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Chester
07-29-2004, 12:13 PM
Holy smokes, was his speech electrifying. Made me want to jump up and down and high-five people...

His summation:
America, tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel the same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you feel the same hopefulness that I do, if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry will be sworn in as president. And John Edwards will be sworn in as vice president. And this country will reclaim it's promise. And out of this long political darkness a brighter day will come.
God, it's been such a long time since we had a President or Presidential candidate who could get up on a podium and inspire...

Full text here...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19751-2004Jul27.html



Candidate for U.S. Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama, delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in Boston Tuesday night. Here is a transcript of his remarks.

OBAMA: Thank you so much. Thank you.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Dick Durbin. You make us all proud.

On behalf of the great state of Illinois...

(APPLAUSE)

... crossroads of a nation, land of Lincoln, let me express my deep gratitude for the privilege of addressing this convention. Tonight is a particular honor for me because, let's face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely.

My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin- roof shack. His father, my grandfather, was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

OBAMA: But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place, America, that's shown as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before him.

(APPLAUSE)

While studying here my father met my mother. She was born in a town on the other side of the world, in Kansas.

(APPLAUSE)

Her father worked on oil rigs and farms through most of the Depression. The day after Pearl Harbor, my grandfather signed up for duty, joined Patton's army, marched across Europe. Back home my grandmother raised a baby and went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they studied on the GI Bill, bought a house through FHA and later moved west, all the way to Hawaii, in search of opportunity.

(APPLAUSE)

And they too had big dreams for their daughter, a common dream born of two continents.

OBAMA: My parents shared not only an improbable love; they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or "blessed," believing that in a tolerant America, your name is no barrier to success.

(APPLAUSE)

They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though they weren't rich, because in a generous America you don't have to be rich to achieve your potential.

(APPLAUSE)

They're both passed away now. And yet I know that, on this night, they look down on me with great pride.

And I stand here today grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents' dreams live on in my two precious daughters.

I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy; our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...

(APPLAUSE)

... that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

That is the true genius of America, a faith...

(APPLAUSE)

... a faith in simple dreams, an insistence on small miracles; that we can tuck in our children at night and know that they are fed and clothed and safe from harm; that we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door; that we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe; that we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution; and that our votes will be counted -- or at least, most of the time.

(APPLAUSE)

This year, in this election, we are called to reaffirm our values and our commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we are measuring up, to the legacy of our forbearers and the promise of future generations.

OBAMA: And fellow Americans, Democrats, Republicans, independents, I say to you, tonight, we have more work to do...

(APPLAUSE)

... more work to do, for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that's moving to Mexico, and now they're having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay 7 bucks an hour; more to do for the father I met who was losing his job and chocking back the tears wondering how he would pay $4,500 a months for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits that he counted on; more to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her who have the grades, have the drive, have the will, but doesn't have the money to go to college.

Now, don't get me wrong, the people I meet in small towns and big cities and diners and office parks, they don't expect government to solves all of their problems. They know they have to work hard to get a head. And they want to.

Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you: They don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or by the Pentagon.

(APPLAUSE)

Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn.

OBAMA: They know that parents have to teach, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. They know those things.

(APPLAUSE)

People don't expect -- people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a slight change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice.

In this election, we offer that choice. Our party has chosen a man to lead us who embodies the best this country has to offer. And that man is John Kerry.

(APPLAUSE)

John Kerry understands the ideals of community, faith and service because they've defined his life. From his heroic service to Vietnam to his years as prosecutor and lieutenant governor, through two decades in the United States Senate, he has devoted himself to this country. Again and again, we've seen him make tough choices when easier ones were available. His values and his record affirm what is best in us.

John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded. So instead of offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he offers them to companies creating jobs here at home.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: John Kerry believes in an America where all Americans can afford the same health coverage our politicians in Washington have for themselves.

(APPLAUSE)

John Kerry believes in energy independence, so we aren't held hostage to the profits of oil companies or the sabotage of foreign oil fields.

(APPLAUSE)

John Kerry believes in the constitutional freedoms that have made our country the envy of the world, and he will never sacrifice our basic liberties nor use faith as a wedge to divide us.

(APPLAUSE)

And John Kerry believes that in a dangerous world, war must be an option sometimes, but it should never be the first option.

(APPLAUSE)

You know, a while back, I met a young man named Seamus (ph) in a VFW hall in East Moline, Illinois. He was a good-looking kid, 6'2", 6'3", clear eyed, with an easy smile. He told me he'd joined the Marines and was heading to Iraq the following week.

OBAMA: And as I listened to him explain why he had enlisted -- the absolute faith he had in our country and its leaders, his devotion to duty and service -- I thought, this young man was all that any of us might ever hope for in a child. But then I asked myself: Are we serving Seamus (ph) as well as he's serving us?

