The Apprentice 2

[lethal]

http://nbc.com/nbc/The_Apprentice_2/candidates/index.shtml

These are the candidates. There's one Asian American woman, Ivana (http://nbc.com/nbc/The_Apprentice_2/candidates/ivana.shtml). Interestingly, I went to college with her. She was an ASU officer with me. I haven't talked to her in about 7 years though. I may send her an email if she's in the alumni database.

http://nbc.com/nbc/The_Apprentice_2/images/candidates/ivana.jpg

There's also a guy named Raj, but he doesn't look particularly Indian. His description makes him sound kind of strange too.

[mr. x]

hundred bucks says she doesnt even make finalists

[truMp]

She won't make it

[lethal]

Season premier is next week, September 9th.

[hooligan]

Let's go Ivana. I'm rooting for her. I was under the impression that you were one of ... say ... three Asians at your school, Lethal.

[deez nuts]

seems like there's a lot more ivy leaguers this time around.

just from the bio's of the contestants, i'm rooting for stacy r.

[lethal]

Let's go Ivana. I'm rooting for her. I was under the impression that you were one of ... say ... three Asians at your school, Lethal.
I was one of 5 in my HS graduating class. UVA was about 10% Asian when I went.

[lethal]

There are 4 lawyers/law students on this show. I predict most of them will lose early.

[truMp]

I can't wait, I missed most last season's show and didn't really know the storyline.

[applehead]

her name must conjure up
bad images for dear old trump.

[yoMAMA]

There are 4 lawyers/law students on this show. I predict most of them will lose early.

trump doesnt like lawyers?

:tongue:

[TB4000]

Watching it now...someone is about to get their arse fired!

[FrankieY18]

yeap..the underutlilized Rob

[truMp]

Rob was an idiot, his strategy called for demise:

"I'm going to be lazy, for the team of course."

haha.

That one paranoid girl on Apex is getting fired as soon as she gets to go to the boardroom.

[Faithless]

Let's go Ivana. I'm rooting for her.
Waaaiiit! Waaaiiit!

Let her yap it up, first, before you go cheering her. You might just be promoting another Michelle...

Never really watched the first season. Caught the tail end of this first episode.

Sucked.

Pamela -- the lady the dudes. What a prune, even if she's someone's MILF material. Aint got a chance in hell of making it. Trump already appears not to like her. And Trump's left hand woman was offended by her.

[lethal]

Pamela's only 32. Looks a lot older.

I know Ivana personally. She's no Tammy. She looks like she was taking charge of the women tonight. I think she can go far.

Go Ivana!

[younggiftedandblack]

Pamela's only 32. Looks a lot older.

I know Ivana personally. She's no Tammy. She looks like she was taking charge of the women tonight. I think she can go far.

Go Ivana!

On the website she says Tammy motivated her to apply for the show so she could portray a more positive image of Asians. She seems like a nice person. The black lady on the other hand is loony as hell. :rolleyes:

[kitty]

she seems cool and kind of kooky too... i bet the show is playing up her kookiness a little.

[applehead]

Pamela's only 32. Looks a lot older.

I know Ivana personally. She's no Tammy. She looks like she was taking charge of the women tonight. I think she can go far.

Go Ivana!

i'm so shocked by pamela's age.
i thought she was in her 40s.

[nonamerasian]

I thought she was old, too.

I guess that's what messing with your body too much does. Make you age quicker.

[Faithless]

I thought she was old, too.

I guess that's what messing with your body too much does. Make you age quicker.
Okay, so she's not a 40-ish prune, but her attitude is certainly like that of one. :frown:

God, she reminds me of some of the management I've worked with.

[younggiftedandblack]

she seems cool and kind of kooky too... i bet the show is playing up her kookiness a little.

She seemed parinoid to me and was acting WAAAAYYYY to looney for a show that depends on others perception of you. I do think she'll get nominated 1st.

[kitty]

sorry, i meant ivana. stacie j seems insane.

[A.R.A.M.]

She seemed parinoid to me and was acting WAAAAYYYY to looney for a show that depends on others perception of you. I do think she'll get nominated 1st.

At first I thought that if the women's team lost, Bradford would be the first to go. He was such an ineffective leader, first letting himself be walked all over, and then making an executive decision before everyone had aired their ideas. But then Stacie J. starts acting up. I bet Bradford was so happy someone else was painting a big target on their back.

I think the way that Bradford decided to go to the women's team was stupid. They should have sent the guy who was bashing the women and drinking straight from the wine bottle. Create discord in their ranks.

And what's up with Raj?

[applehead]

And what's up with Raj?

he looks like a pedophile. :redface:

[younggiftedandblack]

he looks like a pedophile. :redface:

He's a PIMP!!!

[truMp]

And what's up with Raj?

Dude, Raj is a smart guy. I predict that he'll go far, at least the top 5.

Stacie J. = loco
I don't even think she broke down like a lot of other people do, I'm thinking that's how she is normally.

[A.R.A.M.]

Dude, Raj is a smart guy. I predict that he'll go far, at least the top 5.

Stacie J. = loco
I don't even think she broke down like a lot of other people do, I'm thinking that's how she is normally.

I'm sure Raj is a smart guy. And I know he's trying to make an impression on Trump by standing out. When I saw him at Toys R' Us with the cane, I had to wonder where his purple fur coat, fishtank boots, and hat were. I applaud his desire to separate himself from the crowd, but I'm not sure he's doing so in a way that Trump will respect. But I could be wrong: Trump knows absolutely no shame. I mean, the guy wants a picture of his face, with that hair, on the bottles of water he plans to sell.

[applehead]

I'm sure Raj is a smart guy. And I know he's trying to make an impression on Trump by standing out. When I saw him at Toys R' Us with the cane, I had to wonder where his purple fur coat, fishtank boots, and hat were. I applaud his desire to separate himself from the crowd, but I'm not sure he's doing so in a way that Trump will respect. But I could be wrong: Trump knows absolutely no shame. I mean, the guy wants a picture of his face, with that hair, on the bottles of water he plans to sell.

okay now i realize why i felt like
he looked like a pedophile.
he was dressed like that in a toy store.

[truMp]

okay now i realize why i felt like
he looked like a pedophile.
he was dressed like that in a toy store.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[yoMAMA]

I heard the ratings was dissapointing for NBC.

[kimpossible]

Pamela's only 32. Looks a lot older.


No way! She's got to be 40s... really?

Is it me or do virtually all the men seem below grade this time around?

[Tao]

No way! She's got to be 40s... really?

Is it me or do virtually all the men seem below grade this time around?

and the women aren't as hot either....except for this one brunette, she's like one of those 50's pin up models

[Filiprish]

I like Raj. The guy is brilliant.

[yoMAMA]

Pamela is hot.....

:eek:

[truMp]

and the women aren't as hot either....except for this one brunette, she's like one of those 50's pin up models

I agree; she's hot.

I'm not going to make comments on the ability of the contestants because I don't think they've been showcased enough for criticism. Give it maybe 2-3 more episodes.

[Filiprish]

Hey guys, I just found out why Raj doesn't look Indian. It's b/c he's mixed (hapa?) -- he has an Indian father and an Irish mother. I'm assuming he's not adopted.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/tv/apprentice/assets/bios/raj_photo.jpg

Raj

Real Estate Developer

Vail, CO/Philadelphia, PA (http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/candidates/raj.html)

Ask Raj if he thinks he's better than other people and he'll respond no. "I know I'm better than other people." Raj, 29 years old, also has an original sense of style that is sure to be noticed, all adding up to a combination that's tough to beat.

Raised in Philadelphia, Raj was brought up by an immigrant Indian father and an immigrant Irish mother in the lap of luxury. Summers spent in both India and Ireland visiting extended family, as well as numerous other international trips left a distinct worldly imprint on Raj. After reading a book about Napolean, Raj's fate was sealed, as he concluded that he would one day conquer the world. Having formed a network of friends in high places all around the world from his days at The Hill School (a prestigious boarding school) actually put the idea of world domination within the realm of possibility.

Raj has since earned degrees in economics and history from Boston College before moving onto success in the business world. He has worked as an investment banker in New York, and currently spends his time overseeing Vanquish Enterprises in Vail, Colorado, where he has acquired a hotel and is looking at a projected 300% increase in revenue.

With his trademark bow-ties, or perhaps despite them, Raj brings an air of sophistication and aristocracy that may overwhelm some, but will certainly not go unnoticed as he strives to achieve the title "The Apprentice."

Another article (from Raj's high school alma mater):
Hill alumnus to appear on The Apprentice 2 (http://www.thehill.org/home/news_item.asp?id=114&newsArea=home)

[yoMAMA]

Raj looks like donald trump.

[truMp]

Is the next episode tonight?

[kitty]

nope. it's thursday.

[lethal]

Ivana was the project manager tonight.

Shocking ending.

[yoMAMA]

I love Pam............................

[ism]

Stupid and predictably "shocking" ending. What was the point of the previous hour? Good thing I only tuned in at the end.

[Filiprish]

Stupid and predictably "shocking" ending. What was the point of the previous hour? Good thing I only tuned in at the end.
You can't tell me that you knew that was going to happen. :rolleyes:

I thought Ivana made an astute and wise decision tonight by taking Bradford into the boardroom. Way to go Ivana!

[lethal]

Ivana's toast pretty soon. She showed me very little tonight. She was lacking organization and decisiveness. She even highlighted her indecisiveness by changing her mind with the 2 and 3 people in the boardroom. I was expecting far more from her.

Oh, losing the other cart for 3 hours? That's a complete joke. Times Square is not that large. You can easily find a cart in less than an hour walking around aimlessly. 7th Ave and Broadway are 100 yards apart at 42nd street for pete's sake!

