What's up with nicknaming one's self "chink"

[Faithless]

In doing a search for "chink's" through googles news web site, I came across an article about one Arthur "Chink" Washington (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/Columnists.nsf/0/A999233EBE99229886256ED300106F40?OpenDocument&Headline=Lankford's+clothes+call+wows+staff+at+Goo dwill+on+Forest+Park).
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SOOOO CLOSE: Name recognition is everything for a politician during election season. No one knows that better this year than 21st Ward Committeeman Arthur "Chink" Washington, a veteran of north St. Louis ward politics. The first run of Chink's bumper stickers told voters "to re-elect Clink Washington."
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And I'm taking it, some dude has taken to the name Mike the Chink Longo (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/Brasher.htm).
Let me try it:

Chotto the chink Matte.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmmm.

Sounds fucking stupid, I'd better not use it.

[deez nuts]

chasiubao_chink_boy

[thaite]

Hot&Chinky

[kitty]

hmmm... is it a reclaiming thing? or a non-asians who get the nickname for a variety of reasons (some racial, some not)?

...kittychinkygirl? :eek:

[TB4000]

hmmm... is it a reclaiming thing? or a non-asians who get the nickname for a variety of reasons (some racial, some not)?

...kittychinkygirl? :eek:
In your case, replace the ch with a k and you might have something there. :wink:

[Irezumi Kiss]

In your case, replace the ch with a k and you might have something there. :wink:
Or she could replace the i with a u....

(nooo, Kitty! Don't shoot me, don't shoot me! Dat be a good thing!)

:tongue:

[SunWuKong]

Or she could replace the i with a u....

(nooo, Kitty! Don't shoot me, don't shoot me! Dat be a good thing!)

:tongue:

kuttygirl?

[kimpossible]

uh... i think he means "chunkygirl"

unless it's like chinkygurl... or kittygurl. maybe kuttygurl. kuttychunkygurl. ooh, that last one made me giggle.

[Irezumi Kiss]

Yeah, I meant "kittychunkygirl"....he he he...

"kuttygirl" sounds like a gang member...

[kimpossible]

Anyhoo

After watching xplotasian's The C Word I'm left wondering how it would be possible for the nickname "Chink" to mean not a slur but a nickname. I'm familiar with how the owner of Chink's Steaks got his nickname and in what period in America the man lived in. But regarding Chottomate's find for the Committeeman, why, or how even, would a guy like that go from "Hi. I'm Arthur to all but my friends call me Chink."


Extremely old example, but a claim that it's a name.
if you researched the name Chink you'll be quite surprised the name as a first name does exist.



Now I'm no expert on names but I've never, EVER heard of Chink as a proper name rooted in some historical European naming convention rather than associated with chink, the slur. I don't care if it's a white guy taking on the name in a good natured way. And before any white people get their knickers in a twist they should keep in mind that I'm the one making these comments and I'm mostly white.

[kitty]

y'all are weird.

[Faithless]

Let's see. The name does not appear in any of these baby name web sites.

http://www.babynames.com/V5/

http://www.babycenter.com/babyname/

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/babynames/

babyzone.com (http://www.babyzone.com/features/content/default.asp?TopicID=30)

Can you imagine:

Baby admirer: Wow! How cute! What's his name?

Parent (proudly): Chink!

Baby admirer: I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend, but I could have sworn you said your son's name is "chink".

Parent: No offense taken. His is Chink. Mine's Shithead, and here are my other kids -- Fuckface, Cumstain, and Dooshbag.

[ChinaLama]

I dunno. I can't imagine a politician taking a deliberately racially offensive nickname; maybe they meant "chink" as in crack, because he's a crack---head. Yeah.

[Faithless]

Obit for Raymond L. Morris survived by Charlene "Chink" Wilson (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1815&dept_id=516618&newsid=12408711&PAG=461&rfi=9)
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He was preceded in death by his parents; a sister, Charlene "Chink" Wilson; and two brothers-in-law, Ernest "Mush" Wilson and Donald Muschany.
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[mr. x]

lets not forget chinks steaks

[Faithless]

Or:

Chink's peak, Jap Road... (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/182919_robert21.html)
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But people who try to justify Jap Roads, Chink's Peaks and Nigger Creeks ought to know there indeed may have been a reason, no matter how well-intentioned or boneheaded.

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Or:
The Chink and Ruth Lounge on a street named Lakeshore somewhere... (http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/local/9112201.htm)
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Or:
Chink Santana (http://www.rapnewsdirect.com/News/2004/07/06/Incs.Lloyd.Southside/#)

[mr. x]

was there seriously a nigger creek? theres no way in hell that could still stand today

[Faithless]

was there seriously a nigger creek? theres no way in hell that could still stand today
State of Nevada (http://water.nv.gov/Adjudications/adj_listing.htm)
Source: ****** CREEK
County: WHITE PINE
Status: CIVIL DECREE.

Somewhere in Kansas... (http://skyways.lib.ks.us/towns/Bennington/vinecreek.html)
Vine Creek ...had been named ****** Creek, but Vine Creek seems to be appropriate because of the heavy growth of vines such as wild grapes, ivy and others. Many small bushes were abundant, including wild raspberry, gooseberry, Strawberry, mulberry and plum. which served as fruit and jelly for the settlers.
It's sort of a laugh to think that if there were anything less than berries there, say poison ivy, the old name might have stood.

Somewhere in Ohio... (http://www.epa.state.oh.us/dsw/storm/SRW_list.html)
Waterbody segment: ****** Creek.
Tributary: Pine Creek.

[mr. x]

did anyone complain?

[Faithless]

Other than the Seattle newspaper article I linked, I don't know.

http://www.co.chelan.wa.us/

I did send an email to the County which has the creek in it, and asked, though. :frown:

[Irezumi Kiss]

was there seriously a nigger creek? theres no way in hell that could still stand today
Hoh! And to think that I was jealous of you guys for having an "Asian" section in Crate & Barrel when I have a whole CREEK to catch crawdads in! Screw going to Niagra Falls this summer!

:wink:

[Shogun Empress]

*listens to the sound of Chink Empress rolling off her tongue*

*shakes head*

[ChaCha]

i dont find chink offensive unless it's thrown at me at an offensive manner. i say chink too.

person1: you got purty eyes chacha.
chacha : yeah theyre chinky ^^

[kitty]

i dont find chink offensive unless it's thrown at me at an offensive manner. i say chink too.

person1: you got purty eyes chacha.
chacha : yeah theyre chinky ^^

yeah, and then one someone overhears that, they wonder why it's okay for you to disrespect yourself like that, but they can't. so they start referring to your chinky eyes too and bam ... we have a problem.

[ChaCha]

yeah, and then one someone overhears that, they wonder why it's okay for you to disrespect yourself like that, but they can't. so they start referring to your chinky eyes too and bam ... we have a problem.


i wasnt disrepecting myself i'm saying chinky eyes are pretty too.

i didnt want to say "yes theyre almond shaped and slightly slanted upwards giving a mysterious look of beauty", chinky is sweet and short and to the point.

[kitty]

i wasnt disrepecting myself i'm saying chinky eyes are pretty too.

i didnt want to say "yes theyre almond shaped and slightly slanted upwards giving a mysterious look of beauty", chinky is sweet and short and to the point.

it's also what people yell when they say 'hey, you fucking chink! die!'... so, yeah you're saying your eyes are pretty, you're also saying that they are 'chinky' which is basically to call yourself a chink.

do you know how many hate crimes victims have that as the last word they ever hear?

[ChaCha]

it's also what people yell when they say 'hey, you fucking chink! die!'... so, yeah you're saying your eyes are pretty, you're also saying that they are 'chinky' which is basically to call yourself a chink.

do you know how many hate crimes victims have that as the last word they ever hear?

like i said in previous post "i dont find chink offensive unless it's thrown at me at an offensive manner".

they could be say die you yellow belly! and if you react to those words negatively racist people will be encouraged to use those words more.

i think the word chink has a negative connotation because so many asians took it so negatively and that encouraged racist people to use it hatefully. If the word wasnt used in a hateful manner it could have had all new meaning to the word.

The way I see it you cant get rid of the word, then change the meaning of it.

and your post regarding giving me 6 months for "my wedding" i'll post as long i'm allowed to.. if you want to end the marriage at 6 months then ban me after 6 months. ChaCha is here to stay as long as she's allowed to voice her opinion.

[kitty]

like i said in previous post "i dont find chink offensive unless it's thrown at me at an offensive manner".


yeah, i find chink offensive under any context, because it was used to often to dehumanize people of chinese descent and rationalize hatred for them. You want to reclaim a word? Why reclaim one that has so much racial history?


they could be say die you yellow belly! and if you react to those words negatively racist people will be encouraged to use those words more.