I thought of the 900 men and women, sons and daughters, husbands and wives, friends and neighbors who won't be returning to their own hometowns. I thought of the families I had met who were struggling to get by without a loved one's full income or whose loved ones had returned with a limb missing or nerves shattered, but still lacked long-term health benefits because they were Reservists.

(APPLAUSE)

When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they are going, to care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return and to never, ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace and earn the respect of the world.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: Now, let me be clear. Let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued. And they must be defeated.

John Kerry knows this. And just as Lieutenant Kerry did not hesitate to risk his life to protect the men who served with him in Vietnam, President Kerry will not hesitate one moment to use our military might to keep America safe and secure.

(APPLAUSE)

John Kerry believes in America. And he knows that it's not enough for just some of us to prosper. For alongside our famous individualism, there's another ingredient in the American saga, a belief that we are all connected as one people.

If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child.

(APPLAUSE)

If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for their prescription and having to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandparent.

(APPLAUSE)

If there's an Arab-American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.

(APPLAUSE)

It is that fundamental belief -- it is that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper -- that makes this country work.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family: "E pluribus unum," out of many, one.

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes.

Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states.

We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states.

(APPLAUSE)

There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism, or do we participate in a politics of hope?

John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope. I'm not talking about blind optimism here, the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don't think about it, or health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it.

That's not what I'm talking. I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a millworker's son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: Hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the audacity of hope: In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation, a belief in things not seen, a belief that there are better days ahead.

I believe that we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity.

I believe we can provide jobs for the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair.

I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs, and that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices and meet the challenges that face us.

America, tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel the same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you feel the same hopefulness that I do, if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry will be sworn in as president. And John Edwards will be sworn in as vice president. And this country will reclaim it's promise. And out of this long political darkness a brighter day will come.

Thank you very much, everybody.

God bless you.

Thank you.

END

DragonKnight
07-29-2004, 12:30 PM
Yeah, I saw part of his speech on TV. Wow, amazing speech that gets a crowd pumped up.

kimpossible
07-29-2004, 12:45 PM
When I saw/heard him I immediately thought "Presidential candidate." I don't think I have ever been moved by a politician before.

moser
07-29-2004, 02:26 PM
Damn, almost MLK-esque.

VV o n g B a
07-29-2004, 02:26 PM
i've noticed that many in the newsmedia are describing him as "articulate" and "well-spoken" and other adjectives that minorities usually find to be unwelcome descriptors. i wonder how blacks feel about this considering that he's pretty much out-speeched everybody so far but clinton imo.

>:^|
07-29-2004, 02:30 PM
When I saw/heard him I immediately thought "Presidential candidate." I don't think I have ever been moved by a politician before.

Yeah, it's already being mentioned in the press. I met him last year and he's got quite a presence.

I don't know how I feel about the "articulate" comments in this context, i.e., senatorial candidates (or maybe presidential candidates). Given that I don't necessarily expect politicians to be articulate. Especially not Chicago politicians.

mr. x
07-29-2004, 04:02 PM
i've noticed that many in the newsmedia are describing him as "articulate" and "well-spoken" and other adjectives that minorities usually find to be unwelcome descriptors. i wonder how blacks feel about this considering that he's pretty much out-speeched everybody so far but clinton imo.
chris rock: "they be saying about colin powell "oh he speaks so well." WTF DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY, "I be prez-o-dent!"?!?!?!"

thaite
07-29-2004, 04:20 PM
The Dems are acting like he's the second coming or something. He gave a good speech. That's about it.

mr. x
07-29-2004, 04:24 PM
The Dems are acting like he's the second coming or something. He gave a good speech. That's about it.
well if u think about it, i think u can honestly say he's the first "pure" black figure people (specifically liberals) have been able to look up to without groaning (such as sharpton or jackson)

lethal
07-29-2004, 04:56 PM
Here's a link to the video (http://www.dems2004.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=125925&ct=158769).

I heard great reviews about his speech, so I had to watch it. Wow...I was seriously blown away. So I read more and more about him. Grew up in Hawaii, lived in Indonesia as a child, first black Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review. I was blown away again.

Here's an article (http://www.dems2004.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=125925&ct=158769) from before he made a real name for himself.

I'm thinking right now...Kerry's second Attorney General and a Presidential candidate for 2012. He's a rising star. Even if I don't agree with some of his policies on free trade and NAFTA.

yoMAMA
07-29-2004, 05:03 PM
Here's a link to the video (http://www.dems2004.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=125925&ct=158769).

I heard great reviews about his speech, so I had to watch it. Wow...I was seriously blown away. So I read more and more about him. Grew up in Hawaii, lived in Indonesia as a child, first black Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review. I was blown away again.

