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Faithless
08-15-2004, 01:23 AM
Takeshi KANESHIRO Jin
Andy LAU Leo
ZHANG Ziyi Mei
SONG Dandan Yee
Synopsis from Cannes (http://www.festival-cannes.fr/films/fiche_film.php?langue=6002&id_film=4200080)
The year is 859AD and China's once flourishing Tang Dynasty is in decline. Unrest is raging throughout the land, and the corrupt government is locked in battle with rebel armies that are forming in protest. The largest, and most prestigious of these is the 'House of Flying Daggers', which is growing ever more powerful under a mysterious new leader. Two local captains, Leo and Jin are ordered to capture the new leader and the two hatch an elaborate plan. Captain Jin will pretend to be a lone warrior called Wind and rescue the beautiful, blind revolutionary Mei, from prison, earning her trust and escorting her to the secret headquarters of the House of Flying Daggers. The plan works, but to their surprise, Jin and Mei fall deeply in love on their long journey to the House. Danger lurks in the forest surrounding them, and the wind is still, as if sensing the tension in the air. What lies ahead for Jin and Mei, these star-crossed lovers? If this is true love, then why are there plots in their heads...and secrets in their hearts?
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Star power in the House (http://www.star-ecentral.com/news/story.asp?file=/2004/7/30/movies/8533813&sec=movies)
Zhang Yimou and his superstar cast share their thoughts on House of Flying Daggers. THAM AI MEI runs out of tape recording the praises the acclaimed Chinese director and his actors heap on each other.

THERE is definitely an aura about Zhang Yimou. Of average build and unassuming, the director nevertheless has a way of appearing larger than life. He speaks calmly and thoughtfully, and is prone to using lyrical phrases that are rather hard to comprehend unless one is familiar with Chinese literature.

“The Chinese movie industry isn’t doing too well,” he said in his deep voice and heavy Beijing accent, with a slight frown. “That’s why we have to make more commercial films that are bigger in magnitude and presence in order to boost the industry. I think it’s a good thing as long as you don’t try to fool or short-change your audience,” he continued as if defending his own integrity.

For serious mass appeal, Andy Lau, Takeshi Kaneshiro and Zhang’s muse, Zhang Ziyi, were handpicked for the movie. So do the stars live up to the hype that surrounds them?

“They are really good. I am not just being diplomatic,” Zhang said with a grin. “One only has to watch the movie to know that they indeed worked hard at their respective roles, especially in the action scenes.”

The master filmmaker, known for his sensitive portrayal of characters in his films, has a formula for success. He disclosed: ”I am very aware of the actors’ moods and state of mind in every scene we shoot. I discuss every sequence with them, we have a camaraderie.”

Not one to shy away from erotic films (remember Ju Dou?), Zhang tried to minimise the love scenes in HOFD. He reasoned: ”If you have too many of these scenes the actors will become numb. Also, it had started to snow in Ukraine so the ground had become frozen. Can you imagine the poor actors who have to take off their clothes to roll in the snow?”

If you have been following Zhang’s films, you would notice that his lead characters are mostly women, and very strong-willed ones at that. It is no wonder that Zhang has been labelled a “feministic” director who speaks out on behalf of Asian women. He, however, brushed aside this label: “My voice does not carry so much weight that I can speak on behalf of Chinese women. A film is a film and I like strong characters. It doesn’t matter whether you are man or woman.”

While Hero was nominated for the Best Foreign Language Film in the 2003 Academy Awards, Zhang is not overly concerned about living up to that standard with HOFD.

“However, I would be honoured if I were to win an Oscar,” he admitted with a guffaw. “No matter how you look at it, the American film industry has the commercial draw. I think Chinese directors in general would not hesitate to accept the award should it be given to them. We are not at that level whereby we think any award is beneath us,” he reasoned.

“I am not a genius, because I have made several bad films. But I am China’s most hardworking director. I don’t complain about the difficulties I face because this job is my passion, thus suffering is necessary. I think one should never place too much importance on oneself, it is better to be ordinary,” Zhang mused.

Andy Lau

Looking slightly tired and thinner than I expected, Lau was nevertheless accommodating.


Zhang Yimou: 'I would be honoured if I were to win an Oscar.'
“Even though this is the first time I’m working with director Zhang, I feel like I am working with not just a friend, but an old friend,” he said in Mandarin.

“With other new directors I tend to be more reserved with my opinions, but with Zhang, I can tell him anything. We discuss almost everything and so every step was very clear cut. With that, the work became easy,” said the Asian superstar.

Clearly awed and respectful of Zhang, Lau confessed that he had learnt a lot of important things from the director.

“From him, I learnt how to be calm at all times. There was a scene in which I was supposed to act like I was talking to Ziyi, but it was actually director Zhang whom I was talking to,” he recalled. “I told him to go away because he looked so serious that I broke out laughing every time.”

Lau is uncertain how Zhang feels about his performance.

“He has never really commented on my performance on the set. What we did a lot was think about things like, ‘Why is the mountain in the background?’ or ‘How will a particular prop look onscreen?’ He was very certain about how a particular shoot would turn out,” Lau explained, clearly impressed by Zhang’s genius.