Yeah, but there's no racist context for the word 'yellow belly'.


i think the word chink has a negative connotation because so many asians took it so negatively and that encouraged racist people to use it hatefully. If the word wasnt used in a hateful manner it could have had all new meaning to the word.


And I think chink has a racist connotation because a bunch of people used that word to refer to chinese people as dogs worthy of murder or denial of basic human dignity.


The way I see it you cant get rid of the word, then change the meaning of it.


Or you could recognize it's original meaning and then use a different word to refer to yourself that acknowledges that some words are historical epithets and better left to rest. No one is trying to remove it from the dictionary, people are trying to say that if you want to refer to yourself, giving other people free license to think that words like 'chink' are okay to use now is not the way to go about it.


and your post regarding giving me 6 months for "my wedding" i'll post as long i'm allowed to.. if you want to end the marriage at 6 months then ban me after 6 months. ChaCha is here to stay as long as she's allowed to voice her opinion.

we were talking about nick cage and his new wife. the original intention of the thread.

[DragonKnight]

Last I checked I haven't really seen other racist terms used like chink has been used...

Nigger's Pass
Wop Hotel
Honky Way
Kike's Peak
Raghead Avenue

Yeah, if any of the above were used there would be hell to pay. But hey, Chink's Steak is all good and gravy. Those asians won't say a damn thing cause they're a passive race. Plus, they don't have the motivation to get their shit together. Hah! Gotta love stereotypes. :rolleyes:

[ChaCha]

yeah, i find chink offensive under any context, because it was used to often to dehumanize people of chinese descent and rationalize hatred for them. You want to reclaim a word? Why reclaim one that has so much racial history?

yeah you took offense in how it was used. Why not change the meaning if you have to deal with the word for all it's existence.

Yeah, but there's no racist context for the word 'yellow belly'.

there is if it's used in a offensive racist manner. when the racist kids at my school called me yellow belly it was well within racist context. meanings and definitions of words are always evolving... do you want to keep chink as a term used to dehumanize people?



And I think chink has a racist connotation because a bunch of people used that word to refer to chinese people as dogs worthy of murder or denial of basic human dignity.

you've proved my point you just stated it's racist cause of how it was used, so use it differently.



Or you could recognize it's original meaning and then use a different word to refer to yourself that acknowledges that some words are historical epithets and better left to rest. No one is trying to remove it from the dictionary, people are trying to say that if you want to refer to yourself, giving other people free license to think that words like 'chink' are okay to use now is not the way to go about it.

can't we make history ourselves by changing the meaning of the word?


we were talking about nick cage and his new wife. the original intention of the thread.

hey it's not me who went O/T first, i normally reply to people's post when they're addressing me and that's what i just did.

What if...the terms were changed...?

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"like i said in a previous post "i don't find nigger offensive unless it's thrown at me at an offensive manner".

they could say die you black belly! and if you react to those words negatively racist people will be encouraged to use those words more.

i think the word nigger has a negative connotation because so many blacks took it so negatively and that encouraged racist people to use it hatefully. If the word wasn't used in a hateful manner it could have had a new meaning to the word...

The way I see it you cant get rid of the word, then change the meaning of it.

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Dang that sounded ugly(in both forms)... :frown:

Nigger is offensive when used offensively but I see blacks and nonblacks using that word to refer to their friends.

I see asian males referring to their friends as "niggaz" and it's not in a hateful context, if people continued to use that word as term of endearment to their friends 20,50,100 years on it will have a positive meaning.

it sounds ugly now... but some people are smart enough to change it.

[kitty]

yeah you took offense in how it was used. Why not change the meaning if you have to deal with the word for all it's existence.


Because you don't. You can blacklist it as an epithet. I only have to deal with the word for all existence if people keep trying to bring it back and reclaim it.


there is if it's used in a offensive racist manner. when the racist kids at my school called me yellow belly it was well within racist context. meanings and definitions of words are always evolving... do you want to keep chink as a term used to dehumanize people?


Yeah, but it wasn't a slur -- well maybe the yellow part. But historically, yellow bellied referred to cowardly people and wasn't used by the plantation owners to refer to their Asian plantation workers or on signs that said 'no chinks allowed'.


you've proved my point you just stated it's racist cause of how it was used, so use it differently.


Yeah... and the person who's listening to you is really making that distinction between how you're using it and how other people are using it?

Now the person talking to you thinks that 'chink' is okay. and walks up to me and says 'hey there, chink, how's it going' but he means me no disrespect, he's just trying to say 'hey there, chinese person, how's it going'.

are you really arguing that that would be okay?


can't we make history ourselves by changing the meaning of the word?


Not unless you plan on tossing out the original history of the word. You can't erase history by saying you want to start over -- it'll always be there. For example -- the word 'niggardly' actually has an etymology in no way relating to 'nigger' (at least not directly)... it actually means 'miserly'. But, people who use the word get a titillating feeling of euphoria because the double entendre now is not only 'miserly' but 'like a nigger'... does it matter what the person was trying to say? does it matter that the cops who shot diallou thought he was reaching for a gun? What matters, in acts of racism, is the perception and not always the intention, because fundamentally, racism is about how you make another person or group feel.


hey it's not me who went O/T first, i normally reply to people's post when they're addressing me and that's what i just did.

That was a push to go back on topic. Not everything is about you. Wouldn't it make more sense that people in a thread about Nick Cage's marriage talking about marriage would be referring to him?

[DragonKnight]

Nigger is offensive when used offensively but I see blacks and nonblacks using that word to refer to their friends.

I see asian males referring to their friends as "niggaz" and it's not in a hateful context, if people continued to use that word as term of endearment to their friends 20,50,100 years on it will have a positive meaning.

it sounds ugly now... but some people are smart enough to change it. So if President Bush decided to change his name to George "Mah Niggaz" Bush, tell me, would African-American's find that offensive? Would that be an postive move? I don't think so. Why? Cause its offensive to the general populance. That and I put some good money that African-American communities around the country would be up in an uproar.

Hell, there was a reason why Jackie Chan's character got jumped in Rush Hour. It wasn't offensive, but it sure wasn't acceptable when some 'chink' decides to use 'nigga'.

ChaCha, if you still don't feel convinced, feel free to drive through Compton, sit your 'chinky' ass on the curb, and scream out 'good afternoon, niggers!' all day long. It's not an offensive use of the word, but I'm betting you won't last 5 seconds out there. :wink:

BTW, my use of the terms 'chinks' and 'nigga' were never meant to be use to offend anyone in particular. But after reading that whole paragraph, it does bring a certain amount of uncomfortable feeling to one's conscious (at least for myself).

[ChaCha]

Because you don't. You can blacklist it as an epithet. I only have to deal with the word for all existence if people keep trying to bring it back and reclaim it.

You are saying dont use the word and just hope and pray that no one else will ever use that word... that's not going to happen.

Like the term nigger it was something completely offensive term before and now there's new and positive meaning in that word as a term of endearment for your friend, if people use the word nigger in a non hateful manner it will no longer be a hateful word for future generations.

Yeah, but it wasn't a slur -- well maybe the yellow part. But historically, yellow bellied referred to cowardly people and wasn't used by the plantation owners to refer to their Asian plantation workers or on signs that said 'no chinks allowed'.

yellow belly is just as offensive as chink if used in a hateful manner.


Yeah... and the person who's listening to you is really making that distinction between how you're using it and how other people are using it?

ok i'll give you an example, you see the term nigger used on tv between 2 black friends can you make the distinction?

Now the person talking to you thinks that 'chink' is okay. and walks up to me and says 'hey there, chink, how's it going' but he means me no disrespect, he's just trying to say 'hey there, chinese person, how's it going'.

are you really arguing that that would be okay?.

'hey there, chinese person, how's it going'. <- that sounds just as odd.
no one ever says "hey there white/black/jewish... person, how's it going".


Not unless you plan on tossing out the original history of the word. You can't erase history by saying you want to start over -- it'll always be there. For example -- the word 'niggardly' actually has an etymology in no way relating to 'nigger' (at least not directly)... it actually means 'miserly'. But, people who use the word get a titillating feeling of euphoria because the double entendre now is not only 'miserly' but 'like a nigger'... does it matter what the person was trying to say? does it matter that the cops who shot diallou thought he was reaching for a gun? What matters, in acts of racism, is the perception and not always the intention, because fundamentally, racism is about how you make another person or group feel.

it will always be there yes, but cant you add a positive history to it and make people of all group feel good instead of corner and label a word to a specific racial group.


That was a push to go back on topic. Not everything is about you. Wouldn't it make more sense that people in a thread about Nick Cage's marriage talking about marriage would be referring to him?

I was already on topic I stated what I knew or heard about Nick Cage in Korea towns, someone addressed me and that was going O/T.