Here's an article (http://www.dems2004.org/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=125925&ct=158769) from before he made a real name for himself.

I'm thinking right now...Kerry's second Attorney General and a Presidential candidate for 2012. He's a rising star. Even if I don't agree with some of his policies on free trade and NAFTA.

Yeah, his speech was amazing.

Only Clinton's was better.

Also, he turned down $$$$ big law jobs after harvard to work at a small civil rights firm in chicago, representing victims of housing discrimination and stuff.


new yorker featured him in an article called the candidate.



http://newyorker.com/archive/content/?040802fr_archive04

lethal
07-29-2004, 05:08 PM
The New Yorker article is the one I linked above.

yoMAMA
07-29-2004, 05:10 PM
no, it was his speech.

;)

lethal
07-29-2004, 05:15 PM
Oh damn. Meant to link the article. I pasted the wrong link. Oh well, one more reason I'm not Obama.

Chester
07-29-2004, 05:30 PM
chris rock: "they be saying about colin powell "oh he speaks so well." WTF DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY, "I be prez-o-dent!"?!?!?!" It goes well beyond that. The point of calling him articulate isn't to patronize him in the sense that he "can talk like a white man," but that he was incredibly articulate and moving, period -- regardless of race.

And it goes beyond simple articulation. The content of his speech seems to signal a content of character that is missing in mainstream politics, with a message that many often try to convey, but very few succeed in making felt.

mr. x
07-29-2004, 05:33 PM
^---im sure it has more to do with him being a new kid on the block

nola
07-29-2004, 05:41 PM
Yea, Illinois and Chicago!!!! (where I was spawned).

Chester
07-29-2004, 05:41 PM
^---im sure it has more to do with him being a new kid on the block Or maybe it's because he's an articulate and moving speaker.

After all, I don't remember anyone feeling any particular urgency to complement W.'s "articulatorosity" when he was the "new kid on the block."

applehead
07-29-2004, 07:24 PM
so everyone's considering him a potential
presidental candidate because of a speech?
that's nice.

yoMAMA
07-29-2004, 09:52 PM
so everyone's considering him a potential
presidental candidate because of a speech?
that's nice.

No, because of his political talent and potential for greatness.

mr. x
07-29-2004, 09:54 PM
Or maybe it's because he's an articulate and moving speaker.

After all, I don't remember anyone feeling any particular urgency to complement W.'s "articulatorosity" when he was the "new kid on the block."
cuz bush isnt

clinton is but usually people dont praise his articulateness cuz its a given

obama however is the new IT guy

yoMAMA
07-29-2004, 09:58 PM
cuz bush isnt

clinton is but usually people dont praise his articulateness cuz its a given

obama however is the new IT guy

Well he literally came out of nowhere and made a name for himself in a matter of few month.....


Now he's almost a household name.....I guess to people that follows current events, at least.


And better yet, his wife also went to harvard law [and princeton for UG]. Man, they are gonna have smart kids....!

nola
07-29-2004, 10:15 PM
thanks for the vid, lethalweapon....he was like a more educated jesse jackson.

yoMAMA
07-29-2004, 10:19 PM
what do you guys think about the sharpton speech?

I thought it was great....."where's our 40 acres and the mule"?

So we are gonna ride this donkey for all its worth.....

Chester
07-29-2004, 11:25 PM
obama however is the new IT guy Circular logic. His current popularity and quick burst upon the scene is due to his speaking powers, not due to his newness. If he were new and mediocre, you wouldn't have heard of him because he wouldn't have been there.

And so, when you say that the sensation is mostly due to him being new on the scene, you're missing the point almost entirely.

And, actually, Clinton's speaking abilities are constantly applauded and referred to. As they should be.

what do you guys think about the sharpton speech? I dig Sharpton. I really appreciated his presence in the primary and enjoyed all the speeches I heard him give. I think he gets a bum rap in a way that strikes me as veiled racism. If you actually listen to him speak, he speaks clearly, powerfully, and meaningfully.

applehead
07-30-2004, 06:37 AM
No, because of his political talent and potential for greatness.

which is evident by his speeches!

VV o n g B a
07-30-2004, 07:13 AM
I dig Sharpton. I really appreciated his presence in the primary and enjoyed all the speeches I heard him give. I think he gets a bum rap in a way that strikes me as veiled racism. If you actually listen to him speak, he speaks clearly, powerfully, and meaningfully.
sharpton has been racist himself. he's fanned racial flames w/ anti-semitic remarks that got a jewish guy killed in some riots. he also supported a teenage girl who falsely accused a jewish prosecutor of raping her. after that didn't work, she blamed the ira for doing it. he's apologized for none of this.

he's certianly a powerful speaker. but he has risen to power w/ very ugly tactics. i would never vote for him. i'm not sure i would even want him supporting me.

kimpossible
07-30-2004, 09:32 AM
so everyone's considering him a potential
presidental candidate because of a speech?
that's nice.