While he is an accomplished wuxia (martial arts) actor himself, Lau was nevertheless concerned about the action scenes.

“I was confident that she was quite good at action scenes,” he said pointing to the picture of Ziyi on a poster. “The one I was worried about was him,” he said with a grin while pointing to Kaneshiro. “We had to fight each other using real swords. What if the whole thing turns out to be a mess? But when I saw him practising and training with swords, I thought to myself that he could probably fight better than me. He spent about two months training with swords and horse-riding. I was very relieved,” Lau confessed.

Being a bona fide superstar, did it irk him to play a supporting role?

“I felt that it was a good start to working with director Zhang. As long as you prove yourself useful in a film, there will always be further opportunities.”

Takeshi Kaneshiro

All the journalists were fidgety before the interview with Kaneshiro. For one, he is reputed to be rather difficult and prone to mood swings. For another, he is one of the most elusive and good-looking actors in the Asian movie industry. Imagine our surprise when we walked into the room where he was seated to see a smiling Kaneshiro, all ready to be ogled at and verbally prodded.

Deeply tanned and oozing charm, Kaneshiro good-naturedly confided: ”I was very apprehensive that HOFD was a Chinese period movie. I wasn’t sure I could pull it off because it was my first period film. I had to ask many questions, and director Zhang was encouraging and supportive.”

He continued in fluent Mandarin: “To me, the thought of working with such a talented director was a challenge in itself, as well as the script and storyline. I don’t really know how was my performance, you would have to ask the director yourself.”

Having worked with elite directors like Wong Kar Wai, Johnnie To and now Zhang, Kaneshiro is thankful for the opportunities. He admitted that his passion for acting has been heavily influenced by the three maestros.

“The impact that Kar Wai had on me was astonishing. When working with him I developed a great love for acting. There is a lot of artistic freedom with him because that is the way he directs.

“I find To very progressive. He is always trying out new things and comes across as being more than a director.

“Director Zhang is really amazing in the way he handles an army of crew and actors. The result is always extraordinary,” enthused the actor.

Kaneshiro’s scores of female fans may just swoon at his following statement.

“In the movie, I fall in love with the last person I should fall in love with. If this happened in real life, it is quite likely I will do as my character does in the movie – sacrifice everything in order to be with my true love. However, I still haven’t found anyone who would make me want to do that.”

The Japanese-Taiwanese star comes across as being very much like his character (Jin/Wind) in HOFD. Apparently, he doesn’t like planning his life too much.

He said breezily: “In this industry, it is not really up to me whether I would want to continue to further my career as it’s beyond my control. To me, everything is about fate and timing. I did not think that I have to work with Zhang Yimou when I hit 30. When I am given the chance, I will pursue it. Sometimes you cannot force things to happen.”

Zhang Ziyi

“I think Zhang Yimou is getting younger with each movie,” declared the fresh-faced Chinese beauty who plays the lead female role in HOFD.

“He is becoming increasingly spirited and I think most people would agree that they feel this amazing liveliness in him,” enthused Ziyi in her soft, pleasingly girly voice. Her hands gestured frequently and gracefully, hinting at her background as a trained dancer and gymnast. (Ziyi joined a secondary school affiliated with the prestigious Beijing College of Dance at age 11).

In the movie, Ziyi plays a blind girl and thus there were tonnes of homework and research to be done when preparing for her role. In fact, she stayed with a blind girl for two months prior to filming.

“There is a scene in which I chanced upon a sea of blooming flowers, so I brought this blind girl to a park. I wanted to see her reaction when she reached the bed of flowers,” she explained.

For her, playing the blind heroine in the film opened up a totally new world. She described: “I think when you’re blind, you will find that you are more aware of your senses and surroundings. Your world becomes more enclosed and even time seems to slow down a bit. For a blind person, he has to feel the air and listen to his surroundings before moving a step.

“I found myself focussing more on my inner-self, and I was able to experience and describe certain emotions more profoundly.”

No stranger to working with superstar actors, Ziyi has this to say about her two gorgeous co-stars: “I actually have an autographed picture of Andy Lau! I think a friend gave it to me when I was younger. To me, Andy has always been a superstar.

“The thing about working with great actors, as I found out while working with Tony Leung (Chiu Wai) in 2046, is that you find yourself getting unexpected results. It is the same with Andy.

“With Takeshi, he came across as very serious but yet humorous. I didn’t dare get too close to him because he has a lot of female fans.”

With Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, the young actress had a difficult time with the action scenes.

She recalled: “At that time, I went home crying every day because I didn’t know what to expect the next day. I gritted my teeth and made sure I played my character well in order not to disappoint Ang Lee (the director).

“This time, the difficulties I faced were totally different because the mental state I was in at that time was different.”

Every year, Ziyi only works on two or three films at the most.

“It is because I feel exhausted after filming every time. I cry, laugh and maybe even die with my characters. That is why each film is very dear to me. I have very high hopes for my films because of the sweat, blood and tears that I have invested in them,” declared Ziyi.

deez nuts
11-25-2004, 04:37 PM
saw it today on video.

it was overrated just like hero.

mr. x
11-25-2004, 11:22 PM
well good fight scenes but the ending left me going "thats it?!?"

