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[Thutmose_III]

Hetep,

brothas and sistas

I'm new to the forum... and would like to extend my warmest welcome to the room and post another site (if the admin doesn't mind) of problems and/or issues I think we as a people must address. The site is www.counter-racism.com (www.counter-racism.com)... your ideas on the matter would be greatly appreciative.

But since I've posted, I guess I could spare to post an arguemnt.

Do white supremacy exist???

White supremacy/racism--- complete subjugation and/or mistreatment of people, in all nine areas of people activites (economics, education, entertianment, labor, law, politics, religon, sex and war), who is not classified as WHITE.

There is only one "RACE..." WHITE. Reason being, only one race, is SMARTER and also POWERFUL enough to practice "racism"...

Have you ever asked a "white" person what does "white" means... obviously white doesnot refer to a person "skin color." The word white, in since of people, means power... POWER meaning recognization of being smart... SMART meaning having the ability to do more things. (for example: smart bomb... a bomb that has the most abilities to do more than other bombs)

The truth of the matter is people are just people... there isn't any whites or blacks or chineses or japaneses etc. There is nothing more than people in the universe... It is the WORDS that obstruct/block us all (non-whites), from really achieveing greater OVER-standing of our purpose in this universe... the words... "people" classified as white tends to throw at us non-whites, to confuse us all.

Any questions? suggestions?

"Thutmose speaks"

[Tao]

hi, welcome

stop spamming the same post in different threads

nice post, but umm...did you make up a new word? (over-standing)

[Thutmose_III]

hi, welcome

stop spamming the same post in different threads

nice post, but umm...did you make up a new word? (over-standing)Well, People make up words everyday; dis, dat, WMD... the key is using words that best reveal Truth; Truth meaning, that which is. Understanding, Under like thinking below standing. I think people would appreciate it more to think above standing... I could be in-correct.

But I have to ask, are you white person?

[Tao]

Well, People make up words everyday; dis, dat, WMD... the key is using words that best reveal Truth; Truth meaning, that which is. Understanding, Under like thinking below standing. I think people would appreciate it more to think above standing... I could be in-correct.

But I have to ask, are you white person?

i might be, my friends tell me i am all the time

[Thutmose_III]

i might be, my friends tell me i am all the timeA White person is a person who is classified as white, recognized as white, by other people who is classified as white in all nine areas of people activities.

Example: If I put on a police jacket that doesn't makes me a police officer... I have to classified as a police officer, recognized as police officer, by other people classified as police officers.

Now with that being said...

What is a white person???

[Tao]

Now with that being said...

What is a white person???

http://www.thestinkers.com/images1/vanillaiceb.jpg

[Thutmose_III]

http://www.thestinkers.com/images1/vanillaiceb.jpgIs that a white person??? How is that particular person a "white" person?

[Tao]

uhh....it's vanilla ice man...that's like saying "mr. whitey mcwhite"

this is probably the strangest thread i've ever participated in

[Thutmose_III]

uhh....it's vanilla ice man...that like saying "mr. whitey mcwhite"

this is probably the strangest thread i've ever participated inStrange...??? I never seen a "white" (like the color of bond paper) person. You say, "my friends tell me i am all the time..." What is a white person... If both you and I know, no one is actually white in sense of color?

[Tao]

Strange...??? I never seen a "white" (like the color of bond paper) person. You say, "my friends tell me i am all the time..." What is a white person... If both you and I know, no one is actually white in sense of color?

well that's like saying there is no real "black" person. cause technically we are all shades of brown...unless of course you happen to be albino, in which case you are literally white, or have hepatitis, in which case you'd be literally yellow. Yes, i understand that part...but you seriosuly lost me in your whole "over-standing" and your analogy of a smart bomb with white people....i mean umm....please clarify.

what is it exactly you're saying? that by declassifying oneself from a particular ethnic group there'd be more racial harmony? cause i highly doubt that.

[DragonKnight]

There's a Rant Room for...well, ranting. I suggest ranting there. Granted this whole thread reeks of troll.

[Thutmose_III]

well that's like saying there is no real "black" person. cause technically we are all shades of brown...unless of course you happen to be albino, in which case you are literally white, or have hepatitis, in which case you'd be literally yellow. Yes, i understand that part...but you seriosuly lost me in your whole "over-standing" and your analogy of a smart bomb with white people....i mean umm....please clarify.

what is it exactly you're saying? that by declassifying oneself from a particular ethnic group there'd be more racial harmony? cause i highly doubt that.1) Yes their is no real "black" person... so what I "suspect" is meant when using the term... is black is function (meaning saying some/anything to be classified as black, and doing some/anything to be classified as black).

What do a person have to say and do to be classified as white/black?

You OVER-stand?

2)www.counter-racism.com (www.counter-racism.com). Check this out for clarity.

There's a Rant Room for...well, ranting. I suggest ranting there. Granted this whole thread reeks of troll."...reeks of troll"

What is Troll???

what is it exactly you're saying?QUOTE]Not to sound blunt but exactly what I wrote.

[quote=Tao]...that by declassifying oneself from a particular ethnic group there'd be more racial harmony?Racial...? What is "racial"...? Re-read my opening post.

Thank you

[PropellerheadCP]

There's a Rant Room for...well, ranting. I suggest ranting there. Granted this whole thread reeks of troll.

No, but it reminds me of a skit from the old show, "In Living Color". Ya dig what I'm saying?

[SunWuKong]

Thutmost III,

the definition of "race" has been discussed here before. most of us here are aware that there are, in fact, more genetic variations within one race than between two different races. but for all intents and purposes, most of the conversations on this site will use the socially constructed definition of what race is. if you need help with what a "white" person means, there is always dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=white).

A member of a racial group of people having light skin coloration, especially one of European origin.

in fact, most of your rhetorical questions can be answered by simply looking up a dictionary.

it is not possible to act completely without race-consciousness. to overzealously say that one is race-blind, one runs the risk of being blind to racism instead. no matter how much someone proclaims there is only one "race", the fact remains that differences exist between what society considers to be "races". most of our conversations here take place within that context.

there is also the matter of self-identification. i personally define myself as Chinese, Overseas Chinese, Asian, Asian American, as well as human. everybody is entitled to assign himself/herself a racial label, or to not assign one at all. but most people here have assigned himself or herself a racial label, and it is also within that context that most of the conversations take place on this site.

it's not about thinking that we're all the same. it's about getting along with each other despite our differences.

[Thutmose_III]

Thutmost III,

the definition of "race" has been discussed here before. most of us here are aware that there are, in fact, more genetic variations within one race than between two different races. but for all intents and purposes, most of the conversations on this site will use the socially constructed definition of what race is. if you need help with what a "white" person means, there is always dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=white).



in fact, most of your rhetorical questions can be answered by simply looking up a dictionary.

it is not possible to act completely without race-consciousness. to overzealously say that one is race-blind, one runs the risk of being blind to racism instead. no matter how much someone proclaims there is only one "race", the fact remains that differences exist between what society considers to be "races". most of our conversations here take place within that context.

there is also the matter of self-identification. i personally define myself as Chinese, Overseas Chinese, Asian, Asian American, as well as human. everybody is entitled to assign himself/herself a racial label, or to not assign one at all. but most people here have assigned himself or herself a racial label, and it is also within that context that most of the conversations take place on this site.

it's not about thinking that we're all the same. it's about getting along with each other despite our differences.1) There are only two color classifications, on paper, I know of Black & White

Digging in a crayon box... Have you or anyone else, ever seen a chinese crayon? (Like I first stated it's the words)

2) I never seen a person that is the same color as bond paper... therefore I'm curious as to what is a white person? Dicitionary.com doesn't explain this phonomenom... So I attempt to ask those who have actually seen a person classified as white, who is recognized as white, by other people who is classified as white.

3.)Just as a pitbull is different than a chow chow... they are both dogs

People are people... plain and simple... or the LOGIC of the universe... 1 + 1 = 2

You might call this common sense.

Thank you.

"Thutmose speaks"

www.counter-racism.com

[SunWuKong]

1) There are only two color classifications, on paper, I know of Black & White

Digging in a crayon box... Have you or anyone else, ever seen a chinese crayon? (Like I first stated it's the words)

2) I never seen a person that is the same color as bond paper... therefore I'm curious as to what is a white person? Dicitionary.com doesn't explain this phonomenom... So I attempt to ask those who have actually seen a person classified as white, who is recognized as white, by other people who is classified as white.

3.)Just as a pitbull is different than a chow chow... they are both dogs

1) as i've told you, dictionary.com (http:www.dictionary.com) has most of what you need:

definition of race:
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.

2) you've just completely ignored my post. we are obviously using the socially assigned definition of what "race" means here. use the definition in dictionary.com, if you will. and if you still don't get it, well, quite frankly, we don't have the answers you seek here.

3) i'm not a dog. however, you should feel free to equate yourself with one.


People are people... plain and simple... or the LOGIC of the universe... 1 + 1 = 2

You might call this common sense.

actually, it's not common sense. that's called "thinking you know what's right and stubbornly hiding behind a wall of rhetorical questions."

because as you seem to be unaware, 1 + 1 = 10 in some cases in the universe.

[kitty]

Just as an addendum to radford's logic, while there may be little genetic basis for race, it is a stubborn, unrealistic game of pretend to spout nonsense about there only being 'one race, the human race'. a) thutmose, we've heard this all before. you're not the first person to talk about this, and you won't be the last -- time and again people will try to end racial harmony by knitting their brows and concetrating really, really hard. b) MORE importantly, yes, race is a social construct. But, race EXISTS as a social construct and has taken on meaning because of it. It is it's own entity because we as a species have created it as such, and now race has become a basis of our society, whether we like it or not. As a society, we have divided ourselves according to racial similarity, and addressed ourselves as members of racial communities. We can't now ignore race because, as far as social policy, programming, and attitudes is concerned, white people, black people, yellow and brown people all exist.