She and Stacie are the first women out. Andy is a target among the men.

Bradford was stupid. He invited himself to be fired.

[Faithless]

^ I was thinking the same thing about Ivana. But, I think she's smart enough to learn from her mistakes.

I didnt' see the whole show, but I liked her leadership tact of seeking input rather than being overbearing.

What Trump said was probably right about Bradford. I think in a real boardroom you never show that much arrogance to think you're beyond firing.

[truMp]

I told you Ivana was going to suck.

Once Bradford waived his rights; I knew it was him because of the "shocking" ending that NBC was advertising for the show.

Stacie J. will get fired next if Apex goes to the boardroom again.

[younggiftedandblack]

I think it'll be Stacie J. then Ivana. Unless the women get upset with Ivana for taking Bradford into the boardroom and make her pay for it.

He was such a dummy. I wouldn't have said a damn thing.

[Faithless]

That thing about Ivana's indecisiveness showing by taking that third person into the boardroom -- Jennifer C. I think Trump indicated that it might not have been a bad move. All of a sudden she wants to volunteer stuff.

And their look of shock at the end -- boardroom rookies or what? Not that I know about these things, but I think you just get the hell out, and not make scenes like that.

[truMp]

boardroom rookies or what? Not that I know about these things, but I think you just get the hell out, and not make scenes like that.

yea i agree with you. they really should have just kept their calm and leave immediately, making scenes just goes to show you that they are drama queens which probably isn't liked by Trump.

[kitty]

Yeah, I was really shocked by Ivana's poor leadership. Seeking input is one thing, she had no control whatsoever, and never stepped in when thing started falling apart.

[younggiftedandblack]

Yeah, I was really shocked by Ivana's poor leadership. Seeking input is one thing, she had no control whatsoever, and never stepped in when thing started falling apart.

It seemed like she wanted to be the nice boss. The kind that gets along with everyone. BUMP that sometimes you just have to take control. I think she brought Bradford in there to try and back her up along with Jen, but that plan back fired big time.

[deez nuts]

i was dozing off and on during the episode.

ivana sucks. you're first priority isn't to be likable by your peers. your first priority is to get the task done and be liked by the donald. and talk about being flaky in the board room.

bradford was a dumbass for putting his head on the chopping block. ivana helped trump eliminate her own teammate. so much for getting the respect from your team.

trump gives you a get out of jail free card and you throw it back in his face cuz you're a cocky bastard. and knowing that trump is the epitome of the alpha male and to bring bradford back to the board room after trump gave ivana the option of bringing two or three back? what's with the, "oh my god oh my god oh my god" after bradford got the axe. talk about stereotypical asian female dramatics. whatever happened to emotionless and ice cold corporate demeanor? both of them need a good nyc muggin for being that naive.

trump did them a favor by firing bradford cuz he was one of the few competent ones on the show despite this mishap.

my favorite carolyn still looks good. she's gorgeous.

[kitty]

why does everyone think bradford was competent? he's a terrible leader -- in the first mission, apex stumbled upon the right toy, not through any skill of bradford's who was gunnign for that cheesy football thing.

oh, and donut ice cream? ew.

[deez nuts]

why does everyone think bradford was competent? he's a terrible leader -- in the first mission, apex stumbled upon the right toy, not through any skill of bradford's who was gunnign for that cheesy football thing.

oh, and donut ice cream? ew.

i think he's one of the competent ones in relation to the rest of this years contestants so far from two episodes.

so far after two episodes, i have this impression that this group may have come from better schools than last year's group. but, last year's group was way more competent.

[applehead]

my favorite carolyn still looks good. she's gorgeous.

it seems like carolyn will be providing
more input than she did last year
in the boardroom. she's tough.
i never thought that. oooh. i can tell
this is going to be a good season.

i wonder if i'm going to be attached to
any of the contestants like i did with
kwame.
:redface:

[kitty]

CSB, i agree with your assessment. none of the contestants have wowed me with visceral talent yet -- a lot of them are playing by the books.

[Faithless]

Yeah, I was really shocked by Ivana's poor leadership. Seeking input is one thing, she had no control whatsoever, and never stepped in when thing started falling apart.
In fairness, though, to Ivana -- is she really working in realistic conditions to assume this control?

She's working within the confines of a gameshow afterall -- working with others as arrogant wanting to play leader or be obstinate in the face of leadership (because they think they're better).

I think, given a realworld setting, you might see a different Ivana -- one more able to take control. I didn't see all last night's show, but there was a segment where Ivana was trying to get the attention of some of the others in some collaborative effort. I think that in a realworld situation, if those folks are chit-chatting outside the context of the project meeting, Ivana would have the authority to lay it on the line more.

I think.

I don't know about all that marketing crud, she started doing-up though. That's a nice analytical thing to work-on for marketing folks like her, but difficult to present meaningfully.

She reminds me of my wife's cousin who does that stuff as a marketing director in the Big Apple. :cool: I see Ivana as someone would really like to be at that level.

[deez nuts]

CSB, i agree with your assessment. none of the contestants have wowed me with visceral talent yet -- a lot of them are playing by the books.


doesn't it also seem that this season's bunch seem a lot more cockier than the first bunch?

i think trump made a power play and sent a clear message that it's you that needs donald trump not donald trump that needs you.

i've read all of trump's books his acumen for psychological warfare and mind fucking you to death is amazing. he has this insane ability to see what others don't see.

[kitty]

definitely seem much cockier. they've seen the first season, they think they know all the tricks. I think that's why the first two PMs were so taken aback by the choice of being able to bring in two or three people in with them into the boardroom -- they were so ready to take in two, that when faced with the choice, they froze. that's why i don't see ivana's reaction to initially take in two and later recant as indecisiveness -- i think she hadn't fully processed both options, just like how Pamela stopped to ask the advantages of the choices last week.

They also went for some more kooky personalities. I think Ivana's one, Pamela is one, Bradford was one, Raj, and Stacie J. They wanted more interesting stuff to happen -- they just haven't had a chance to go bonkers yet. The loud girl with the short, black hair, is also a character... she just hasn't had a chance to really make a splash yet.

CM, I disagree --I think a situation like this is the perfect situation to showcase your ability to take a leadership stance. You can't "fire" people, but there are other ways to control people than through an iron fist. There's a certain amount of micromanaging that can be done without going overboard, and you can brainstorm, but be sure to shut the flood of ideas down when it becomes counterproductive -- Ivana could've easily done that; the girls seem to have the problem of too much brainstorming... even when it came to choosing a name, they had like thirty choices. It's too many -- if you want to take the brainstorming approach, give a definite time limit no longer than half an hour to brain storm, and then start whittling choices down -- Ivana never placed a time limit on the brainstorming session and they ended up going right up to four... if they had chosen a product that needed them to find ingredients, they woulda been SOL.

Similarly, Ivana seemed mostly to sit back and watch when things were going nuts. If the cart was lost, sending one person to find the cart isn't the smartest idea. Hell, I don't even see why they needed to be together -- you can increase your selling power by having the two carts in different places. You could've sent your weakest salesperson to retrieve the second cart, while the carts still sold -- and definitely, sending a person to find the second cart, that person should've been equipped with a phone to contact the cart as she was looking... not sent off to wander aimlessly.

There were so many bad decisions that were made... I personally thought Ivana shoulda been gone... I hope she learns from these mistakes because I really wanted to see an AA do well on this show.

[Filiprish]

i think trump made a power play and sent a clear message that it's you that needs donald trump not donald trump that needs you.
I second that notion.

i've read all of trump's books his acumen for psychological warfare and mind fucking you to death is amazing. he has this insane ability to see what others don't see.
I've read 'em all, too! Yeah, Trump is emotionally intelligent, like all good business people, and he's going to see right through you.

[Faithless]

^ Fare enough, Kitty. Great points. But I think that being this is a game show, the parameters are different and if her leadership potential is sort of fouled by the game.

I had a different take, but I after re-reading you points, I have another view of Ivana. I don't see her at that level, yet, say at a directorship, but with experience, she could be there.

[Filiprish]

Ivana should stick to venture capital.

[kitty]

could you describe how you saw her? i'm curious to see what your interpretation of it is... :)

[Filiprish]

I view Ivana as too analytical for leadership, like people in finance tend to be. She even busted out some B-school profit models and broke it down like the others were in kindergarten, which was kinda condescending. I thought she right not to be a bully a la Bradford. Bradford was too cocky (as we all know, this weakness inevitably truimphed over him). On the otherhand, I thought Ivana was too diplomatic (overly reliant on consensus) and indecisive, like Trump said. I really liked the creativity that was cultivated during the brainstorm, but a board full of suggestions was bit much. She claimed to have had everything under control but I don't think she did. There was no pep talk or any kind of game plan beforehand. Everyone seemed like they didn't know what to do because had no direction. There seemed to be a lack of respect as well. Stacy J. lacked so much respect for Ivana that she took the liberty to hire temps! Not to mention, Liz, I think it was, made an executive decision! Lastly, she should have taken on that vendor who claimed they stole his location. Regardly if they did or not, she should have done some research beforehand to see if it was okay for them to set up shop there. I'm hoping Ivana grows some balls and steps up her game. I'm aware that she is trying to shed a different light on Asians than the one Tammy from the first season did, which is one of a person who actually listens and is open to feedback. Despite the latter, Ivana could learn a thing or two from Tammy and vice versa. At least, Tammy had a backbone. All in all, Ivana is mediocre and has potential. I think the producers deliberately made a mediocre choice in Ivana, tho. I'm fully aware of the outstanding Asian leaders out there.

[lethal]

I'm still waiting for an Asian male in a major reality show.

[yoMAMA]

I'm still waiting for an Asian male in a major reality show.

Seriously.....

it's about time.