I'll try to summarize what I saw. Personally, I didn't see a black leader or black politician and I wanted to contrast that because I guess he's being compared mainly to black leaders and black politicians though I will say that it was of some importance to me that he was from an immigrant background (kinda) and mixed race.

Me, I thought he was a good representation of strength, education, vision, humility, awareness and hardworking that emphasized what he could bring to a role as a leader in the USA. His education is of the highest caliber, one earned through hard work and most likely affected by some immigrant roots. He's not intimidated by an intelligent woman, he married a fellow lawyer and she looks like she doesn't take any shit. Thunder and unity message of his speech aside, he acknowledged Asian Americans and the GLBT community specifically in his speech, two things important to me and two things I hardly ever hear acknowledged by a 'mainstream' politician.

He is very effective in his ability to talk about race and (forgive me, but) diversity in a way that conveys both awareness of the problems and challenges, but somehow is able to make a compelling argument for unity. He doesn't try to gloss over it, bullshit about it, or hawk the colorblind we're-all-the-same crap. And what's weird is, it's not kill whitey or The Man must be overcome either. I'd say... Barack Obama is all about I'll be me, you be you, but we're in the same country and shit needs to get done. Let's get to the get it done part.

As for why I had the immediate impression that I was looking at a future president, dunno. Could be totally wrong. It was just an impression but he is definitely on my radar.

>:^|
07-30-2004, 09:44 AM
He is very effective in his ability to talk about race and (forgive me, but) diversity in a way that conveys both awareness of the problems and challenges, but somehow is able to make a compelling argument for unity. He doesn't try to gloss over it, bullshit about it, or hawk the colorblind we're-all-the-same crap. And what's weird is, it's not kill whitey or The Man must be overcome either. I'd say... Barack Obama is all about I'll be me, you be you, but we're in the same country and shit needs to get done. Let's get to the get it done part.

I'm reading his autobiography right now and his description of negotiating the color line is very interesting. He was largely raised by his White grandparents.

Chester
07-30-2004, 11:11 AM
...he acknowledged Asian Americans and the GLBT community specifically in his speech, two things important to me and two things I hardly ever hear acknowledged by a 'mainstream' politician. I totally dug his "And, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states." And I appreciated his inclusion of Asians in the ethnic roll-call.

Overall, I just really enjoyed how positive and unifying his speech was. Kerry, Edwards, and the rest constantly refer to avoiding the politics of divisiveness, but Obama was the one whose speech truly embodied the spirit of inclusion and community.

he's certianly a powerful speaker. but he has risen to power w/ very ugly tactics. i would never vote for him. Agreed and nor would I. Just noting that he's not some comical buffoon to be lampooned for racial characteristics, as he's often depicted in the media.

mr. x
07-30-2004, 11:23 AM
Circular logic. His current popularity and quick burst upon the scene is due to his speaking powers, not due to his newness. If he were new and mediocre, you wouldn't have heard of him because he wouldn't have been there.

umm i dont even know what we're disagreeing on

i was referring to why they say he's so well spoken

i didnt say they like him cuz he's new i say they say he's well spoken cuz he's new (as opposed to clinton who is SUPPOSED to be well spoken)

Chester
07-30-2004, 11:26 AM
umm i dont even know what we're disagreeing on

i was referring to why they say he's so well spoken

i didnt say they like him cuz he's new i say they say he's well spoken cuz he's new That's what we disagree on.

People say he's well-spoken because...he is well-spoken. Simple as that. Go watch his speech again and try and claim that it was a good speech primarily because he's the new kid on the block.

mr. x
07-30-2004, 11:47 AM
That's what we disagree on.

People say he's well-spoken because...he is well-spoken. Simple as that. Go watch his speech again and try and claim that it was a good speech primarily because he's the new kid on the block.
sheesh im not saying he's NOT well spoken im saying people point it out cuz its cool to point it out

Chester
07-30-2004, 12:45 PM
sheesh im not saying he's NOT well spoken im saying people point it out cuz its cool to point it out People point it out because it's true.

mr. x
07-30-2004, 01:36 PM
People point it out because it's true.
touche

OPAH! cmon lets party already

nola
07-30-2004, 04:23 PM
maybe the supreme court?

mr. x
07-31-2004, 12:05 AM
maybe the supreme court?
what are you referring to?

nola
07-31-2004, 05:37 AM
if he's not a future president he can be on the supreme court.

he was the best speaker at the DNC. he is a great speaker like a minister or something not just well-spoken.

Hiroshi2
08-04-2004, 10:21 AM
People point it out because it's true.





Come on now, would they really say that if he was white?