You seem to make a big deal out of the fact that Caucasians aren't pure white in colour. I say, why does it matter? Though they're not all 'bond paper' in colour, white people are all similar in colouring to one another, and more importantly, are distinguished by themselves and society for their racial similarity. The mere fact that they lack skin pigmentation gives them what some call 'white priviledge' . Rather than any similarity to printer paper, it's actually this privilege that binds whites together.

Can racism only be perpetuated by whites? Absolutely not. Racism being the act of discriminating (having prejudicial thought) based upon race is easily carried out by people of all races, since it's a mindset not based upon racial standing in a society. however, I've argued in the past that whites are the only people with the social privilege and racial history to be able to 'oppress' another group based on race, given their position at the top. Counter to this, minorities are able to discriminate amongst one another but cannot 'oppress' one another, so to speak, unless they wield the kind of social power that whites do (usually this isn't the case unless we're talking about ethnic enclaves).

But seriously, what's with the 'thutmose speaks' stuff? Do you fancy yourself a racial prophet?

[Tao]

is it just me, or does anyone else not understand a word of what this guy says

[kimpossible]

is it just me, or does anyone else not understand a word of what this guy says

It has lots of colors and repeats in different threads.

request: please read this in the tone "It puts the lotion on its skin."

[rice cracker]

This thread is hilarious.

[Faithless]

I checked-out the counter-racism.com web site.

It reads more like a fancy blog on race issues more than anything else.

It seems a little light on subject matter.

[DragonKnight]

is it just me, or does anyone else not understand a word of what this guy says Stone Cold Steve Austin response:

"Hell son, I didn't understand a damn word you just said!"

:biggrin:

[Irezumi Kiss]

time and again people will try to end racial harmony by knitting their brows and concetrating really, really hard.
If THAT'S all it takes, just think of the racial harmony we all could've achieved on the porcelain throne while pinching a loaf.

Irezumi Kiss speaks!

:tongue:

[Thutmose_III]

I think all, including myself have skipped my initial post question...

Which is,

Do white supremacy/racism exist???

White supremacy/racism--- complete subjugation and/or mistreatment of people, in all nine areas of people activites (economics, education, entertianment, labor, law, politics, religon, sex and war), who is not classified as WHITE.

[DragonKnight]

I think all, including myself have skipped my initial post question...

Which is,

Do white supremacy/racism exist???

White supremacy/racism--- complete subjugation and/or mistreatment of people, in all nine areas of people activites (economics, education, entertianment, labor, law, politics, religon, sex and war), who is not classified as WHITE. According to your words and definition provided, AFAIK, no.

But the movement for white supremacy/racism, does.

DragonKnight hath spoketh!

Laf.

[kitty]

I think all, including myself have skipped my initial post question...

Which is,

Do white supremacy/racism exist???

White supremacy/racism--- complete subjugation and/or mistreatment of people, in all nine areas of people activites (economics, education, entertianment, labor, law, politics, religon, sex and war), who is not classified as WHITE.

a) the definition is clumsy and not the socially accepted definition of racism and white supremacy (which are incidentally not the same thing).

b) even so. yes.

[Tao]

I think all, including myself have skipped my initial post question...

Which is,

Do white supremacy/racism exist???

White supremacy/racism--- complete subjugation and/or mistreatment of people, in all nine areas of people activites (economics, education, entertianment, labor, law, politics, religon, sex and war), who is not classified as WHITE.


being racist doesn't necessarily mean mistreatment in all of those catagories. let's say a skin head beats up a black guy, the black person isn't mistreated or subjugated in the catagory of entertainment, labor, religion, education or sex.

supremacy/opression of one race over another isn't just those nine categories, it can be more or less.

[mr. x]

umm dont you mean thutmoseS not thutmose? sorry being a smartass

anyway what is it you are trying to get at exactly?

[Faithless]

I think all, including myself have skipped my initial post question...

Which is,

Do white supremacy/racism exist???

White supremacy/racism--- complete subjugation and/or mistreatment of people, in all nine areas of people activites (economics, education, entertianment, labor, law, politics, religon, sex and war), who is not classified as WHITE.
It does, but it doesn't have to.

I think if we all focus on what everyone hates, namely clowns, then we can all unite -- even under the nine areas of people activities.

Economics. Stingy whites in the upper 1%. They could easily pay for more social ills if they would just allow a little-itty bit more in taxation. But, noooo, they get all racist. Now, if we could just say that some of this tax money would go to ban clowns and prevent racism, we might have a winner. Of course, we'd have to have a judicial review to see if this does not create some sort of clownism.

Entertainment. Whites hiring whites for parts that mostly anyone could play. Introduce more clown parts. Whites won't want to play them all by themselves. In fact, they might allow more non-whites to have these clown parts. I keep thinking that the LOTR needed some clown part.

Labor. Whites hiring whites, because of some prejudiced attitude toward non-whites. Create executive clown positions. Whites won't want to be executive clowns by themselves.

Law / politics / sex. Propose the anti-clown law. Appose clown-sex. Since nobody likes clowns, nobody wants to see them around, nor clowning around.

Religon. Have more surmons or prayers against clowns. See how many people of different colors come out for the prayer vigils to save clown souls. Amen.

War. Go to war on clowns. Since they are a national security threat, whites will jump at the chance to fight along the vast majority of minorities who fight most of the US's wars.

[Tao]

it's like we're all high on lsd or something

[coagulated fat]

i like colors

[asvenus]

me confused??!!
Thutmose what exactly is it you are trying to say? im not sure if i understand where you are coming from with your argument...you appear to be saying that 'race' and 'colours' are not an issue as they are something socially constructed while simultaneously arguing that these constructs do indeed define us and lead to particular experiences based on how we are defined..(confusing myself now!!)

im lost...maybe its too early and i havent had a cigarette...*goes to smoke* :confused:

[SunWuKong]

me confused??!!
Thutmose what exactly is it you are trying to say? im not sure if i understand where you are coming from with your argument...you appear to be saying that 'race' and 'colours' are not an issue as they are something socially constructed while simultaneously arguing that these constructs do indeed define us and lead to particular experiences based on how we are defined..(confusing myself now!!)

im lost...maybe its too early and i havent had a cigarette...*goes to smoke* :confused:


he's basically saying there's no "white supremacy" because there's no "white" people.

[Thutmose_III]

Observed Phenomenon:

The phenomenon I have observed is that it appears people who are classified as white are better off in terms of living conditions and have more POWER than all other people on the planet.

Hypothesis:

ONLY white people can practice "racism" and "racism" equals "white supremacy".

I have observed that racism is the mistreatment of people on the basis of color. The cause of the living conditions of "non-white" people and lack of POWER is directly related to the accumulation of POWER of white people.

If racism = white supremacy that means the definition for both must be the same. I suspect the definition of racism and the definition of white supremacy is the following...

Racism (White Supremacy): The scientific practice of unjust subjugation, misuse and/or abuse of persons classified as "non-white" by persons classified as "white" on the basis of color.

The "color" category has two aspects to it...

(1) How you FUNCTION (what you say and/or do)
(2) Factors associated with how you FUNCTION (appearance, birth origin, ancestors, culture, heritage, etc.).

People classified as white change the second aspect of the "color" category all the time but the one thing that never changes for non-white people is how they FUNCTION (the first aspect) in relation to each other and in relation to people classified as white.

Experimentation:

If the hypothesis is true based on the observed phenomenon we are going to have to ask white people questions to see how this SYSTEM is maintained and the questions have to be related to FUNCTION.

The critical question has to be...

"Are you white?" OR "Are you a white person?"

If this question is not answered with a "Yes" or "No" all other questions may prove to be invalid.

Other questions to ask...

What color is your skin?

This question reveals truth about the individuals ACTUAL skin color. People who classify themselves as white will not say they have white skin if they are interested in revealing truth but if they do ask a question similar to the following to qualify their answer...

What crayon in a crayon box best matches the color of your skin?

Is your skin the same color as white bond paper? (Yes or No answer)

Once you have gotten past the color classification the next question is the clincher...

When did you find out you were white?

If the white person is interested in revealing truth you will get a story that explains how someone they were with got "mistreated on the basis of color" and they didn't because they are white. This is the reason I have concluded that racism = white supremacy. The phenomenon of people being mistreated on the basis of color is racism and it is white supremacy. Check the definition under "Hypothesis".

www.counter-racism.com

[PropellerheadCP]

Ur... my mother's one of the most racist people I've ever met. She's Chinese. How does that work into the equation?

[coagulated fat]

If racism = white supremacy that means the definition for both must be the same. I suspect the definition of racism and the definition of white supremacy is the following...

Racism (White Supremacy): The scientific practice of unjust subjugation, misuse and/or abuse of persons classified as "non-white" by persons classified as "white" on the basis of color.
Better look it up in a real dictionary.

[kitty]

how can you disprove something if you're the one supplying the definition in the first place? that's like saying, "guess what? you're made of green cheese. and since green cheese doesn't exist, you don't exist! bwahahahahaha!"

[SunWuKong]

ok now i have no idea what the hell he's talking about. is he still asking what a white person is?
or is he writing about a high school sociology experiment? his "experimentation" doesn't even test the validity of his "hypothesis".

[kimpossible]

so that was white bond paper and a crayon i need

[Fireblade]

Interesting choice for a name. Thutmose the III, was an ancient Egyptian Pharaoh who overtook many towns and conquered opposing forces. Kind of regarded as the Napolean of Egypt. Just an observation.

[Tao]

Observed Phenomenon:

The phenomenon I have observed is that it appears people who are classified as white are better off in terms of living conditions and have more POWER than all other people on the planet.

Hypothesis:

ONLY white people can practice "racism" and "racism" equals "white supremacy".

I have observed that racism is the mistreatment of people on the basis of color. The cause of the living conditions of "non-white" people and lack of POWER is directly related to the accumulation of POWER of white people.

If racism = white supremacy that means the definition for both must be the same. I suspect the definition of racism and the definition of white supremacy is the following...