Kennyb
11-26-2004, 06:32 AM
I wouldn't say Hero is overrated because people do not know what it's actual purpose. If you read the comic version which is the original, then you would understand.

House of flying daggers though is definately overrated though. Originally Anita Mui was part of the cast but because she died during production (I think), they had to rewrite the script and re-do the casting - hence Zhang ZiYi weak solo performance.

deez nuts
11-26-2004, 08:04 AM
I wouldn't say Hero is overrated because people do not know what it's actual purpose. If you read the comic version which is the original, then you would understand.



i know the folklore and all that jazz behind hero. hero the movie directed by zhang yimou is overrated. then again i think zhang yimou is overrated in general.

house of the flying daggers is utter crap. all i gotta say is how many times does zi yi escape attempted rapes, how many times do you have to kill a character to truly kill him/her, andy take the fucking knife out of your back and i never knew the transition between autumn to a winter snow can span in the time of a sword fight scene.

younggiftedandblack
11-26-2004, 09:40 AM
i know the folklore and all that jazz behind hero. hero the movie directed by zhang yimou is overrated. then again i think zhang yimou is overrated in general.

house of the flying daggers is utter crap. all i gotta say is how many times does zi yi escape attempted rapes, how many times do you have to kill a character to truly kill him/her, andy take the fucking knife out of your back and i never knew the transition between autumn to a winter snow can span in the time of a sword fight scene.
ZiYi escapes death and rape in almost all her movies. LOL!!

I still haven't seen this or Hero for that matter, but Hero does look beautiful.

applehead
11-26-2004, 09:55 AM
ZiYi escapes death and rape in almost all her movies. LOL!!

I still haven't seen this or Hero for that matter, but Hero does look beautiful.

HEH. she'd be perfect in a john woo flick then!

Irezumi Kiss
11-26-2004, 12:42 PM
This joint was alright to look at but the love scenes shoulda been more erotic. Carefully shielded backsides and breasts are such a cop-out and since everyone is so good-looking, I want my money's worth! The original title was "Lovers," right?

I got it in C-town on VCD a while back, but maybe it has a different impact when you see it on the big screen.

mr. x
11-26-2004, 06:46 PM
no seriously what IS UP with the ending? i mean i can deal with the magical realism snow thing i mean wushu flicks people fly for chrissakes but it ended like a friggin korean music video

golden_buns
11-26-2004, 08:48 PM
That's the worst movie I've ever seen in ages. At the end I was hoping that particular character would die for good so that I could get up and leave.

I think this movie was filmed in Winsconsin, cuz there's cheese all over it.

SunWuKong
11-26-2004, 09:39 PM
i never really liked Zhang Ziyi, but she was pretty good in The Road Home, so i was hoping that she'd be good again in this film because it was also directed by Zhang Yimou. although some people are saying that Zhang Yimou is selling out. in all her other films, Zhang Ziyi is only good in having an angry expression on her face. she plays an excellent angry woman, but that's about it. she's way overrated. but i've heard that she was good in 2046. i've pre-ordered the DVD. if anybody can make a bad actress act well, it would be Wong Kar Wai. i love Faye Wong, but she's an absolutely horrid actress. yet she was pretty good in ChungKing Express. even won some awards for it.

YuheiCarreau
11-27-2004, 10:31 AM
I liked the action scenes. And the production design. Can't say I loved or hated the plot; it's an action movie, fer chrissake!

Irezumi Kiss
11-27-2004, 11:22 AM
i never really liked Zhang Ziyi, but she was pretty good in The Road Home, so i was hoping that she'd be good again in this film because it was also directed by Zhang Yimou. although some people are saying that Zhang Yimou is selling out. in all her other films, Zhang Ziyi is only good in having an angry expression on her face. she plays an excellent angry woman, but that's about it. she's way overrated. but i've heard that she was good in 2046. i've pre-ordered the DVD. if anybody can make a bad actress act well, it would be Wong Kar Wai. i love Faye Wong, but she's an absolutely horrid actress. yet she was pretty good in ChungKing Express. even won some awards for it.
Have you checked out that "Purple Butterfly" joint she's in that just came out over stateside this past Friday? I might peep that if I can't find it on disc in C-Town. I think she mean muggs her way thru the whole movie! What is it with the whole "angry pretty woman" thing going around anyway?

The makeup job in this joint was very beautiful, though. She has a good face for these sort of period pieces. The only other person I think who could give her a run in the cuteness department would be Cecilia Cheung.

hooligan
11-27-2004, 11:40 AM
I liked it.

AngryABCGirl
11-27-2004, 12:08 PM
I was so disappointed at this movie. Damn. At least I got to see a little Kaneshiro booty.