[Faithless]

I'm beginning to like The Apprentice more. Not because of the Donald, but because of the show's real world application.

Deconstructing the Trump-ster: Business lessons learned from Episode One of "The Apprentice" (http://www.richmond.com/business/output.cfm?ID=3246173&vertical=Business)

David J. Urban
Richmond.com
Tuesday September 14, 2004

The first episode of "The Apprentice" provided some very basic lessons in business and management:

1. Team leadership is not the same as individual productivity: When the two competing companies were formed, each one needed a leader, but Donald Trump’s instructions stipulated that each company’s project leader had to come from the other team. Pamela stepped up to switch over and lead the men’s company (Mosaic), while Bradford volunteered to take over the women’s team (Apex). Both companies were charged with the responsibility of designing a new toy for Mattel.

Both Bradford and Pamela are clearly hard-charging individuals who have been extremely successful in their professional ventures. But just as a career .300 hitter in baseball may not make a good team manager, the past successes Bradford and Pamela have had working on their own are not the same as leading a company. The situation is made even more challenging because all of the candidates know that they have been highly successful, and they value their own opinions and contributions a great deal. In addition, each candidate knows that at the end of the day, one of them will be fired, so self-preservation is as important to them as is the success of their respective companies.

Bradford and Pamela can be commended for stepping forward to take on roles as project leaders for the very first task. However, one can also understand why a candidate might want to wait in order to gauge the dynamics of the group before assuming a position of such visible leadership.

Bradford came very close to making a fatal error in managing his company. At one point, he made an autocratic decision to make his idea the basis of his company’s new product design. However, when faced with information from Mattel’s designers that his idea was not as good as some of the ideas generated by other candidates in his company, he abandoned his idea and went with a better one. This willingness to admit a mistake and to adjust the company’s strategy was the key reason why his team ultimately won the first week’s competition.

When a manager is dealing with employees who are talented and highly motivated, a participative, collaborative management style will pull people together as a team. An autocratic style will generate resentment and disloyalty.

The bottom line? A “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” approach to management may be successful, but is filled with risk for a company and its leader. If Bradford had persisted with pushing his new product idea in the face of conflicting evidence and the availability of other good ideas, his company might have lost the competition. If it had, he certainly would have been the first to be fired, because none of the other Apex employees would have supported him.

2. Brainstorming needs to be organized: Of the two companies, Apex had a much more organized way of developing new product ideas. The thought process was facilitated by Elizabeth, who acted much like a focus group moderator by asking questions and recording the candidates’ thoughts on a flip chart. In contrast, the brainstorming session for Mosaic lacked focus. More leadership in the group from Pamela or from another individual would have helped.

The bottom line? When creative people get together in a group to brainstorm ideas, someone needs to be a facilitator. This person can keep track of what people say. A flip chart is an excellent way to keep this record, because having the group’s thoughts on paper will help people who need to reflect before issuing opinions. It also shows the progression of ideas and keeps the discussion on track. Finally, if one person is the facilitator, he/she can make sure that everyone in the group gets a chance to speak and render opinions.

3. Focus on the customer’s needs and wants: Throughout the group discussions on product design, many of the candidates appeared to be more interested in getting their ideas out on the table than in considering the needs of the target audience—young boys. As George Ross said to the candidates from Mosaic during the boardroom session, “I can’t believe you guys couldn’t come up with something that boys would like.” Many entrepreneurs get caught up in the excitement of their own ideas for products and services, when in reality, the perceptions of consumers about those ideas are most important.

Part of the reason why this happened in this episode of The Apprentice is because virtually all of the candidates do not have children of their own. This is where Rob could have played a major role, because he has two children, so he could have legitimately taken the lead in trying to come up with an idea for a toy that would be acceptable to children. After all, he had the most first hand experience in watching his children play and in purchasing toys for them. Unfortunately, his failure to assert his expertise in this area led to his firing at the end of the show.

The bottom line? In the absence of marketing research data derived from consumer surveys, focus groups, company sales records, and the like, managers must at least try to think like their target consumers.

4. Don’t dump on the consumer: Carolyn Kepcher, Donald Trump’s assistant, severely criticized Pamela in the boardroom for some disparaging comments Pamela made about the children who were in the focus group testing the prototype toys that the two firms had developed. Donald Trump’s observation that Pamela “has a very hard edge” means that she will have to show more sensitivity in the coming shows.

The bottom line: It’s not a good idea to bad-mouth the consumer. If the consumer doesn’t like a company’s product, the company—not the consumer—is to blame.

5. Loyalty to the leader—and the team--still counts for something: In the boardroom, after Mosaic had lost the competition to Apex, Pamela had to account for her team’s performance. She accepted responsibility, but Andy, in particular, was very critical of her. Andy is the youngest candidate. His academic credentials are impressive, but he also has the least work experience of any of the candidates. He is well aware of this situation and is perhaps overly sensitive about it, feeling he has a lot to prove. Earlier in the show, he suggested to another candidate that someone should hit Pamela with a shovel across the back of her head in order to get her out of the way. Although his job did not appear to be in danger during the boardroom session, he took it upon himself to go after Pamela’s performance. This unprovoked attack will not endear him to Pamela in future episodes, and it was not lost on Donald Trump, who commented later on Andy’s lack of experience.

It is also clear that Raj is ready to turn on the group if his ideas are not adopted by everyone. He did not like the choice of “Mosaic” as a name for his company, and said so. However, as soon as Donald Trump implied that it might not be the best name, Raj immediately made it clear that he had been against the name from the very start, instead of supporting his team. This type of “I told you so” attitude is destructive to group cohesion, especially when it is done publicly outside of the group.

The bottom line: People should not use their leaders as targets for their own insecurities. Picking an unwarranted fight with one’s boss is never a good idea. A person can fight to get his/her opinion accepted by a group, but if it is not, the most productive approach is to simply forget about it and move on to the next challenge.

6. When in doubt, don’t stick out: During the winners’ dinner with Donald Trump, Jennifer C. did her best to “model” her mentor. She maintained eye contact with him, did not eat until he ate, and followed his lead on the appropriate silverware to use. This type of behavior helps to build rapport and it protects against a possible faux pas. This is an appropriate course to follow, especially when dealing with new people.

Raj’s behavior illustrates the opposite approach. From the very first meeting, he has attempted to stand out from the crowd with his demeanor and statements. Even his attire--accentuated by black-and-white shoes, firestorm red pants, bow ties, and even a cane—is designed to call attention to himself. The danger in this tactic is that he could be taken less seriously by his colleagues and, most importantly, Donald Trump. As Trump asked some of the candidates at one point during the episode, “What’s with the guy with the cane?”

The bottom line: There’s a difference between being noticed, in a positive way, and becoming a caricature. When in doubt, take cues from the people around you when trying to determine appropriate behavior and dress.

Update on Urban’s “Final Four” contestants, selected prior to Episode 1: These four candidates were selected as likely to be among the “Final Four” contestants, solely on the basis of an examination of their backgrounds and published interviews appearing on the Web site for The Apprentice:

1. Elizabeth: Still employed.

2. Maria: Still employed.

3. Kelly: Still employed.

4. Wes: Still employed.

Both Elizabeth and Maria showed group leadership in different ways. Maria played a significant role in determining her firm’s name, Apex. Interview clips showed that she has an enthusiastic demeanor. Elizabeth was a key facilitator in her company’s brainstorming session. Kelly and Wes were not as prominent in the first episode.

Dr. David J. Urban is Professor of Marketing and Director of the Commonwealth Poll at Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU). He received a Bachelor of Science in Commerce (1977) from the University of Virginia. He also has both a Master of Arts in Psychology (1984) and a Ph.D. in Business Administration (1985) from the University of Michigan.

He is a frequent speaker at meetings of various business and professional organizations, and has been quoted regularly in local, regional and national media, including the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Christian Science Monitor, and more.

Dr. Urban's "Lessons Learned" from "The Apprentice" will run every Friday after the show.

[A.R.A.M.]

I'm still waiting for an Asian male in a major reality show.

Have you forgotten Daniel Lue from Survivor Amazon?

He wasn't around for too long: got voted off the second episode for his poor showing in the competitions and not making friends with the other boys. But his media presence didn't end with Survivor. He put out a calendar out for 2004.

[truMp]

I'm still waiting for an Asian male in a major reality show.

and there was also an asian male from bigbrother 2 or 3?

he did really well, but i forget if he won the game or not.

[nonamerasian]

and there was also an asian male from bigbrother 2 or 3?

he did really well, but i forget if he won the game or not.

Jee. He did really well, but his ex, Jun, won the game.

[Commando_turned_MD]

I'm glad Bradford is off the show. What a fuc#ing idiot.

[younggiftedandblack]

I'm Bradford is off the show. What a fuc#ing idiot.

I do too, but i just finished watching the extended version tonight and I don't care for Ivana and she should've been the one fired.

[A.R.A.M.]

I do too, but i just finished watching the extended version tonight and I don't care for Ivana and she should've been the one fired.

I just watched it too. I love the ending, after Ivana gasps "Ohmigod" over and over, and Trump and gang are talking about how shocked she was that she wasn't the one who was fired. But I feel kinda sorry for Bradford: he will never live that down. Can you imagine his first day back at the firm?

[ism]

That was so wrong. Trump pulled a Pontius Pilate. I'll have to catch the extended boardroom session.

[younggiftedandblack]

That was such BS. And when Ivana said she was "cowering in the corner while Stacy was playing with the 8-ball" made me want to slap the taste out of her mouth. 2 People CLEARLY fuck up and go over budget and they all gang up one person. :rolleyes:

Stacie should've stuck up for herself and went out blazing.

