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Martino
09-02-2004, 05:46 AM
S Korea in 'rogue' nuclear trials


The South Korean Government has admitted its scientists experimented secretly with nuclear fuel enrichment.


Experts say the technique used could have military implications, but a government official denied any intention to build a weapons programme.

A European based diplomat said the work was a violation of South Korea's international nuclear commitments.

The discovery could lead to calls for South Korea to be referred to the UN Security Council, like North Korea.

It is also likely to cause severe embarrassment to Seoul, and its key ally the US.

A team from the IAEA secretly rushed to South Korea last week, after the government revealed that the country had broken its commitments on nuclear proliferation.

Seoul made the admission under the terms of a tougher inspection regime that is just coming into effect.

A South Korean government official told the BBC that the research, which involved the use of lasers to enrich nuclear fuel, was not authorised by the government.

The official said it was a "rogue" operation which ended four years ago, and concerned the production of highly enriched uranium, which could be used for an atomic bomb.

The official said the research was for the domestic production of nuclear fuel for the country's civil programme.

However, according to analysts, there is no credible civilian use for the technique, which uses lasers to create weapons-grade uranium.

'Same as Iran'

South Korean officials said the government only found out about the experiments in the last few months, and were now investigating the scientists responsible.

A European-based diplomat said their actions were a clear violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, and could put South Korea into the same category as Iran.

South Korea abandoned a nuclear weapons programme in the 1970s, under intense pressure from the United States.

It has since committed itself to a nuclear-free Korean peninsula, and has been at the forefront of efforts to persuade North Korea to give up its development of atomic bombs.

The finding is likely to cause deep embarrassment to the US, which regards Seoul as a close ally in its attempts to persuade the North to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3620566.stm

Embarrassing as, at the same time ...

US seeks UN action against Iran

The US wants the UN to impose sanctions on Iran over its alleged nuclear weapons programme, says Secretary of State Colin Powell.

He was speaking after a report by the UN nuclear agency said Iran planned to test a facility that could convert raw uranium into weapons-grade material.

Mr Powell said the US wanted the issue to be referred to the UN Security Council for action.

Tehran insists the only purpose of its nuclear programme is power generation.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report said Iran wants to turn 37 tonnes of raw "yellow cake" uranium into uranium hexafluoride which can be used to produce enriched uranium by spinning it in centrifuges.

This can in turn be used to generate power or for nuclear warheads, depending on the level of enrichment.

But the document said Iran did not appear to be operating or installing centrifuges.

Tehran welcomed the report, saying it was a positive step towards demonstrating the peaceful nature of its nuclear project.

But Colin Powell said the US would be urging the IAEA board in coming days to refer the report to the UN Security Council, which could impose economic, political or diplomatic sanctions against Iran.

"We still believe the Iranians are not 'fessing up to everything. They still have a programme that, in our judgement, is a nuclear programme designed to develop ultimately a nuclear weapon," he told reporters on a one-day trip to Panama.

But he acknowledged other board members of the IAEA - which include Germany, Britain and France - did not favour sanctions at this time.

"There are a number of countries I think that would say, 'No, let's not do it yet; let's take another look at it in November'. We think there's enough now to do it, but I obviously have to hear what others have to say," he said.

The IAEA board is next due to meet in November.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3620222.stm


This will be a good test to see whether Powell is genuinely concerned about countries violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, or whether he is just trying to childishly score points over an old adversary.

AliBabaIncorporated
09-02-2004, 05:59 AM
Let's invade South Korea and put some military bases there.

Japan can play the role of France and tell us not to try occupying Korea cuz they did it before and it was a pain in the ass.

Then Jonah Goldberg will start calling the Japanese fish eating surrender monkeys.

Conservative publications will claim that Japan's position is being influenced by it's massive criminal Korean population who terrorize the majority.

Michael Moore will make a movie claiming Bush did it on behest of evil CEOs in order to crush competition from Korean industry

It'll be a fucking blast

Banana
09-02-2004, 10:11 AM
Let's invade South Korea and put some military bases there.

Japan can play the role of France and tell us not to try occupying Korea cuz they did it before and it was a pain in the ass.

Then Jonah Goldberg will start calling the Japanese fish eating surrender monkeys.

Conservative publications will claim that Japan's position is being influenced by it's massive criminal Korean population who terrorize the majority.

Michael Moore will make a movie claiming Bush did it on behest of evil CEOs in order to crush competition from Korean industry

It'll be a fucking blast

hahah, nice man.

SunWuKong
09-03-2004, 09:47 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3623492.stm

Seoul allies calm on nuclear shock

South Korea's key allies have played down a shock admission that its scientists carried out a secret experiment to enrich uranium in 2000.

The US State Department said the experiment should not have occurred, but praised Seoul for owning up to it.

Japan said the incident was regrettable but that it did not believe South Korea planned to build a bomb.

The admission has embarrassed Seoul and the US, who are pressing North Korea to end its nuclear ambitions.

South Korea says it informed the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN's nuclear watchdog, about the experiment last week.

Officials said a very small amount of uranium - 0.2 of a gram - was produced, by scientists who did not have government approval. Officials also insisted the experiment was conducted for its civilian nuclear power industry, and not for military purposes.

But diplomats and foreign analysts said the uranium produced was so enriched it was almost weapons grade, and far more enriched than is used in civilian programmes.

The technique involved, using high-powered lasers, is also extremely expensive, raising doubts about how it could have gone ahead without official approval.