SunWuKong
11-28-2004, 02:28 PM
The only other person I think who could give her a run in the cuteness department would be Cecilia Cheung.

she was a lot cuter when she first became famous. now she just looks anorexic.

a friend of a friend said that she used to go to this one club that he parties at, and she would drop some E, get really crazy, and her bodyguards would drag her out. :tongue:

Napoleon Chynamite
11-29-2004, 08:57 PM
As I had posted in some other thread regarding this movie, House of Flying Daggers is incredibly overrated and arguably has even less substance than Crouching Tiger or Hero, which weren't any good either (in my opinion but that goes without saying ^_^). And again, you could easily swap the roles that Zhang Ziyi signed up for among the three films and personally I wouldn't notice any difference

On a side note, I also found it amusing how she played a blind girl (at first, but that's kinda supposed to be a secret) with the ability to kick major booty and race through mazes of trees and dense forest without running into anything or tripping over logs, but then she had to struggle to walk her way out of an open campsite, ultimately requiring assistance from her male savior after making the transformation from ass-kicking psycho bitch to damsel-in-distress. ^^

Irezumi Kiss
12-02-2004, 12:39 PM
All the press has been salivating over this movie...it's making me wanna re-watch it just to see if I missed something!

mr. x
12-03-2004, 01:17 AM
All the press has been salivating over this movie...it's making me wanna re-watch it just to see if I missed something!
decent fights scenes, but the only thing you missed was a REAL friggin ending

moser
12-03-2004, 03:49 PM
Funny how all the reviews were gushing on how beautiful/wonderful/etc. Zhang ZiYi was, but maybe one reviewer (from Salon) mentioned anything on the hotness of the male actors.

loserbutt
12-05-2004, 11:14 AM
Funny how all the reviews were gushing on how beautiful/wonderful/etc. Zhang ZiYi was, but maybe one reviewer (from Salon) mentioned anything on the hotness of the male actors.

uh, well, I personally don't find male actors to be umm, *hot*

but Zhang Ziyi, HOLY SMOKES she's a hottie :)

Tao
12-05-2004, 12:16 PM
uh, well, I personally don't find male actors to be umm, *hot*

but Zhang Ziyi, HOLY SMOKES she's a hottie :)

well that japanese dude was pretty good looking...even by western standards

kimpossible
12-05-2004, 12:41 PM
well that japanese dude was pretty good looking...even by western standards

Kaneshiro Takeshi? He's half-Japanese half-Taiwanese. And he's panty-melting hot by any standard.

http://thm-c.search.vip.scd.yahoo.com/image/996106683

http://mundopeter.iespana.es/mundopeter/tk5.jpg

edit: okay, must stop staring at these and go work out.

Irezumi Kiss
12-05-2004, 12:56 PM
Kaneshiro Takeshi? He's half-Japanese half-Taiwanese. And he's panty-melting hot by any standard.
Yeah...homie's got it goin' on...I can't hate on him. shit, if I had HIS grill...whoooo boy...

loserbutt
12-05-2004, 01:04 PM
well, ok. I do find Tony Leung to be an interesting actor. And you know, he doesn't really do much in the 2 films I've seen him in... but his eyes make him look like the saddest person in the world :( which is what makes him so interesting.

Irezumi Kiss
12-05-2004, 01:27 PM
well, ok. I do find Tony Leung to be an interesting actor. And you know, he doesn't really do much in the 2 films I've seen him in... but his eyes make him look like the saddest person in the world :( which is what makes him so interesting.
Tony Leung Chiu-Wai or Tony Leung Ka-Fai?

http://www.hkdvdheaven.co.uk/TonyLeungChiuWai.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Garden/3003/tony5a.jpg

asvenus
12-05-2004, 01:30 PM
Yeah...homie's got it goin' on...I can't hate on him. shit, if I had HIS grill...whoooo boy...

a Black Kaneshiro..hot DAMN boy dont tease a girl :biggrin:

loserbutt
12-05-2004, 03:14 PM
Tony Leung Chiu-Wai or Tony Leung Ka-Fai?

http://www.hkdvdheaven.co.uk/TonyLeungChiuWai.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Garden/3003/tony5a.jpg


er, the guy on the top :confused:

Tao
12-05-2004, 09:37 PM
just saw it, it was pretty decent in my opinion. the plot could've been less corny and more exciting, but overall i liked it.

Pookie_gal
12-06-2004, 08:51 AM
I liked it too. Prefer it to Hero, which I thought was hugely overrated, and CTHD. Yea, plot is weak but I liked the romantic twist, and 2 great actors in Andy Lau and Takeshi *drool* :grin:

Thought the special effects were more subtle too, than CTHD...but was disappointed in the plot, which started off as being promising, but just ended in a farcical Kill Bill type end.

SunWuKong
12-06-2004, 09:53 AM
Kaneshiro Takeshi? He's half-Japanese half-Taiwanese. And he's panty-melting hot by any standard.

yeah but he plays a lot of wimpy characters. :biggrin:

well, ok. I do find Tony Leung to be an interesting actor. And you know, he doesn't really do much in the 2 films I've seen him in... but his eyes make him look like the saddest person in the world :( which is what makes him so interesting.

funny you should mention that, because actresses that have worked with him have mentioned he has a great stare/great eyes.

deez nuts
12-06-2004, 11:20 AM
i hear takeshi is a temperamental and sensitive guy.

as i was watching this movie it hit me that andy lau gets more and more disgusting with each movie he's in. he just looks preserved.

a Black Kaneshiro..hot DAMN boy dont tease a girl :biggrin:


why is it gotta be a black kaneshiro?

the original not good enough for you?

kimpossible
12-06-2004, 11:48 AM
yeah but he plays a lot of wimpy characters. i hear takeshi is a temperamental and sensitive guy. You say that as if it makes an iota of difference to me.



less hate on my fantasy guy and i'll leave you alone about angelina jolie

deez nuts
12-06-2004, 11:58 AM
You say that as if it makes an iota of difference to me.



less hate on my fantasy guy and i'll leave you alone about angelina jolie

orlando bloom or kaneshiro takeshi?

kimpossible
12-06-2004, 12:07 PM
you can pick on orlando.