Cause the pastor at my church is the same way, I don't think he has a big deep voice like Obama but he is very articulate and educated.......................and people (black & white) commented on this and he would say, "well, I'm from California." And then people would be like "ohhhhhhhhhh". Cause Lord knows black people in the South don't speak clear English.


But anyway................................

Trust me, any black person who can speak clearly is gonna get such comments from whites, whether it's fair or not.

And wasn't Obama raised by white parents? That's another interesting thing. I don't know if blacks in Chicago feel differently about him, but I think a lot of blacks in general may feel like he's kinda foreign (foreign name, raised by white parents, originally from Africa).

mr. x
08-04-2004, 10:28 AM
And wasn't Obama raised by white parents? That's another interesting thing. I don't know if blacks in Chicago feel differently about him, but I think a lot of blacks in general may feel like he's kinda foreign (foreign name, raised by white parents, originally from Africa).
actually i think his moms white and he's biracial, but like tiger woods he's black to everyone, whether or not thats seen as a good thing

im sure most blacks dont mind his background i mean you have guys like Farakhan so "african" names really arent all that big a deal, in fact it gives him points i think

Hiroshi2
08-04-2004, 10:34 AM
actually i think his moms white and he's biracial, but like tiger woods he's black to everyone, whether or not thats seen as a good thing

im sure most blacks dont mind his background i mean you have guys like Farakhan so "african" names really arent all that big a deal, in fact it gives him points i think



Farakhan appeals to black Muslims. Many (if not most) blacks are Christians of some sect or denomination, so Farakhan is seen as extreme.




At least here in the South. I noticed up in places like New York there were a lot more black Muslims and a lot more blacks doing the whole Afro-centric thing, everything from what books they read to what they named their kids.

I wonder if Obama is Muslim, btw? That would definitely affect his support from the black community if he is.

Chester
08-04-2004, 11:43 AM
Come on now, would they really say that if he was white? If he was white and gave the best, most energizing, most eloquent, and most passionate speech of the Democratic National Convention, yes...yes, I think they would.

TB4000
08-04-2004, 12:12 PM
He has yet to mention is religious affiliation, if any, but if he was Muslim, it'd affect EVERY community's view of him, since they aren't exactly the most popular of religious groups as of late. I for one feel if he ever chose to run, he'd have a good chance, but there are too many that would vote against it simply because he is black, plain and simple. As Mr. X quoted Chris Rock, I shall as well..."There ain't NEVER gonna be a black president...they tell you "never say never?" I'M sayin never!!!"

ellsworth81
08-04-2004, 12:48 PM
It goes well beyond that. The point of calling him articulate isn't to patronize him in the sense that he "can talk like a white man," but that he was incredibly articulate and moving, period -- regardless of race.

And it goes beyond simple articulation. The content of his speech seems to signal a content of character that is missing in mainstream politics, with a message that many often try to convey, but very few succeed in making felt.

sure beats cheney's "go fuck yourself" speech

achtungbaby
08-05-2004, 03:19 AM
That's what we disagree on.

People say he's well-spoken because...he is well-spoken. Simple as that. Go watch his speech again and try and claim that it was a good speech primarily because he's the new kid on the block.
Boy I tell ya...whooooo-wheee! Them well-spoken colored fellas...they sure do talk nice!

It was a good speech. At some points he connected...at others...ehh. It was almost this manufactured, synthetic motivational speech that you hear from a guy walking around a gym with a headset...

Jesse Jackson was a kick ass speaker. People usually have something negative to say but I had the opportunity to attend two of his speeches and he's got good stuff, very, very keen on reading an audience. Shit, he came to keynote a Korean student conference and he friggen got us all pumped up about Korean issues:P

nola
08-05-2004, 05:00 AM
Al Sharpton gets people all fired up too. He may have given the best speech at the convention but I didn't see it.

TB4000
08-05-2004, 07:05 AM
Illinois GOP Asks Keyes to Run for Senate

Thu Aug 5, 5:41 AM ET Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!


By MAURA KELLY LANNAN, Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO - With the general election less than three months away, former presidential hopeful Alan Keyes (news - web sites) says he needs a few days to decide whether he wants to accept the Illinois GOP's offer to be its Senate candidate.






Keyes, a Maryland resident, told Republican leaders who offered him the nomination Wednesday night that he would make his decision known Sunday. Under the law, Keyes would have to live in Illinois only by Election Day.
Asked how he felt about making a Senate run from a state he had never lived in, he responded: "As a matter of principle, I don't think it's a good idea."


"It has to be something where I would be convinced it's not only consonant with federalism as I understand it but that it's in the best interest of the state and of the nation," Keyes said.
If he enters the race, Keyes will be stepping into the national spotlight with another Harvard-educated, polished debater — Democratic rising star Barack Obama — and setting up the first Senate election with two black candidates representing the major parties.


