rnc convention

[VV o n g B a]

can anyone give some less biased opinions? i missed yesterday's speeches by mccain and guilianni but caught tonights.

i'm afraid that i didn't like any of it. and i think arnold gave a great speech. his great speech meant nothing to me simply b/c it was in support of bush. i almost hated him for it. that was an unsettling realization. i've become too partisan.

bush's daughters laughed like complete airheads. nothing surprising there.

and laura was stiff and boring and seemed a little out of place. it felt like she talked about things she didn't have the capacity to completely understand. it was like listening to a speech read off of notecards by a gradeschooler.

[applehead]

yeah. they need to get the hell out of nyc.
they're causing too much trouble.
and the protesters too.
they all need to leave.
it's tax free week in nyc and it's making
it a pain in the ass for my friends
and i to shop in manhattan.

and that's all i have to say about that. :biggrin:

oh okay. and i was really disappointed
to hear guliani speak so highly of bush.

[Yeahman]

I only caught Laura's speech. After 2 minutes I switched over to the World Series of Poker.

The Republican party is one well oiled machine. Guiliani, Bloomberg, and Pataki were all once Democrats. Now they are partisan Republicans throwing their full support behind the most hated Republican in a generation. Feel the power of Rove!

[Faithless]

Common themes --
War on Terror.
Remember 9/11.

The First Lady compared George W. to Nelson Mandela. That's a good one. I'd like to know how you do that.

[hooligan]

Common themes --
War on Terror.
Remember 9/11.

The First Lady compared George W. to Nelson Mandela. That's a good one. I'd like to know how you do that.
Wouldn't they have an easier time comparing him to Ronald Reagan?

[Faithless]

Wouldn't they have an easier time comparing him to Ronald Reagan?
You mean a Bush to Reagan comparison? I understand that you can't compare. Reagan supposedly embodied more of the ideals of the Republicans than Bush.

This whole thing of comparing to Mandela -- I hope that it's played up. (Did Laura Bush really think that one up on her own?)

Cheney was no supporter of Mandela during all those years of struggling for freedom over Apartheid. Reagan supposedly denounced Mandela at that time as well.

And even more, Bush was into his alcohol and coke, when Mandela was imprisoned.

[Yeahman]

Mandela denounced Bush and the two refuse to meet with each other.
Compare Bush to Reagan while Ron Reagan is critisizing him during the MSNBC coverage?
The theme for the first night was 9/11. The same exact theme for the opening night of the DNC. Only difference being that the DNC juiced a lot more out of the 9/11 sympathy that night.

[Kuchana]

Wow. I'm really liking Arnold's speech more and more by the minute. It's so inspiring to hear about how he came from Austria to live the American Dream. It was an electrifying speech and not surprisenly he stole the show.

I like these lines from his speech:

To my fellow immigrants listening tonight, I want you to know how welcome you are in this party. We Republicans admire your ambition. We encourage your dreams. We believe in your future. One thing I learned about America is that if you work hard and play by the rules, this country is truly open to you. You can achieve anything.

Laura Bush's speech was good, too. I like how she humanized her husband to the public.

I like these lines from her speech:

No American President ever wants to go to war. Abraham Lincoln didn’t want to go to war, but he knew saving the union required it. Franklin Roosevelt didn’t want to go to war - but he knew defeating tyranny demanded it. And my husband didn’t want to go to war, but he knew the safety and security of America and the world depended on it.

And I remember sitting in the window of the White House, watching as my husband walked on the lawn below. I knew he was wrestling with these agonizing decisions that would have such profound consequence for so many lives and for the future of our world.

As we watch the people of Iraq and Afghanistan take the first steps to build free countries, I am reminded of what Vaclav Havel told me. Vaclav Havel -- playwright, intellectual, freedom fighter, political prisoner, then President of the Czech Republic -- said "Laura, you know, democracy is hard: it requires the participation of everybody." I think of how long it took us in our country, even though we were given such a perfect document by our founders. It took almost 100 years after the founders declared that all men are created equal for America to abolish slavery-- and not until 84 years ago this month did American women get the right to vote. Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals -- yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work.

[Tao]

yeah, if i didn't know any better arnold would've converted me. his speech was really good, i was impressed.