So if President Bush decided to change his name to George "Mah Niggaz" Bush, tell me, would African-American's find that offensive? Would that be an postive move? I don't think so. Why? Cause its offensive to the general populance. That and I put some good money that African-American communities around the country would be up in an uproar.

Hell, there was a reason why Jackie Chan's character got jumped in Rush Hour. It wasn't offensive, but it sure wasn't acceptable when some 'chink' decides to use 'nigga'.

ChaCha, if you still don't feel convinced, feel free to drive through Compton, sit your 'chinky' ass on the curb, and scream out 'good afternoon, niggers!' all day long. It's not an offensive use of the word, but I'm betting you won't last 5 seconds out there. :wink:

BTW, my use of the terms 'chinks' and 'nigga' were never meant to be use to offend anyone in particular. But after reading that whole paragraph, it does bring a certain amount of uncomfortable feeling to one's conscious (at least for myself).

it's not an overnight change.

of course people will take offence to it now, but 20,50,100 years from now, yeah maybe i can bat my pretty chinky eyes and shout hey niggas to a bunch of my friends while in comptom.

[kitty]

You are saying dont use the word and just hope and pray that no one else will ever use that word... that's not going to happen.


No I'm saying, if someone else uses the word, it'll be in that epithet context. Obviously people will use it. Trying to reclaim it is trying to erase it's original meaning. I would rather remember how we were oppressed and move away from it rather than wipe it from our memory by trying to reclaim the language that was used to dehumanize us.


Like the term nigger it was something completely offensive term before and now there's new and positive meaning in that word as a term of endearment for your friend, if people use the word nigger in a non hateful manner it will no longer be a hateful word for future generations.


Yeah... how good is it that white people think they have free license to use the n-word whenever they feel like it, because they attack a "z" to the end? You seem to assume I'm cool with current, hip pop. I'm not.


yellow belly is just as offensive as chink if used in a hateful manner.


Not in a historical context, no. When people use 'chink' and 'nigger' they evoke memories of lynchings and slavery. while it's hurtful when used negatively, as you put it, there are no similar memories. between the two, i would much rather be called 'yellow bellied'.


ok i'll give you an example, you see the term nigger used on tv between 2 black friends can you make the distinction?


yeah. here's the distinction. those two are idiots. i would never use the n-word to refer to anybody of any racial descent. there are too many 'let's cram you people into a slaveship and toss a few of you overboard than take you to another country and make you work 'til you die than i'll sell you' connotations.


'hey there, chinese person, how's it going'. <- that sounds just as odd.
no one ever says "hey there white/black/jewish... person, how's it going".


Yeah, they do so 'hey there, black person, how's it going'... in the form of 'hey there, nigger, how's it going'.


it will always be there yes, but cant you add a positive history to it and make people of all group feel good instead of corner and label a word to a specific racial group.


no. because i plan to never forget how we were oppressed. if you want to think whitey's your best friend now, go ahead. but don't forget that only fifty years ago, they weren't gonna let your 'chinky' ass into the country.


I was already on topic I stated what I knew or heard about Nick Cage in Korea towns, someone addressed me and that was going O/T.

yeah it went off topic. then the talk about the wedding was to bring it back.

[DragonKnight]

it's not an overnight change.

of course people will take offence to it now, but 20,50,100 years from now, yeah maybe i can bat my pretty chinky eyes and shout hey niggas to a bunch of my friends while in comptom. Lordy, I thought I was sheltered...

[ChaCha]

No I'm saying, if someone else uses the word, it'll be in that epithet context. Obviously people will use it. Trying to reclaim it is trying to erase it's original meaning. I would rather remember how we were oppressed and move away from it rather than wipe it from our memory by trying to reclaim the language that was used to dehumanize us.

I'm not saying wipe the history out of our memories, I'm saying add some pleasant memories to it as well, why keep it as a word of dehumanization.


Yeah... how good is it that white people think they have free license to use the n-word whenever they feel like it, because they attack a "z" to the end? You seem to assume I'm cool with current, hip pop. I'm not.

z, s is added to make it plural and people of all race use that word not only white.


Not in a historical context, no. When people use 'chink' and 'nigger' they evoke memories of lynchings and slavery. while it's hurtful when used negatively, as you put it, there are no similar memories. between the two, i would much rather be called 'yellow bellied'.

like i said i didnt say anything about brainwashing out memories, be aware of history and be aware how much has changed and how much can change for the better.

i wouldnt be want to offended racially in any way despite the choice of words

yeah. here's the distinction. those two are idiots. i would never use the n-word to refer to anybody of any racial descent. there are too many 'let's cram you people into a slaveship and toss a few of you overboard than take you to another country and make you work 'til you die than i'll sell you' connotations.

no theyre try to less the hate that's been placed in that word, i dont think dampening hate is stupid.


Yeah, they do so 'hey there, black person, how's it going'... in the form of 'hey there, nigger, how's it going'.

if i saw one 2 people that happen to know each other telling the other "hey nigger where you going?" i would naturally assume they are friends, why would they use the hateful word to a friend?

no. because i plan to never forget how we were oppressed. if you want to think whitey's your best friend now, go ahead. but don't forget that only fifty years ago, they weren't gonna let your 'chinky' ass into the country.

dont forget but forgive. I doubt every Jewish person hates anyone who's German, that would be stupid. It's not 50 years ago now.


yeah it went off topic. then the talk about the wedding was to bring it back.

well when he first posted, that wedding comment wasnt there and the only comment he said was addressed me so I got hindsighted when the wedding comment was added after i posted a reply and confused to if he was referring to my wedding, it's cause my mom has been giving me the marriage talk lately.

[DragonKnight]

well when he first posted, that wedding comment wasnt there and the only comment he said was addressed me so I got hindsighted when the wedding comment was added after i posted a reply and confused to if he was referring to my wedding, it's cause my mom has been giving me the marriage talk lately. Hmm, you get offended thinking that a marriage comment was about you. But you don't give a shit about an offensive racist word that was used to oppress Asians.

Welcome to Yellowworld.org, a message board dedicated to
Asian Advocacy.

[ChaCha]

Last I checked, that wasn't a too popular term in black circles...(those that are educated about the history of the word)...

How educated does one have to be to know the word nigger was once strictly a racial slur to the black slaves in america, all my black friends are aware of that but they're also aware meanings of words change and new words and new definitions are added to the dictionary if it becomes the common place word or definition.

Well, that's why we say:

"Excuse me, sir"...."excuse me, ma'am"....

yeah but you wouldnt call your friends sir and maam.



Kittygirl and Dragonknight already went into that Thutmo--I mean, ChaCha....

enlighten me on Thutmo?

[ChaCha]

Hmm, you get offended thinking that a marriage comment was about you. But you don't give a shit about an offensive racist word that was used to oppress Asians.

Welcome to Yellowworld.org, a message board dedicated to
Asian Advocacy.

hey i'm asian and why would not care about asian advocacy... just 'cause i dont hop along in the lemming trail doesnt mean i dont care.

forums is also a community of people to share and discuss their ideas.

[ChaCha]

Pleasant memories of the c-word? (Yellowface, beatings, dehumanization...) N-word? What have you?

of course no pleasant memories NOW because what's been laid in the past was just pure hate and racism... we are making history here now as we speak.

years on from now people will be writing dissertations on evolution of words and how a word like nigger which symbolized hatred began to symbolize friendship.



Equal oppurtunity racism and dehumanization....making it "safe"?

why is it dehumanization/racism when the word is used in a entirely different light and meaning?




Because those two individuals are copying "hip-hop" slang...which in turn took a historical, demeaning word and made it "mainstream"...

Last I heard that word was back in high school....(black adults that have a little maturity, know better)...

The other time I heard that "friendly" term...was at a college...and the person who said it was a white boy...driving Warp 5 past the bus stop....

acts of racism is outright wrong but we dont need to have words to support those acts of racism too, you cant eradicate the word nigger so change it, so racist people wont be encouraged to use it as a act of hate or better yet wont have words to use in their acts of racism.



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just saying dont brew unnecessary hate now for what's happened in the past.

Educated to know that "nigger" has a history(which you pointed out), and shouldn't be used....

However, since it's in the dictionary(and it's commonplace)....you say you call your "black friends" the n-word?

yes i've seen my black friends call their male friends and siblings nigga when theyre happy or excited to see them or happy about something.

i do have one half black half white poet friend from maryland who doesnt like the word being used but i've seen her use it as well so i am guessing she doesnt mind if it's used in positive context.