Obama's newly acquired high profile, Keyes said, means Democrats have "thrown down a gauntlet of national challenge" to the Illinois Republican Party.
Obama called the GOP choice of a black candidate "a hopeful sign for the country," adding, "I think obviously when we have 100 U.S. senators and none are African American, that's something that doesn't just trouble African Americans, I think it troubles all Americans."


For Illinois Republicans, it's been a laborious six-week search for a Senate candidate with the name recognition, fund-raising ability and willingness to take on Obama, a state senator from Chicago who has raised more than $10 million and gave the keynote address last month at the Democratic National Convention in Boston.
The GOP primary winner, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the Senate race in late June amid embarrassing sex club allegations in his divorce records. He was seeking to replace retiring Republican Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (news, bio, voting record).


Keyes ran for Senate in Maryland in 1988 as the Republican candidate after the primary winner withdrew. Keyes received 38.2 percent of the vote.


In 1992, Keyes got 29 percent against Sen. Barbara Mikulski (news, bio, voting record), D-Md., amid grumbling by some voters that he had been paying himself a salary with campaign funds.
Keyes, who has been a national writer and speaker and had a syndicated radio show, is widely known for his conservative views. He opposes abortion and gay rights, wants to replace the income tax with a national sales tax, thinks parents should be able to send their children to schools that reflect their faith and calls affirmative action a "government patronage program."



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Gee, another black candidate to counter Obama...didn't see this one coming. :rolleyes:

mr. x
08-05-2004, 11:25 AM
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Gee, another black candidate to counter Obama...didn't see this one coming. :rolleyes:
and conservative too, surprise

but obama's got the hip appeal, isnt keyes kind of obscure?

Hiroshi2
08-05-2004, 03:55 PM
Didn't Alan Keyes run last time?



Why are all these black candidates running? It's just a waste of time and money. There isn't even a slight possibility that they'll win.

nola
08-05-2004, 06:59 PM
He ran last time. He's extremely conservative and does not represent black people so white men use him as an excuse and love him. He's Christian, a radio host and way dorky compared to Obama.

kuilong
08-06-2004, 12:39 AM
He ran last time. He's extremely conservative and does not represent black people so white men use him as an excuse and love him. He's Christian, a radio host and way dorky compared to Obama.

What's wrong with being Christian? Don't the majority of African-Americans identify as Christian?

tint
08-06-2004, 02:24 AM
Didn't Alan Keyes run last time?



Why are all these black candidates running? It's just a waste of time and money. There isn't even a slight possibility that they'll win.
Barack is no doubt will go far in his political career. It's likely he'll run for the presidency. He has a good chance in the running to win. By 2012, the demographics of America will be much more progressive in accepting a black President. If Martin Luther King Jr. run for the President today, who wouldn't vote for him? Barack has much of King's character qualities.

nola
08-06-2004, 06:00 AM
What's wrong with being Christian? Don't the majority of African-Americans identify as Christian?
Like whites use his blackness to say blacks think like him, he uses Christianity to defend extremely conservative views. He's a total black token.

nola
08-06-2004, 07:38 AM
Keyes represents very few Americans let alone black Americans!!!!! Check it out!!!!!

Civil rights
* Preferential affirmative action is patronizing. (Aug 3)
* Gay marriage destroys fundamental moral institutions. (Jul 12)
* Affirmative action turns back the clock. (Aug 1995)
* Our rights come from God, not from the Constitution. (Jan 2000)
* Ten Commandments & prayer should be in schools. (Jan 2000)
* Conducting gov’t in Spanish assaults our linguistic unity. (Jan 2000)
* Signed pledge to reinstitute ban on gays in military. (Jan 2000)
* No separation of church & state; fight uniform irreligion. (Jan 2000)
* Oppose gay agenda in military & marriage laws. (Jan 2000)
* Warns that Supreme Court has advanced gay marriage agenda. (May 1999)
* Gay rights aren’t like racial rights, because it’s behavior. (May 1996)
* Black heritage comes from survival in America, not Africa. (May 1996)

Crime
* Diallo verdict does not need federal review. (Mar 2000)
* Without death penalty for murder, we disregard life. (Jan 2000)
* Stricter penalties; truth in sentencing. (Jan 2000)
* “Hate crime” laws inappropriately punish attitudes. (Jun 1999)
* Supports capital punishment. (Jul 1996)
* External violence results from internal lawlessness. (May 1996)
* Capital punishment is necessary to show respect for life. (Apr 1995)

Drugs
* Stricter drug penalties; more border security. (Jan 2000)
* It’s a moral crisis, not a drug problem. (Oct 1999)
* Drug problem is a symptom of governmental lack of discipline. (Oct 1999)
* Increase penalties for selling drugs. (Jul 1996)