[ism]

Stacie was about to cry. I felt so sorry for her -- she did not deserve that gangbang trashing at all. She acted offbeat, certainly, TWO EPISODES AGO, but I just about lost it when the other girls said they were genuinly scared and called her mentally insane. The one girl that said she was sensitive to mental issues because she had someone in her family or some BS like that... grr.

Well, at least they don't have a scapegoat anymore.

[A.R.A.M.]

That was such BS. And when Ivana said she was "cowering in the corner while Stacy was playing with the 8-ball" made me want to slap the taste out of her mouth. 2 People CLEARLY fuck up and go over budget and they all gang up one person. :rolleyes:

Stacie should've stuck up for herself and went out blazing.

I agree. Some of those women must live really sheltered lives if Stacy's moment with the 8-ball was the most terrifying moment of their lives. Stacy should have just said she was trying to joke around with the group to break the ice, or something like that, to allay Trump's fears. But in the end, I hate how recently a person's performance is not the criteria by which Trump fires someone. Stacy has been pulling her weight, more so than some others. In my opinion, Maria should have been fired.

Oh, and what's up with the royal trumpets that blare when Trump makes his appearance? Some kind of pun on TRUMPet? Or has Trump deluded himself into thinking he's a royal?

[Faithless]

I think the women's attitudes toward Stacie sort of reflect a sentiment toward strong-willed blacks -- they just can't hang with it. They are probably intimidated by the attitude, and are unwilling to accept it.

Maybe I read too much into them. But I think I see hints of that indignance with some of the people I work with.

I think all the women in that boardroom showed me one thing -- they're weak.

I think they showed me tonight that none of them are worth being picked to The Apprentice.

[younggiftedandblack]

omeone on the TWOP board said that the REAL reason she was fired was because she hired a homeless woman to help move those boxes of toothpaste and the lady had a heart attack. Apparently it's in the papers up there.

I still think what they did as catty and un-called for.

[Faithless]

What sort of restaurant does Stacie J own in Harlem? A Subway (http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/index.aspx) .
The Apprentice 2 - SUBWAY® franchisee Stacie J. is one of 18 people vying for a prestigious position with Donald Trump during the current season of "The Apprentice 2," which airs on NBC-TV.

She competed with thousands of wannabe candidates just to achieve her coveted appearance on the show and survived the first week without getting fired.

A stunning and smart Ford model and actress, with an undergraduate degree from Emory University and an MBA from Mercer University, Stacie became a SUBWAY® franchisee about two years ago, opening her Manhattan SUBWAY® restaurant in Harlem during February, 2003.

With Stacie's qualifications, confidence and entrepreneurial spirit, we're sure she will do well. We’ll all be pulling for Stacie to make it through Mr. Trump's daunting hiring process, and to not be one of the ill-fated to hear "The Donald's" immortal catchphrase, "You're Fired!"

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omeone on the TWOP board said that the REAL reason she was fired was because she hired a homeless woman to help move those boxes of toothpaste and the lady had a heart attack. Apparently it's in the papers up there.

I still think what they did as catty and un-called for.
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One rumor source: (http://www.thegamessurvivorspoilers.5u.com/TheApprentice2.html)
...
- The African American girl with dyed blonde hair looked the most energetic of the girl squad and had a likeability to her presence. Her sunglasses were green and her pants were army-brat-esque.

Contestants had been recruited to sell a new toothpaste, Crest Whitening Expressions, in "Refreshing Vanilla Mint" flavor with scratch-and-sniff boxes. At least one of the teams ended up in Washington Square Park, where it hired a plump 51-year-old woman (apparently a street person) to haul the empty boxes back to the truck and bring the contestants new boxes for the munificent sum of $20.

As the woman worked, she was reported to mumble, "I have to do a good job for Crest." After about an hour, she had worked herself into a trance, and she started rolling on the ground chanting "Crest! Crest! Crest!" Finally, an off-duty EMT technician and another passerby helped the woman back to the Crest truck -- where she promply had a seizure and passed out across the front seats.

After being out for three minutes, the woman awoke, vomited, and then said, "Where's my money?" So much for hiring the homeless. While the team was happy to see her go, Apprentice co-star Carolyn Kepcher jumped all over the hapless contestants, asking them which idiot had hired her.
...

[deez nuts]

you don't want a loon and a loose cannon running your business especially a business of trump's magnitude. stacy was a loon and a loose cannon. she was too much of an x factor to be put in a executive position in a multi millionaire dollar project.

it was on the catty side how she was gang banged. but, what did you expect from a team of all women? i think they played the game well. they teamed up to get rid of, in my eyes, the weakest link on their team.

[younggiftedandblack]

you don't want a loon and a loose cannon running your business especially a business of trump's magnitude. stacy was a loon and a loose cannon. she was too much of an x factor to be put in a executive position in a multi millionaire dollar project.

it was on the catty side how she was gang banged. but, what did you expect from a team of all women? i think they played the game well. they teamed up to get rid of, in my eyes, the weakest link on their team.

She was a weak link and she did do something crazy that 1st day. BUT to out right lie and say you were fearing for your life and blah, blah is just foul IMO.

[deez nuts]

She was a weak link and she did do something crazy that 1st day. BUT to out right lie and say you were fearing for your life and blah, blah is just foul IMO.

oh they said that? i missed that part cuz i had to take a dump. women can be so dramatic when they're together in a group.

stacy also went ahead and called the temp agency without ivana's approval last episode.

[younggiftedandblack]

oh they said that? i missed that part cuz i had to take a dump. women can be so dramatic when they're together in a group.

stacy also went ahead and called the temp agency without ivana's approval last episode.

NO CB. You missed the earlier posts! It turned out in the extra footage episode that she DID get permission from Ivana. Ivana just didn'ttell the rest of the group and tried to lie her way out of it when they called her on it.

[deez nuts]

NO CB. You missed the earlier posts! It turned out in the extra footage episode that she DID get permission from Ivana. Ivana just didn'ttell the rest of the group and tried to lie her way out of it when they called her on it.

really? damn.....that's fucked up. i should really watch those encore presentations with those extra minutes of footage or read the previous threads.

for some odd reason, this season's apprentice just doesn't grab my complete and utter attention like season one's. i have no idea why.

shit, speaking of which, i missed CSI: NY again.

[Faithless]

General question -- do you all think that Trump is sensitive to the idea of hiring somebody that might be a bigot?

That is, does he care about the racial attitudes of his future "apprentices"?

[kitty]

no, i don't think he gives a damn, because personally i think he's probably a bigot too. not necessarily racially, but he definitely seems to have prejudicial attitudes. Last night's bashing of 'crazies' is one obvious moment.

I thought the entire thing was racially driven. Was Stacie J acting oddly? possibly -- but if she had been a white girl, I hardly think that people would be 'hiding in corners' afraid that she was going to jump across the table and eat them or something.

From what was shown of that scene, Stacie seemed more to be trying to involve everyone is positive group attitudes, and got shot down. She was upset that she was being ignored. I can't say I blame her. To jump to the conclusion that she's mentally unstable?

[Filiprish]

kitty, you've spoken the truth, they were scared b/c she was "black", plain and simple. She wrong for getting so worked up, tho. She should've just changed her tactic if she wanted their attention. In the end, she's the one to blame.

[Faithless]

no, i don't think he gives a damn, because personally i think he's probably a bigot too. not necessarily racially, but he definitely seems to have prejudicial attitudes. Last night's bashing of 'crazies' is one obvious moment.

I thought the entire thing was racially driven. Was Stacie J acting oddly? possibly -- but if she had been a white girl, I hardly think that people would be 'hiding in corners' afraid that she was going to jump across the table and eat them or something.

From what was shown of that scene, Stacie seemed more to be trying to involve everyone is positive group attitudes, and got shot down. She was upset that she was being ignored. I can't say I blame her. To jump to the conclusion that she's mentally unstable?
Then why watch this piece of shit show anymore?

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on a leadership role as a complete outsider in a well-established business."
Here are some tips for success from the experts at Lee Hecht Harrison for
The Apprentice candidates:

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-- Be agile: You may have to jump quickly from one set of behaviors to
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with lightening reflexes.
-- Stay calm: Being professional may seem like simplistic advice, but
it's crucial. Some of the candidates on the show get visibly rattled
early on because they feel that they are not being listened to or
valued by other teammates.

[kimpossible]

shit, speaking of which, i missed CSI: NY again.

you need a TiVo so you can program which shows to record and if you're watching something live and you need to shit, you can pause it. even fast forward through all the commercials if you have enough lead time.

no, i don't think he gives a damn, because personally i think he's probably a bigot too. not necessarily racially, but he definitely seems to have prejudicial attitudes. Last night's bashing of 'crazies' is one obvious moment.

I thought the entire thing was racially driven. Was Stacie J acting oddly? possibly -- but if she had been a white girl, I hardly think that people would be 'hiding in corners' afraid that she was going to jump across the table and eat them or something.

From what was shown of that scene, Stacie seemed more to be trying to involve everyone is positive group attitudes, and got shot down. She was upset that she was being ignored. I can't say I blame her. To jump to the conclusion that she's mentally unstable?

I kind of agree with you with one small but important variance. I think Trump is all about money first and foremost so I believe his prejudices take a backseat to the almighty dollar. He did a similar thing to Rob when all the guys turned on him. If there's one team member all the others agree on, Trump tends to fire that one.

Instead, I hold Mark Burnett and the production of the show responsible for the decision to choose an overwhelming majority of Caucasian candidates with an afterthought addition of a couple token minority candidates so they don't look racist. I'm hard pressed to believe that the cast of candidates they brought on the show is a true representation of the qualified applicants.

If Stacie was set up by anyone, I find fault lying with the producers who seem to find an endless number of average blondes but only one female each of African and Asian descent every season. Personally, I think Stacie had to go but I also think most of them need to go so it doesn't matter to me which order they go in.

