'Sex and the City' smash among Asian women

[achtungbaby]

Alisa Tang
Associated Press

BANGKOK, Thailand - "Sex and the City" is a television hit - and not only in the United States.

In Asia, the HBO comedy series is a smash among young professionals, even though (or maybe because) it goes against the region's traditional ideas of womanhood. For retailers and fashion houses, it's become a golden marketing tool to lure an affluent audience.

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[kimpossible]

I've watched the Taiwan broadcast version... they edit out all the good parts!

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 21 2002, 05:35 PM
I've watched the Taiwan broadcast version... they edit out all the good parts!
can't be as bad as m'sia ... i'm surprised that they even let it be shown.

[Andrew]

Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
So when women see women being portrayed as powerful and in charge of their own lives, and want to do the same... they're considered "White wannabes?" You don't need the main character to be Asian to allow Asian women to be inspired by them.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes.  Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
So when women see women being portrayed as powerful and in charge of their own lives, and want to do the same... they're considered "White wannabes?" You don't need the main character to be Asian to allow Asian women to be inspired by them.
OK, I guess we don't need any Asian Americans on TV at all. We can just get our inspiration from the white characters. Anyone who complains about the lack of Asian Americans on TV simply suffers from an inability to be "inspired" by people of all colors.

Sorry for the sarcasm... but your logic is truly puzzling. TV already forces Asian Americans to see the world through the eyes of whites. I see no benefit from exporting this skill around the world.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
So when women see women being portrayed as powerful and in charge of their own lives, and want to do the same... they're considered "White wannabes?" You don't need the main character to be Asian to allow Asian women to be inspired by them.
OK, I guess we don't need any Asian Americans on TV at all. We can just get our inspiration from the white characters. Anyone who complains about the lack of Asian Americans on TV simply suffers from an inability to be "inspired" by people of all colors.

Sorry for the sarcasm... but your logic is truly puzzling. TV already forces Asian Americans to see the world through the eyes of whites. I see no benefit from exporting this skill around the world.
Why is my logic puzzling? I never said anything about NEEDING Asians in the media or NOT needing them there. I said it's perfectly fine if a woman wants to be inspired by a woman they see on TV, regardless of race.

And okay, so yes, I agree that it would be nice if there were more Asian American role models on TV, but I think the fact that, when faced with the lack of them, I choose to look up to ambitious women on TV that just so happen to be white, does NOT make me a "wannabe white."

YOUR logic makes NO sense to me, if that's how you judge people.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
So when women see women being portrayed as powerful and in charge of their own lives, and want to do the same... they're considered "White wannabes?" You don't need the main character to be Asian to allow Asian women to be inspired by them.
OK, I guess we don't need any Asian Americans on TV at all. We can just get our inspiration from the white characters. Anyone who complains about the lack of Asian Americans on TV simply suffers from an inability to be "inspired" by people of all colors.

Sorry for the sarcasm... but your logic is truly puzzling. TV already forces Asian Americans to see the world through the eyes of whites. I see no benefit from exporting this skill around the world.
Why is my logic puzzling? I never said anything about NEEDING Asians in the media or NOT needing them there. I said it's perfectly fine if a woman wants to be inspired by a woman they see on TV, regardless of race.

And okay, so yes, I agree that it would be nice if there were more Asian American role models on TV, but I think the fact that, when faced with the lack of them, I choose to look up to ambitious women on TV that just so happen to be white, does NOT make me a "wannabe white."

YOUR logic makes NO sense to me, if that's how you judge people.
Funny how no one ever challenges white Americans on their inability or unwillingness to relate to nonwhite TV characters -- a phenomenon so prevalent that it is reflected in a multibillion-dollar market. Just for once, it would be nice to ask white Americans to try to relate to TV characters of another race, instead of always putting the onus on nonwhites in America and, now, in Thailand to do so.

You may not be a white wannabe, but you sure are a white apologist.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
So when women see women being portrayed as powerful and in charge of their own lives, and want to do the same... they're considered "White wannabes?" You don't need the main character to be Asian to allow Asian women to be inspired by them.
OK, I guess we don't need any Asian Americans on TV at all. We can just get our inspiration from the white characters. Anyone who complains about the lack of Asian Americans on TV simply suffers from an inability to be "inspired" by people of all colors.

Sorry for the sarcasm... but your logic is truly puzzling. TV already forces Asian Americans to see the world through the eyes of whites. I see no benefit from exporting this skill around the world.
Why is my logic puzzling? I never said anything about NEEDING Asians in the media or NOT needing them there. I said it's perfectly fine if a woman wants to be inspired by a woman they see on TV, regardless of race.