Tao
12-06-2004, 04:08 PM
as i was watching this movie it hit me that andy lau gets more and more disgusting with each movie he's in. he just looks preserved.


hhahaha, he does look preserved! how old is he anyways...isn't he like getting to be around 40 or something? they need to start bringing out edison chen for some of these leading man roles now, lau's like sean connery.

Irezumi Kiss
12-06-2004, 04:35 PM
hhahaha, he does look preserved! how old is he anyways...isn't he like getting to be around 40 or something? they need to start bringing out edison chen for some of these leading man roles now, lau's like sean connery.
http://www.asiamaya.com/celeb_mandarin/foto_celeb/andy_lau.gif

"Don't be hatin'!" :tongue:

SunWuKong
12-07-2004, 09:19 AM
hhahaha, he does look preserved! how old is he anyways...isn't he like getting to be around 40 or something? they need to start bringing out edison chen for some of these leading man roles now, lau's like sean connery.

Edison Chen will never get out of the "pretty boy" role. plus his acting sucks and you can tell he's got an accent when he speaks in Cantonese.

Tao
12-07-2004, 12:19 PM
Edison Chen will never get out of the "pretty boy" role. plus his acting sucks and you can tell he's got an accent when he speaks in Cantonese.

well andy lau isn't exactly relying on his acting ability alone. granted his acting is better than edison's, but he's got all those years of experience. and i wouldn't know about his accented cantonese, cause i don't even understand it.

yoMAMA
12-07-2004, 12:31 PM
yeah but he plays a lot of wimpy characters. :biggrin:



funny you should mention that, because actresses that have worked with him have mentioned he has a great stare/great eyes.

I think he was the coverboy for some video game.......鬼舞者



as i was watching this movie it hit me that andy lau gets more and more disgusting with each movie he's in. he just looks preserved.




he was awesome in infernal affairs.

SunWuKong
12-07-2004, 12:35 PM
well andy lau isn't exactly relying on his acting ability alone. granted his acting is better than edison's, but he's got all those years of experience. and i wouldn't know about his accented cantonese, cause i don't even understand it.

Andy Lau is a great actor, actually. i recommend watching Fulltime Killer and A Fighter's Blues (aka Ah Fu). but you're right, it's probably because of the experience. he wasn't as good back in his TVB days.

yoMAMA
12-07-2004, 01:01 PM
here's a review in new yorker......

http://newyorker.com/critics/cinema/?041213crci_cinema

LOL i love this sentence

"The answer is not Chinatown but China, in 859 A.D. At a time when Western civilization couldn’t decide whether mud was a foodstuff, China was only one step short of the buddy flick."

Irezumi Kiss
12-07-2004, 04:43 PM
I think he was the coverboy for some video game.......???
Onimusha. Heard it was pretty dope.

http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/artgallery/onimusha/art01.jpg

i recommend watching Fulltime Killer and A Fighter's Blues
Got Fulltime Killer and it was smooth. I love gritty gun shit like that. I kept passing up on Fighter's Blues but it caught my eye cuz of Takiko Tokiwa. I'll pick it up now, though.

Faithless
12-11-2004, 09:52 AM
saw it today on video.

it was overrated just like hero.
That's what this reviewer says:

From 'Hero' to zero in Zhang Yimou's films (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-12/03/content_397077.htm)
Agencies)
Updated: 2004-12-03 10:40

Zhang Yimou's earlier martial arts epic is an all-time great, but 'Daggers' is a laughably pompous action-melodrama.

How the same talented director (Zhang Yimou of "The Road Home" and "Raise the Red Lantern"), working with the same talented actress (lovely Zhang Ziyi of "The Road Home" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon") could turn out one of the year's best movies and one its worst -- in the same genre no less -- is a complete mystery. But that's exactly what has happened with a pair of handsomely grandiose martial arts films set in ancient China.

Last summer's "Hero," starring Jet Li as an assassin locked in unblinking intellectual combat with the king he's come to kill, is an imaginatively allegorical, action-packed but understated, brilliant historical epic (in which Zhang Ziyi plays another assassin's apprentice). Pure in vision and bold in execution, it uses real events as a momentous backdrop for jaw-dropping scenes of graceful, physics-defying swordfights, each of which has an increasingly profound consequence on the future of the whole Chinese nation.