Racism (White Supremacy): The scientific practice of unjust subjugation, misuse and/or abuse of persons classified as "non-white" by persons classified as "white" on the basis of color.

The "color" category has two aspects to it...

(1) How you FUNCTION (what you say and/or do)
(2) Factors associated with how you FUNCTION (appearance, birth origin, ancestors, culture, heritage, etc.).

People classified as white change the second aspect of the "color" category all the time but the one thing that never changes for non-white people is how they FUNCTION (the first aspect) in relation to each other and in relation to people classified as white.

Experimentation:

If the hypothesis is true based on the observed phenomenon we are going to have to ask white people questions to see how this SYSTEM is maintained and the questions have to be related to FUNCTION.

The critical question has to be...

"Are you white?" OR "Are you a white person?"

If this question is not answered with a "Yes" or "No" all other questions may prove to be invalid.

Other questions to ask...

What color is your skin?

This question reveals truth about the individuals ACTUAL skin color. People who classify themselves as white will not say they have white skin if they are interested in revealing truth but if they do ask a question similar to the following to qualify their answer...

What crayon in a crayon box best matches the color of your skin?

Is your skin the same color as white bond paper? (Yes or No answer)

Once you have gotten past the color classification the next question is the clincher...

When did you find out you were white?

If the white person is interested in revealing truth you will get a story that explains how someone they were with got "mistreated on the basis of color" and they didn't because they are white. This is the reason I have concluded that racism = white supremacy. The phenomenon of people being mistreated on the basis of color is racism and it is white supremacy. Check the definition under "Hypothesis".

www.counter-racism.com

in other words everything you've just said is false because your hypothesis is based on the assumption only white ppl can be racist, which obviously is a racist generalization in of itself.

[Thutmose_III]

Ur... my mother's one of the most racist people I've ever met. She's Chinese. How does that work into the equation?I will go to each of your questions accordanly...

Now in "this equation"... If you mother is racist then this would mean your mother is WHITE.

I don't know I could be in-correct... Are chinese white or non-white people?

Better look it up in a real dictionary.O.K. but how real is the real dictionary? Is every word truthful? If so, why do I need words to define words?

You might see words maded up everyday... repatriotization act...

"What is real, Define real"

[SunWuKong]

O.K. but how real is the real dictionary? Is every word truthful? If so, why do I need words to define words?

for the words that you'll need definitions in most conversations on YW, yes, a dictionary would suffice and every word truthful. refer to a dictionary, please, instead of asking questions that are obviously rhetorical.

[Thutmose_III]

how can you disprove something if you're the one supplying the definition in the first place? that's like saying, "guess what? you're made of green cheese. and since green cheese doesn't exist, you don't exist! bwahahahahaha!"Exactly... but the key is using words and definitions in a truthful manner...

"Guess what? you're made of green cheese."

What is green cheese?

Cheese that is green.

so that was white bond paper and a crayon i need...

Interesting choice for a name. Thutmose the III, was an ancient Egyptian Pharaoh who overtook many towns and conquered opposing forces. Kind of regarded as the Napolean of Egypt. Just an observation.Interesting...

in other words everything you've just said is false because your hypothesis is based on the assumption only white ppl can be racist, which obviously is a racist generalization in of itself.What is YOUR definition of a RACIST?

[PropellerheadCP]

Holy crap!!! My mother's white??? How am I the last to know? But we're all tanned Asians, in my family. How did she become white? Does that make me hapa?

[Thutmose_III]

for the words that you'll need definitions in most conversations on YW, yes, a dictionary would suffice and every word truthful. refer to a dictionary, please, instead of asking questions that are obviously rhetorical.... Interesting suggestion.

Are you a white person?

Holy crap!!! My mother's white??? How am I the last to know? But we're all tanned Asians, in my family. How did she become white? Does that make me hapa?Now "Asian"... What exactly is an "Asian?"

You used the word, "define" it

[PropellerheadCP]

Asian: People who share certain physical features through evolution, due to the geographical location of their ancestry. Although there are a wide range of features, cultures and beliefs, due to the large around in which "Asia" is classified under, there still are certain distinct features that are similar. Hence, they are "Asians"

[Thutmose_III]

Asian: People who share certain physical features through evolution, due to the geographical location of their ancestry. Although there are a wide range of features, cultures and beliefs, due to the large around in which "Asia" is classified under, there still are certain distinct features that are similar. Hence, they are "Asians"And what features might that be?

[Tao]

Now "Asian"... What exactly is an "Asian?"

You used the word, "define" it

"If the white person is interested in revealing truth you will get a story that explains how someone they were with got "mistreated on the basis of color" and they didn't because they are white. "

Now "Truth"...What exactly is "Truth?"

You used the word, "define" it

[mr. x]

thutmose if theres a point to this i think its time you come out with it instead of giving us this matrix reloaded schpiel

[PropellerheadCP]

And what features might that be?

Asian features.

Observed Phenomenon:

The phenomenon I have observed is that it appears people who are classified as white are better off in terms of living conditions and have more POWER than all other people on the planet.

Hypothesis:

ONLY white people can practice "racism" and "racism" equals "white supremacy".

I have observed that racism is the mistreatment of people on the basis of color. The cause of the living conditions of "non-white" people and lack of POWER is directly related to the accumulation of POWER of white people.

If racism = white supremacy that means the definition for both must be the same. I suspect the definition of racism and the definition of white supremacy is the following...

Racism (White Supremacy): The scientific practice of unjust subjugation, misuse and/or abuse of persons classified as "non-white" by persons classified as "white" on the basis of color.

The "color" category has two aspects to it...

(1) How you FUNCTION (what you say and/or do)
(2) Factors associated with how you FUNCTION (appearance, birth origin, ancestors, culture, heritage, etc.).

People classified as white change the second aspect of the "color" category all the time but the one thing that never changes for non-white people is how they FUNCTION (the first aspect) in relation to each other and in relation to people classified as white.

Experimentation:

If the hypothesis is true based on the observed phenomenon we are going to have to ask white people questions to see how this SYSTEM is maintained and the questions have to be related to FUNCTION.

The critical question has to be...

"Are you white?" OR "Are you a white person?"

If this question is not answered with a "Yes" or "No" all other questions may prove to be invalid.

Other questions to ask...

What color is your skin?

This question reveals truth about the individuals ACTUAL skin color. People who classify themselves as white will not say they have white skin if they are interested in revealing truth but if they do ask a question similar to the following to qualify their answer...

What crayon in a crayon box best matches the color of your skin?

Is your skin the same color as white bond paper? (Yes or No answer)

Once you have gotten past the color classification the next question is the clincher...

When did you find out you were white?

If the white person is interested in revealing truth you will get a story that explains how someone they were with got "mistreated on the basis of color" and they didn't because they are white. This is the reason I have concluded that racism = white supremacy. The phenomenon of people being mistreated on the basis of color is racism and it is white supremacy. Check the definition under "Hypothesis".

www.counter-racism.com

Thutmose_III, I just looked over the post again. Are you white?

[Thutmose_III]

"If the white person is interested in revealing truth you will get a story that explains how someone they were with got "mistreated on the basis of color" and they didn't because they are white. "

Now "Truth"...What exactly is "Truth?"

You used the word, "define" itI say the word TRUTH means "that which is"...which is the opposite of the word "falsehood"...which means "that which is not [true]". This cuts down on a lot of confusion for me and others have said it cuts down on a lot of confusion for them when they use this definition as well. Either it is true or it is not true...on or off...one or the other. Either the person is white or the person is not white (non-white)...no in-between. Not half white...or quarter white...or 10% white...or white only the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox...too confusing. Either you are white or you are not.

[SunWuKong]

I say the word TRUTH means "that which is"...which is the opposite of the word "falsehood"...which means "that which is not [true]". This cuts down on a lot of confusion for me and others have said it cuts down on a lot of confusion for them when they use this definition as well. Either it is true or it is not true...on or off...one or the other. Either the person is white or the person is not white (non-white)...no in-between. Not half white...or quarter white...or 10% white...or white only the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox...too confusing. Either you are white or you are not.

interesting. what does "that which is" mean? what does "opposite" mean? what does "confusion" mean?

fortunately for all of us, the world is not completely cartesian like that. you might try presenting this idea on a site like www.eurasiannation.com, i'm sure they'll love it.

... Interesting suggestion.

Are you a white person?

why do you ask? are you?

Now "Asian"... What exactly is an "Asian?"

as i've mentioned time and again, for your rhetorical questions, the dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=asian) will suffice. most of us here have agreed to an unspoken and assumed set of definitions as assigned by society to ease our conversations. these definitions may be found in the dictionary.

[Thutmose_III]

thutmose if theres a point to this i think its time you come out with it instead of giving us this matrix reloaded schpielPoint to what?

You've read my posts, come out with what?

Racism/White Supremacy exist and dominates all non-white people in every area of people activies. White people are more smarter and powerful than non-white people... non-white people are people that is not classified as white. Obviously, white people is not the same color as bond paper... which means it's Function, which is, saying and/or doing things. In order of someone to be white they have to say things and do things that requires a person to be classified as white, by other people that is classified as white, in all nine areas of people activities. Same with a person classified as Chinese or Hindu or Black etc.

In short,

White = power.

Non-white = powerless.

When a person say they are white they generally mean this.

I've tried the skin color route and ended up confused... because I've witness non-white people that is actually lighter than people classified as white.

I've tried the features route and ended up more confused... Because I've witness non-white people with blue eyes (real, not fake) and blond hair (real, not fake)...

the key is, with those routes, is people classified as white changes them all the time, so it has no ground to stand on... it leaves you confused and people classified as white still being white.

Now... most non-whites don't grasp the depth and deminsion of White supremacy/racism, all they care to do is think some head white person is pulling the strings... but the truth is white supremacy/racism can be practiced by ALL people classified as white... ALL.

Can non-white practice racism?