[Faithless]

I kind of agree with you with one small but important variance. I think Trump is all about money first and foremost so I believe his prejudices take a backseat to the almighty dollar. He did a similar thing to Rob when all the guys turned on him. If there's one team member all the others agree on, Trump tends to fire that one.

Instead, I hold Mark Burnett and the production of the show responsible for the decision to choose an overwhelming majority of Caucasian candidates with an afterthought addition of a couple token minority candidates so they don't look racist. I'm hard pressed to believe that the cast of candidates they brought on the show is a true representation of the qualified applicants.

If Stacie was set up by anyone, I find fault lying with the producers who seem to find an endless number of average blondes but only one female each of African and Asian descent every season. Personally, I think Stacie had to go but I also think most of them need to go so it doesn't matter to me which order they go in.
This sounds on the mark to me.

It maybe the applicant pool, or Burnett and the other producers view of what the television viewing audience wants to see. Either way, it sounds like it's pandering to white attitudes.

[deez nuts]

well remember that kwame made it all the way to the finals.

or was he an oreo?

and yes i need tivo.

[kimpossible]

I do too, but i just finished watching the extended version tonight and I don't care for Ivana and she should've been the one fired.

Don't worry she won't last with that boardroom behaviour. Sinking back in her chair, crossing her arms with a sourpuss sulk that looks like she had a vinegar lemonade while throwing every excuse for her failure out in desperation marked her. It doesn't seem like Carolyn is likely to forget that.

Man, am I one of the few that really despised Bradford? I never thought he would last long. He had that chump aura to him like he is rejected often. That brought Ivana back up a notch or two in my esteem. Good, cutthroat move. He exposed himself, she took advantage.

[Faithless]

I actually watched one of these from beginning to end.

I think it was obvious from the onset who would get booted.

One thing that I don't get, and I guess you had to rely on that boardroom woman to convey, that where the ladies' restaurant was located was sort-of middleclass land.

That being the case, then, yeah, the decoure (sp?) was all wrong.

Ivana, who didn't get much play, was right about the women milling around. The Zagat survey beared that out.

Rude comments of the show:

That comment about giving the gay guys a b******.

The constant whining about the supposed Jewish customers. They had a point about the look of the restaurant, Jen. You could see the walls looked naked. Or is that what Asian-fussion is supposed to look like? :rolleyes:

[lethal]

Jennifer was a fool for not taking Sandy into the boardroom. Sandy was the only person who Jennifer could pin the blame on to save her own neck. Decor cost the women heavily and Sandy was in charge of it.

The restaurant wasn't in middle class land (none of Manhattan is what you could call middle class land), but rather in an area that is more casual. I think the men had better location for sure.

I have no idea how they got anyone to eat at those places at all. Opening night and people randomly walk into a place they've never seen before? Only tourists do that.

Also, 1 day to get a restaurant ready to go? Are they crazy? Has anyone seen the show "The Restaurant" ? That place took months to get ready.

Listening to Ivana talk about lack of leadership skills made me laugh. Man, her performance has dissapointed me the most. After working with her for a year, I remember her to be much better than she is now.

These women are so, so catty. The only ones who don't piss me off are Jennifer the lawyer and Pamela.

Raj was men's project manager this time. I can't say I noticed him much, but maybe its because the men work well together and get things done.

[deez nuts]

the women suck this year.

the women of last season crushed the men and were undefeated (or close to it) before the donald mixed it up.

[Faithless]

Which of the contestants is from New Hampshire?

Gambling site suspends betting on 'The Apprentice' (http://www.sptimes.com/2004/09/30/Artsandentertainment/Gambling_site_suspend.shtml)
By wire services
Published September 30, 2004

NEW YORK - An offshore bookie has suspended betting on the winner of the second season of NBC's The Apprentice, citing an "unusual betting pattern on two contestants" from accounts originating in New Hampshire.

"We don't know if this is some kind of link to the contestants or some way involved with the production," BetWWTS.com wagering director Stuart Doyle told the Associated Press Tuesday. "When this has happened before, it's because someone has known the outcome."

This is the fourth reality-TV-related incident on which BetWWTS.com has suspended wagering because of unusual betting patterns. Last year, CBS's Survivor: Pearl Islands winner Sandra Diaz-Twine received numerous wagers from Vancouver, British Columbia, before the first episode even aired. Similar incidents occurred during Survivor: The Amazon and the second installment of ABC's The Bachelor.

"We are considering not offering betting on reality shows that have been pretaped," said Doyle. "It simply seems impossible not to have to suspend them very quickly."

Unlike the Pearl Islands incident where the suspicious wagers occurred near the winner's home in Fort Lewis, Wash., none of the Apprentice candidates seem to have New Hampshire ties, according to their NBC bios.
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Trump's Speaking Fee Raises Eyebrows (http://www.austin360.com/recreation/content/auto/aponline/ap_story.html/Entertainment/AP.V3236.AP-People-Donald-T.html)
AP Photo NY129


AMHERST, N.Y. (AP)--Donald Trump's $200,000 speaking fee raised eyebrows when it was revealed by the University at Buffalo, which had never before shelled out as much for a guest.

But the billionaire said that's not why he intends to give it away to charity. He said he does it all the time.

``I give it all away,'' Trump told The Buffalo News. ``Every time I make a speech, I give it away. That's one of the reasons I make speeches. I like giving away money to worthy charities. I get a lot of money, and it is not hard for me to speak, and it works out well.''

In fact, he said, the university is getting a bargain. ``I actually get $300,000 to speak,'' he said.

Trump, star of NBC's ``The Apprentice,'' was scheduled to speak at the university Thursday as part of its ``Distinguished Speakers'' series.

[kitty]

yeah, andy, i was going to ask if you remember ivana as being... well... competent?

oh, and kim, i agree with you about casting, but trump doesn't seem to fire someone if everyone else hates them. omarosa stayed on the show for a long time despite everyone's hatred of her. and i was reacting to the sort of general 'mental issues = spawn of the devil' attitude in that boardroom -- whethr or not it was true... one instance of perceived abnormal behaviour and everyone heads for the high hills?

[Faithless]

Alright. So it's a love-hate relationship with this show for me. :rolleyes:

I like how media outlets like Motley Fool chime in. Their critique of week 4.

Table for Trump (http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2004/mft04093018.htm)
...
It's fitting that Zagat was the gauge of success because New Yorkers Tim and Nina Zagat started the popular review service by rating local restaurants 25 years ago.

With George Ross away on business the show's first apprentice, Bill Rancic, joined Donald and Caroline in the boardroom.

Jennifer C. was assigned to be Apex's project manager while Raj was randomly drawn to lead Mosaic. Apex began discussing the cuisine alternatives. While Stacy wanted to go Italian, Jennifer C. pulled rank and made an executive decision to go with Asian fusion. It wasn't a bad call when you consider that P.F. Chang's (Nasdaq: PFCB) is doing just that and it is one of the country's fastest growing restaurant chains. The team went for stylish decor and dressed in chic outfits to complement its trendy menu. That would ultimately be a problem as the team overshot the neighborhood's more casual clientele.

Raj led Mosaic with a continental cuisine menu. Chris had worked previously as a waiter so he trained the staff on the basics of making small talk with the customer. If profits and sales had been the ultimate gauges of success, he would have no doubt covered the art of upselling, but this was all about satisfaction surveys so Chris and his coy "I hate the public but I know how to turn it on and off," served Mosaic well.

From John's blowtorch artwork to the team's ability to turn unhappy customers around by resorting to beefcake, it was pretty clear that Mosaic had this one in the doggie bag. Apex proved to be a confrontational bunch, with a casual crowd complaining about the slow and uneasy service and taking the eatery to task for serving bread in an Asian concept.
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And just who is Carolyn Kepcher?

'Apprentice's' Trump card: Pity the fool who exasperates Carolyn Kepcher (http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvNews/view.bg?articleid=46452)
By Amy Amatangelo
Wednesday, September 29, 2004

You'd think the youngsters would have learned by now.

Don't annoy Carolyn Kepcher.

Donald Trump's trusted adviser suffers no fools, and she's been feeling exasperated on NBC's ``The Apprentice'' this season (the series airs tonight at 9 on WHDH, Ch. 7, out of its regular Thursday time slot because of tomorrow's presidential debate).

Kepcher's stares are icier. Her comments sting more. She will admit to some eye-rolling.

``What's changed are the contestants,'' Kepcher said in a recent telephone conference call with reporters. ``I will say it's trying. It's exhausting. Last season, the boardrooms could go anywhere from one to two hours. This season, without a doubt, they run three to five hours. And talk about antics. Was I frustrated? Yes. I was absolutely frustrated at some of the answers that we were receiving, some of the excuses we were getting.''

She's particularly aggravated with Ivana, the 28-year-old venture capitalist from Boston, and her performance in the second boardroom of the season.

``She was very indecisive. She had a lot of excuses. She was very exhausting. The women took this one particular task - selling ice cream - and for close to three hours, we had to listen to them explain how they overanalyzed it. When they were trying to come up with the name of the ice cream, they had a flip chart with 500 names on it. Ivana is a very strong person. . . . I think she was getting a little too indecisive and perhaps pushing a little too hard.''

Kepcher, an executive vice president with The Trump Organization and the chief operating officer of Trump National Golf Clubs, doles out business advice in her new book, ``Carolyn 101: Business Lessons from The Apprentice's Straight Shooter'' (Fireside, $21.95).

``I'm not pretending to be a teacher of business. This is the way I did it. I'm an expert in what I did so I can talk about it. I could never say this is gospel, but it's certainly gospel for me and it's worked for me. And if it works for somebody else, that's great. It really made me answer the question, `How did I get to where I am today?' It really did broaden my whole concept of what my whole management style is.''