Disarmament talks

The BBC's correspondent in Seoul, Charles Scanlon, says key questions remain about the quality of the uranium that was produced and when the machinery was destroyed.

On Friday, a foreign ministry spokesman said the machinery was dismantled several months after the experiment, but refused to give a date. Officials had earlier said that the facilities were destroyed immediately afterwards.

South Korea's disclosure may also complicate efforts to persuade North Korea to end its nuclear plans.

The US, Japan and South Korea have been participating in six-party talks aimed at dismantling North Korea's nuclear programme, which are due to resume by the end of the month.

Japan said the revelations were unlikely to derail the talks with North Korea.

Foreign minister Yoriko Kawaguchi said the issue was solely between South Korea and the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

US state department spokesman Richard Boucher said the scale of South Korea's enrichment activity was "much, much smaller than that being discussed in the situations of North Korea or Iran".

But our correspondent says the North is likely to claim double standards and could delay negotiations.

Some analysts say the international community needs to now come down hard on South Korea to show the rest of the world that it is even-handed on nuclear proliferation.

South Korean officials said the government only found out about the experiments in the last few months, and were now investigating the scientists responsible.

South Korea abandoned a nuclear weapons programme in the 1970s, under intense pressure from the US.

IAEA inspectors are in South Korea to investigate the claims, and will be present their findings to the agency on 13 September.

Martino
09-03-2004, 11:26 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3623492.stm

[b]Seoul allies calm on nuclear shock

The US State Department said the experiment should not have occurred, but praised Seoul for owning up to it.

Uh ... they didn't own up voluntarily. The experiments came to light because the IAEA had introduced more stringent checks.

Ironic really. It was the US who had been pressuring the IAEA to be more strict, because it wanted a tool with which to hammer down Iran, but it turns out an American ally was being more secretive and acting more suspiciously than Iran.

Every action the US takes seems to have negative consequences in the bigger picture.

SunWuKong
09-03-2004, 12:37 PM
Uh ... they didn't own up voluntarily. The experiments came to light because the IAEA had introduced more stringent checks.

Ironic really. It was the US who had been pressuring the IAEA to be more strict, because it wanted a tool with which to hammer down Iran, but it turns out an American ally was being more secretive and acting more suspiciously than Iran.

Every action the US takes seems to have negative consequences in the bigger picture.

well it's a technicality i guess. if they didn't come out with it themselves, they would have been exposed, which would have been many many times worse.

but regardless, i feel the comparison with North Korea is not exactly valid because South Korea has been shown to be a relatively responsible nation in the international scene. whereas Kim Jong Il is prone to lob missles over Japan whenever he feels like it.

i don't know about Iran though, or what exactly it's done to deserve the western criticism. (not a rhetorical statement, i honestly don't know much about Iran other than that Persian women are hot.)

Martino
09-03-2004, 01:42 PM
but regardless, i feel the comparison with North Korea is not exactly valid because South Korea has been shown to be a relatively responsible nation in the international scene. whereas Kim Jong Il is prone to lob missles over Japan whenever he feels like it.

i don't know about Iran though, or what exactly it's done to deserve the western criticism. (not a rhetorical statement, i honestly don't know much about Iran other than that Persian women are hot.)

It's not a question of whether a country is relatively responsible - it's not a matter of which country is violating treaties or resolutions, it's a matter of all the, um, rule-breakers being treated equally and fairly. It's not a matter for the US to selectively decide who to turn a blind eye to.

But .... well ... Iran openly develops nuclear power - they're bad. Korea secretly develops nuclear power - ah, what's a few nuclear warheads between friends.

That's not what non-proliferation is about.

Arex
09-03-2004, 02:49 PM
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report said Iran wants to turn 37 tonnes of raw "yellow cake" uranium into uranium hexafluoride which can be used to produce enriched uranium by spinning it in centrifuges.

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But Colin Powell said the US would be urging the IAEA board in coming days to refer the report to the UN Security Council, which could impose economic, political or diplomatic sanctions against Iran.

"We still believe the Iranians are not 'fessing up to everything. They still have a programme that, in our judgement, is a nuclear programme designed to develop ultimately a nuclear weapon," he told reporters on a one-day trip to Panama.

But he acknowledged other board members of the IAEA - which include Germany, Britain and France - did not favour sanctions at this time.

"There are a number of countries I think that would say, 'No, let's not do it yet; let's take another look at it in November'. We think there's enough now to do it, but I obviously have to hear what others have to say," he said.
So we rush into a preemptive war against Iraq, against the will of our allies, in part because some forged documents suggested that Iraq attempted to purchase "yellow cake." But when we already know that Iran (part of the Axis of Evil, mind you) has 37 tons of the stuff, now the administration wants to hear what others have to say... I guess that's a start. Maybe the administration does have the capacity to learn from past mistakes.


RX

yoMAMA
09-03-2004, 03:40 PM
Let's liberate south korea!

I have my eyes on those 21 inch LCD monitors
:p

Martino
09-03-2004, 04:43 PM
Maybe the administration does have the capacity to learn from past mistakes.

I wish. The US is still supporting two Iraq look-a-like dictatorships in the region, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

My favourite, Kazakhstan, pretends to be a democracy but imprisons pro-democracy activists. True, Kazakhstan does hold democratic 'elections', in a contest between the Asar party and the Otan party ... but both parties are financed and ruled by the same family, the head of which has been in power for 15 years. You gotta admire their style!