In very short,

no.

Because non-white people don't have the POWER to practice racism...

Let's all see if the so-called Iraqis can take their culture (which the compensatory definition of culture is, whatever you are doing at the time you are doing it) and subject people to it.

Noone in history have done this except white people. Hell, there is not one place in the universe, I know of, that white people don't control. If you want to get married you are subjected by their guide-lines/laws... to be considered married.

You don't have to take my word for it run a test... and see what the outcome might be.

Try getting married by your CULTURE law and see who ultimately decide if you are married or if you not.

Or maybe your CULTURE might make it known to burn their dead,

drink blood,

run around naked,

smoke weed,

do LSD.

In either cases white people decide what is correct and what is in-correct. And that is under people activities known as "law" alone...

there is still eight more ares to tackle.

Replace White Supremacy/Racism with Justice.

Justice: Guaranteeing noone is mistreated, and helping those who needs the most help.

Asian features.



Thutmose_III, I just looked over the post again. Are you white?No I'm non-white... I'm classified as AFROcan AmeriKKKan... or a victim of racism

interesting. what does "that which is" mean? what does "opposite" mean? what does "confusion" mean?

fortunately for all of us, the world is not completely cartesian like that. you might try presenting this idea on a site like www.eurasiannation.com, i'm sure they'll love it.



why do you ask? are you?



as i've mentioned time and again, for your rhetorical questions, the dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=asian) will suffice. most of us here have agreed to an unspoken and assumed set of definitions as assigned by society to ease our conversations. these definitions may be found in the dictionary.1. "That which is" means Truth

2.Different direction... instead of going up... you could go in a different direction.

Opposite

Black::white

Black::brown

Black::African

3.Thinking in falsehood (that which is not [true])

4.Thank you for the website and I will check it out ASAP... Maybe I could ask someone there what is an Eurasian?

Agian thank you.

5.No, I'm a non-white person... what you might call a black person.

6.Whatever works for you... I don't use words unless "I" know the meaning of it... it mis-leads the person who you are talking to.

And I don't make it a habit to mislead people.

[asvenus]

ok ok Thutmose i think i kind if nearly, barely see where you are coming from but you need to be a tad more clear...
the whole is white supremacy racism thing is a little outdated, racism and white supremacy are two different things, in my view anyway...anyone can be 'racist'...we all show and harbour prejudice towards others, this is based on the fact that we live in a society dictated by white supremacy which i would say is the dominant culture...it is not as simplistic as skin colour orlack of or whatever you are trying to say.

it is not as simple as arguing that 'white' = power and non-white= powerless, there are millions of poeple in this world that are persecuted and victimised everyday that would fit your narrow view of a 'white' person, eg: northern Irish people, certain middle eastern and Eastern European people, North African people..etc etc....
debate has moved on from asserting that 'white' people are racist and non-'white' cant be....i understand that point but to say that ignores internal fighting and prejudice shown between so called 'racial' groups...look at Rwanda..these are all 'black' African people yet one group is comitting 'ethnic cleansing' aka genocide against the other...yet there is no difference in skin colour or whatever...

i would argue against your assertion that we live in a wholly dichotmous world, not everything is classified through binary measures and your presentation of 'facts' like this show how we are caught up in 'white supremacy' (not racism) because it permeates our thought structures and language therefore how we communicate which supports my argument that it is not only 'white' people who practise racism but in fact we are caught up in it due to the nature of the societal structures we live under...which is white supremacy

argh i dont know, i just think we have to be more careful nowadays of making generalised blanket statements
also what are 'Asian' features? i come from two different strands of Asian ancestry, neither of whom look even remotely alike, (Pakistani and Chinese) ??!!

[Faithless]

so that was white bond paper and a crayon i need
A child with no pre-conceived notion of color.

[kitty]

okay... i'm confused now. all the rhetorical questions are just annoying. what is being asserted? that whiteness doesn't exist?

as i said in my previous post which you must not have read. the idea of racism only coming from social power is outdated. racism is a mindset and is, by definition, prejudicial thought based on race. thus, racism IS possible to be carried out by any person of any race, because it is a series of mental processes rather than an action. oppression, however, can only be carried out by whites, because of the social power involved.

how does one classify as white (or black? or asian?) a lot of it has to do with self-identification. but a lot of it has to do with how others perceive you. you can't fit EVERYBODY into a racial category because race IS socially constructed and thus while 99% of people fit into the generalized racial categories, there will be discrepancies. The point is that race is a mixture of self-identification with your own background, race, and culture, and how people perceive you.

Perception is based upon skin tone, features, etc. Black Americans who are light-skinned may be lighter than whites, but it's not a paperbag system of racial classification -- those black americans may also have other phenotypical characteristics with other black americans, and more importantly, self-identify as an African American. Those who actually look white can pass but their blood, family history, and background will always be rooted in African American roots.

I think your problem with your confusion is that you want everyone to have a stamp on their forehead telling you what race/ethnicity they belong to you and you're looking for everyone to fit into a pre-made box of race/ethnicity. The truth is that, as social constructs, race isn't a categorization that fits everyone well -- it's an institution to which people loosely or tightly are affiliated to. When there is racism against blacks, asians, or other people of colour, it's not because redneck Timmy hates Bobby. It's 'cuz redneck Timmy hates blacks and you happen to fit his ideal of a black person. There will be people who are black who redneck Timmy will not recognize as black -- that doesn't make the person less black, they are still part of that culture, but they are a different facet of it.

Again I ask -- what the hell is with the thutmose speaks stuff?

Whatever works for you... I don't use words unless "I" know the meaning of it... it mis-leads the person who you are talking to.


Is it your practice to define words yourself for the discussion and then disprove it? Because your definitions are not commonly accepted so to assert them as the foundation for this discussion is rather ludicrous. It's absurd to assert a definition for something so that you can then disprove that something. Usually one starts with accepted truth in order to follow the logic, because otherwise it's simply too easy to poke holes in your argument by arguing that the original definition you're basing your argument on is false. Hence all the people who are simply saying "white supremacy is not equal to racism".

[SunWuKong]

In short,

White = power.

Non-white = powerless.

When a person say they are white they generally mean this.

what is "power"? what is "powerless?

hahhah

anyway, no, at least in my social circles and on this site, that is not what is meant by white and non-white. like i said before, look up the definitions in the dictionary. that's a sufficient definition for most of the conversations on this site. if you choose to use different definitions, that's fine, but for all your rhetorical questions about what "race" is and what a "white" person is, etc etc, you can refer to the dictionary if you want to know the context of the coversations that take place here.


Now... most non-whites don't grasp the depth and deminsion of White supremacy/racism, all they care to do is think some head white person is pulling the strings... but the truth is white supremacy/racism can be practiced by ALL people classified as white... ALL.

Can non-white practice racism?

In very short,

no.

Because non-white people don't have the POWER to practice racism...

hi. welcome to YW. we are not Al Sharpton or Louis Farrakhan.

5.No, I'm a non-white person... what you might call a black person.

well that's great. since you've got a good grasp of what the socially accepted definition of a black person is, you should have a good grasp of what a white person is also. what's the point of your rhetorical questions?

[Thutmose_III]

ok ok Thutmose i think i kind if nearly, barely see where you are coming from but you need to be a tad more clear...
the whole is white supremacy racism thing is a little outdated, racism and white supremacy are two different things, in my view anyway...anyone can be 'racist'...we all show and harbour prejudice towards others, this is based on the fact that we live in a society dictated by white supremacy which i would say is the dominant culture...it is not as simplistic as skin colour orlack of or whatever you are trying to say.

it is not as simple as arguing that 'white' = power and non-white= powerless, there are millions of poeple in this world that are persecuted and victimised everyday that would fit your narrow view of a 'white' person, eg: northern Irish people, certain middle eastern and Eastern European people, North African people..etc etc....
debate has moved on from asserting that 'white' people are racist and non-'white' cant be....i understand that point but to say that ignores internal fighting and prejudice shown between so called 'racial' groups...look at Rwanda..these are all 'black' African people yet one group is comitting 'ethnic cleansing' aka genocide against the other...yet there is no difference in skin colour or whatever...

i would argue against your assertion that we live in a wholly dichotmous world, not everything is classified through binary measures and your presentation of 'facts' like this show how we are caught up in 'white supremacy' (not racism) because it permeates our thought structures and language therefore how we communicate which supports my argument that it is not only 'white' people who practise racism but in fact we are caught up in it due to the nature of the societal structures we live under...which is white supremacy

argh i dont know, i just think we have to be more careful nowadays of making generalised blanket statements
also what are 'Asian' features? i come from two different strands of Asian ancestry, neither of whom look even remotely alike, (Pakistani and Chinese) ??!!1."...this is based on the fact that we live in a society dictated by white supremacy which i would say is the dominant culture...it is not as simplistic as skin colour orlack of or whatever you are trying to say."--- asvenus

Yes that is what I'm saying, not trying to.

Racism is white supremacy because only white people can PRACTICE racism.

Non-white people can't PRACTICE racism...

I think you might have racism confused with prejudice (pre-jugde). I can hate someone all day... but when it come down to racism it's having the POWER to kill them, stav them, poison them, make laws to harm them, etc. because of my hate. Nobody in the universe has shown me this display of POWER but people classified as white.

2."it is not as simple as arguing that 'white' = power and non-white= powerless"--- asvenus

Now when a 500 ton "smart" bomb drop about 6 block from where you're at beacause people classified as white don't agree with your method of dealing with people who commit crimes, then come back to me and say, "it is not as simple as arguing that 'white' = power and non-white= powerless"

3."there are millions of poeple in this world that are persecuted and victimised everyday that would fit your narrow view of a 'white' person, eg: northern Irish people, certain middle eastern and Eastern European people, North African people..etc etc...."--- asvenus

Ok... but people are being mistreated based on COLOR... the only two color classification I know of is BLACK and WHITE. I could be in-correct, are there any other COLOR (like in a crayon box) classification other than BLACK and WHITE?