Education
* Pray in the classroom, pray in the hallways, pray everywhere. (Aug 3)
* Break up the government monopoly on public education. (Aug 3)
* Replace the Department of Education with parental control. (Jan 2000)
* School’s bureaucratic monopoly hurts teachers & students. (Jan 2000)
* Violence in schools due to loss of moral heritage. (Dec 1999)
* Let God into schools to keep Columbine shooters out. (Jul 1999)
* Sex education should be abstinence-based. (Jan 1999)
* The Constitution does not forbid prayer in schools. (Jan 1999)
* We need prayer in schools and by educators. (Jan 1999)
* Black education historically focused on family & church. (May 1996)
* Government corrupts higher education. (Feb 1996)
* College tuition rises due to taxpayer subsidies. (Feb 1996)

School Choice
* Pro-voucher; gov’t out of K-12 education. (Jan 2000)
* Money should follow parents’ education choices. (Dec 1999)
* Value-free public education is brainwashing. (Jan 1999)
* Empower parents against the monopoly of public schools. (Jan 1999)
* Let communities decide school rules like all-male academies. (May 1996)

Energy & Oil
* Against Kyoto Treaty; for market-based solutions. (Jan 2000)

Faithless
11-05-2004, 01:50 AM
Lest we not forget: Alan Keyes concedes defeat in Ill (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.nat05nov05,1,6173248.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines)
CHICAGO - Two days after a record loss in the U.S. Senate race, Republican Alan Keyes conceded defeat in a radio interview yesterday. But he said he would never congratulate winner Barack Obama because the Democrat stood for "a culture evil enough to destroy the very soul and heart of my country."
Funny. Democrats are saying that about the likes of you.

B-bye.

mr. x
11-05-2004, 02:13 AM
Keyes is such a tool, i mean show some humility.

Mr.Lum
11-05-2004, 02:54 AM
* Black heritage comes from survival in America, not Africa. (May 1996)



This I would agree with. Black Americans have little cultrually in common with Africans.

* Increase penalties for selling drugs.
I could agree here. As of now, they are increasing arresting users instead of dealers. I did a paper on pot laws. Its foolish. Since 1990, the numbers of people getting arrested for possession has skyrocketed and the already low number of dealer arrests has plummited. Talk about a failure of policy.


However, Keyes if you watched when he and Obama had to talks to youth during the race, Keyes was asked "would you support a son or daughter if they were gay?" and he promptly said no. He couldn't even say that he would still love them, he just said "I would not support them in their sinning and I would not tolorate it in my home" and a whole bunch of religious stuff. What an ass. That's a major charcter flaw. The Good Book tells us to love one another. That's one of the only places in the holy books that should be taken literally. Appearantly he skipped it.

Kuchana
11-05-2004, 04:02 AM
He ran last time. He's extremely conservative and does not represent black people so white men use him as an excuse and love him. He's Christian, a radio host and way dorky compared to Obama.

Exactly what is so wrong with being Christian may I ask? Last time I checked, there are a good number of Black Christians in this country and other minorities to boot. It is nothing abnormal.

Like whites use his blackness to say blacks think like him, he uses Christianity to defend extremely conservative views. He's a total black token.

Wow you think you got it all don't you? Just because you're a Christian and a minority, you're immediately seen as a token? It seems so in this case for Keyes from your perspective. Well I guess you would say the same of me and others in that position then. Minorities use Christinaity to defend their extreme or not so extreme conservative views? Yeah I'm blaming Jesus for my beliefs. What the hell is up with people judging minorities who are Christians and questioning their reasons or their character for that matter? My word, how open-minded some people are these days. :rolleyes:

>:^|
11-05-2004, 04:33 AM
However, Keyes if you watched when he and Obama had to talks to youth during the race, Keyes was asked "would you support a son or daughter if they were gay?" and he promptly said no.

His daughter is a lesbian.

Just because you're a Christian and a minority, you're immediately seen as a token?

Keyes is seen as a token because he had to be imported from Maryland as a sacrificial candidate. Nobody in their right mind with political aspirations wanted to run against Obama because they feared a drubbing. The fact that he's black wasn't an accident.

That said, it's interesting to note Keyes got something like 28 percent of the vote ...

Kuchana
11-05-2004, 04:50 AM
That said, it's interesting to note Keyes got something like 28 percent of the vote ...

Why is that interesting?

kitty
11-05-2004, 06:35 AM
because keyes is crazy. gay-bashing, hyper religiousity... and he still got 28%?

Hiroshi2
11-05-2004, 07:30 AM
Alan Keyes is a white dude in a black man's body. And not just any white dude, but something like the ones you see 'round hurr.