And okay, so yes, I agree that it would be nice if there were more Asian American role models on TV, but I think the fact that, when faced with the lack of them, I choose to look up to ambitious women on TV that just so happen to be white, does NOT make me a "wannabe white."

YOUR logic makes NO sense to me, if that's how you judge people.
Funny how no one ever challenges white Americans on their inability or unwillingness to relate to nonwhite TV characters -- a phenomenon so prevalent that it is reflected in a multibillion-dollar market. Just for once, it would be nice to ask white Americans to try to relate to TV characters of another race, instead of always putting the onus on nonwhites in America and, now, in Thailand to do so.

You may not be a white wannabe, but you sure are a white apologist.
Well, I think as an AMERICAN, it's a little easier for me to relate to a person I see on TV who is ALSO an AMERICAN... regardless of race. And I think that goes for white people, as well.

White people can't relate because they've never BEEN through things that we've been through. Doesn't that make sense to you? If some white person came up to you and said that they could TOTALLY relate to the difficulties you face growing up in a white dominated society, wouldn't you just laugh at them anyway?

And for the record, I've never known anybody to be unable to relate to a non-white character as long as the focus of the character was not on race.

And you don't know me for shit. Don't you even TRY to label me.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
So when women see women being portrayed as powerful and in charge of their own lives, and want to do the same... they're considered "White wannabes?" You don't need the main character to be Asian to allow Asian women to be inspired by them.
OK, I guess we don't need any Asian Americans on TV at all. We can just get our inspiration from the white characters. Anyone who complains about the lack of Asian Americans on TV simply suffers from an inability to be "inspired" by people of all colors.

Sorry for the sarcasm... but your logic is truly puzzling. TV already forces Asian Americans to see the world through the eyes of whites. I see no benefit from exporting this skill around the world.
Why is my logic puzzling? I never said anything about NEEDING Asians in the media or NOT needing them there. I said it's perfectly fine if a woman wants to be inspired by a woman they see on TV, regardless of race.

And okay, so yes, I agree that it would be nice if there were more Asian American role models on TV, but I think the fact that, when faced with the lack of them, I choose to look up to ambitious women on TV that just so happen to be white, does NOT make me a "wannabe white."

YOUR logic makes NO sense to me, if that's how you judge people.
Funny how no one ever challenges white Americans on their inability or unwillingness to relate to nonwhite TV characters -- a phenomenon so prevalent that it is reflected in a multibillion-dollar market. Just for once, it would be nice to ask white Americans to try to relate to TV characters of another race, instead of always putting the onus on nonwhites in America and, now, in Thailand to do so.

You may not be a white wannabe, but you sure are a white apologist.
Well, I think as an AMERICAN, it's a little easier for me to relate to a person I see on TV who is ALSO an AMERICAN... regardless of race. And I think that goes for white people, as well.

White people can't relate because they've never BEEN through things that we've been through. Doesn't that make sense to you? If some white person came up to you and said that they could TOTALLY relate to the difficulties you face growing up in a white dominated society, wouldn't you just laugh at them anyway?

And for the record, I've never known anybody to be unable to relate to a non-white character as long as the focus of the character was not on race.

And you don't know me for shit. Don't you even TRY to label me.
Let me get this straight... the reason we don't see nonwhite characters on American TV is that so many white American viewers recognize the difficulties nonwhites face in a white-dominated society? I guess that explains the endless geisha and ninja stereotypes, too.

And I guess casting directors in Hollywood never turn away Asian American actors and writers, saying "Our audience will never be able to relate to an Asian lead." Justin Lin must be lying. After all, you've "never known anybody to be unable to relate to a non-white character as long as the focus of the character was not on race." So there mustn't be any.

And I guess when Hollywood, a $500 billion industry, systematically excludes nonwhites from leading roles in motion pictures, it isn't catering to the market preferences of its white-dominated audience. After all, white audiences will rush to see movies with Asian Americans in realistic roles. Hollywood is just ignoring that fact for no good reason.

Sorry to have reduced you to profanity. I admit I don't know you. But you do seem to be putting on a pretty strong defense of white American racial attitudes.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 06:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
So when women see women being portrayed as powerful and in charge of their own lives, and want to do the same... they're considered "White wannabes?" You don't need the main character to be Asian to allow Asian women to be inspired by them.
OK, I guess we don't need any Asian Americans on TV at all. We can just get our inspiration from the white characters. Anyone who complains about the lack of Asian Americans on TV simply suffers from an inability to be "inspired" by people of all colors.