But "House of Flying Daggers" the polar opposite: an outsized and endlessly pretentious romantic melodrama, also about assassins, in which the director has clearly lost any sense of moderation or self-discipline. Every overly polished moment of visual refinement is dragged out to the point of absurdity. Every hint of emotion becomes an excuse for floodgate histrionics. Each swordfight (or combat of any kind) slowly, slowly, s-l-o-w-l-y builds past an initial stage of breathtaking stylishness into a protracted mockery of itself. It's the snooty, art-house equivalent of a Jerry Bruckheimer action movie.

One three-way blades-a-blazing battle literally lasts through several whole seasons -- metaphorically, perhaps, but it feels even longer than it looks, with the combatants literally dying several times, then getting back up to fight some more, giving the distinct impression that the movie may never end.

Set during the decline of the Tang dynasty, the film stars Zhang Ziyi as Mei, a member of the titular secret sect of matriarchal revolutionaries that robs from the rich and corrupt to help the poor and fund their political cause. An almost supernaturally skilled fighter whose apparent blindness seems to only enhance her martial artistry, Mei works as a dancer of incredible precision at a magnificently ornate prostitution pavilion, where she comes under the scrutiny of the local law and is arrested after one of the movie's many tremendous-cum-tedious showdowns.

Helped to escape by Jin (Tom-Cruise-like Takeshi Taneshiro), a handsome police captain posing as an mercenary in the hopes she'll lead him to the Flying Daggers hideaway, the two instead fall in love over the course of several more fights -- which are staged by Jin's comrades to help him earn the girl's trust, but turn far more deadly because Mei has been sorely underestimated.

Even before the plot becomes laughably convoluted with double-agents, shifting loyalties and a love triangle, "Flying Daggers" is ridiculously self-serious for a movie in which the actors (and orchestra) are playing to the cheap seats with such syrupy, tearful romance (and violins) that the supposedly macho hero comes off as a namby-pamby when he puts down his sword.

Although "Flying Daggers" has its plusses -- beautiful photography, spectacularly vibrant sets, brief moments of eye-popping inventiveness in each flamboyantly laborious fight scene -- with its silly plot (that makes even less sense in retrospect) the picture would have been better, and far more honest, as a straight action movie, devoid all the misplaced artistic aspiration.

Its best asset is, in fact, Mei's gimmicky blindness, which accounts for much of the choreographic creativity as well as the film's few authentic character moments. As she "sees" Jin for the first time after her rescue from prison, she doesn't feel his face until after exploring his hands and legs, to ascertain his character and aptitude as a fellow warrior.

Zhang Yimou's tireless devotion to "House of Flying Daggers" is readily apparent in its visual grandeur, if nothing else. But the same can certainly be said of the boldly stark yet richly colorful "Hero" (released two years ago in the rest of the world), which -- unlike this pompous, over-staged bore -- is arguably one of the most elegant and exhilarating martial arts films of all time.

Irezumi Kiss
12-11-2004, 01:02 PM
Here's an interesting take on it...linking the movie with Black American tastes...

V Reviews: 'House of Flying Daggers'
By Armond White, Special to AOL BlackVoices

'House of Flying Daggers' marks the commercial summit of Hong Kong action flicks crossing over into America, but it also says a lot about the influence of black popular culture on world cinema.
Like the robust yet elegant dancing in last spring’s 'Honey' and 'You Got Served,' 'House of Flying Daggers' uses martial arts choreography to show off the characters' culture and their emotions. This connection between hip-hop culture and Chinese martial arts is not accidental. It's a miracle of cultural synergy that explains why Hong Kong action movies are so popular in black urban communities.
Zhang Yimou, director of 'Flying Daggers,' also directed Hong Kong star Jet Li's worldwide hit 'Hero' (which was widely seen throughout black America via bootleg DVDs before Quentin Tarantino encouraged Miramax to officially release the movie stateside). Zhang previously directed art-house films but took on the martial arts genre as a way of communicating with the mass idea of entertainment, consequently aiming for the genre’s Western base in black moviegoers.