Are Northern Irish people white or non-white people?

Are Middle Easterner white or non-white people?

Are Eastern Europeaner white or non-white people?

Are North Africans white or non-white people?

4."debate has moved on from asserting that 'white' people are racist and non-'white' cant be....i understand that point but to say that ignores internal fighting and prejudice shown between so called 'racial' groups...look at Rwanda..these are all 'black' African people yet one group is comitting 'ethnic cleansing' aka genocide against the other...yet there is no difference in skin colour or whatever..."--- asvenus

Non-white fighting/aruging/killing other non-whites... but who sponsered the whole confusion?

mmmmm..

Let's look at it this way... "FOR EXAMPLE THE SLAVE SHIP ANOLOGY, THE SLAVE WHO IS ALLOWED TO RUN UP AND DOWN THE DECK AND HAVE PRIVILAGES, AT THE END OF THE DAY HAS TO GO BELOW WHERE THE OTHER SLAVES ARE, DECIDE HE'S GOING TO TAKE A BUCHER KNIFE WITH HIM FROM THE SHIP KITCHEN, AND GOES DOWN AND STABS SOMEBODY... *NON-WHITES* HAVE TO STOP HIM, EVEN WHEN *NON-WHITES* ARE CHAINED, *THEY* HAVE TO DO THE BEST *THEY* CAN TO STOP HIM... BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE BASIC BLAME GOES ON THE CAPTIAN OF THE SHIP BECAUSE..., NOBODY IS SUPPOSE TO IN THIS POSTION IN THE FIRST PLACE... YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE ON THAT SLAVE SHIP IN THE FIRST PLACE"

5."also what are 'Asian' features? i come from two different strands of Asian ancestry, neither of whom look even remotely alike, (Pakistani and Chinese) ??!!"--- asvenus

I don't know you have to ask PropellerheadCP what asian features means.

I hope I answered all questions and statement correctly... but for more input with others ideas/concepts on the matter.

I would suggest the website: www.counter-racism.com

Thank you.

[kitty]

is this thread one giant advertisement for your website?

I think you might have racism confused with prejudice (pre-jugde). I can hate someone all day... but when it come down to racism it's having the POWER to kill them, stav them, poison them, make laws to harm them, etc. because of my hate. Nobody in the universe has shown me this display of POWER but people classified as white.


You're confusing racism with oppression. Racism is the act of making judgements based upon prejudicial thoughts or beliefs. In that way, racism is a form of prejudice, but is not the only form. There is also sexism, classism, ableism, ageism, etc. What you're really arguing is oppression vs. discrimination. Are you saying that non-white people cannot be discriminatory? I agree that non-whites not in power cannot be oppressive (unless in ethnic enclaves, but not in America as a whole), but it's ridiculous to say that they are exempt from being guilty of discriminatory behaviour and practices altogether!

Now when a 500 ton "smart" bomb drop about 6 block from where you're at beacause people classified as white don't agree with your method of dealing with people who commit crimes, then come back to me and say, "it is not as simple as arguing that 'white' = power and non-white= powerless"


Non-white people are makers and keepers of warheads as well.

Ok... but people are being mistreated based on COLOR... the only two color classification I know of is BLACK and WHITE. I could be in-correct, are there any other COLOR (like in a crayon box) classification other than BLACK and WHITE?


As a person of Asian descent, I am highly offended by the idea that you're trying to presuppose that I must be either black or white. I am not black because I do not share the same phenotypic nor cultural and historic similarities to either black Americans or blacks in general. I am not white because I do not share the phenotypic or cultural historic similarities to whites across the world. I, and all people of Asian descent, have a unique history that is in fact markedly different from either blacks or whites, and it's insulting to assume that we must somehow find a spot in your black/white racial paradigm in order to make you feel better about your view of the world.

You seem to be very stuck on black and white as being the only two racial extremes. I ask you, since you are posting on an APA empowerment site -- where do Asian/Asian Americans fit in your schema? Are you trying to spout the idea that we are fundamentally socially black because of our minority status? Or white because of our financial affluence and lack of any ties to the black culture? Or perhaps the truth, that there is at least one other colour in your hypothetical crayon box (which incidentally, is a meaningless analogy, and I have a rather powerful inclination to smash it against a wall) that is neither black nor white, but a rather pleasant and attractive shade of mocha.

Incidentally, the same argument can be made for Middle Easterners, Latinos and other Hispanics, etc.

Non-white fighting/aruging/killing other non-whites... but who sponsered the whole confusion?

The non-whites. Believe it or not, there is a global history that does have nothing to do with whites. As much as it pains me to defend white culture, they are not the be all and end all of historic violence and genocide.

[Thutmose_III]

okay... i'm confused now. all the rhetorical questions are just annoying. what is being asserted? that whiteness doesn't exist?

as i said in my previous post which you must not have read. the idea of racism only coming from social power is outdated. racism is a mindset and is, by definition, prejudicial thought based on race. thus, racism IS possible to be carried out by any person of any race, because it is a series of mental processes rather than an action. oppression, however, can only be carried out by whites, because of the social power involved.

how does one classify as white (or black? or asian?) a lot of it has to do with self-identification. but a lot of it has to do with how others perceive you. you can't fit EVERYBODY into a racial category because race IS socially constructed and thus while 99% of people fit into the generalized racial categories, there will be discrepancies. The point is that race is a mixture of self-identification with your own background, race, and culture, and how people perceive you.

Perception is based upon skin tone, features, etc. Black Americans who are light-skinned may be lighter than whites, but it's not a paperbag system of racial classification -- those black americans may also have other phenotypical characteristics with other black americans, and more importantly, self-identify as an African American. Those who actually look white can pass but their blood, family history, and background will always be rooted in African American roots.

I think your problem with your confusion is that you want everyone to have a stamp on their forehead telling you what race/ethnicity they belong to you and you're looking for everyone to fit into a pre-made box of race/ethnicity. The truth is that, as social constructs, race isn't a categorization that fits everyone well -- it's an institution to which people loosely or tightly are affiliated to. When there is racism against blacks, asians, or other people of colour, it's not because redneck Timmy hates Bobby. It's 'cuz redneck Timmy hates blacks and you happen to fit his ideal of a black person. There will be people who are black who redneck Timmy will not recognize as black -- that doesn't make the person less black, they are still part of that culture, but they are a different facet of it.

Again I ask -- what the hell is with the thutmose speaks stuff?



Is it your practice to define words yourself for the discussion and then disprove it? Because your definitions are not commonly accepted so to assert them as the foundation for this discussion is rather ludicrous. It's absurd to assert a definition for something so that you can then disprove that something. Usually one starts with accepted truth in order to follow the logic, because otherwise it's simply too easy to poke holes in your argument by arguing that the original definition you're basing your argument on is false. Hence all the people who are simply saying "white supremacy is not equal to racism"."I make it so plain that a fool would find it hard to find fault."--- Farrahkan

I find that grasping the concepts/idea of what I've stated... is not hard to the average non-white person. Simply because people classified as white shows them.

In concept "whiteness" (whatever that means) does exist. Because (right now as we speak) people do classify themselves as "white."

Are you a white person?

is this thread one giant advertisement for your website?



You're confusing racism with oppression. Racism is the act of making judgements based upon prejudicial thoughts or beliefs. In that way, racism is a form of prejudice, but is not the only form. There is also sexism, classism, ableism, ageism, etc. What you're really arguing is oppression vs. discrimination. Are you saying that non-white people cannot be discriminatory? I agree that non-whites not in power cannot be oppressive (unless in ethnic enclaves, but not in America as a whole), but it's ridiculous to say that they are exempt from being guilty of discriminatory behaviour and practices altogether!



Non-white people are makers and keepers of warheads as well.



As a person of Asian descent, I am highly offended by the idea that you're trying to presuppose that I must be either black or white. I am not black because I do not share the same phenotypic nor cultural and historic similarities to either black Americans or blacks in general. I am not white because I do not share the phenotypic or cultural historic similarities to whites across the world. I, and all people of Asian descent, have a unique history that is in fact markedly different from either blacks or whites, and it's insulting to assume that we must somehow find a spot in your black/white racial paradigm in order to make you feel better about your view of the world.

You seem to be very stuck on black and white as being the only two racial extremes. I ask you, since you are posting on an APA empowerment site -- where do Asian/Asian Americans fit in your schema? Are you trying to spout the idea that we are fundamentally socially black because of our minority status? Or white because of our financial affluence and lack of any ties to the black culture? Or perhaps the truth, that there is at least one other colour in your hypothetical crayon box (which incidentally, is a meaningless analogy, and I have a rather powerful inclination to smash it against a wall) that is neither black nor white, but a rather pleasant and attractive shade of mocha.

Incidentally, the same argument can be made for Middle Easterners, Latinos and other Hispanics, etc.



The non-whites. Believe it or not, there is a global history that does have nothing to do with whites. As much as it pains me to defend white culture, they are not the be all and end all of historic violence and genocide.(((Shaking my head))) Are you a white person?

[rice cracker]

I think kitty's saying she's not white or black.

[Faithless]

As far as www.counter-racism.com goes, it is superficial and doesn't really offer anything new on the subject of race, nor does it offer any positive solutions to bettering race relations.

It is cute with its overall appearance, but as far as a mainstay on the issue of race, I'd give it a 2.

[Thutmose_III]

I think she's saying kitty's saying she's not white or black.... some people aren't ready to accept the truth... I thought the same things until I started asking questions and coming up with logical answer to my questions. People can take it any kinda way they want to but the fact of the matter is white people are in charge and non-white people (people who is not white) are being controlled them. The key is what do white people do with the power they have? I say to practice white supremacy/racism. I post the website I posted, so that non-whites can find solution to the problem by understanding what white supremacy is and how it works. If you think it is a gimmick then I suggest you go there to prove it wrong... counter-racism science is super precise... one thing you can't do is counter counter-racism... it fails everytime.

white = power

non-white = powerless

(((Shaking my head)))

I see now people are so far from the problem, yet it is staring them right in the face.