[Banana]

I think the credit goes to the person that wrote it for him. :P

[Kuchana]

I think the credit goes to the person that wrote it for him. :P

Regardless of anything, he delivered.

[Mr.Lum]

The First Lady compared George W. to Nelson Mandela. That's a good one. I'd like to know how you do that.

LOL. GW was against freedom for all. His whole kin was. There is no comparision other than that they are male and have led a country.

Wow. I'm really liking Arnold's speech more and more by the minute. It's so inspiring to hear about how he came from Austria to live the American Dream

LOL. You mean how he moved from the First World....to the First World?

Laura Bush's speech was good, too. I like how she humanized her husband to the public

I didn't like it at all. It was condescending and elementary. I think if she were speaking to me, I would go off thinking she was a bitch.

[Kuchana]

LOL. GW was against freedom for all. His whole kin was. There is no comparision other than that they are male and have led a country.



LOL. You mean how he moved from the First World....to the First World?



I didn't like it at all. It was condescending and elementary. I think if she were speaking to me, I would go off thinking she was a bitch.

Well gee thanks for your input but do try to set aside the bitterness a little please?

It was a good speech by both Arnold and Laura whether you like it or not.

[hooligan]

A lot of my immigrants friends were saying that it sounded like he was playing up his immigrant experience. I would agree, there's not only a racial difference with his immigrant experience, but a class one as well. Not to mention that he's a male. It's hard to for him to relate to a poor immigrant experience.

lol @ mr. lum. First world baby.

[Faithless]

I didn't like it at all. It was condescending and elementary. I think if she were speaking to me, I would go off thinking she was a bitch.
I concur. (Agree, troof, whatever.)

More weird comparisons:
* Abe Lincoln, and
* FDR.

One could argue that Honest Abe and FDR went to war in defense of this country. Dishonest Bush's Iraq went to war proactively.

I realize that Laura may have been talking about the war with the Taliban, but she can't skirt the war with Iraq.

[Mr.Lum]

Well gee thanks for your input but do try to set aside the bitterness a little please?

I'm not bitter. I just have Ronnie's sunny optomism.

I would agree, there's not only a racial difference with his immigrant experience, but a class one as well. Not to mention that he's a male. It's hard to for him to relate to a poor immigrant experience.


My thoughts exactly. I found it to be well stated (for Arnald) but over all pretty empty. This rich, body builder, Austrian, movie star, white male is telling me about how he overcame hardship? What hardship? Change his color, make him from Egypt or Mexico. Now pass my hammer sir. Very hollow.

It was a good speech by both Arnold and Laura whether you like it or not.
Laura's was shitty. Her husband gives better speeches on his bad days. She sounded like my kindergarden teacher telling me how to sound out words.

[Faithless]

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I think the credit goes to the person that wrote it for him. :P
Arnie's damn speech was more about himself than the president.

What gives?

[Kuchana]

I'm not bitter. I just have Ronnie's sunny optomism.



My thoughts exactly. I found it to be well stated (for Arnald) but over all pretty empty. This rich, body builder, Austrian, movie star, white male is telling me about how he overcame hardship? What hardship? Change his color, make him from Egypt or Mexico. Now pass my hammer sir. Very hollow.


Laura's was shitty. Her husband gives better speeches on his bad days. She sounded like my kindergarden teacher telling me how to sound out words.

To each his/her own.

I don't think Arnold's speech was empty. Contrary to that, it was inspiring in my eyes. No matter the fact that he's a male, Austrian, whatever. The fact is his speech resonated in me because I could see where he was coming from. I don't think that you should even downplay Arnold's experience as an immigrant. We each have different experiences and who is to say that one is better or less difficult than the other's?

[hooligan]

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Arnie's damn speech was more about himself than the president.

What gives?

He's going to be the president.

[Faithless]

He's going to be the president.
He would fantisize, such.

The Constitutions got to change for that.

I don't think Arnie's the person to change it for. :rolleyes:

[Mr.Lum]

We each have different experiences and who is to say that one is better or less difficult than the other's?


His experiecnce is not encouraging or inspiring to me because I am not white. Why is Arnald never cast as a goofy foreigner? He's always American, look at Jackie Chan. He's nothing but a joke. This is also the man who ridicules Asian actors/people. It's easy for white immigrants to do what he did. That's like highlighting George's school career, "he went into the presigious Yale University..." but, wasn't he text book legacy? Poor grades, rich/alum daddy and white male? Yes. He made no extraordinary leap or bound. Doyou know how many north/West European immigrants I know who did just the same but as teachers or lawyers etc? Pahleese.