[DragonKnight]

acts of racism is outright wrong but we dont need to have words to support those acts of racism too, you cant eradicate the word nigger so change it, so racist people wont be encouraged to use it as a act of hate or better yet wont have words to use in their acts of racism.
Here is an interesting excerpt I found while searching on the origins of 'chink':

The use of the word chink, while controversial is intentionally political in its co-option of racist language to expose its negative impact on culture. Tongue in Cheek, the re-possession of language in this case begins with the etymology of the word chink, which is purportedly a diminutive for "Chinese" but as most asian Americans will tell you, Koreans, Thai people, Japanese people, Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos, and other members of the A/PI community have been potential targets for the word, which racistly assumes that all asian people are/look the same. Hence the cast of chink-o-rama is ethnically diverse and often of mixed race. Other words such as gook, nip, slant, etc are used in the show interchangeably as part of the whole disempowerment and relocation of the images associated with the words.

Interesting I found it on a website called Chink-O-Rama:
http://www.katerigg.com/html/chinkorama.html

Just adding some stuff into this interesting discussion. :biggrin:

[ChaCha]

Interesting I found it on a website called Chink-O-Rama:
http://www.katerigg.com/html/chinkorama.html

Just adding some stuff into this interesting discussion. :biggrin:


haha i'm listening to chinatown right now... i love it ^^
ha i'd love to watch that show.

ha ha so true.
you can find a china town nearly anywhere in the world even in Naples, Italy.

[Thutmose_III]

I have been referred to as a ni**er a lot from where I'm located...

So I came up with a way to handle it.

Ask three question,

1. What is a ni**er?

2. How am I a ni**er?

And the third question is the clicher,

3. What should be done to a ni**er?

(((And I let them talk)))

Cuz really there are three basic things that could be done to a ni**er.

1. Help em'

2. Kill em'

3. Or do nothing

[kitty]

I'm not saying wipe the history out of our memories, I'm saying add some pleasant memories to it as well, why keep it as a word of dehumanization.


Because it is a word of dehumanization. And has been for centuries. You can't just add 'pretty memories' to that form of oppressive language and call it all better -- it will still have those negative connotations.


z, s is added to make it plural and people of all race use that word not only white.


Yeah, and it's still fucked up.


like i said i didnt say anything about brainwashing out memories, be aware of history and be aware how much has changed and how much can change for the better.


Well, things haven't changed. And if you plan on changing the definition of a word, you ARE advocating the erasure of its previous meaning, at least in the present context. I would rather be reminded of how far we have yet to go than to pretend that things are all better.


no theyre try to less the hate that's been placed in that word, i dont think dampening hate is stupid.


I think pretending that YOU using a word in a nice context is 'dampening the hate' is stupid.


if i saw one 2 people that happen to know each other telling the other "hey nigger where you going?" i would naturally assume they are friends, why would they use the hateful word to a friend?


Having been in a situation in which two black men were using the words 'hey nigger' NOT in a friendly manner, let me tell you that it's as much a slur now as it ever was.


dont forget but forgive. I doubt every Jewish person hates anyone who's German, that would be stupid. It's not 50 years ago now.


Fifty years ago was your mother's generation. There are people alive today who were around fifty years ago. That is not a long time.


well when he first posted, that wedding comment wasnt there and the only comment he said was addressed me so I got hindsighted when the wedding comment was added after i posted a reply and confused to if he was referring to my wedding, it's cause my mom has been giving me the marriage talk lately.

and we were supposed to know that how? I mean, come on... not EVERYTHING is about you. It's so illogical to think that people were talking about you when they were talking about weddings... it's almost laughable that you jumped to that conclusion.

How educated does one have to be to know the word nigger was once strictly a racial slur to the black slaves in america, all my black friends are aware of that but they're also aware meanings of words change and new words and new definitions are added to the dictionary if it becomes the common place word or definition.


oh, your black friends say it's okay so it's okay?

Let's see... lynchings, beatings, thievery, not being able to testify in court, government sanctioned murder all culminating in a mindset that can be summed up in the epithets 'nigger' and 'chink'?

How do you expect people to just forget that connotation when you refer to your 'chinky eyes'?

of course no pleasant memories NOW because what's been laid in the past was just pure hate and racism... we are making history here now as we speak.


Do you honestly think that every person in the past who used the word 'nigger' or 'chink' were using it out of racial spite and hatred? Most people used it because that was the term to use, like African American is the term to use now. Doesn't mean that the era wasn't less racist or fucked up. Some people actually meant well when they talked about the 'niggers' -- and yet they still owned slaves.


years on from now people will be writing dissertations on evolution of words and how a word like nigger which symbolized hatred began to symbolize friendship.



Oh, God. the pain.

Friendship? We're all going to unite under the common use of the word 'nigger'?

acts of racism is outright wrong but we dont need to have words to support those acts of racism too, you cant eradicate the word nigger so change it, so racist people wont be encouraged to use it as a act of hate or better yet wont have words to use in their acts of racism.


Actually, people will be more inclined to use these words if they are given license to. If they hear you say 'chinky' they will think it's okay for them to use 'chinky' too, and lo and behold, we're back in the 1800's.

I have been referred to as a ni**er a lot from where I'm located...

So I came up with a way to handle it.

Ask three question,

1. What is a ni**er?

2. How am I a ni**er?

And the third question is the clicher,

3. What should be done to a ni**er?

(((And I let them talk)))

Cuz really there are three basic things that could be done to a ni**er.

1. Help em'

2. Kill em'

3. Or do nothing

are you identifying as a 'nigger' and are you asking us to help you, kill you, or ignore you? what is the point of this post?

[ChaCha]

Kittygurl you keep restating your stance on this and I keep restating mine and we're going in circles...

just wait 50 more years and in due time we'll see some progression or an outcome on this.

just know that the term "cowboy" was once a vulgar term for nomadic blacks who worked as the ranch help when they wanted. moving from one ranch to another.

cowboys were something that white folks looked down on years ago and look now it's now a word to refer to :

1 : one who tends cattle or horses; especially : a usually mounted cattle-ranch hand
2 : a rodeo performer

historically, first cowboys were blacks but now it's just a term to used to all people who tend cattles or horses or a rodeo performer.

but most historically inclined people are still aware of the history behind the term "cowboy".

[kitty]

actually, most people think of john wayne when they think of cowboys. funny how most western movies feature white cowboys, and it's rare to see a black person at all in a western flick.

is that what you're hoping will happen? 'cuz i'd rather remember the original connotations.

[PropellerheadCP]

Why use the effort to "lessen" the hate behind racial slurs? In ideal terms, if we take it out of the English language then in 50 years or so, people won't remember it. Languages evolve with the times. There was a time when the term "chinks" didn't exist.

As with a debate I once had about the "cloning" issue, we are defined by our experiences. Without them, we are without individuality. If that's the case, then how can we simply ignore what has happened in history? Why the hell would anyone call each other "niggaz", when the term in which its derived from, carries to much negativity? Better yet, why the hell would people from from other races us the term to greet each other? How about "brother" or "sister"? That's a lot more positive way of greeting your friends, if they really need to take from terms that were used in "Blaxploitation", in order to sound "cool".

Richard Pryor, who was known to use the term "nigger" for the majority of his comedy acts, went on stage one night and told the audience that he was wrong for doing so. He said that such racial slurs should never be used towards anyone and especially not towards your own race. He realized that by using the term, he was only putting down his fellow African-Americans and also encouraging caucasians to do so. He thought that by using the term he would lessen its negativity. Instead, it only encouraged ignorance.

Not that I disagree with thinking "outside the box" and trying to change the way things are for the better.

[DragonKnight]

are you identifying as a 'nigger' and are you asking us to help you, kill you, or ignore you? what is the point of this post? kittygirl, the point of his post is the same as his existence on this messageboard...worthless. He's a troll. In this instance, ignoring him would be the prudent course of action.

[kitty]

yeah, but why are people trying to use slurs to refer to each other in the first place? Why do they feel the need to use such language... other than that it's taboo?

It's taboo for a reason.

[PropellerheadCP]

Kittygurl you keep restating your stance on this and I keep restating mine and we're going in circles...

just wait 50 more years and in due time we'll see some progression or an outcome on this.

just know that the term "cowboy" was once a vulgar term for nomadic blacks who worked as the ranch help when they wanted. moving from one ranch to another.

cowboys were something that white folks looked down on years ago and look now it's now a word to refer to :

1 : one who tends cattle or horses; especially : a usually mounted cattle-ranch hand
2 : a rodeo performer

historically, first cowboys were blacks but now it's just a term to used to all people who tend cattles or horses or a rodeo performer.

but most historically inclined people are still aware of the history behind the term "cowboy".

Yeah, but now "cowboy" has also become another way for calling people (mostly Caucasians) "lowbrow".
Plus, the "Old West" was never like the "Old West", anyway. Hollywood changed reality and after 100 years, people who don't have any immediate reference to history (well, history's never really been completely accurate in the first place), start believing in what they saw in popular culture. Isn't that just another form of ignorance?