Sorry for the sarcasm... but your logic is truly puzzling. TV already forces Asian Americans to see the world through the eyes of whites. I see no benefit from exporting this skill around the world.
Why is my logic puzzling? I never said anything about NEEDING Asians in the media or NOT needing them there. I said it's perfectly fine if a woman wants to be inspired by a woman they see on TV, regardless of race.

And okay, so yes, I agree that it would be nice if there were more Asian American role models on TV, but I think the fact that, when faced with the lack of them, I choose to look up to ambitious women on TV that just so happen to be white, does NOT make me a "wannabe white."

YOUR logic makes NO sense to me, if that's how you judge people.
Funny how no one ever challenges white Americans on their inability or unwillingness to relate to nonwhite TV characters -- a phenomenon so prevalent that it is reflected in a multibillion-dollar market. Just for once, it would be nice to ask white Americans to try to relate to TV characters of another race, instead of always putting the onus on nonwhites in America and, now, in Thailand to do so.

You may not be a white wannabe, but you sure are a white apologist.
Well, I think as an AMERICAN, it's a little easier for me to relate to a person I see on TV who is ALSO an AMERICAN... regardless of race. And I think that goes for white people, as well.

White people can't relate because they've never BEEN through things that we've been through. Doesn't that make sense to you? If some white person came up to you and said that they could TOTALLY relate to the difficulties you face growing up in a white dominated society, wouldn't you just laugh at them anyway?

And for the record, I've never known anybody to be unable to relate to a non-white character as long as the focus of the character was not on race.

And you don't know me for shit. Don't you even TRY to label me.
Let me get this straight... the reason we don't see nonwhite characters on American TV is that so many white American viewers recognize the difficulties nonwhites face in a white-dominated society? I guess that explains the endless geisha and ninja stereotypes, too.

And I guess casting directors in Hollywood never turn away Asian American actors and writers, saying "Our audience will never be able to relate to an Asian lead." Justin Lin must be lying. After all, you've "never known anybody to be unable to relate to a non-white character as long as the focus of the character was not on race." So there mustn't be any.

And I guess when Hollywood, a $500 billion industry, systematically excludes nonwhites from leading roles in motion pictures, it isn't catering to the market preferences of its white-dominated audience. After all, white audiences will rush to see movies with Asian Americans in realistic roles. Hollywood is just ignoring that fact for no good reason.

Sorry to have reduced you to profanity. I admit I don't know you. But you do seem to be putting on a pretty strong defense of white American racial attitudes.
Jeesus. Did you not even bother to READ my earlier post that stated how awesome I think it would be to have more Asian-American role models in the media? God, all I wanted to say is that there is absolutely fucking NOTHING wrong with looking up to people I see on TV and aspiring to have their strong, independent, and powerful traits even though they're not Asian.

And I definately think that the fact that a white person typically does not have any idea in the world what it feels like to be a minority has a little something to do with the fact that, face it, they just don't relate.

But I think when the character on TV is portrayed as a HUMAN BEING, without the focus being on race... no matter what ethnicity they are, they are able to have a universal appeal on many levels.

At no time did I say that we don't NEED Asian people on TV. I just wanted to point out that calling those who look up to non-Asians they see in the media "wannabe whites" is so blatantly close-minded that it makes me wish I wasn't Asian, just so I could look up to my role models without being criticized.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 08:03 AM
At no time did I say that we don't NEED Asian people on TV. I just wanted to point out that calling those who look up to non-Asians they see in the media "wannabe whites" is so blatantly close-minded that it makes me wish I wasn't Asian, just so I could look up to my role models without being criticized.
Since we agree that there aren't enough Asian American characters on TV, it follows that Asian American viewers are in a state of deprivation. Why then celebrate the extension of that deprivation to Thailand?

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 08:03 AM
At no time did I say that we don't NEED Asian people on TV.  I just wanted to point out that calling those who look up to non-Asians they see in the media "wannabe whites" is so blatantly close-minded that it makes me wish I wasn't Asian, just so I could look up to my role models without being criticized.
Since we agree that there aren't enough Asian American characters on TV, it follows that Asian American viewers are in a state of deprivation. Why then celebrate the extension of that deprivation to Thailand?
I do not consider myself in a state of deprivation. I have plenty of role models, and quite personally, I don't really take anything I see on TV seriously.

Stop avoiding the question. I want to know what is so wrong about looking up to somebody who deomonstraits traits that are very admirable who happens to have different color skin than I. Why does this behavior suddenly put me in a category of a "wannabe white?"