[hooligan]

To each his/her own.

I don't think Arnold's speech was empty. Contrary to that, it was inspiring in my eyes. No matter the fact that he's a male, Austrian, whatever. The fact is his speech resonated in me because I could see where he was coming from. I don't think that you should even downplay Arnold's experience as an immigrant. We each have different experiences and who is to say that one is better or less difficult than the other's?

Just that his speech rang hollow for both mr. lum and i because it's hard for us to relate to an experience of from what I see as priveleged, white, male. It's not inspiring to me because what it says is that he was able to make it because he was everything my parents were not.

[Mr.Lum]

^Exactly. The immigrants in my family did acctual work. They fled horrible violence and terror (Occupied Terr, Algeria, China) and many of them are doing well but msot are not. Why? Because they look like "terrorists" or worship the wrong God.

[ism]

Wow they keep picking out the few minority audience members. But Zell's got a great speech going. Best one so far. Arnold's was dull and boring.

[Yeahman]

Hearing Zell's speach made me want to go beat up a Kerry supporter. Awesome speach even though it was very misleading.
I wanted to see Bush Sr's reaction when Zell mentioned that Kerry was against the B2 bomber which Bush Sr actually shut down.

[TB4000]

As charasmatic as "Da Terminatah" sounded earlier, and as much as he tried to be empathetic to all, it just didn't sit right with me.

[VV o n g B a]

Hearing Zell's speach made me want to go beat up a Kerry supporter. Awesome speach even though it was very misleading.
I wanted to see Bush Sr's reaction when Zell mentioned that Kerry was against the B2 bomber which Bush Sr actually shut down.
haha, zell's speech made me wanna beat up zell. he was like a rabid dog that needed to be put down immediately before he ripped the throat out of bystanders. i utterly loathed him during that speech. but i'm sure that the point was to get the base out to vote and in that respect, it prolly achieved its goal.

cheney was a surprise also. zell's speech was so extreme that it made cheney look like paris hilton's chihuahua. his speech was very un-rabid. it reminded me of a university lecture. and cheney had some good zingers too.

i wonder if this was all part of the gop's plan...

[ism]

1001 reasons to hate the convention -- http://www.nypress.com/17/35/news&columns/feature.cfmDelegates from Kansas spotting Dave Chappelle on the streets 50 times a day.
Chinese Communist Party will think this is "what Democracy looks like," setting democratic reforms back 50 years.
Protest war stories from people who spent previous 364 days watching MTV.
Wolfowitz buys the last comb at Ricky’s.


a lot of city in-jokes and reference but a solid section on 9/11 and somewhat in the middle politically. fairly amusing and surprisngly informative for an amusing article. =D

[yoMAMA]

Zell and cheney seemed like two hate mongers.

Wow.....never realized the GOP were this Negative and hateful.

[Mr.Lum]

haha, zell's speech made me wanna beat up zell. he was like a rabid dog that needed to be put down immediately before he ripped the throat out of bystanders. i utterly loathed him during that speech. but i'm sure that the point was to get the base out to vote and in that respect, it prolly achieved its goal.

cheney was a surprise also. zell's speech was so extreme that it made cheney look like paris hilton's chihuahua. his speech was very un-rabid. it reminded me of a university lecture. and cheney had some good zingers too.

i wonder if this was all part of the gop's plan...

Well der, they put on the very very hardline guy full of hate and evil like much of the Party is, then put on the very very very hardline guy but tell him not to yell so he looks more human, not showing all the evil and hate in the party as much. Cheney looks evil, always. That smirk he constantly has can be blamed. He's just shady. Shady.

[amietron]

i've been watching on and off.

i thought schwartzeneggar's tie was especially nice.

[hooligan]

From Angry Asian Man:

Jan Ting, Asian American, representing Delaware makes an NPR report from the RNC

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=3885251

check, check it out.

[nonamerasian]

This has been a boring convention.

I couldn't get into it.

[A.R.A.M.]