‘Flying Daggers’ emphasizes the similarity of martial arts fighting to dance that made ‘Hero’ the most poetic of all historical epics. Zhang turns the esthetics of fighting into visual and rhythmic pleasure that really communicates. This new film is a dance-musical of competition and ego. Zhang Ziyi portrays Mei, the ingénue in a band of rebels (the Flying Daggers) opposing the repressive regime. To infiltrate the royal stronghold, Mei disguises herself as a blind dancer, hoping to subdue the decadent lord Jin (Takeshi Kaneshiro). She escapes and is chased by Jin and another soldier, Leo (Andy Lau), who both become rebels when they are entranced by her beauty.
Zhang replays the themes of patriotism and personal commitment found in ‘Hero’ based on the men’s visual appreciation of Mei (“No state is more cherished than a beauty like this.”). But even though ‘Flying Daggers’ is bigger and costlier, the political ideas in this film are less focused than ‘Hero.’ In fact, they are reduced to decorative visual clichés: Mei’s Echo Dance with pink sashes amidst a circle of vertical drums; and a fight in a grove where the angle of swords matches a shower of bamboo stalks. It’s all spectacular but not as emotionally expressive as ‘Hero’ and ‘You Got Served.’ This disappointment recalls the typical Hollywood failure of too much money spent to follow a formula instead of trusting inspiration.
A little background to this phenomenon is in order: ‘Hero’ had made so much money in China that Zhang was given a larger budget to expand the fight choreography that made it special and extend its storyline. Even though both ‘Hero’ and ‘ Flying Daggers’ represent home-grown creativity for Zhang, much of the films’ cultural importance comes from the impact that the chop-socky genre has had around the world, especially in the lucrative American market.
Martial arts movies from China first became a part of African-American culture in the ’70s with Bruce Lee’s ‘The Chinese Connection’ and ‘Enter the Dragon.’ This Asian crossover was the next step following the import of Japanese transistor radios and sneakers made in Hong Kong. It also coincided with the Blaxploitation movement when young black filmgoers sought out their taste for action, excitement and vengeful, thrilling fight scenes. Like it or not, while Hong Kong movies supplied thrills they also appealed to the implicit racism in Blaxploitation: non-white heroes performed in stories of revenge against oppression. Bruce Lee gave way to Jim Kelly just as the insular mythology of later Hong Kong films gave way to the Wu Tang Clan. Ethnic identification became a genuine part of the contemporary black movie culture when new-generation black filmmakers like Spike Lee only gave shout-outs to Asian directors like Japan’s Akira Kurosawa or Warrington Hudlin gave props to Hong Kong’s King Hu. Foreign language films no longer seemed foreign. Black moviegoers began to look to martial arts movies as a form of exotic wish fulfillment.
For that reason the inability of ‘Flying Daggers’ to connect visceral excitement to social feeling fails to live up to the promise of ‘Hero.’ A rescue scene where four arrows simultaneously save a blind girl from dishonor in a forest is an engineering feat, but not mythic and memorable as the forest death scene in Bertolucci’s ‘The Conformist.’ A chase through a field of wildflowers doesn’t equal the lovers in a field of wheat in Murnau’s ‘City Girl.’ Finally, Mei’s resurrection in a snowbank repeats the visual conceit until it becomes silly. In ‘Hero’ Zhang seemed to understand why audiences connect with genre as well as Charles Stone did in revitalizing the sports film in 'Mr. 3000.' But in 'Flying Daggers,' Zhang gives in to wowing the audience rather than enlightening it.

Break It Down: Fans of 'Hero' are better off renting the DVD

etcj
12-12-2004, 08:58 PM
I was so disappointed at this movie. Damn. At least I got to see a little Kaneshiro booty.Heh, I was hoping for some more...all you get is some armpit shot...not even any Kaneshiro nipples. Oh well, at least we know hairy armpits wouldn't be an anachronism. :biggrin:

Anyways, I bought the DVD from NYC Chinatown for $13, which is probably cheaper than going out with someone to see it in the theaters. It would have been more comfortable to listen to it in Cantonese than Mandarin, especially since I'm used to seeing Andy Lau on-screen.

For $13, I think I got my bang for my bucks. Even though the make-out scenes seem a bit anti-septic for my taste, seeing Takeshi Kaneshiro with those kooky sideburns was fun. It would be cool if an American DVD version came out with better extras and bonuses, since my Chinese DVD had squat.

kpih
12-18-2004, 11:11 PM
Here in HK and China the press hates it. The press in the west are astonished. How interesting.

I just saw it couple days ago. I think it is an exercise of 'style over substance'. He tries really, really, and way too hard to be visually interesting. Way too much.

What's with the CGI? Coming straight out of Matrix...

One thing I always like about martial arts movie is the hero. There is an enormous dignity with the traditional hero. Think Crouching Tiger, Once Upon a Time in China, or even Hero, there is always a figure that embodies the whole concept of a traditional Chinese hero.

'For the good of many', or 'chosing the righteous path', themes like those define the notion of Chinese heroicism. This one I do not see any of that...

There is very little discourse in the plot. I would say it is predictable, thin and quite uninteresting.

What a shame.

SunWuKong
12-19-2004, 09:46 AM
i just saw it. it was ok. definitely not one of Zhang Yimou's better movies. and Takeshi Kaneshiro just isn't very convincing as a kungfu fighter.

asvenus
12-19-2004, 10:11 AM
its getting excellent reviews in the UK but we have heard that most Asian countries have slated it...i have to wait till 26th to see it...even though im not expecting much after reading all this i will still go and see it for the cinematography (oh alright for Takeshi!!) anyway...

Shuriken
12-20-2004, 02:47 PM
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Well, I finally got around to seeing House of Flying Daggers yesterday. It was the first time I had been to the movies since getting back to L.A. more than three months ago, and I'm used to going at least once a week. I'm tempted to go into a rant about how I had to pay $11 for a ticket and then sit through nine minutes of commercials that had nothing to do with movies, but I won't.

I'll just say that watching House of Flying Daggers was loads of fun. The story was uneven and didn't hold that well together, plus a twist in the narrative seemed to crop up every five minutes, which seemed very contrived to me. Also, the manipulations involving artifices like the weather blatantly called attention to the constructedness of the story and prevented me from immersing myself in it. But it was such fun to take in the wonderful colors and shot compositions. I liked House of Flying Daggers much better than Zhang Yimou's other martial-arts movie, Hero.