Pray everywhere.............I don't know if that would work. Let me tell you - I've been going to public schools my whole life and when I was in kindegarten, first grade we *did* pray a lot. I don't know, maybe just cause it was Alabama but yeah we said grace, prayed whenever we heard about bad news (like the WTC bombing or the OKC bombing or whatever). Before an assembly, we prayed. Actually, they did that in high school. Like last year. Not this school year, I don't know why. But yeah, like last school year, they'd pray before some school assemblies. And it ain't no thing, nobody really cares, and that's cool with me................but the point is, you can pray all you want and say all the right things, but..........I don't know. I guess I just don't feel like "praying everywhere", as he said. I pray, but not all day, every day.

Faithless
11-05-2004, 07:35 AM
because keyes is crazy. gay-bashing, hyper religiousity... and he still got 28%?
Well, if he was the only Repub going against Obama, the Repubs probably just held their noses and voted for Keyes anyway.

lethal
11-05-2004, 08:50 AM
Barack Obama's brother in law is an Asian American guy.

His family spans the spectrum.

Congrats to Obama. I was looking for this thread to resurrect.

AliBabaIncorporated
11-05-2004, 08:55 AM
Obama is black? I thought he was Indonesian. The Indonesian newspapers are even running headlines these days like "America's First Indonesian Senator" and "Indonesian's Son in the US Congress". I even saw the picture of him and figured he was from somewhere out in the provinces (i.e. a non-Javanese Indonesian).

TB4000
11-05-2004, 08:56 AM
He's biracial, basically. Everyone is gonna claim him at some point or another.

>:^|
11-05-2004, 09:28 AM
He's biracial, basically. Everyone is gonna claim him at some point or another.

Especially the women.

His father was from Kenya. His mom is a White American. His step-father was Indonesian. He lived in Indonesia for a while.

lethal
11-05-2004, 10:24 AM
Especially the women.

His father was from Kenya. His mom is a White American. His step-father was Indonesian. He lived in Indonesia for a while. His half sister is half-Indonesian. His brother in law is Asian American.

And they grew up in Hawaii.

He's a little of everything, which could be to his advantage if he ever decides to run for national office.

Mr.Lum
11-05-2004, 02:40 PM
Obama is black? I thought he was Indonesian. The Indonesian newspapers are even running headlines these days like "America's First Indonesian Senator" and "Indonesian's Son in the US Congress". I even saw the picture of him and figured he was from somewhere out in the provinces (i.e. a non-Javanese Indonesian).

His dad was Kenyan and his mom is white. I wonder if a mixed person could win an election without talking about their ethicity; "I'm not sharing" type bit. It shouldn't matter anyway.

yoMAMA
11-05-2004, 03:09 PM
His daughter is a lesbian.



Keyes is seen as a token because he had to be imported from Maryland as a sacrificial candidate. Nobody in their right mind with political aspirations wanted to run against Obama because they feared a drubbing. The fact that he's black wasn't an accident.

That said, it's interesting to note Keyes got something like 28 percent of the vote ...

even mike ditka declined to run against obama..... :tongue:

Deadpool
11-05-2004, 04:27 PM
He has a cool name.

Mr.Lum
11-05-2004, 05:19 PM
Exactly what is so wrong with being Christian may I ask? Last time I checked, there are a good number of Black Christians in this country and other minorities to boot. It is nothing abnormal.



Wow you think you got it all don't you? Just because you're a Christian and a minority, you're immediately seen as a token? It seems so in this case for Keyes from your perspective. Well I guess you would say the same of me and others in that position then. Minorities use Christinaity to defend their extreme or not so extreme conservative views? Yeah I'm blaming Jesus for my beliefs. What the hell is up with people judging minorities who are Christians and questioning their reasons or their character for that matter? My word, how open-minded some people are these days. :rolleyes:

I think there is something wrong with a man who would oppose civil rights while he is a minority. Hell, the man even supported aparthied! He's the only major black face the Republcian party has and so they put it forward. They want to show they're not the same party that tried so hard to keep nonwhite people from moving forward. Too bad, they are.

But it is interesting, he got 29% of the vote when he ran in Maryland. He got 27-8% in Illinois. Maybe if he picks up and carpetbags to another state, he'll get even less!

Did you hear how he has refused to congratuale Barak Obama? What an ass!

yoMAMA
11-05-2004, 06:32 PM
I think there is something wrong with a man who would oppose civil rights while he is a minority. Hell, the man even supported aparthied! He's the only major black face the Republcian party has and so they put it forward. They want to show they're not the same party that tried so hard to keep nonwhite people from moving forward. Too bad, they are.

But it is interesting, he got 29% of the vote when he ran in Maryland. He got 27-8% in Illinois. Maybe if he picks up and carpetbags to another state, he'll get even less!

Did you hear how he has refused to congratuale Barak Obama? What an ass!

LOL...the illinois GOP sure has a lot of talents around.....