I watched part of Cheney's speech. He had a great moment when he said, with his infamous sneer, "Kerry sees two Americas. Well, the feeling's mutual. America sees two Kerrys."

But the audience stole the show during Cheney's speech. Booing on cue; chanting flip-flop at all the right moments; and cheering "4 more years." It was like the audience was either following a teleprompter of sorts, or they are a mindless mob. My money's on them being a mob. It was funny to watch, but completely turned me off to the Republican party.

[Faithless]

And you see the two pictures that are being painted between Donkies and Elephants.

Elephants -- seemingly more focus on the war on terror.

Donkies -- seemingly returning focus to the economy.

Zell and Cheney's scare tactics were good. But I think that's all they should be considered.

[Mr.Lum]

Zell was like Scared Straight.

[hooligan]

And you see the two pictures that are being painted between Donkies and Elephants.

Elephants -- seemingly more focus on the war on terror.

Donkies -- seemingly returning focus to the economy.

Zell and Cheney's scare tactics were good. But I think that's all they should be considered.
On this topic, the Republicans really scare the shit out of me. I mean especially with the state of the world today, they play on all our fears. Saying that we need to do this for the war on terror, but in actuality a lot of the things they point out or have done really have aggitated a lot of the fighting now. It gets especially problematic when they say that there's no other alternative. With blanket statements like, there's no way to deal with these people, makes you wonder if there's no hope for the world afterall?

[yoMAMA]

I watched part of Cheney's speech. He had a great moment when he said, with his infamous sneer, "Kerry sees two Americas. Well, the feeling's mutual. America sees two Kerrys."

But the audience stole the show during Cheney's speech. Booing on cue; chanting flip-flop at all the right moments; and cheering "4 more years." It was like the audience was either following a teleprompter of sorts, or they are a mindless mob. My money's on them being a mob. It was funny to watch, but completely turned me off to the Republican party.

Same here.

Boy did those hate speeches change my view on the GOP.

The donkey convention was not filled with this much negative vibe!

:frown:

[truMp]

Bush's speech was too predictable, nothing much new. Terrorism, 9/11, Iraq, afghanistan, economic oppurtunity, bashing on kerry; typical.

[younggiftedandblack]

Bush's speech was too predictable, nothing much new. Terrorism, 9/11, Iraq, afghanistan, economic oppurtunity, bashing on kerry; typical.

That's what the people want to hear. Kerry was looking like a pussy getting bashed on and not responding. I'm watching his speech now, he's finally coming out swinging!!!! The debates should be good this year.

[tommyhtown]

Even though I was alienated by some of the speakers' speeches, like the ones from Zell and parts of the speech from Bush, the RNC made me step back and look at the issues that I care about such as healthcare, social security, and taxes. The details on these issues are kind of sketchy from both camps but I do lean toward Bush's plan more then Kerry's at the moment. On social issues like gay marriage and abortion, I agree with Kerry's stance. On foreign policy especially War on Terror, I can see the direction that Bush is going so this issue is now a toss up.

It probably comes down to election day for my final decision. And yes, I am so looking forward to the presidential debate. I'd like to see Kerry responding to Bush's attack 'cause I know W will come out swinging for sure.

[Yeahman]

I think the debates will suck. Bush can't speak English and Kerry can't stand for anything specific.

I was drinking a little while watching Bush speak and whenever they cut to the crowd I felt like smacking them. Hey I don't like Kerry and I think there's some stuff Bush has done right, but how could all these people be so brainwashed? They see Bush as a messiah. But I guess there's just as many brainwashed Democrats too.

[DragonKnight]

Hey I don't like Kerry and I think there's some stuff Bush has done right, but how could all these people be so brainwashed? They see Bush as a messiah. But I guess there's just as many brainwashed Democrats too. I still think Kerry isn't the greatest Democrat candidate (if only Clinton can run one more time), but I'd be damn if I vote for Bush. :rolleyes:

[tommyhtown]

I think the debates will suck. Bush can't speak English and Kerry can't stand for anything specific.


That is why it's going to be awesome. Bush and his drawl, Kerry's attempt to show a sign of liveliness in him, and blunders followed by correction from both camps. Shit, this is reality TV at its finest, and better yet the outcome will affect you not Trista, Richard Hatch, or Amarosa.