It was also finally driven home to me what a beautiful woman Zhang Ziyi is. Being able to stare at her face on the big screen was an absolutely rapturous experience. Maybe I realized this at so late a date because Zhang at last gets to play a fully adult leading lady without having to share the screen with the likes of Michelle Yeoh or Maggie Cheung; she didn't come across as an immature girl.

Well, that's all I really have to say about House of Flying Daggers. Except that I can't wait to see it again.

deez nuts
12-20-2004, 05:04 PM
Here in HK and China the press hates it. The press in the west are astonished. How interesting.



the american press would like anything that comes out of china out this point. china can put out a chinese version of a pauly shore movie and the american critics will like it. it's a good time to make a buck if your a chinese movie production company cuz the gwai-lo's will eat anything up at this point.

kimpossible
12-20-2004, 05:51 PM
the american press would like anything that comes out of china out this point.

and will invariably mention Crouching Tiger in every friggin review

Irezumi Kiss
12-20-2004, 06:06 PM
Well, actually now that I think about it...there was a period-piece movie in between Hero and Flying Daggers from China that came and went in the theaters here like a boat made of cement on the Hudson. I can't even find that "Purple Butterfly" movie with Ziyi playing anymore and that came out after Daggers to milk as much as possible from Ziyi's China It Girl cachet.

kimpossible
12-20-2004, 06:36 PM
'House of Flying Daggers' marks the commercial summit of Hong Kong action flicks crossing over into America, but it also says a lot about the influence of black popular culture on world cinema.
Like the robust yet elegant dancing in last spring’s 'Honey' and 'You Got Served,' 'House of Flying Daggers' uses martial arts choreography to show off the characters' culture and their emotions. This connection between hip-hop culture and Chinese martial arts is not accidental.

in modern action movies that involve martial arts in an urban (as in a big city) setting, i'm more inclined to agree with mr. white about crossover influence. but not in martial arts films with more traditional themes. i don't see how HoFD is influenced by Honey. i think he's reaching a bit with that theory.

Deadpool
12-20-2004, 07:32 PM
OMG Takeshi Kaneshiro is so hawt!

SunWuKong
12-20-2004, 09:34 PM
in modern action movies that involve martial arts in an urban (as in a big city) setting, i'm more inclined to agree with mr. white about crossover influence. but not in martial arts films with more traditional themes. i don't see how HoFD is influenced by Honey. i think he's reaching a bit with that theory.

hehheh i can't even believe You Got Served actually has enough credibility to even be mentioned. i mean the dancing was incredible, but that was basically it. it was like a very long dance video or something. if you're talking about some Jet Li or Donnie Yen movie like the Wong Fai Hung or Fong Sai Yuk series, then i can understand. those movies have no substance or visuals either. but if you're talking about Zhang Yimou movies, well those are a lot more than choreography even if they're kungfu movies. i didn't think too much of the story in House of the Flying Daggers, but it's still got some classic Zhang Yimou-style cinematography.

Napoleon Chynamite
12-23-2004, 11:28 PM
Being able to stare at her face on the big screen was an absolutely rapturous experience. Maybe I realized this at so late a date because Zhang at last gets to play a fully adult leading lady without having to share the screen with the likes of Michelle Yeoh or Maggie Cheung; she didn't come across as an immature girl.

Whata whata?? You mean you actually noticed a difference in the role she played between Crouching Tiger and Hero and this one? Maybe it's just because I don't know anything about professional film critiquing.

yoMAMA
01-03-2005, 04:30 PM
I just finished watching it in theater......

what can I say, it was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the american press would like anything that comes out of china out this point. china can put out a chinese version of a pauly shore movie and the american critics will like it. it's a good time to make a buck if your a chinese movie production company cuz the gwai-lo's will eat anything up at this point.

only if Zhang Ziyi or Gongli is in it...... :tongue:

Kennyb
01-03-2005, 07:03 PM
Only reason why Western audiences are praising it is because they never seen these kind of movies before... I still like Hero more than this..... Man doesn't Andy Lau looks over-worked in this movie. So thin on the cheek bones. Have to agree though with Fulltime Killer, he did a good job with that!! *thumbs up*

s1eve
01-07-2005, 08:25 PM
Just saw it. Absolutely loved it!

DragonKnight
01-07-2005, 09:02 PM
Saw it during my Christmas vacation with a friend. Wasn't too bad. My friend liked it till the end. She wasn't too happy with it.

mr. x
01-07-2005, 10:31 PM
Saw it during my Christmas vacation with a friend. Wasn't too bad. My friend liked it till the end. She wasn't too happy with it.
thats cuz it wasnt a real ending. they had all that buildup and it went nowhere, least they coulda done was
show the House's last stand with the govt troops, i mean its like a porno cutting away just 'fore they do the nasty

Faithless
04-24-2005, 11:20 AM
I liked it. Saw it on DVD. Didn't believe one aspect of what the director was saying though -- this true love at all costs theme.

If I knew the love was true from the outset between the two, yeah, probably worth dying for.

But if you're pursuing it with some doubt. I just don't know.

As far as the ending goes:

Leo did not deserve to die.