As far as www.counter-racism.com goes, it is superficial and doesn't really offer anything new on the subject of race, nor does it offer any positive solutions to bettering race relations.

It is cute with its overall appearance, but as far as a mainstay on the issue of race, I'd give it a 2.The solution to the problem is yourself... counter-racism.com is merely a work/study group... you have to put in your own work.

"If you don't know what white supremacy/racism is and how it works everything else will confuse you."

[rice cracker]

... some people aren't ready to accept the truth... I thought the same things until I started asking questions and coming up with logical answer to my questions. People can take it any kinda way they want to but the fact of the matter is white people are in charge and non-white people (people who is not white) are being controlled them. The key is what do white people do with the power they have? I say to practice white supremacy/racism. I post the website I posted, so that non-whites can find solution to the problem by understanding what white supremacy is and how it works. If you think it is a gimmick then I suggest you go there to prove it wrong... counter-racism science is super precise... one thing you can't do is counter counter-racism... it fails everytime.

white = power

non-white = powerless

(((Shaking my head)))

I see now people are so far from the problem, yet it is staring them right in the face.

The solution to the problem is yourself... counter-racism.com is merely a work/study group... you have to put in your own work.

"If you don't know what white supremacy/racism is and how it works everything else will confuse you."


The problem with your argument is that you are supplying definitions that run counter to the accepted definitions of society. By attaching your own meaning to words and ideas that already exist, and mucking it up with rhetorical questions and hazy hypothesis, you really can't be surprised that people aren't following what you're saying. Having power and no power are not race.

We are ASIAN. I am ASIAN. Your definition of white and black, which seems to be based on one's personality and level of privilege and not history, country of origin, features, all of which define the official meaning of what is is to be Asian, do not apply to me. Because I'm ASIAN. Getting that? ASIAN.

Next time I'm in the north side of town I'll be sure to tell the neighborhood I'm black. I'm sure that will go over real well, and be widely accepted.

[Thutmose_III]

The problem with your argument is that you are supplying definitions that run counter to the accepted definitions of society. By attaching your own meaning to words and ideas that already exist, and mucking it up with rhetorical questions and hazy hypothesis, you really can't be surprised that people aren't following what you're saying.

We are ASIAN. I am ASIAN. Your definition of white and black, which seems to be based on one's personality and level of privilege and not history, country of origin, features, all of which define the official meaning of what is is to be Asian, do not apply to me. Because I'm ASIAN. Getting that? ASIAN.Maybe these audio soundbites might help.

Fuller - White supremacy/racism defined (http://www.counter-racism.com/soundbites/fuller/whitesupremacydefined)

Fuller - words (http://www.counter-racism.com/soundbites/fuller/usingwords.mp3)

[rice cracker]

Maybe these audio soundbites might help.

Fuller - White supremacy/racism defined (http://www.counter-racism.com/soundbites/fuller/whitesupremacydefined)

Fuller - words (http://www.counter-racism.com/soundbites/fuller/usingwords.mp3)

Why do I need words to define words?

[Thutmose_III]

Why do I need words to define words?Good question,

you don't...

I mean when I use words I mainly use them to accurately/truthfully describe what I'm say and/or seeing... so much so everyone, including myself would overstand.

Example: Instead of saying enclave... why not just say houses.

[rice cracker]

Dude, ain't nobody overstanding you.

[Thutmose_III]

Dude, ain't nobody overstanding you....

Any questions? Suggestions?

[applehead]

O.K. but how real is the real dictionary? Is every word truthful? If so, why do I need words to define words?

You might see words maded up everyday... repatriotization act...

"What is real, Define real"

Any questions? Suggestions?

is the color white really white?
is black really black?
what is IS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
can you use pictures to define words?
how "REAL" are pictures?
is a picture really a picture?
is anything real really real?
is something non real really non real?
is there anything real in this world?

by the way, to save you the trouble.
no, i'm not white.

if propellerhead's mom is white because
she's racist.
then does that mean i'm black 'cause
i'm not racist?
and if i was a little bit racist. does that make
me grey?

[kitty]

"I make it so plain that a fool would find it hard to find fault."--- Farrahkan

I find that grasping the concepts/idea of what I've stated... is not hard to the average non-white person. Simply because people classified as white shows them.


wow... the implication that i am a) stupid and b) not a person of colour because i don't "get it" is just astounding.

in case you hadn't noticed -- you have an extremely, unnecessarily complex thought process and argument layout. the main thrust of your assertions involve needless rhetorical questions and questioning people's race/ethnicity/self-identification when they don't agree with you. If you were to simply say "I am in favour of x" and "I am not in favour of y" we would be able to have a discussion. As it is, you harp endlessly about crayola crayons and asking the meaning of every word.

So no, what you actually do is make it so foolish that the fault is plain to see.


Are you a white person?


No, I'm a cat person. They make much better pets than the average white person.

[hooligan]

I'm not Black nor White. I'm not Brown, but I do identify myself as Asian American.

[applehead]

I'm not Black nor White. I'm not Brown, but I do identify myself as Asian American.

well ben. c'mon. dig in!
there's pleny of other colors to choose from.
how about turquoise?
or violet.

[hooligan]

well ben. c'mon. dig in!
there's pleny of other colors to choose from.
how about turquoise?
or violet.
okok, I have a strong affinity for cyan and purple.

[applehead]

okok, I have a strong affinity for cyan and purple.

splendid

[kitty]

... some people aren't ready to accept the truth...


And some people are so caught up in their own self-loathing and hatred for their minority status that they think up endlessly illogical arguments to try and counter that racism with comfortable half-truths and fantastical imaginings, all designed to cushion the inevitable blow of discovering that they will never escape the racism of our society and will always be, first and foremost, in the eyes of White Americans, typecast as the proverbial "n*gger".


I thought the same things until I started asking questions and coming up with logical answer to my questions. People can take it any kinda way they want to but the fact of the matter is white people are in charge and non-white people (people who is not white) are being controlled them. The key is what do white people do with the power they have? I say to practice white supremacy/racism. I post the website I posted, so that non-whites can find solution to the problem by understanding what white supremacy is and how it works. If you think it is a gimmick then I suggest you go there to prove it wrong... counter-racism science is super precise... one thing you can't do is counter counter-racism... it fails everytime.


I understand how racism works. You don't seem to. Because if you did, you would realize that all people are capable of racist/discriminatory thought and practices, and isn't limited to the colour of your skin.


white = power

non-white = powerless

(((Shaking my head)))


Maybe you should try wrinkling your nose like Jeannie, instead, and it might make this definition true!


I see now people are so far from the problem, yet it is staring them right in the face.


Yeah. It's sad. Maybe you should try that dictionary.com suggestion.


The solution to the problem is yourself... counter-racism.com is merely a work/study group... you have to put in your own work.

"If you don't know what white supremacy/racism is and how it works everything else will confuse you."

you proprose an end to racism by... rebelling against the definition of race? Wow... why didn't WE think of that?

The problem is that self-identification is only one part of racial categorization. Society also places you within a racial category by the way it perceives you. If you don't address that perception and work with it as a means of developing your own identity in line with or counter that perception, then you'll always be hung up trying to deny a problem that has been dropped in your lap.

Good question,

you don't...

I mean when I use words I mainly use them to accurately/truthfully describe what I'm say and/or seeing... so much so everyone, including myself would overstand.

Example: Instead of saying enclave... why not just say houses.

awww... did my use of 'ethnic enclave' confuse you?

the long and short of it: because "enclave" does not mean "houses". enclave means enclave. if you wanted a synonym, the closest might be 'den'. but the reason why the english language doesn't consist of only 20 words used repititiously is because meaning is too varied to be summed up in the most pedestrian of vocabulary.

[Larakatya]

Thutmose,
It takes you a while to get to your point, but once you do, it's quite a point of view.

The definition of racism I came to accept following my academic years was that only those who hold the ultimate systemic power are able to be truly Racist (with a capital R). All others who were racially descriminatory were able to be just that, but the word Racism was reserved to reflect the true (if hidden or denied) power of those pulling the strings.

Meaning if a "white" person goes to the Phillips neighborhood(a predominately non-white area) in Minneapolis, yes they can be racially discriminated against, but because ultimately in the macroculture they still benefit from "white privledge" it is not the same thing as Racism which implies that the racially discriminatory system is against you.

HOWEVER, this academic definition is COMPLICATED, and not in common usage, therefore I accept it when people don't get it, and disagree with it. And as I go forth in life it seems to me that the global problems we are facing today stem from American imperialism more so than from Racism. This does not negate the Racist american culture most who post here interact with on a regular basis.

Furthermore, I am still missing what this has to do with telling asian people that they are/aren't white, or "don't get it". I don't understand how this discussion is furthering a dialogue. Mostly it's unintentionally funnyand/ or minorly irritating to watch.

[Thutmose_III]

wow... the implication that i am a) stupid and b) not a person of colour because i don't "get it" is just astounding.

in case you hadn't noticed -- you have an extremely, unnecessarily complex thought process and argument layout. the main thrust of your assertions involve needless rhetorical questions and questioning people's race/ethnicity/self-identification when they don't agree with you. If you were to simply say "I am in favour of x" and "I am not in favour of y" we would be able to have a discussion. As it is, you harp endlessly about crayola crayons and asking the meaning of every word.

So no, what you actually do is make it so foolish that the fault is plain to see.



No, I'm a cat person. They make much better pets than the average white person.Thank for your suggestion...

But looking back on this forum... I find people asking me questions in which I already attempt to answer, over and over and over agian. Just Scroll back and read...

To rap up all thoughts of dis-belief, Ask a white person.

[kimpossible]

Ask us what?

[applehead]

Thank for your suggestion...

But looking back on this forum... I find people asking me questions in which I already attempt to answer, over and over and over agian. Just Scroll back and read...