Kepcher stands by her man. Even though she advocated for Ivana's ousting in the second episode, Donald Trump gave Bradford, who infamously gave up his immunity, his walking papers.

Kepcher agrees with Trump's decision.

``Here's a man who had been given a bye and he worked hard for it. And to make a foolish move of giving that up. If the boss came up to you and said, `Thanks very much. You've worked very hard, here's a raise.' And you turned around and said, `No, no thanks, I won't take the raise.' What would you think of that person? It's not too smart.''

The mother of two can't believe that this year's executive wannabes didn't learn from last season's contestants.

``I see them pouncing a little too much, a little too quickly. Cutting people off, cutting myself, Donald and George (Ross) off. I thought there was some disrespect in the boardroom, and this is Donald's boardroom. It certainly is not theirs. And I never saw that in the first season.''

Even though she's been with Trump for nearly a decade, Kepcher doesn't count on company loyalty.

``There's no such thing as job security. I don't think anybody has immunity in the Trump organization. I continue to work hard just like I did a year ago.''

[kitty]

carolyn's interesting. I *really* wish they would make more of the boardrooms available, and not in this slick, watch the show twice in one week to get the full scoop kind of way.

[ism]

oh, and kim, i agree with you about casting, but trump doesn't seem to fire someone if everyone else hates them. omarosa stayed on the show for a long time despite everyone's hatred of her. and i was reacting to the sort of general 'mental issues = spawn of the devil' attitude in that boardroom -- whethr or not it was true... one instance of perceived abnormal behaviour and everyone heads for the high hills?Don't forget that Trump is not the only one making the decision of who to keep. Mark Burnett has a huge influence. Actually, I think Burnett was the only reason Omarosa stuck around so long last season, and why Stacie J left so early this time around.

[Filiprish]

carolyn's interesting.
On this coming Dateline, Sundays on NBC (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/), Carolyn is going to explain how women can "make it the top." I'm gonna watch, I think Carolyn's hott, actually.

[lethal]

http://www.ivanama.com

[Faithless]

http://www.ivanama.com
She really likes that red shirt.

Her flash site is too simplistic.

He email contact info should be links.

And probably her most important section, Consulting Services, has got the dreaded --

"Under Construction"

Posted. :eek:

[kimpossible]

I don't think there's anything wrong with her site. Looks like she's trying to capitalize on her airtime. That's not a bad move.

[Faithless]

^ Well, her site is cute. But that's about it.

If she wants real business, she needs to be more than that.

Based on her site, I imagine that she will not be the winner of this Apprentice.

[kimpossible]

Re: this week's canning

I'm so glad Jen C. got her walking papers.

[Faithless]

Re: this week's canning

I'm so glad Jen C. got her walking papers.
Yeah.

She could be the star of a future reality show I just made up -- Wretch Factor. :eek:

[Filiprish]

Re: this week's canning

I'm so glad Jen C. got her walking papers.
Not me, she was fine. :(

[A.R.A.M.]

Jen's life just got a little worse: the company she works for in real life just fired her, presumably over the remarks she made on the show.

[Faithless]

Jen's life just got a little worse: the company she works for in real life just fired her, presumably over the remarks she made on the show.
Okay, that's worth a google news search.

Ah, yes, here it is --

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,15058,00.html?tnews
"Apprentice" Player Axed Again?

by Joal Ryan
Oct 1, 2004, 6:05 PM PT

Apparently, Donald Trump isn't the only one who doesn't want the latest Apprentice reject.

The New York City real-estate firm that employed reality-show firee Jennifer Crisafulli is distancing itself from the trumped contestant after she was heard remarking about "two old Jewish fat ladies" on Wednesday's episode.

"We do not intend to have an individual in our organization who subscribes to this point of view," Steven James, an executive at Prudential Douglas Elliman said in Friday's Albany (New York) Times Union.

Added James: "They are not wanted. They are not needed."

The Times Union noted that James stopped short of saying the 32-year-old had been fired, à la Trump. The paper further noted James couldn't say the word fired, à la Trump, for legal reasons.

Speaking to her hometown newspaper, Crisafulli sounded as if she'd gotten James' gist--if not the hook.

"I'm so upset," Crisafulli told the Times Union. "I mean, my career is gone."
...

[mr. x]

moral of the story, dont fuck with the jews

[kimpossible]

Not me, she was fine. :(

sure, if you watched her on mute.

[lethal]

Not me, she was fine. :( This is the woman who never knew when to shut up. That was almost the most annoying thing about her.

The women last season were so much better.

[Filiprish]

^I didn't say I like her personality.

moral of the story, dont fuck with the jews
LMAO. Seriously, don't fuck with them.

[Faithless]

(Regarding Jen C.) ^I didn't say I like her personality.
But even then, you still have to deal with it, like -- in bed.

Oh my god, you're worse than so-and-so.

Will you hurry up. I've got an early meeting. No wait, no I don't anymore. Anyway, hurry up, I'm getting bored.

Faster! Slower. Your fingers. Nipples. Faster! Slower. OK, now exit.
:frown:

[kimpossible]

Anyone want to make predictions? My pick is Jennifer M. I say... in the top three, with Kevin and possibly Raj.

By the way, Raj needs to stop answering the phone in his boxers. *shudder*

[younggiftedandblack]

Anyone want to make predictions? My pick is Jennifer M. I say... in the top three, with Kevin and possibly Raj.

By the way, Raj needs to stop answering the phone in his boxers. *shudder*

Yeah Jen M. seems like a good bet. Trump is just waiting in the cut to fire Ivana.

[Filiprish]

But even then, you still have to deal with it, like -- in bed.

Oh my god, you're worse than so-and-so.

Will you hurry up. I've got an early meeting. No wait, no I don't anymore. Anyway, hurry up, I'm getting bored.

Faster! Slower. Your fingers. Nipples. Faster! Slower. OK, now exit.
:frown:
Got a point there. Damn, you just ruined her for me? We we're doing just fine until you came along! :mad:

Did you guys here about the rumor that Kelly and Jen are the final two? I believe it. Jen is in the final for political reasons, Trump is scared the fuck out of Jews. Kelly is taking home the prize.

[kimpossible]

Did you guys here about the rumor that Kelly and Jen are the final two? I believe it. Jen is in the final for political reasons, Trump is scared the fuck out of Jews. Kelly is taking home the prize.

Jennifer M is Jewish? How did you know that? I only know that Stacy is Jewish because she said so in the last episode in regard to Jen C's comment.

[lethal]

Anyone want to make predictions? My pick is Jennifer M. I say... in the top three, with Kevin and possibly Raj.

By the way, Raj needs to stop answering the phone in his boxers. *shudder*

Raj answering the phone in his boxers still sleepy is much more realistic than Bradford sitting by the phone in his suit (at 5 AM) waiting for it to ring.

I'm impressed by Jennifer M and Pamela among the women. Or at least I don't hate any of them yet.

Among the men, no one has really stood out yet, but I don't think Andy brings anything to the table and Chris was pretty crude last episode. The guy who refused to let the guys eat in the ice cream episode was pretty bad too.

[Filiprish]

Jennifer M is Jewish? How did you know that? I only know that Stacy is Jewish because she said so in the last episode in regard to Jen C's comment.
My fault. Jenn M is the blonde lawyer.

[Faithless]

Raj answering the phone in his boxers still sleepy is much more realistic than Bradford sitting by the phone in his suit (at 5 AM) waiting for it to ring.
that is rediculous, when you think about it.
.
I'm impressed by Jennifer M and Pamela among the women. Or at least I don't hate any of them yet.

Among the men, no one has really stood out yet, but I don't think Andy brings anything to the table and Chris was pretty crude last episode. The guy who refused to let the guys eat in the ice cream episode was pretty bad too.
Very impressed, though?

Or, are what's left, just ah-ight?

[truMp]

Among the men, no one has really stood out yet, but I don't think Andy brings anything to the table and Chris was pretty crude last episode. The guy who refused to let the guys eat in the ice cream episode was pretty bad too.

I think the audience has had more exposure to the women because of their frequent appearances in the boardroom where they speak more aggressively in order to survive. When the time comes in which the two groups merge, that's when the clear-cut leaders will strive and be seen.

As for tonight's episode, the Donald's decision to cut "iron-fisted" Pamela was kind of sad; especially since the deficit to the winning team was only $10! Trump was right though when the reasoning behind his decision was because of the lack of people analyzation, the quasi-military style of leadership just wouldn't work with the women like it did with the men; maybe since the women tend to come together to prowl on a single individual as they have for the last couple of episodes. If anyone else in Apex other than Pamela had made a mistake, I'm sure they would have went instead.

Anna K. was hot; Raj's words of wisdom are so wise. I think I'm going to go and hit on all the girls i see :biggrin:.

[Faithless]

Didn't even watch it, and yet those would have been my reasons for ousting Pamela.

[kitty]

i think pamela is an excellent manager who got unlucky. i want maria and stacy to leave, asap. this was a bad decision by trump, but at least pamela will most likely be scooped up by some huge company and make more than she woulda with trump.

[lethal]

Pamela got unlucky because there were no obvious mistakes besides the pricing which was her responsibility.

Has anyone noticed that when the women get cliquish, its because of Ivana? She calls these meetings to discuss boardroom strategy and who to try to blame. That's a little underhanded I think.

Stacy is annoying as hell and Pamela is right. She is a lawyer through and through. Basically, she doesn't answer questions with an answer but rather with conditionals, the CYA way to go favored by lawyers. Also, Stacy claims that she works for a top law firm in NYC, yet according to my research, she just passed the NY Bar in Feb after passing the Conn Bar last summer (meaning she failed the NY Bar August of 2003). I can't find her listed as working for any law firm anywhere, much less a top NYC firm.

