliers for them. But the guys handing out democracy fliers didn't even look my way. I even walked up and asked one of them a question about the whole office rental scandal, and he just stared at me and basically blew me off.

SunWuKong
09-14-2004, 08:45 AM
here are a couple of semi-long articles about the election on Asia Times (based in HK).

Hong Kong in search of a winner (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FI14Ad04.html) - Janus Lam

The end of HK Democrats as we know (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/FI15Ad06.html) - Lawrence Gray

i wish the online edition of South China Morning Post was free. i like that newspaper. maybe i'll just cough up the money for an online subscription.

AliBabaIncorporated
09-14-2004, 09:09 AM
i wish the online edition of South China Morning Post was free. i like that newspaper.
you're kidding, right??? As far as I'm concerned they're just a low-quality version of the IHT, with a bunch of HK news swiped from police reports or Ming Pao. Roughly zero investigative journalism. I remember actually seeing a side-by-side comparision of the same stories as reported by the Standard, the SCMP, and various Chinese papers. SCMP came out waaay at the bottom in terms of details in stories. (To be fair, part of that might be a problem of the Roman alphabet; you can cram in a LOT more information per column inch in Chinese. But the Standard does better than them.)

SunWuKong
09-14-2004, 09:30 AM
you're kidding, right???

no seriously, i like that paper. :biggrin:

I remember actually seeing a side-by-side comparision of the same stories as reported by the Standard, the SCMP, and various Chinese papers. SCMP came out waaay at the bottom in terms of details in stories. (To be fair, part of that might be a problem of the Roman alphabet; you can cram in a LOT more information per column inch in Chinese. But the Standard does better than them.)

that depends. i don't really care about seeing squished brain matter on the pavement ala Apple Daily. (ok, unfair to use Apple Daily since it's pretty trashy in my opinion.)