That is the bottom line. That's what I want to know, and, quite honestly, I don't give a crap about anything else you say until you answer that question.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 08:03 AM
At no time did I say that we don't NEED Asian people on TV. I just wanted to point out that calling those who look up to non-Asians they see in the media "wannabe whites" is so blatantly close-minded that it makes me wish I wasn't Asian, just so I could look up to my role models without being criticized.
Since we agree that there aren't enough Asian American characters on TV, it follows that Asian American viewers are in a state of deprivation. Why then celebrate the extension of that deprivation to Thailand?
I do not consider myself in a state of deprivation. I have plenty of role models, and quite personally, I don't really take anything I see on TV seriously.

Stop avoiding the question. I want to know what is so wrong about looking up to somebody who deomonstraits traits that are very admirable who happens to have different color skin than I. Why does this behavior suddenly put me in a category of a "wannabe white?"

That is the bottom line. That's what I want to know, and, quite honestly, I don't give a crap about anything else you say until you answer that question.
I never put you in the category of wannabe white. You volunteered for this discussion.

"Sex and the City" serves Thai TV audiences an image of America consisting of a steady diet of affluent, beautiful white protagonists and marginalized or nonexistent nonwhite characters. In the context of massive economic and cultural pressures on Thailand to become more like America, the uncritical reception of the show by Thai audiences is alarming. In expressing concern that Thailand is entering the world of "white wannabes," I am suggesting that Thai audiences are likely to lack the economic and cultural power to resist the pressures of American media to impose a racial hierarchy that subordinates them.

Don't forget that Carrie, Samantha, Charlotte and Miranda aren't raceless characters. They're white, and in American society in the year 2002, that means that their race is a big part of what makes them empowered and independent. (I assume you're familiar with the concept of white privilege.) I grant that empowerment and independence may be universally admirable aspirations, but the use of white characters to embody those aspirations only underscores how remote those goals are for most Asian Americans and Asians.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 09:17 AM
I never put you in the category of wannabe white. You volunteered for this discussion.

"Sex and the City" serves Thai TV audiences an image of America consisting of a steady diet of affluent, beautiful white protagonists and marginalized or nonexistent nonwhite characters. In the context of massive economic and cultural pressures on Thailand to become more like America, the uncritical reception of the show by Thai audiences is alarming. In expressing concern that Thailand is entering the world of "white wannabes," I am suggesting that Thai audiences are likely to lack the economic and cultural power to resist the pressures of American media to impose a racial hierarchy that subordinates them.

Don't forget that Carrie, Samantha, Charlotte and Miranda aren't raceless characters. They're white, and in American society in the year 2002, that means that their race is a big part of what makes them empowered and independent. (I assume you're familiar with the concept of white privilege.) I grant that empowerment and independence may be universally admirable aspirations, but the use of white characters to embody those aspirations only underscores how remote those goals are for most Asian Americans and Asians.
America is, for the time being, the most major power in the world. We set a precedent for other nations to follow. If other nations see America equating to white, they're wrong. Most people understand that what they see on TV isn't REAL. Becoming more like America has nothing to do with becoming "white."

Have you ever seen "Sex in the City?" It's a good show. Maybe that's why the response is the way it is. I honestly don't think the reception of the show has anything to do with Thai audiences wanting to be white.

And, sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't think that the characters are at all centered on race. I honestly don't think their race is a big part of what makes them empowered and independent. White privilege exists, but not on TV. Lets remember we're not talking about real life here. And I think on a TV show designed for American audiences, employing the use of white characters is not something that was designed to put Asians at some lower level.

Here's the bottom line: The show was a hit in America. Since it was so successful, it's being broadcast in other nations. End of story. This isn't some weird plot to get Thailand to turn into another white America, this isn't some plot to demoralize Asians. It's to make money. The show is a success. Why does everything in the world have to revolve around white attitudes toward Asians?

Fine, whatever, don't call me a white apologist either. Just because I'm not in favor of us being treated *SPECIAL* for our race doesn't mean I'm in favor of the big bad white man bringing us down. *Rolls eyes*

[Andrew]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:03 PM
White privilege exists, but not on TV.
White privilege is even more prevalent on TV than in real life. At least in real life, nonwhites can occupy diverse roles and organize to have their perspectives heard.

We're obviously on different planets.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Oct 14 2002, 07:03 PM
White privilege exists, but not on TV.
White privilege is even more prevalent on TV than in real life. At least in real life, nonwhites can occupy diverse roles and organize to have their perspectives heard.