[ChaCha]

actually, most people think of john wayne when they think of cowboys. funny how most western movies feature white cowboys, and it's rare to see a black person at all in a western flick.

is that what you're hoping will happen? 'cuz i'd rather remember the original connotations.


the cowboy life has been glorified and white men wanted credit for it. my point was that it's possible to put new meaning to a word. who know 50 years from now people will glorify the term niggas and ghettos.

i never said anything about replacing or erasing histories ... but change, making history now.

when people say the word ghetto people think it's a black neighborhood but it was really a word referring to poverity stricken areas which the germans forced the jews to live. words are evolving faster than humans.

make it so that racist people no longer have hating words to use against us... if someone called you a cowboy it was racist and hateful in the past... now it's no longer hateful and racist.

Yeah, but now "cowboy" has also become another way for calling people (mostly Caucasians) "lowbrow".
Plus, the "Old West" was never like the "Old West", anyway. Hollywood changed reality and after 100 years, people who don't have any immediate reference to history (well, history's never really been completely accurate in the first place), start believing in what they saw in popular culture. Isn't that just another form of ignorance?

reducing hate is never ignorant. people are still aware about the original cowboys, our school texts books, our history teachers still help people be aware of what's happened in the past, but remember but no need to hold onto something hateful.

no one should ignore the past but no need to beat your head in with it either.

[PropellerheadCP]

the cowboy life has been glorified and white men wanted credit for it. my point was that it's possible to put new meaning to a word. who know 50 years from now people will glorify the term niggas and ghettos.

i never said anything about replacing or erasing histories ... but change, making history now.

when people say the word ghetto people think it's a black neighborhood but it was really a word referring to poverity stricken areas which the germans forced the jews to live. words are evolving faster than humans.

make it so that racist people no longer have hating words to use against us... if someone called you a cowboy it was racist and hateful in the past... now it's no longer hateful and racist.

I disagree with the action, but I agree with the intent. Can there be another way of doing things?

Plus, "ghettos" have never really been glorified. There's a lot of negativity that's carried with that term, even if you use it in the Americanized "hip-hop" definition. Simply because it refers to very poor areas with a lot of crime. In terms of sales, it's the suburban Caucasians who buy into all the hip-hop image, anyway. A lot of people who actually live in the "black ghettos" would rather not perpetuate the stereotype.

[ChaCha]

Why use the effort to "lessen" the hate behind racial slurs? In ideal terms, if we take it out of the English language then in 50 years or so, people won't remember it. Languages evolve with the times. There was a time when the term "chinks" didn't exist.

As with a debate I once had about the "cloning" issue, we are defined by our experiences. Without them, we are without individuality. If that's the case, then how can we simply ignore what has happened in history? Why the hell would anyone call each other "niggaz", when the term in which its derived from, carries to much negativity? Better yet, why the hell would people from from other races us the term to greet each other? How about "brother" or "sister"? That's a lot more positive way of greeting your friends, if they really need to take from terms that were used in "Blaxploitation", in order to sound "cool".

Richard Pryor, who was known to use the term "nigger" for the majority of his comedy acts, went on stage one night and told the audience that he was wrong for doing so. He said that such racial slurs should never be used towards anyone and especially not towards your own race. He realized that by using the term, he was only putting down his fellow African-Americans and also encouraging caucasians to do so. He thought that by using the term he would lessen its negativity. Instead, it only encouraged ignorance.

Not that I disagree with thinking "outside the box" and trying to change the way things are for the better.

honestly being too politically correct is a invisible barrier to segregate people even more...

be politically incorrect sometimes and make fun of it , joke about it, accept we are all humans so therefore diverse, accept our differences, the best revenge is to forgive, not forget and live well and happy.

good example : http://www.katerigg.com/html/chinkorama.html

[kitty]

changing history might as well be erasing it.

re-writing history means that those of the future will no longer remembr it. those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

[ChaCha]

I disagree with the action, but I agree with the intent. Can there be another way of doing things?

Plus, "ghettos" have never really been glorified. There's a lot of negativity that's carried with that term, even if you use it in the Americanized "hip-hop" definition. Simply because it refers to very poor areas with a lot of crime. In terms of sales, it's the suburban Caucasians who buy into all the hip-hop image, anyway. A lot of people who actually live in the "black ghettos" would rather not perpetuate the stereotype.

ghettos have never been redefined positively... if you use it in negative context it will continue to be a negative word.

but words like nigger are evolving out of the negative context, why stop it if it's trying shed it's negative impact.

the best way to or another way that could have been done was glorify the term cowboy in it's originality... i think if the word cowboy hadnt been redefined then but now hollywood would have used black actors not John Wayne. I think we need more minorities influencing the American media.

changing history might as well be erasing it.

re-writing history means that those of the future will no longer remembr it. those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it.

kitty we arent re-writing history or erasing it... we are adding onto it.

like i've said forgive, dont forget , and live well & happy by acceptance.

[PropellerheadCP]

honestly being too politically correct is a invisible barrier to segregate people even more...

be politically incorrect sometimes and make fun of it , joke about it, accept we are all humans so therefore diverse, accept our differences, the best revenge is to forgive, not forget and live well and happy.

good example : http://www.katerigg.com/html/chinkorama.html

That I agree with, but being politically correct/making things taboo isn't what I was stating.
People will always want to rebel against restrictions. It's like shaking a finger at a kid, saying "no, no, no...". In the end, the kid's going to want to do it, for the sake of doing it.

What I mean is trying to find a way to get people to understand the efforts of all those who faught hard, just for us to be looked upon as human. Going back to my Richard Pryor reference: He used the term "nigger" and thought that was fine, until he realized what he was saying.

[ChaCha]

That I agree with, but being politically correct/making things taboo isn't what I was stating.
People will always want to rebel against restrictions. It's like shaking a finger at a kid, saying "no, no, no...". In the end, the kid's going to want to do it, for the sake of doing it.

What I mean is trying to find a way to get people to understand the efforts of all those who faught hard, just for us to be looked upon as human. Going back to my Richard Pryor reference: He used the term "nigger" and thought that was fine, until he realized what he was saying.

Education is best means to make people understand... the best source of educating
masses of people is through having some control of the mass media. If hollywood told the truth everytime there wouldnt be a need for political correct terms 'cause people would know better.

i say forget the politically correctness... we wouldnt even need politically correct words if everyone was educated.

i get frustrated when people fuss about things like someone not being politically correct when the best thing to do confront it from the main source of the problem.

[hooligan]

I don't think it's fair to totally invalidate being politically correct because by saying that doesn't matter is essentially taking out the meter stick that's been measuring any sort of progress you know?

Like the word Chink. Everyone knows it's not right to use the word inappropriately, but if it wasn't politically incorrect can you imagine the ruckus it would cause? There's a reason why things are politically incorrect, it says that our society isn't as far along with equality as we would like.

Basically, if someone never knows something is wrong, why would they ever take the time to understand why something is wrong.

[ChaCha]

I don't think it's fair to totally invalidate being politically correct because by saying that doesn't matter is essentially taking out the meter stick that's been measuring any sort of progress you know?

Like the word Chink. Everyone knows it's not right to use the word inappropriately, but if it wasn't politically incorrect can you imagine the ruckus it would cause? There's a reason why things are politically incorrect, it says that our society isn't as far along with equality as we would like.

Basically, if someone never knows something is wrong, why would they ever take the time to understand why something is wrong.

if everyone stopped fussing about political correctness and got to the source of the problem which is mass education through the media there wouldnt even be a need for politically correct words... but since the minority has very little control over the mass media we still need political correctness, but don't do everyone's heads in by being overly politically correct it only segregrates races.

i hope we get more asians directors, producers, actors, singers, tv show hosts representing hollywood.

hollywood is owning the world.

[hooligan]

if everyone stopped fussing about political correctness and got to the source of the problem which is mass education through the media there wouldnt even be a need for politically correct words... but since the minority has very little control over the mass media we still need political correctness, but don't do everyone's heads in by being overly politically correct it only segregrates races.

i hope we get more asians directors, producers, actors, singers, tv show hosts representing hollywood.

hollywood is owning the world.
We're not there yet, I agree with you, but being more realistic about the situation, the politically correct title is one of the powers that minorities can exert on Hollywood. Can you name me another structure that can change media as much as being politically correct?

[mr. x]

like i said in previous post "i dont find chink offensive unless it's thrown at me at an offensive manner".

they could be say die you yellow belly! and if you react to those words negatively racist people will be encouraged to use those words more.

i think the word chink has a negative connotation because so many asians took it so negatively and that encouraged racist people to use it hatefully. If the word wasnt used in a hateful manner it could have had all new meaning to the word.