For me, the hype is as great as the ones I anticipated for big movies premiere like Episode I or LOTR.

[yoMAMA]

Go Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



















back to Texas.

[amietron]

i liked their outfits. mr. and mrs. george w. bush and mr. and mrs. dick cheney, all in complimenting colors.

[Faithless]

On this topic, the Republicans really scare the shit out of me. I mean especially with the state of the world today, they play on all our fears. Saying that we need to do this for the war on terror, but in actuality a lot of the things they point out or have done really have aggitated a lot of the fighting now. It gets especially problematic when they say that there's no other alternative. With blanket statements like, there's no way to deal with these people, makes you wonder if there's no hope for the world afterall?
And they keep going back and forth on "winning the war on terror" / "keeping it at bay"; "winning the war on terror" / "keeping it at bay"; "winning the war on terror" / "keeping it at bay"...

...ending up broke like the Soviet Union... :rolleyes:

I suspected the following about the Cheney's on stage:

Is Mary Cheney Being Hidden Gay Group Asks (http://www.chicagopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/2349009)
NEW YORK CITY - Following Vice President Dick Cheney's acceptance speech Wednesday night at the Republican National Convention his family joined him on stage -- everyone except lesbian daughter Mary Cheney.

Cheney sat in the audience with her partner and the rest of the Cheney clan during the speech.

When the Vice President concluded a tough speech that hammered away at Democratic candidate John Kerry's positions on Iraq and terrorism Mary Cheney and partner had disappeared from the hall.

Her noticeable absence raised eyebrows among gay Republicans and led gay parents group PFLAG Thursday to ask what happened.
...

[yoMAMA]

My thoughts exactly.


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September 3, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Feel the Hate
By PAUL KRUGMAN

I don't know where George Soros gets his money," one man said. "I don't know where - if it comes from overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from." George Soros, another declared, "wants to spend $75 million defeating George W. Bush because Soros wants to legalize heroin." After all, a third said, Mr. Soros "is a self-admitted atheist; he was a Jew who figured out a way to survive the Holocaust."

They aren't LaRouchies - they're Republicans.

The suggestion that Mr. Soros, who has spent billions promoting democracy around the world, is in the pay of drug cartels came from Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House, whom the Constitution puts two heartbeats from the presidency. After standing by his remarks for several days, Mr. Hastert finally claimed that he was talking about how Mr. Soros spends his money, not where he gets it.

The claim that Mr. Soros's political spending is driven by his desire to legalize heroin came from Newt Gingrich. And the bit about the Holocaust came from Tony Blankley, editorial page editor of The Washington Times, which has become the administration's de facto house organ.

For many months we've been warned by tut-tutting commentators about the evils of irrational "Bush hatred." Pundits eagerly scanned the Democratic convention for the disease; some invented examples when they failed to find it. Then they waited eagerly for outrageous behavior by demonstrators in New York, only to be disappointed again.

There was plenty of hatred in Manhattan, but it was inside, not outside, Madison Square Garden.

Barack Obama, who gave the Democratic keynote address, delivered a message of uplift and hope. Zell Miller, who gave the Republican keynote, declared that political opposition is treason: "Now, at the same time young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our commander in chief." And the crowd roared its approval.

Why are the Republicans so angry? One reason is that they have nothing positive to run on (during the first three days, Mr. Bush was mentioned far less often than John Kerry).

The promised economic boom hasn't materialized, Iraq is a bloody quagmire, and Osama bin Laden has gone from "dead or alive" to he-who-must-not-be-named.

Another reason, I'm sure, is a guilty conscience. At some level the people at that convention know that their designated hero is a man who never in his life took a risk or made a sacrifice for his country, and that they are impugning the patriotism of men who have.

That's why Band-Aids with Purple Hearts on them, mocking Mr. Kerry's war wounds and medals, have been such a hit with conventioneers, and why senior politicians are attracted to wild conspiracy theories about Mr. Soros.

It's also why Mr. Hastert, who knows how little the Bush administration has done to protect New York and help it rebuild, has accused the city of an "unseemly scramble" for cash after 9/11. Nothing makes you hate people as much as knowing in your heart that you are in the wrong and they are in the right.

But the vitriol also reflects the fact that many of the people at that convention, for all their flag-waving, hate America. They want a controlled, monolithic society; they fear and loathe our nation's freedom, diversity and complexity.