We're obviously on different planets.
Okay, maybe I worded that response wrong. I know white privilege exists in the world, I'm just saying that when we're talking about a TV show, there's no mention of how these people got where they are. So there's no evidence of white privilege or whatnot. What characters are depicted in the media on TV shows, they're written to always be on top, always know what they're doing, and always present their best faces forward, at least in the workplace. Yes, characters, too, are flawed individuals, but let's remember that they're written characters. Nobody on TV has a job they don't deserve.

[DaBestSpooner]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 01:47 AM
Great... yet another Asian country to follow Japan into the world of white wannabes. Until we start exporting shows with realistic images of Asian Americans, Asian American empowerment is a global issue, folks.
Visit and live in japan for a while before you say something as ignorant as that.

[DaBestSpooner]

and I hate sex and the city

its a unrealistic show about waspy unnattractive women who can somehow empower themselves through frequent sex with attractive men despite the fact there are at least 4 million better looking sexually active and promiscuous(easy) women living in nyc.

[himura-dono]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:53 AM

Sorry to have reduced you to profanity. I admit I don't know you. But you do seem to be putting on a pretty strong defense of white American racial attitudes.
maybe she's not trying to follow in the lines of bigotry that all races are trying to remove from their ideas, unlike you sir.

you are the kind of person i dislike greatly. one who says "we need more representation" which i approve of whole heartedly. and then you flush any approval of your ideas down the proverbial shitter when you say racially motivated shit about caucasians. x_X america does NOT = caucasian, but people like you will promote it as such and whine and complain about it, but never do anything about promoting more asian representation because that would leave you without fuel for the fire that you have inside. get off the soapbox if you're going to be biased. people that have an understanding should be allowed on it, but not a borderline racist. yeesh.

and the white apologist comment was completely fucked as well. honestly, i have more respect for someone that tries to explain other sides of an argument, rather than one who thinks they know the whole argument, backwards and forwards, yet only fights one side, and weakly in your case.

[DaBestSpooner]

Originally posted by Morientes@Oct 26 2002, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 09:17 AM
"Sex and the City" serves Thai TV audiences an image of America consisting of a steady diet of affluent, beautiful white protagonists
Man you have got to be kidding me. Oh well, i guess beauty is subjective.

On the topic of Sex and the City: I never liked that show. It was not because I resented that show for some racially motivated reason; I just felt that it was mundane and monotonous seeing women screwing around (I told you I did'nt watch the series). Hell, I did'nt even know their names before I came onto this website.

Call me behind the times but I find hard to comprehend why people would find a series about women discussing their sex lives to each other interesting. I think series such as this appeal to the sentiments of whites primarily since they seem to be more interested in dialogue and interpersonal interaction.
I think this type of show appeals to those who have no sex life.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 27 2002, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Morientes@Oct 26 2002, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 09:17 AM
"Sex and the City" serves Thai TV audiences an image of America consisting of a steady diet of affluent, beautiful white protagonists
Man you have got to be kidding me. Oh well, i guess beauty is subjective.

On the topic of Sex and the City: I never liked that show. It was not because I resented that show for some racially motivated reason; I just felt that it was mundane and monotonous seeing women screwing around (I told you I did'nt watch the series). Hell, I did'nt even know their names before I came onto this website.

Call me behind the times but I find hard to comprehend why people would find a series about women discussing their sex lives to each other interesting. I think series such as this appeal to the sentiments of whites primarily since they seem to be more interested in dialogue and interpersonal interaction.
I think this type of show appeals to those who have no sex life.
It's a good show, but then again, girls watch anything.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by himura-dono@Oct 26 2002, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 14 2002, 07:53 AM

Sorry to have reduced you to profanity.  I admit I don't know you.  But you do seem to be putting on a pretty strong defense of white American racial attitudes.
maybe she's not trying to follow in the lines of bigotry that all races are trying to remove from their ideas, unlike you sir.

you are the kind of person i dislike greatly. one who says "we need more representation" which i approve of whole heartedly. and then you flush any approval of your ideas down the proverbial shitter when you say racially motivated shit about caucasians. x_X america does NOT = caucasian, but people like you will promote it as such and whine and complain about it, but never do anything about promoting more asian representation because that would leave you without fuel for the fire that you have inside. get off the soapbox if you're going to be biased. people that have an understanding should be allowed on it, but not a borderline racist. yeesh.

and the white apologist comment was completely fucked as well. honestly, i have more respect for someone that tries to explain other sides of an argument, rather than one who thinks they know the whole argument, backwards and forwards, yet only fights one side, and weakly in your case.
Thanks. :) Glad somebody sees my point.