The way I see it you cant get rid of the word, then change the meaning of it.

and your post regarding giving me 6 months for "my wedding" i'll post as long i'm allowed to.. if you want to end the marriage at 6 months then ban me after 6 months. ChaCha is here to stay as long as she's allowed to voice her opinion.

lololol

umm we were referin to nick cage's wedding

[PropellerheadCP]

Education is best means to make people understand... the best source of educating
masses of people is through having some control of the mass media. If hollywood told the truth everytime there wouldnt be a need for political correct terms 'cause people would know better.

i say forget the politically correctness... we wouldnt even need politically correct words if everyone was educated.

i get frustrated when people fuss about things like someone not being politically correct when the best thing to do confront it from the main source of the problem.

Exactly.

I hate the whole "politically correctness" thing even more, when people don't even know what it means.

There's a co-worker of mine who made something for our office pot-luck lunch. He said, "I made something ethnic. It's an Indian dish and has... blah, blah, blah... It stinks, but it tastes good."
"How doesn't it stink and taste good at the same time?" I joked.
He turned and semi-whispered, "It smells like Pakistani B.O. There, I was politically correct about it."
I just paused for a while to think about it, then I yelled out, "Dude! There was nothing politically correct about it!"
He was confused and said, "What? I said Pakistani."

It's like saying, "I'm not a racist because I don't use racial slurs."

Like what you stated earlier, it's not always the words, but how you use them. If my co-worker wasn't a racist, then he wouldn't have:
a) said he annouonce that he made something "ethnic", because really it's just food. When I make an Italian dish, I don't say that I made something ethnic. I'm sure he would find it strange if I did.
b) Why use "Pakistani"? Why refer to their how he thinks "Pakistani" people smell like?

He didn't use any racial slurs, but he was equally offensive on several levels.

In another incident, I was introduced to a guy, a few years back, who was half German and half Chinese. His buddy called him a "Viking Chink". I simply laughed. There was no negative use for the term "Chink". That stated, this nickname was not revealed to just anyone, because it can easily be used in a negative way. It was kept only as an inside joke.

Still, there's got to be a way to educate people, rather than censoring.

[ChaCha]

We're not there yet, I agree with you, but being more realistic about the situation, the politically correct title is one of the powers that minorities can exert on Hollywood. Can you name me another structure that can change media as much as being politically correct?

i dont see why we cant have some fair amount of dibs in the media...
let's put all our energy in gaining some control over the media...

having more public asian figures or simply having more asians in our everyday lives outside the stereotype like more asian public school teachers , professors, police men , fireman, politicians etc etc.

the UC schools i've been to, the UC staff doesnt represent the asian majority of students attending the schools, more asian staff members.

so i guess the answer is more asian americans participating in american lives OUTSIDE stereotypes.

[hooligan]

i dont see why we cant have some fair amount of dibs in the media...
let's put all our energy in gaining some control over the media...

having more public asian figures or simply having more asians in our everyday lives outside the stereotype like more asian public school teachers , professors, police men , fireman, politicians etc etc.

the UC schools i've been to, the UC staff doesnt represent the asian majority of students attending the schools, more asian staff members.

so i guess the answer is more asian americans participating in american lives OUTSIDE stereotypes.
the rice ceiling never resonated with you huh?

[ChaCha]

lololol

umm we were referin to nick cage's wedding

yeah i know that now... you edited/ changed topics on me and i got confused.

the rice ceiling never resonated with you huh?


what's a rice ceiling?

c'mon i want to meet ONE asian police man in real life!

but i've met countless asian computer programmers and doctors.

[mr. x]

the problem cha cha is that you know chink can be used a slur and yet you use it on yourself from time to time

could a Jew feel good about having some nazi tell him/her their nose is big and then later say "oh i love my big jew nose"?

and the point is not the word itself being used the point is when someon calls you a slur it shocks you cuz of the hatefulness behind it. thats why a word can never be "reclaimed" by people

say two black guys are joking around "my nigga" this and that and then some confederate flag toting pickup truck drives by and a yokel yells "niggers!" are they sposed to respond "my nigga!" ? the point is the yokel threw hate at them in a drive by

[ChaCha]

...
In another incident, I was introduced to a guy, a few years back, who was half German and half Chinese. His buddy called him a "Viking Chink". I simply laughed. There was no negative use for the term "Chink". That stated, this nickname was not revealed to just anyone, because it can easily be used in a negative way. It was kept only as an inside joke.

Still, there's got to be a way to educate people, rather than censoring.

Viking chink, that is funny :)

Still, there's got to be a way to educate people, rather than censoring.

yeah best thing i've read today, censoring isnt education.

[hooligan]

what's a rice ceiling?

c'mon i want to meet ONE asian police man in real life!

but i've met countless asian computer programmers and doctors.Are you sure you went to UCI? At UCLA there are at least 3 APIA officers.

The rice ceiling (AKA glass ceiling for women) is part of critical race theory. It says that although there are things that APIAs may excel in there are structures in society that suppresses and oppresses APIAs.

One of the most interesting places to observe the rice ceiling is APIA males in media. We may try to keep pushing for more representation in media, but there are things we have to acknowledge keep us down. For example, the main male figures in media are martial arts stars. Now, how about the lovers, dramatic actors the APIA representation in terms of non-martial artists?

Try harder? It's not as though there aren't APIA actors who are waiting for their fair shake. Look at Harlemm Lee and Will Hung. What the hell is wrong with Hollywood?

You still haven't named me a way that APIAs exert power in Hollywood?

[PropellerheadCP]

c'mon i want to meet ONE asian police man in real life!

but i've met countless asian computer programmers and doctors.

Even in Chinatown, Toronto, there aren't a lot of Asians in the police force. There are more than what one would see usually, but still very few. The strange thing is that all of the Chinese dudes that I knew, who wanted to be a cop, all flew back to Hong Kong to be one. Isn't it more dangerous there? Perhaps it's the images that they see in the movies.

Are people really that influenced by entertainment? It would seem like a lot of our problems come from that.

[mr. x]

Even in Chinatown, Toronto, there aren't a lot of Asians in the police force. There are more than what one would see usually, but still very few. The strange thing is that all of the Chinese dudes that I knew, who wanted to be a cop, all flew back to Hong Kong to be one. Isn't it more dangerous there? Perhaps it's the images that they see in the movies.

Are people really that influenced by entertainment? It would seem like a lot of our problems come from that.
they wanna go akimbo :tongue:

[hooligan]

They wanted to be Andy Lau on Infernal Affairs.

[ChaCha]

Even in Chinatown, Toronto, there aren't a lot of Asians in the police force. There are more than what one would see usually, but still very few. The strange thing is that all of the Chinese dudes that I knew, who wanted to be a cop, all flew back to Hong Kong to be one. Isn't it more dangerous there? Perhaps it's the images that they see in the movies.

Are people really that influenced by entertainment? It would seem like a lot of our problems come from that.

i havent met a single asian cop here in irvine during the 5 years i've lived here...
and me and my friends have been stopped my cops numerous times and racial profiling is true and wouldnt exist if asian police men were used for communities that have a large asian population but i'm not going O/T

[mr. x]

i havent met a single asian cop here in irvine during the 5 years i've lived here...
and me and my friends have been stopped my cops numerous times and racial profiling is true and wouldnt exist if asian police men were used for communities that have a large asian population but i'm not going O/T
well out of curiousity how so, did they think

asian girl = bad driver?

[hooligan]

no no, they were like Chacha = in-the-closet racest. HAHA, i'm playing. i love you.

[ChaCha]

Are you sure you went to UCI? At UCLA there are at least 3 APIA officers.

The rice ceiling (AKA glass ceiling for women) is part of critical race theory. It says that although there are things that APIAs may excel in there are structures in society that suppresses and oppresses APIAs.

One of the most interesting places to observe the rice ceiling is APIA males in media. We may try to keep pushing for more representation in media, but there are things we have to acknowledge keep us down. For example, the main male figures in media are martial arts stars. Now, how about the lovers, dramatic actors the APIA representation in terms of non-martial artists?

Try harder? It's not as though there aren't APIA actors who are waiting for their fair shake. Look at Harlemm Lee and Will Hung. What the hell is wrong with Hollywood?

You still haven't named me a way that APIAs exert power in Hollywood?

yes at UCI every counselor or people i met in admin building were white people but i do see asian admins but not enough... you see more asian students than white students, i think it's only fair that ratio is shown in UC staffs.

maybe not enought APIA are fighting the opressors in Hollywood, if enough asian americans fought for their stake in hollywood it's do-able. could be that generally asian parents discourage their children pursueing jobs in Hollywood, they rather have a doctor.