Maria was bad on camera and messed up the money a few episodes ago. Sandy was terrible with the restaurant design. Ivana messed up her project management, then had to be partly responsible for the budget overrun. Elizabeth broke down and cried on camera when she couldn't get a 4th person to market the restaurant saying she was being set up for failure.

Only Jennifer has not done anything badly, yet I haven't seen her step up and do anything well either.

Again, I can't tell you much about the men. Kelly looks like he's trying to make a power play and Raj is fighting him. Chris was pretty crude in the restaurant episode. Andy is young and doesn't bring much experience. John wouldn't let the guys spend any money to eat during the ice cream episode because it would cut into their projects (I'd say thats akin to Jen C. making the women clean the restaurant space in the middle of the night rather than sleeping). Kevin has made no impression on me. I guess he came up with donut ice cream. Raj seems like a guy who is willing to take personal risks but have fun as well.

All I know about the men is that Andy and maybe Chris will be in the boardroom the most early on.

[yoMAMA]

Pam is hot, and she got papers from wharton and harvard business......

[huge admirer of pam here] :biggrin:

[kimpossible]

stacy won't last long. i'm still trying to figure out how she qualified as a CEO candidate. i haven't seen a single ounce of business acumen to date.

i'm interested to see ivana as a PM again. she might be very different the second time around. if she could get a good win she could win back some credit with The Donald.

I believe Kevin also came up with the non-profit partnering for the ice cream, as well as the product itself. At first I thought FilipIrish was smoking crack about Kelly being one of the finals, but he does seem to be doing well now that I look back on it.

[deez nuts]

stacy won't last long. i'm still trying to figure out how she qualified as a CEO candidate. i haven't seen a single ounce of business acumen to date.



stacy will shine soon.

come on stacy r. i'm still pulling for ya!

[kitty]

do you really think the sponges were overpriced? i thought the price was fine, considering that normal sponges go for $1.00 each. i'm not sure that they would've sold enough at $19.99 to make up for the higher selling price.

[kimpossible]

I think they should've gone with a completely different product, especially an older woman's luxury product that falls under pricing paradox like skin cream or home spa crap. But in regard to the product they chose, yes, I feel they went too high. Who the hell wants to buy 30 sponges at (roughly) a dollar each?

But who knows. I'm just Monday morning quarterbacking.

stacy will shine soon.

come on stacy r. i'm still pulling for ya!

oh, i see what you're all about now.

[Faithless]

I still can't believe that Pam is 32.

http://i.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/news/040927/apprentice/pamela.jpg

She looks more like 42.

I think when Trump appoints them project manager, he's putting a lot more expectation on them.

That being the case, it was probably Pam's task to fix Apex. She didn't.

There's probably something to be said about groups like Apex that don't work well together, but something more telling about a person who can't get them to work better together.

[deez nuts]

oh, i see what you're all about now.


Go Lions!

[lethal]

There's probably something to be said about groups like Apex that don't work well together, but something more telling about a person who can't get them to work better together.
No one's gotten that group to work together. It won't be fixed until they break the teams up again. Those women don't get along and I can't tell if its because of Stacy, Ivana, or someone else.

[kimpossible]

Only Jennifer has not done anything badly, yet I haven't seen her step up and do anything well either.


Definitely. She needs to step up and start leading soon. There's nothing more to measure her by until she takes on the role as PM.

[nitro]

I don't get the "outrageous" price for those scrubbies ... The LOWEST PRICE advertised for the item is $29.98. How ironic. I wonder if the thing just scrubs the paint right off the walls along with stain :confused:

http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/images/products/duo/duo_product.jpg

Pamela was so strong-headed. She defended herself agressively to Trump in a not so ass-kissing way necessary in business :rolleyes: . Know when to pick your battles. She made herself the target. I mean ... all that weight-lifting must make her feel like He-Man. And what's will the bad hoops?

Kai

[yoMAMA]

I still can't believe that Pam is 32.

http://i.timeinc.net/people/i/2004/04/news/040927/apprentice/pamela.jpg

She looks more like 42.

I think when Trump appoints them project manager, he's putting a lot more expectation on them.

That being the case, it was probably Pam's task to fix Apex. She didn't.

There's probably something to be said about groups like Apex that don't work well together, but something more telling about a person who can't get them to work better together.

yeah she does look much older, but then again I've always have a thing for older women.

:biggrin:

[Faithless]

The Motley Fool's take on episode 5:

http://www.fool.com/News/mft/2004/mft04100817.htm
...
The episode went to great lengths to emphasize the crucial aspect of pricing. Because the winning team was going to be decided based solely on the dollar amount of its total sales, it was important for each team to arrive at a price that would maximize sales without alienating potential customers.

Kelly and Raj argued over whether to price the grill above or below the $70 mark. Kelly prevailed, and the item hit the QVC soundstage priced at $71.25. Apex threw out a $19.99 figure before an assertive Pamela raised it to $27.23.

If you thought the Florida elections in 2000 were close, you wouldn't believe the photo finish this week. Apex sold 659 of the 31-piece sponge kits for a total of $17,944.57, while Mosaic moved 252 Panini makers for a grand total of $17,955. $10.43 was all that separated the men from the women, and Apex was sent to the boardroom, where a confident Pamela couldn't overcome her team's critique of her abrasive management style.
...
Pam should have stuck with 19.99. Could have hooked more viewers at that price. $27.23 sounds sort of odd. Although, Motley disagrees with keeping it at $19.99.

One did agree with me on Pam's management style.
.
Rick: Will I earn Carolyn's piercing glare if I say that she was wrong about the pricing on It Works? Pamela was right. Two pennies more wouldn't have turned a single buyer off and it would have given Apex the win. I don't think they would have moved 899 of them at $19.99. But what ultimately killed the team was the product it selected. How can you introduce a brand new item -- which means that you will miss out on the glowing testimonials that sealed the deal for the guys and their Panini grill? What's worse is that it was a product that took vital time off the clock just to demonstrate it. It Works? How ironic.

Tim: What really didn't work was Pamela's management style. I know that's going to get me in trouble with George but, really, how come she never once used the term "we" when referring to her team? It was all "they, they, them." And even George lampooned her "it was a tie" comment. News flash, Pam: You either win or you don't, and you've got to earn the respect of your team to win.

Rick: This was a coup for Liberty Media and QVC. Having both teams come back on in a few days to sell their products again live -- yes, Monday night at 10 p.m. Eastern -- that's beautiful. I think there will be a whole lot of people cleaning their DeLonghi nonstick grills with It Works sponges later this month.

Tim: Maybe they can use them to clean up the schlock The Donald laid on the tube at the opening? In his unbridled enthusiasm for QVC he mentioned that it's the largest electronic retailer. That's like calling UPS rival FedEx (NYSE: FDX) one of the world's largest airlines. Hasn't Trump heard of the Internet? QVC may be big, but its $4 billion in sales is dwarfed by Amazon's (Nasdaq: AMZN) $6 billion over the past year.

[A.R.A.M.]

Ivana had the best quote this episode: "When I first saw the guys' clothes, I immediately thought, 'Ok, who raided my grandfather's attic and cut up my couch?" She said it. Those guys designed some absolutely hideous looking clothes.

[lethal]

The women were far better than the men this time. I think the women had a distinct and inherent advantage though.

After the team reshuffling next week, we'll see who comes out on top. No more men vs women.

I really would like to see what Jennifer can do as a project manager.

[applehead]

Ivana had the best quote this episode: "When I first saw the guys' clothes, I immediately thought, 'Ok, who raided my grandfather's attic and cut up my couch?" She said it. Those guys designed some absolutely hideous looking clothes.

really?
i liked the designs a lot more than the women's designs.
i actually loved all of theirs.
they picked out really gorgeous fabric...

[lethal]

John's super long silence when asked a question in the boardroom was killer. Even if he did bring both Wes and Kevin into the boardroom, who was more responsible for the pricing? They seemed both equally responsible.

Plus, John should have done the pricing himself. Also, he picked the designer. Those clothes were horrible. John just made too many mistakes.

The women just looked so much more well organized and competent in this task.

[kimpossible]

Raj = modelizer

[deez nuts]

why do these people always shoot themselves in the foot by bringing the wrong person into the board room?

[applehead]

Raj = modelizer

hahahahahaha kim. totally.
and he doesn't seem like one AT ALL.
i was surprised.

why do these people always shoot themselves in the foot by bringing the wrong person into the board room?

and another thing i don't understand is.
why bring only 2 when you can choose 3.

[kimpossible]

why do these people always shoot themselves in the foot by bringing the wrong person into the board room?

Because they think that they have 'friends' and mistake it for nobility or loyalty.

Sandy needs to have her ass dragged in there and flambe'd. She's skated twice now when she's flubbed twice. I sense Carolyn is eager to take a chunk out of her.

I'm liking Ivana more now. She seems to have grown a sac and has learned from her mistakes. Even if she doesn't get hired, I think it made her more competitive overall.

[Filiprish]

John's super long silence when asked a question in the boardroom was killer. Even if he did bring both Wes and Kevin into the boardroom, who was more responsible for the pricing? They seemed both equally responsible.
Yeah, regardless, whether he brought Wes in, ultimately, John was responsible. That's the brunt one bare's in leadership positions. :rolleyes:

Plus, John should have done the pricing himself. Also, he picked the designer. Those clothes were horrible. John just made too many mistakes.
I never liked John, he's all about hard work but not quality work. I wrote him off after that one time he suggested that no one eat all day on the ice cream challenge. No responsible person would suggest such a thing, in that situation.

The women just looked so much more well organized and competent in this task.
Well, they had an inherent advantage. The guys seem like they didn't care if they one this one b/c if they did it'd tarnish their manhood.