The convention opened with an invocation by Sheri Dew, a Mormon publisher and activist. Early rumors were that the invocation would be given by Jerry Falwell, who suggested just after 9/11 that the attack was God's punishment for the activities of the A.C.L.U. and People for the American Way, among others. But Ms. Dew is no more moderate: earlier this year she likened opposition to gay marriage to opposition to Hitler.

The party made sure to put social moderates like Rudy Giuliani in front of the cameras. But in private events, the story was different. For example, Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas told Republicans that we are in a "culture war" and urged a reduction in the separation of church and state.

Mr. Bush, it's now clear, intends to run a campaign based on fear. And for me, at least, it's working: thinking about what these people will do if they solidify their grip on power makes me very, very afraid.



Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

[A.R.A.M.]

Interesting editorial yoMAMA.

I wonder what Gingrich thinks is so ignoble about surviving the holocaust. He makes it seem like Soros tricked the third reich.

One thing that lept out at me: Zell's equating of political opposition with treason. This is a dangerous thing to say. If he feels so strongly that disagreeing with those in power is so detrimental, perhaps he should just advocate suspending elections to save democracy. But I do wonder if there will ever come a day when disagreeing with those in power and having a different vision for the country will be deemed legally treasonous.

[yoMAMA]

Interesting editorial yoMAMA.

I wonder what Gingrich thinks is so ignoble about surviving the holocaust. He makes it seem like Soros tricked the third reich.

One thing that lept out at me: Zell's equating of political opposition with treason. This is a dangerous thing to say. If he feels so strongly that disagreeing with those in power is so detrimental, perhaps he should just advocate suspending elections to save democracy. But I do wonder if there will ever come a day when disagreeing with those in power and having a different vision for the country will be deemed legally treasonous.

Actually i think Soros is a dispicable man.

He profited from the misfortune of others as a financial speculator, and had a large role in the asian financial crisis :mad:

But still....kerry is better than bush.

[A.R.A.M.]

Actually i think Soros is a dispicable man.

He profited from the misfortune of others as a financial speculator, and had a large role in the asian financial crisis :mad:

But still....kerry is better than bush.

I don't know much about Soros, or his immoral behavior. I was referring to Gingrich's statement. His statement seems to set up a dichotomy between good and evil, believer and atheist, Christian and Jew. And then he seems to imply that only the Jews would be so devious, underhanded, and shady as to worm their way out of a horrific death at the hands of the third reich. Fuck that. And I think that it was his father who was the "Jew who figured out a way to survive the holocaust."

[so_fee_ahh]

I still think Kerry isn't the greatest Democrat candidate (if only Clinton can run one more time), but I'd be damn if I vote for Bush. :rolleyes:

Amen on that one! I want Clinton back!

[younggiftedandblack]

Bush Opens Double-Digit Lead (http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,692562,00.html)

Friday, Sep. 03, 2004
New York: For the first time since the Presidential race became a two person contest last spring, there is a clear leader, the latest TIME poll shows. If the 2004 election for President were held today, 52% of likely voters surveyed would vote for President George W. Bush, 41% would vote for Democratic nominee John Kerry, and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader, according to a new TIME poll conducted from Aug. 31 to Sept. 2. Poll results are available on TIME.com and will appear in the upcoming issue of TIME magazine, on newsstands Monday, Sept. 6.

Most important issues: When asked what they consider are the most important issues, 25% of registered voters cited the economy as the top issue, followed by 24% who cited the war on terrorism as the top issue. The situation in Iraq was rated the top issue by 17% of registered voters, moral values issues such as gay marriage and abortion were the top issue for 16% of respondents, and health care was the most important issue for 11% of respondents.

[truMp]

QUOTE:
Friday, Sep. 03, 2004
New York: For the first time since the Presidential race became a two person contest last spring, there is a clear leader, the latest TIME poll shows. If the 2004 election for President were held today, 52% of likely voters surveyed would vote for President George W. Bush, 41% would vote for Democratic nominee John Kerry, and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader, according to a new TIME poll conducted from Aug. 31 to Sept. 2. Poll results are available on TIME.com and will appear in the upcoming issue of TIME magazine, on newsstands Monday, Sept. 6.