[hooligan]

yes at UCI every counselor or people i met in admin building were white people but i do see asian admins but not enough... you see more asian students than white students, i think it's only fair that ratio is shown in UC staffs.

maybe not enought APIA are fighting the opressors in Hollywood, if enough asian americans fought for their stake in hollywood it's do-able. could be that generally asian parents discourage their children pursueing jobs in Hollywood, they rather have a doctor.
See, I don't agree with your last paragraph. I know a lot of Asian Americans who are trying to get into the show biz. It's hard, it's harder when no one wants you. Not everyone ends up as a doctor.

Oh, and I'M SURE UCI has Asian counselors. That shool is like 55% Asian.

[ChaCha]

the problem cha cha is that you know chink can be used a slur and yet you use it on yourself from time to time

could a Jew feel good about having some nazi tell him/her their nose is big and then later say "oh i love my big jew nose"?

and the point is not the word itself being used the point is when someon calls you a slur it shocks you cuz of the hatefulness behind it. thats why a word can never be "reclaimed" by people

say two black guys are joking around "my nigga" this and that and then some confederate flag toting pickup truck drives by and a yokel yells "niggers!" are they sposed to respond "my nigga!" ? the point is the yokel threw hate at them in a drive by

meanings of words can evolve.

the example with the hick with the confederate flag is cause his history of the word nigga is the history we know now... 50 years from now it may have a different meaning like the word cowboy, so nigga may not be a hate word racist people can use if it means something completely different.

before if a white man told a black man "you cowboy" it was demeaning and racist.

now if a white man tells a black man "you cowboy" it's no longer demeaning and racist.

[golden_buns]

maybe not enought APIA are fighting the opressors in Hollywood, if enough asian americans fought for their stake in hollywood it's do-able. could be that generally asian parents discourage their children pursueing jobs in Hollywood, they rather have a doctor.

I don't think it has to do with parents not letting kids become actors/actresses but rather because of the littlee availability off roles for asians in the big screen. Basically the roles you get to see are quite limited. For men it's mostly geeks or martial artists and for women it's either submissive girl or dragon lady. The roles hardly ever portray the characters having a regular life style just like any other regular american or human being.

I've noticced that things are starting to change little by little though, at least nowdays ssome of the movies show asians on the background being part of the society. I.E Hulk, Spiderman 2, I Robot, etc... We're making progress little by little

[ChaCha]

See, I don't agree with your last paragraph. I know a lot of Asian Americans who are trying to get into the show biz. It's hard, it's harder when no one wants you. Not everyone ends up as a doctor.

Oh, and I'M SURE UCI has Asian counselors. That shool is like 55% Asian.

ok walk into an acting school or drama class, the number of whites in those classes outnumber asians.

yes UCI has Asian counselors barely a handful maybe ... go to the bio sci counseling office, no asian counselors or secretarties.

I don't think it has to do with parents not letting kids become actors/actresses but rather because of the littlee availability off roles for asians in the big screen. Basically the roles you get to see are quite limited. For men it's mostly geeks or martial artists and for women it's either submissive girl or dragon lady. The roles hardly ever portray the characters having a regular life style just like any other regular american or human being.

I've noticced that things are starting to change little by little though, at least nowdays ssome of the movies show asians on the background being part of the society. I.E Hulk, Spiderman 2, I Robot, etc... We're making progress little by little

there isnt enough roles because there arent enough asians in position the provide those roles.

ok i'm not only talking about actors, why not have asian producers to hire more asian actors, asian directors... yeah we're making progress but it could have been faster if more asians directors, producers, and screen writers were in hollywood.

[hooligan]

ok walk into an acting school or drama class, the number of whites in those classes outnumber asians.

yes UCI has Asian counselors barely a handful maybe ... go to the bio sci counseling office, no asian counselors or secretarties.

there isnt enough roles because there arent enough asians in position the provide those roles.

ok i'm not only talking about actors, why not have asian producers to hire more asian actors, asian directors... yeah we're making progress but it could have been faster if more asians directors, producers, and screen writers were in hollywood.
Asian American Pacific Islander Studies!

[ChaCha]

well out of curiousity how so, did they think

asian girl = bad driver?

my asian male friend got a ticket for $115 dollars for jay walking... and the part that pisses me off is that the cop made him put his hand behind his head and crouch down on the floor for it.

[DragonKnight]

i havent met a single asian cop here in irvine during the 5 years i've lived here...
and me and my friends have been stopped my cops numerous times and racial profiling is true and wouldnt exist if asian police men were used for communities that have a large asian population but i'm not going O/T Well, that sucks. I've encountered a lot of Asian cops in Hercules, Vallejo, Oakland, Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, Milpitas, Santa Clara, San Mateo, and in the Los Angeles area. Granted I think I've been around a lot more than you. :tongue:

[hooligan]

my asian male friend got a ticket for $115 dollars for jay walking... and the part that pisses me off is that the cop made him put his hand behind his head and crouch down on the floor for it.
Did you hear about that Wendy's case?

[DragonKnight]

my asian male friend got a ticket for $115 dollars for jay walking... and the part that pisses me off is that the cop made him put his hand behind his head and crouch down on the floor for it. So have you guys filed a complaint yet?

In terms of education, I dunno how it is in Socal but up north at least on the community college level I have seen an increase in Asian-American educators. I've heard the same at the University level.

[ChaCha]

Asian American Pacific Islander Studies!

studies! i thought mean asian american & pacific islanders. but none the less my point.

So have you guys filed a complaint yet?


he says he will, he just got his ticket through the mail.. and the ticket didnt say anything about jay walking something to with felony... dunno i'll ask when i see him again.

[hooligan]

studies! i thought mean asian american & pacific islanders. but none the less my point.
I know that there is a decent Asian American Pacific Islander studies establishment there. Wait... hold up... you actually had a point?

[ChaCha]

Did you hear about that Wendy's case?

i heard wendys got sued and the people who sued won.

I know that there is a decent Asian American Pacific Islander studies establishment there. Wait... hold up... you actually had a point?


yeah not enough asian americans / pacific islanders fighting hollywood opressors to claim their piece of mass media.

[hooligan]

i heard wendys got sued and the people who sued won.




yeah not enough asian americans / pacific islanders fighting hollywood opressors to claim their piece of mass media.
Haha, well now, that's news to me. You don't have any idea what Wendy's case I'm talking about huh?

[ChaCha]

Haha, well now, that's news to me. You don't have any idea what Wendy's case I'm talking about huh?

well if you werent talking about Wendy's diner... no :frown:

[hooligan]

well if you werent talking about Wendy's diner... no :frown:
Haha, dang. What are YOU talking about?

[ChaCha]

Haha, dang. What are YOU talking about?


Wendy's diner was sued several times by black customers saying Wendy's was racist to black customers.

[hooligan]

So, you call yourself a Chink?

[ChaCha]

So, you call yourself a Chink?

I dont call myself a chink, I do have a name, and I'm a mixed asian american... with chinky eyes.

oh shoot me for saying that i have chinky eyes. :eek:

[DragonKnight]

there isnt enough roles because there arent enough asians in position the provide those roles.

ok i'm not only talking about actors, why not have asian producers to hire more asian actors, asian directors... yeah we're making progress but it could have been faster if more asians directors, producers, and screen writers were in hollywood. You have a good point. Do you know anyone that's going into this industry? Are you personally going to be an actress or producer?

I'm pretty sure the lack of an asian presence is partly due to the upbringing of Asian-American families. The pressure towards striving towards success and raising your own family. A couple of friends of mine are in the entertainment industry. They're usually considered to be the black sheep of the family.

The other reason is the discouragement that many of these asian actors, producers, and whats-not go through. Asians with Asian males in particular are NOT the most profitable product. I think you are mistaken about not enough asians in Hollywood. I have friends and associates that work in that industry and trust me, there's a lot of asians there. The key is need, is there a need for asians. Asians are not the most needed commodity, in fact they are the least needed and least profitable commodity. I wish I had a report or statistics to verify this statement but I highly doubt Hollywood would report something like this to the public. But when you think about it, when you play an episode of Friends what is the largest demographic watching?

Caucasians, cause they're the majority.

[golden_buns]

there isnt enough roles because there arent enough asians in position the provide those roles.

ok i'm not only talking about actors, why not have asian producers to hire more asian actors, asian directors... yeah we're making progress but it could have been faster if more asians directors, producers, and screen writers were in hollywood.

Simple, cuz there is no demand for movies with asians being the primary characcters unless it's something stereotypical. Why do you think Charlotte Sometimes or Better Luck Tomorrow are unknown by the mainstream. The average american isn''t ready yet to see asians as part of the mainstream.

By the way, right now I know there's a lot more asian actors and actresses than roles available for them.