I'm liking Ivana more now. She seems to have grown a sac and has learned from her mistakes. Even if she doesn't get hired, I think it made her more competitive overall.
I agree, Ivana is either becoming more comfortable and able to be herself or she's learning or both. Regardless, I've noticed an improvement.

Raj = modelizer
I've lost more respect for Raj as a leader, after this challenge. He's still I guy that I'd want on my team, just not as the leader.

[deez nuts]

Because they think that they have 'friends' and mistake it for nobility or loyalty.


you mean you can add "having a heart" to these people's c.v.'s along with HBS and wharton?

blasphemy!

[A.R.A.M.]

really?
i liked the designs a lot more than the women's designs.
i actually loved all of theirs.
they picked out really gorgeous fabric...

I know shit about fabric, so I can't address that. But I have to stand with Ivana on this one. I think most of the styles were ugly. Did you like that big purple cape/collar thing? The women had an ugly cape too, but at least it wasn't Barney-colored. How about that blouse that harked back to the days of men's plaid suits? However, I liked one of the skirts the guys designed. But I'm neither a girl or a metrosexual, so I guess I don't really know what is stylish and what is not.

[applehead]

I know shit about fabric, so I can't address that. But I have to stand with Ivana on this one. I think most of the styles were ugly. Did you like that big purple cape/collar thing? The women had an ugly cape too, but at least it wasn't Barney-colored. How about that blouse that harked back to the days of men's plaid suits? However, I liked one of the skirts the guys designed. But I'm neither a girl or a metrosexual, so I guess I don't really know what is stylish and what is not.

omg. you're totally picking on the pieces
that i loved the most.
that's so funny.

[kimpossible]

I know shit about fabric, so I can't address that. But I have to stand with Ivana on this one. I think most of the styles were ugly. Did you like that big purple cape/collar thing? The women had an ugly cape too, but at least it wasn't Barney-colored. How about that blouse that harked back to the days of men's plaid suits? However, I liked one of the skirts the guys designed. But I'm neither a girl or a metrosexual, so I guess I don't really know what is stylish and what is not.

I'm with you and I'm female but I've also been told that my fashion sense is non-existent.

[lethal]

The bitch Stacey is gone. Finally. I hated her the absolute most.

[A.R.A.M.]

The bitch Stacey is gone. Finally. I hated her the absolute most.

Yeah, good riddance. I hate people who ask inane questions because they it makes them look smart. But I have to admit, I loved that scene in front of the elevators at the end where Wes (?) tries to hug her goodbye and she backs away angrily, telling him no.

[Filiprish]

Elizabeth is going next week if her team loses. Andy is a target, too. I hope he redeems himself.

[lethal]

I don't know the results, but Raj did not impress me at all as PM.

I think Ivana has to be the next PM for her team.

[kitty]

i don't think ivana'll make it.

[lethal]

Raj is one horny lil bastard.

[kitty]

that was amusing :)

[Faithless]

Boy that was painful to watch.

I think from the outset for me, it was obvious what advertisizing campaign was going to win.

You could see Raj's stupid fucking military advertising scheme just going the wrong way. Everyone on that team sucked, it's just too bad the PM (I can't remember her name) took the fall and not Raj for being so gung ho and unable to see through other points.

He says that he went with what he thought was the best idea because there was none. Problem is -- he kept at it even when the PM was challenging him on it. Raj should have been gone. Although, judging from the snide attitudes of everyone in his group, I don't think any of them will be there at the very end.

By contrast, you could see that Andy's keeping focus of the campaign from the heart was going to work.

I loved how some of Andy's team wanted to push the sex appeal. Why? Join the force for the nookie? Gawwwd that's dumb.

The chick that suggested that needs to go, soon, too. :rolleyes:

[lethal]

Ivana's starting to really impress me. Jen is really pissing me off now.

Man, I'd be furious if someone (Jen) swooped in and took credit for all my ideas and hard work (Ivana) and actually got away with it.

Ivana's in the final 6.

Good for her.

[Faithless]

Andy!

Keeps getting knocked for his youth. Keeps getting by. :rolleyes:

[A.R.A.M.]

Ivana's starting to really impress me. Jen is really pissing me off now.

Man, I'd be furious if someone (Jen) swooped in and took credit for all my ideas and hard work (Ivana) and actually got away with it.

Ivana's in the final 6.

Good for her.

Man, I was pissed when I saw that fembot get all the credit for Ivana's idea.

As for Andy, I loved how he shut down Trump in the boardroom by turning Trump's criticism into a virtue.

[Faithless]

As for Andy, I loved how he shut down Trump in the boardroom by turning Trump's criticism into a virtue.
Yeah, whether he makes it or not on that show, he has shown that you can't necessarily knock him for his lack of a professional career.

[younggiftedandblack]

Man, I was pissed when I saw that fembot get all the credit for Ivana's idea.

As for Andy, I loved how he shut down Trump in the boardroom by turning Trump's criticism into a virtue.

I don't really see it that way. She didn't say she thought of the idea the guy asked her about the development of the wheel and she was able to articulate it well. Granted it she should'vemetioned that Ivana came up with the original idea. Speaking of which I'd be mighty surprise if she (Ivana) somehow made it to the top two. I doubt it seeing that Trump and his sidekicks don't seem to think much of her and that blonde comment she made in front of Carolyn is going to come back and haunt her.

[A.R.A.M.]

I don't really see it that way. She didn't say she thought of the idea the guy asked her about the development of the wheel and she was able to articulate it well. Granted it she should'vemetioned that Ivana came up with the original idea. Speaking of which I'd be mighty surprise if she (Ivana) somehow made it to the top two. I doubt it seeing that Trump and his sidekicks don't seem to think much of her and that blonde comment she made in front of Carolyn is going to come back and haunt her.

True, Jen never said that she came up with the idea. But I think her leaping to explain the idea left an impression on the Levi's people that she had a larger role in its development than she really had. In fact, her speaking first forced Ivana to concede later that it was a collaborative effort, when in fact it was Ivana's idea. Even though Jen had absolutely no role in the development of the idea, her explaining the wheel clearly worked to her advantage because the Levi's people thought she did the best job and said so. But not only that, they said so in front of Trump, so it looks like she was the brains of the outfit. She may not have said that she came up with the idea outright, but she is getting credit for the idea. And that is what irritates me the most--the fact that she is getting credit for something she doesn't deserve. Or maybe the Levi's people thought she did the best job because they liked her ass in those jeans. Damn I loved that episode; so many asses, only one hour minus commercials.

Ivana's comments may indeed come back to haunt her. Carolyn doesn't like people insulting others. But her comments seemed to be not so much categorical judgements of blondes being vapid, but more about Jen using her blonde hair and other assets to mesmerize the men to stay in the game. At least that is the way I saw it.

[younggiftedandblack]

The women of the Apprentice did a photoshoot for Maxim. Click the links to see the pics

Pic 1 (http://www.maximonline.com/girls/the_apprentice_girls/gm_l1.jpg)

Pic 2 (http://www.maximonline.com/girls/the_apprentice_girls/gm_l2.jpg)

Pic 3 (http://www.maximonline.com/girls/the_apprentice_girls/gm_l3.jpg)

Pic 4 (http://www.maximonline.com/girls/the_apprentice_girls/gm_l5.jpg)

[younggiftedandblack]

Andy went out like a sucker.

Next week the teams are selling candy and Ivana drops her skirt to sell candy on the streets of NY :eek:

[applehead]

Next week the teams are selling candy and Ivana drops her skirt to sell candy on the streets of NY :eek:

On the website she says Tammy motivated her to apply for the show so she could portray a more positive image of Asians.

uh huh. a positive image.
prancing around in your underoos in public
to sell candy is definitely a positive image.

these women make me sick.

[A.R.A.M.]

The funny thing about Ivana's decision to strip is that in the beginning of the show, she was deadset against using sex appeal to accomplish tasks. Now she is taking off her skirt to sell candy? Not only that, since they blurred out her ass in the promo, I have to wonder if she was going commando or not. Carolyn looked disgusted when she saw what Ivana was doing. And she should have known that Carolyn frowns on that sort of thing from watching the last season. Either she is really desperate to get into the final four and is willing to compromise her principles to get there, or her near obsession with Jen's boobs, ass, and hair has finally gone to her head.

[truMp]

I think Ivana has seriously went loco, the previews didn't seem like her character. I have a feeling that she's getting kicked next week.

[younggiftedandblack]

I think maybe she's getting outsold and tries to make up for it by dropping her skirt.

Anyway I taped the show lastnight so I saw the preview again and she does have on undergarments. NBC just blurred it out to get people to tune in next week.

[Faithless]

Andy went out like a sucker.

Next week the teams are selling candy and Ivana drops her skirt to sell candy on the streets of NY :eek:
Yeah, sex sells, and all, but, I bet, if people didn't know any better, they might have thought she was a prostitute. :rolleyes:

I can only imagine Trump saying, "Ivana,that took guts. It was stupid. But it took guts."

[hooligan]

What the hell have I been missing?

[applehead]

What the hell have I been missing?

not much ben.
there are like 5 contestants left
on the show. and the prgram
showed clips.
of the next week's episode.

and we saw a clip of ivana taking off her skirt
in public. she was saying something like.
would you buy some if i do this.
or something like that.
i don't remember.
and then the program used a black bubble
to cover her butt.

god forbid. i assume she was wearing underoos
or she wouldn't have done what she did.
maybe she was wearing a thong.
which would warrant the black bubble thingy.
i dun wanna see her bare ass.

[kimpossible]

Next week the teams are selling candy and Ivana drops her skirt to sell candy on the streets of NY :eek:

doesn't sound like it's candy she's selling.