Most important issues: When asked what they consider are the most important issues, 25% of registered voters cited the economy as the top issue, followed by 24% who cited the war on terrorism as the top issue. The situation in Iraq was rated the top issue by 17% of registered voters, moral values issues such as gay marriage and abortion were the top issue for 16% of respondents, and health care was the most important issue for 11% of respondents.]

Wow I knew this was coming..I doubt Kerry will be bouncing back

[yoMAMA]

that was a convention lead when the other candidates are not very active.

it's not very credible.

[Mr.Lum]

Kerry needs to get out there and play dirty. I'm sick of the goody goody bullshit. The Repblican Devils have never played fair, the Democrats need to get out there with the attacks, they need to rip the drunkard up.

[yoMAMA]

Kerry needs to get out there and play dirty. I'm sick of the goody goody bullshit. The Repblican Devils have never played fair, the Democrats need to get out there with the attacks, they need to rip the drunkard up.

I agree.

:mad:

[hooligan]

KPFK 90.7 FM listed the biggest mistake, or blatant lie, depending on how you view it, as Bush's claim that Saddam refused UN weapon's inspectors. Bush had not listened to the UN inspectors over the war, because Iraq wasn't a threat. Face it, he lied.


What the radio host dicussed was that Bush rushed into the war because they knew that the UN weapon inspectors weren't going to find anything. Which has proved, unfortunate/fortunately, true.

[hooligan]

Interesting editorial yoMAMA.

I wonder what Gingrich thinks is so ignoble about surviving the holocaust. He makes it seem like Soros tricked the third reich.

One thing that lept out at me: Zell's equating of political opposition with treason. This is a dangerous thing to say. If he feels so strongly that disagreeing with those in power is so detrimental, perhaps he should just advocate suspending elections to save democracy. But I do wonder if there will ever come a day when disagreeing with those in power and having a different vision for the country will be deemed legally treasonous.
Zell was amazing. I was watching that Stewart show on comedy ... network (central?) they had a clip of them saying something like, " [refering to kerry] anyone who refers to the iraq situation as an occupation is not fit to be the president." then stewart cuts to a clip where they have w say something like, "[while refering to iraq] no one wants to be in a country under occupation..."

I hear Zell is only Democrat in name, he might as well be a Republican for everything he stands for.

[hooligan]

Zell was amazing. I was watching that Stewart show on comedy ... network (central?) they had a clip of them saying something like, " [refering to kerry] anyone who refers to the iraq situation as an occupation is not fit to be the president." then stewart cuts to a clip where they have w say something like, "[while refering to iraq] no one wants to be in a country under occupation..."

I hear Zell is only Democrat in name, he might as well be a Republican for everything he stands for.
bush said that last quote. : P

[nola]

Kerry needs to get out there and play dirty. The Repblican Devils have never played fair, the Democrats need to get out there with the attacks, they need to rip the drunkard up.I agree.

[Mr.Lum]

I hear Zell is only Democrat in name, he might as well be a Republican for everything he stands for.


He should start a third party, the Hater's Party....wait, that's the Republicans. NM.

[nola]

By the way they randomly arrested protesters because one of the Critical Mass arrestees is my friend who was bicycling with two other friends who were not arrested. The fire reported on the first day was started by police dressed as black bloc anarchists to make it look like protesters did it according to a friend who was there.

It must have been a mess in NYC last week!

[hooligan]

By the way they randomly arrested protesters because one of the Critical Mass arrestees is my friend who was bicycling with two other friends who were not arrested. The fire reported on the first day was started by police dressed as black bloc anarchists to make it look like protesters did it according to a friend who was there.

It must have been a mess in NYC last week! i heard some of the critical mass arrestees were due to entrapment where they were lead into streets by police dressed up as bikers.

again, a lot of the rhetoric put out by the republicans are simply, if you don't stand with us, you're standing against us. so, we'll invade your country. it's this polarized view of the world that has me so scared.

[nola]

probably. i remember a protest where the police would block people off while they were heading home and arrest them simply if they were in groups of three or more. talk about a piggish police state.

[amietron]

i heard some of the critical mass arrestees were due to entrapment where they were lead into streets by police dressed up as bikers.
do they have to pay bail?

[hooligan]

do they have to pay bail?
Yeah, but they can't prove anything.