To rap up all thoughts of dis-belief, Ask a white person.

uh huh. uh huh.
you still didn't answer my questions!

[kitty]

the idea that only white culture can oppress, or in larakatya's view, be Racist (with the capital R, although I dislike this terminology, because while written-wise can be distinguished from "normal racism", is an unwieldy reference in speaking dialogue) is hardly revolutionary, nor all that complicated. All one has to take into account is to distinguish the social power that the white founding fathers of this (and most other developed countries) have created for themselves to realize that every racist action perpetrated by a white person carries with it an implicit historical and social context that is different than if a person of colour perpetrated the same crime.

if a white man were to beat a black man, it carries with it the connotations of slavery, lynchings, the social backing by having a member of the racial elite abusing a member of the racial underclass, etc. if a black man were to beat an asian man, it does not carry with it the same implications. Dealing with social struggle, I would term any act that carries with it the power of social privilege to be 'oppression' because it is no longer one man beating another man, but the symbolic representation of the social upperclass beating down upon a social underclass.

Even in a microcosm of an ethnic enclave in which the people of colour are the numerical majority and wield a certain amount of social power, they don't commit acts of racism in the same historical context. so it might be oppression in the context of that microcosm, it's not really on the same scale as when the attacker is white.

re: ask a white person

are you suggesting that only white people will understand the nonsense that you're spouting? or that only whites have any valid opinions on racial discourse?

[Thutmose_III]

And some people are so caught up in their own self-loathing and hatred for their minority status that they think up endlessly illogical arguments to try and counter that racism with comfortable half-truths and fantastical imaginings, all designed to cushion the inevitable blow of discovering that they will never escape the racism of our society and will always be, first and foremost, in the eyes of White Americans, typecast as the proverbial "n*gger". "OUR" SOCIETY???

Who is this "our" that you speak of?

And looking back... I say the in-evit-able blow was a hard pill to swallow expecially when I was train to think I came from great kings and queens from some land mass called Africa...

I am a n*gger

I stop lying to myself.

I am a n*gger

*AND THE SLAVES ON THOSE BOATS WERE NIGGERS TOO*

But that doesn't mean I will always be a n*gger.

When you go to school do you say you know everything, if you knew everything then why would you be in school, So you must first admit you are dumb in order to get smart.

Smart once agian means having the ability to do the most things.

proverbial "n*gger" speak = Thutmose speaks

I understand how racism works. You don't seem to. Because if you did, you would realize that all people are capable of racist/discriminatory thought and practices, and isn't limited to the colour of your skin.mmmm...

Well OK... I'll take that... it is not skin color... because as I stated some people classified as non-white are actually lighter than people classified as white... it proves to be il-logical.

Maybe you could tell me what motivate people classified as white to mistreat people based on color?

Maybe you should try wrinkling your nose like Jeannie, instead, and it might make this definition true!...



Yeah. It's sad. Maybe you should try that dictionary.com suggestion....



you proprose an end to racism by... rebelling against the definition of race? Wow... why didn't WE think of that?I think the end of racism will be when people start actually seeing people... Not Mexican, Latino, Jews, Black, African, White, etc. Now this is what I think... I or Me not WE.

The problem is that self-identification is only one part of racial categorization. Society also places you within a racial category by the way it perceives you. If you don't address that perception and work with it as a means of developing your own identity in line with or counter that perception, then you'll always be hung up trying to deny a problem that has been dropped in your lap.mmmm... interesting

RACIAL CATEGORY???



awww... did my use of 'ethnic enclave' confuse you?

the long and short of it: because "enclave" does not mean "houses". enclave means enclave. if you wanted a synonym, the closest might be 'den'. but the reason why the english language doesn't consist of only 20 words used repititiously is because meaning is too varied to be summed up in the most pedestrian of vocabulary.Yes it did confuse me and if I wanted to say houses, I could simply say houses.

The use of all the fancy big words (what white folks love to give to us n*ggers :confused: ) is use only to confuse and/or mislead the person you are talking to. That is why people classified as white are the masters of words: Webster's Dictionary

Ask us what?Are you a white supremacist/racist?

[Larakatya]

Uncle?

[rice cracker]

Wait, white people are the only ones that can use "big fancy words?" Black people must be ignant. Never thought that, but one learns something new every day.

Your definition of white and black grows ever lamer.

[kimpossible]

Are you a white supremacist/racist?

How do I determine that?

[rice cracker]

How do I determine that?

Do you look like a crayon?

[Tao]

so question:

in ancient egypt, the pharoah oppressed the jews. there was no influence of ANY european civilizations in africa at that time. the jews however had lighter skin than the egyptians, yet they were the ones that were systematically oppressed. So according to your definition of "white" and "non-white" (in that only white ppl have the power to commit institutional racism), the egyptians would be "white" and the jews would be "non-white".....is that correct? And as a reminder, the egyptians did not commit racist acts because of any european influence, the two areas had almost no contact at all, so you can't say the europeans gave the egyptians the idea or started the whole mess.

[deez nuts]

ooooooohhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

let my people go

[Kuchana]

come again? i don't get this thread? :P

[kimpossible]

come again? i don't get this thread? :P

i'm trying to figure out where i put the crayon

[rice cracker]

I'm a permanent marker.

[SunWuKong]

But looking back on this forum... I find people asking me questions in which I already attempt to answer, over and over and over agian. Just Scroll back and read...

sort of like you asking us what a white person, what an Asian person is, or what "race" means, when you actually already know the answer and when multiple people have already answered you. huh...

[Thutmose_III]

Thutmose,
It takes you a while to get to your point, but once you do, it's quite a point of view.

The definition of racism I came to accept following my academic years was that only those who hold the ultimate systemic power are able to be truly Racist (with a capital R). All others who were racially descriminatory were able to be just that, but the word Racism was reserved to reflect the true (if hidden or denied) power of those pulling the strings.

Meaning if a "white" person goes to the Phillips neighborhood(a predominately non-white area) in Minneapolis, yes they can be racially discriminated against, but because ultimately in the macroculture they still benefit from "white privledge" it is not the same thing as Racism which implies that the racially discriminatory system is against you.

HOWEVER, this academic definition is COMPLICATED, and not in common usage, therefore I accept it when people don't get it, and disagree with it. And as I go forth in life it seems to me that the global problems we are facing today stem from American imperialism more so than from Racism. This does not negate the Racist american culture most who post here interact with on a regular basis.

Furthermore, I am still missing what this has to do with telling asian people that they are/aren't white, or "don't get it". I don't understand how this discussion is furthering a dialogue. Mostly it's unintentionally funnyand/ or minorly irritating to watch.NON-WHITE people... are being subjugated based on color... white people, asian people, black people are nothing more than people who is classified as white, asian, black.

Groups of people,

Logically speaking we are all one group of people,

I was under the impression we're all suspended in the universe on a big land mass called "earth"

So how close is close?

There are no groups just imaginary lines...

White supremacy/racism is not practice in one area on the planet it is a global system... meaning it has no lines.

If a person classified as white is born in china, do that makes that person a chinese?

[kimpossible]

What if we're mixed white and non-white?

[rice cracker]

I knew that. I'm a smart feller.

You're turning TB4000 off again.

He's repulsed, yet compelled. It's the hapa voodoo.

[SunWuKong]

White supremacy/racism is not practice in one area on the planet it is a global system... meaning it has no lines.

you're preaching to the choir. most of us here do not subscribe to the idea that racism is and only is white supremacy. most of us here have the idea that racism is a superset of white supremacy.

[kitty]

"OUR" SOCIETY???

Who is this "our" that you speak of?


i assume you too are from north america. the society of which we share would of course be american society.

no... wait... don't bother, i'll do it for you.

what is america??


And looking back... I say the in-evit-able blow was a hard pill to swallow expecially when I was train to think I came from great kings and queens from some land mass called Africa...


The inevitable blow that no matter how you want to say you 'look past colour' (which is pretty much what this entire thread boils down to... a big "hey, look at me, i'm cool because i don't see race!!"), the fact of the matter is that when people see you, they see an ineloquent man who fits into a certain racial category. that perception creates a link between you and whatever ethnicity you are descendent from (black?) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. if a man (of any colour) walks into a room where you and another african american man are, and you two are arguing over the existence of black vs. white. that man isn't going to say "oh, look, there's a black man, and there's thutmose". he's going to say "oh, look, two n*ggers." (or blacks. or african americans).

To many people, it's a crushing blow to realize that, through no fault of your own, you have been pre-sorted into a certain racial category based upon mass societal perception. To me, all of this 'theory' is a backlash against that fundamental reality.


But that doesn't mean I will always be a n*gger.


Even poor Michael Jackson is still seen by America as a whole as a black man.

Smart once agian means having the ability to do the most things.


No it doesn't. It means you have intellectual ability. The smartest man isn't always the most capable.


Well OK... I'll take that... it is not skin color... because as I stated some people classified as non-white are actually lighter than people classified as white... it proves to be il-logical.

Maybe you could tell me what motivate people classified as white to mistreat people based on color?


Because it is a human quality to generalize and place things and people into categories based upon perceived similarity. Our brains have a massive computational capability, but with that increased mental prowess comes increased awareness of our surroundings. Not even the most powerful biological brains on the planet is able to process all of the information that comes screaming at us from our surroundings. That's why when we walk down the street, we're not focussed on EVERY detail -- over time, our brains have adapted to the sensory overload of just existing (especially in cosmopolitan areas) by making shortcuts in processing and thinking.

Our brain is hardwired to learn through association (and evolutionarily this has many benefits, and less complicated versions of this can be seen throughout nature). If something happens, we associate it with a few environmental characteristics and store it as a generalization. Say, we eat a plant, with purple berries and get sick. Our brain then associates purple berries with illness and we learn to associate those two qualities. We also tend to process our environment by placing things into categories: we see an animal that has four legs and a tail and we call it a dog. Then, any future animal that we see that resembles this first animal is called a dog based upon a few resemblances -- wet noses, snouts, long tails, etc. It's how we avoid spending precious seconds actually stopping to LOOK at everything and figuring out what it is, but categorize things quickly and save our conscious processing power for more relevant things.

So, given that our brain processes information this way, it's no surprise that people will group other people based upon perfunctory physical similarities. If it wasn't colour, it would've been height, nose length, etc. The challenge is to figure out when the associations you are making are invalid -- such as when you see a blue flag and then get hit on the head, to realize that the association is coincidental rather than related.


I think the end of racism will be when people start actually seeing people... Not Mexican, Latino, Jews, Black, African, White, etc. Now this is what I think... I or Me not WE.


Okay, do you also propose an end to cultural uniqueness and a melting pot of global assimilation and sameness?


RACIAL CATEGORY???


Yes. did that one go over your head?


Yes it did confuse me and if I wanted to say houses, I could simply say houses.


Yes, but enclaves is not the same as houses. "ethnic enclave" is a sociology term used to describe a pre-dominantly one-ethnicity neighbourhood. Such as Chinatown, Koreatown, or Harlem, usually one that has been enforced upon incoming ethnicities to group them all in a poorer, more destitute area of town. It is reinforced by the incoming ethnicities because they feel safer in a haven in which they are the majority, even though they are forced to live in the worst areas and subject to the worst care the town provides.


The use of all the fancy big words (what white folks love to give to us n*ggers :confused: ) is use only to confuse and/or mislead the person you are talking to. That is why people classified as white are the masters of words: Webster's Dictionary


Hey, it's not my fault you think my words are 'too big'. They are not fancy, I'm simply using the most appropriate word to convey my meaning. There is such a thing as nuance in linguistics. I suggest you look it up.

And if I am a master of words, I'd rather be that then be so limited in my word choice that when I try to match my wits with another person, I have to stop and ask them to 'dumb down' their vocabulary for me. Words are, after all, the communication of thought. And unsophisticated language results in unsophisticated ideas.

[Thutmose_III]

so question:

in ancient egypt, the pharoah oppressed the jews. there was no influence of ANY european civilizations in africa at that time. the jews however had lighter skin than the egyptians, yet they were the ones that were systematically oppressed. So according to your definition of "white" and "non-white" (in that only white ppl have the power to commit institutional racism), the egyptians would be "white" and the jews would be "non-white".....is that correct? And as a reminder, the egyptians did not commit racist acts because of any european influence, the two areas had almost no contact at all, so you can't say the europeans gave the egyptians the idea or started the whole mess.Yes by my definition they would be systematically white, as I and other might know of now... but the question is "How do YOU know this is true?" By "How" I mean the step by step mechanics.

[SunWuKong]

hey if you don't like the social definition of what a "white" person is, you can say something to the effect of "Supremacy of Persons Whose Phenotype Most Closely Resemble The Majority Of People Who Live In Europe." it's the same idea. or maybe "Caucasian Supremacy".

[kitty]

well the thing about white vs. black -- it's a modern day phenomenon. the egyptians weren't particularly all bent out of shape over the colour thing, probably so much as the religion thing.

they were really into the "hey, build me my damn pyramid, bitch!" stuff.

[DragonKnight]

The use of all the fancy big words (what white folks love to give to us n*ggers :confused: ) is use only to confuse and/or mislead the person you are talking to. That is why people classified as white are the masters of words: Webster's Dictionary
OMG, this is priceless. My parents are fucking immigrants and the words that were used that confused you so much doesn't even faze them. Used only to confuse and/or mislead the person you are talking to? No, they're there to provide a person less confusion. If you don't get the meaning of the word, feel free to step up to a dictionary and learn. That's what my parents did even BEFORE they moved to this country. Ignorance is not an excuse, its something that can be and should be remedied.

Here's a start for you, sonny:
http://www.freedictionary.org/

Sheesh, try being a farmer in a 3rd world country and working your ass up. :rolleyes:

[Thutmose_III]

i assume you too are from north america. the society of which we share would of course be american society.

no... wait... don't bother, i'll do it for you.

what is america?? I don't know.



The inevitable blow that no matter how you want to say you 'look past colour' (which is pretty much what this entire thread boils down to... a big "hey, look at me, i'm cool because i don't see race!!"), the fact of the matter is that when people see you, they see an ineloquent man who fits into a certain racial category. that perception creates a link between you and whatever ethnicity you are descendent from (black?) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. if a man (of any colour) walks into a room where you and another african american man are, and you two are arguing over the existence of black vs. white. that man isn't going to say "oh, look, there's a black man, and there's thutmose". he's going to say "oh, look, two n*ggers." (or blacks. or african americans).

To many people, it's a crushing blow to realize that, through no fault of your own, you have been pre-sorted into a certain racial category based upon mass societal perception. To me, all of this 'theory' is a backlash against that fundamental reality.What do you suggest should be done with a n*gger?




No it doesn't. It means you have intellectual ability. The smartest man isn't always the most capable. O.K. you tell that to Bush... Asian are to be considered the most "smartest" people, yet white people are in control and could wipe them off the map I.E. out-smart them

Because it is a human quality to generalize and place things and people into categories based upon perceived similarity. Our brains have a massive computational capability, but with that increased mental prowess comes increased awareness of our surroundings. Not even the most powerful biological brains on the planet is able to process all of the information that comes screaming at us from our surroundings. That's why when we walk down the street, we're not focussed on EVERY detail -- over time, our brains have adapted to the sensory overload of just existing (especially in cosmopolitan areas) by making shortcuts in processing and thinking.

Our brain is hardwired to learn through association (and evolutionarily this has many benefits, and less complicated versions of this can be seen throughout nature). If something happens, we associate it with a few environmental characteristics and store it as a generalization. Say, we eat a plant, with purple berries and get sick. Our brain then associates purple berries with illness and we learn to associate those two qualities. We also tend to process our environment by placing things into categories: we see an animal that has four legs and a tail and we call it a dog. Then, any future animal that we see that resembles this first animal is called a dog based upon a few resemblances -- wet noses, snouts, long tails, etc. It's how we avoid spending precious seconds actually stopping to LOOK at everything and figuring out what it is, but categorize things quickly and save our conscious processing power for more relevant things.

So, given that our brain processes information this way, it's no surprise that people will group other people based upon perfunctory physical similarities. If it wasn't colour, it would've been height, nose length, etc. The challenge is to figure out when the associations you are making are invalid -- such as when you see a blue flag and then get hit on the head, to realize that the association is coincidental rather than related.So basically what motivate people classified as white to mistreat people based on color is because it's different?


Okay, do you also propose an end to cultural uniqueness and a melting pot of global assimilation and sameness?Sameness or just the same, didn't I say that?



Yes. did that one go over your head?...



Yes, but enclaves is not the same as houses. "ethnic enclave" is a sociology term used to describe a pre-dominantly one-ethnicity neighbourhood. Such as Chinatown, Koreatown, or Harlem, usually one that has been enforced upon incoming ethnicities to group them all in a poorer, more destitute area of town. It is reinforced by the incoming ethnicities because they feel safer in a haven in which they are the majority, even though they are forced to live in the worst areas and subject to the worst care the town provides. ethnic enclaves = people houses



Hey, it's not my fault you think my words are 'too big'. They are not fancy, I'm simply using the most appropriate word to convey my meaning. There is such a thing as nuance in linguistics. I suggest you look it up....

And if I am a master of words, I'd rather be that then be so limited in my word choice that when I try to match my wits with another person, I have to stop and ask them to 'dumb down' their vocabulary for me. Words are, after all, the communication of thought. And unsophisticated language results in unsophisticated ideas."That is why people classified as white are the masters of words"

(((Scratching my head)))

[rice cracker]

Ethnic enclave and people houses are two different things. Dear lord, I just had to type that out.

[DragonKnight]

"That is why people classified as white are the masters of words"

(((Scratching my head))) Good lawd almighty! Kitty must be WHITE!!! :eek:

*gasp, choke, fart!*

(((Scratching my balls)))

[rice cracker]

"That is why people classified as white are the masters of words"

(((Scratching my head)))

That is a racist generalization. You must be white.

[Thutmose_III]

OMG, this is priceless. My parents are fucking immigrants and the words that were used that confused you so much doesn't even faze them. Used only to confuse and/or mislead the person you are talking to? No, they're there to provide a person less confusion. If you don't get the meaning of the word, feel free to step up to a dictionary and learn. That's what my parents did even BEFORE they moved to this country. Ignorance is not an excuse, its something that can be and should be remedied.

Here's a start for you, sonny:
http://www.freedictionary.org/

Sheesh, try being a farmer in a 3rd world country and working your ass up. :rolleyes:Immigrants--- 1. A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.

2. plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist.

Yet we all live in the same universe... I'm a immigrant if I move from one area of the neighborhood to the next... think about it, a country is a land mass inside of another land mass... now who gets to decide if the land mass is a country or not... This reminds me of North America and South America, you got people from America dieing to get in America.

It's not logical

[Larakatya]

This reminds me of North America and South America, you got people from America dieing to get in America.

It's not logical


Well. . .I definately see your second point. . . .


**hair blowing in the breeze of the first point WHIZZING past her head :rolleyes: **

[Thutmose_III]

That is a racist generalization. You must be white.Webster's Dictionary... I suspect webster is classified as white... I don't know, I could be in-correct.

[rice cracker]

It's not logical

Neither is this thread. Yet it goes on.

[Larakatya]

Webster's Dictionary... I suspect webster is classified as white... I don't know, I could be in-correct.

Insert OBVIOUS Emmanual Lewis/Webster comment {HERE}

[DragonKnight]

Yet we all live in the same universe... I'm a immigrant if I move from one area of the neighborhood to the next... think about it, a country is a land mass inside of another land mass... now who gets to decide if the land mass is a country or not... This reminds me of North America and South America, you got people from America dieing to get in America.