[ChaCha]

That's cool, I like to call myself "Hot-Love-Machine." You can call me the same.


ooh me so not horny.

ooh ooh me not so horny.

me lub you not long time.

:wink:

you sexy beast! rarrr!

[DragonKnight]

That's cool, I like to call myself "Hot-Love-Machine." You can call me the same. We need to bring you to Good Hurt again. Apparently you need to see some rump shaking at our favorite Japanese hip-hop club. :biggrin:

[hooligan]

ooh me so not horny.

ooh ooh me not so horny.

me lub you not long time.

:wink:

you sexy beast! rarrr! you're so fucking gross. BARF.

[ChaCha]

You have a good point. Do you know anyone that's going into this industry? Are you personally going to be an actress or producer?

I'm pretty sure the lack of an asian presence is partly due to the upbringing of Asian-American families. The pressure towards striving towards success and raising your own family. A couple of friends of mine are in the entertainment industry. They're usually considered to be the black sheep of the family.

The other reason is the discouragement that many of these asian actors, producers, and whats-not go through. Asians with Asian males in particular are NOT the most profitable product. I think you are mistaken about not enough asians in Hollywood. I have friends and associates that work in that industry and trust me, there's a lot of asians there. The key is need, is there a need for asians. Asians are not the most needed commodity, in fact they are the least needed and least profitable commodity. I wish I had a report or statistics to verify this statement but I highly doubt Hollywood would report something like this to the public. But when you think about it, when you play an episode of Friends what is the largest demographic watching?

Caucasians, cause they're the majority.

c'mon asian americans are smart enough to change the publics mind.

why then can't we target the caucasian market? make em want to see more asians on screen.

[hooligan]

We need to bring you to Good Hurt again. Apparently you need to see some rump shaking at our favorite Japanese hip-hop club. :biggrin:
The Good Hurt is awesome, apparently there's more than just Japanese hip hop there. A lot of good shows go through there. I was listening to NPR and some rock band (the name escapes me) played there the other week. : J I might have gone if I wasn't sofucking busssy.

[ChaCha]

you're so fucking gross.

sorry for being politically incorrect... self proclaimed red hot sex machine.

i was playing around :rolleyes:

[DragonKnight]

c'mon asian americans are smart enough to change the publics mind.

why then can't we target the caucasian market? make em want to see more asians on screen. Economics and marketing, kid. Then there's relating to the product. Asian girl wearing asian clothes don't work. White girl wearing wearing asian clothes do.

Now, the way I see it things are going for a change. Strange enough, Harold and Kumar Goes to White Castle is that possible change. A mainstream movie with Asian male leads? And the movie being successful? This could be something to build up on. I'm personally watching the public's reaction with great interest.

[ChaCha]

I'm sorry Chacha, I ain't gonna jump your bones for all the Banh Mi in Westminster.

i'm so dissappointed *cries*

what about for all the pho?

*crosses fingers*

[DragonKnight]

The Good Hurt is awesome, apparently there's more than just Japanese hip hop there. A lot of good shows go through there. I was listening to NPR and some rock band (the name escapes me) played there the other week. : J I might have gone if I wasn't sofucking busssy. Shiat, no time during the summer? Damn, we need to get you out. Especially before the end of August. Cause I start school @ CSULB. My old decrepit arse is finally returning to school. :rolleyes:

i'm so dissappointed *cries*

what about for all the pho?

*crosses fingers* Get a room you freaks! :wink:

[ChaCha]

Economics and marketing, kid. Then there's relating to the product. Asian girl wearing asian clothes don't work. White girl wearing wearing asian clothes do.

Now, the way I see it things are going for a change. Strange enough, Harold and Kumar Goes to White Castle is that possible change. A mainstream movie with Asian male leads? And the movie being successful? This could be something to build up on. I'm personally watching the public's reaction with great interest.


didnt black hollywood already pave a way for us?

i think we should discuss and study black hollywood and how blacks penetrated the media and we should follow in their footsteps and examples

I think Harold and Kumar is doing just that... Harold and Kumar will do until asians can hold their own in Hollywood.

[DragonKnight]

didnt black hollywood already pave a way for us?

i think we should discuss and study black hollywood and how blacks penetrated the media and we should follow in their footsteps and examples

I think Harold and Kumar is doing just that... Harold and Kumar will do until asians can hold their own in Hollywood. Black Hollywood paved a way, just not the same way they did for Civil Rights. I see black hollywood as being exclusively, black. Same with Latino hollywood.

Man, I think we just went off on a major tangent here... :confused:

[ChaCha]

Black Hollywood paved a way, just not the same way they did for Civil Rights. I see black hollywood as being exclusively, black. Same with Latino hollywood.

Man, I think we just went off on a major tangent here... :confused:


what kind of tv shows, movies did blacks use to capture the white audience in the beginning? and what movies and films are they doing now to capture the white audience now?

blacks have had a head start testing out the white market.

yeah i guess it's O/T.

[kitty]

meanings of words can evolve.

the example with the hick with the confederate flag is cause his history of the word nigga is the history we know now... 50 years from now it may have a different meaning like the word cowboy, so nigga may not be a hate word racist people can use if it means something completely different.

before if a white man told a black man "you cowboy" it was demeaning and racist.

now if a white man tells a black man "you cowboy" it's no longer demeaning and racist.

no... it just doesn't make sense because people have forgotten the rich history of black cowboys.

i repeat, is that what you want? language is an expression of ideas, and it's the way we communicate history. by changing the meanings of words, with complete disregard of their historical meanings is to erase history. it really is that simple.

[hooligan]

It's all right, tangents are kind of ... expected. I think the arguments going in two directions here.

1. Hollywood is doing enough to pick up APIA actors/actresses. Hollywood isn't doing enough ...

2. There are enough APIA actors/actress. There aren't any APIA actors/actresses.

Chacha is all up on Hollywood is doing enough and there aren't enough APIA actors, but I think the majority of us agree that Hollywood isn't doing enough while there are enough APIA actors/actresses.

[kitty]

That's cool, I like to call myself "Hot-Love-Machine." You can call me the same.

get a room.

oh, and chacha, when you say you have chinky eyes, it basically sounds to me like you refer to yourself as a chink. i'm not going to shoot you. you just lost what little respect i had for you.

it's censorship if i'm actively stopping you from saying what you want. you say it. i just think you're a hinderance to the APIA community.

You have a good point. Do you know anyone that's going into this industry? Are you personally going to be an actress or producer?

I'm pretty sure the lack of an asian presence is partly due to the upbringing of Asian-American families. The pressure towards striving towards success and raising your own family. A couple of friends of mine are in the entertainment industry. They're usually considered to be the black sheep of the family.

The other reason is the discouragement that many of these asian actors, producers, and whats-not go through. Asians with Asian males in particular are NOT the most profitable product. I think you are mistaken about not enough asians in Hollywood. I have friends and associates that work in that industry and trust me, there's a lot of asians there. The key is need, is there a need for asians. Asians are not the most needed commodity, in fact they are the least needed and least profitable commodity. I wish I had a report or statistics to verify this statement but I highly doubt Hollywood would report something like this to the public. But when you think about it, when you play an episode of Friends what is the largest demographic watching?

Caucasians, cause they're the majority.

agreed. it's well known among the APIA actors that there are many aspiring APIA actors, but very few parts. Basically, any part that says 'seeking Asian actor', they ALL go for. The problem is that most of these parts ask for stereotypical Asian acting... ranging from geeky asexual, to pidgin english and buck teeth. it's all about what you can stomach -- but since there's so few roles, the problem is that Hollywood never feels any pressure to change because there are enough hungry actors that you'll always find someone willing to sacrifice their dignity for that paycheque.

So no, it's not that there aren't enough actors. It's that all the roles that are non-racial specific go to whites.

what kind of tv shows, movies did blacks use to capture the white audience in the beginning? and what movies and films are they doing now to capture the white audience now?

blacks have had a head start testing out the white market.

yeah i guess it's O/T.

uhm, it's not black hollywood is doing any better getting non stereotypical roles.

[ChaCha]

It's all right, tangents are kind of ... expected. I think the arguments going in two directions here.

1. Hollywood is doing enough to pick up APIA actors/actresses. Hollywood isn't doing enough ...

2. There are enough APIA actors/actress. There aren't any APIA actors/actresses.

Chacha is all up on Hollywood is doing enough and there aren't enough APIA actors, but I think the majority of us agree that Hollywood isn't doing enough while there are enough APIA actors/actresses.

Ok Hollywood caters to what the public wants to see right?

we need to find a way in which the white audience will accept and want to see more asians on screen, as the blacks have before and to meet the demand we need more asian film makers and people who will help with the financial costs.

...


uhm, it's not black hollywood is doing any better getting non stereotypical roles.

they are doing pretty damn well imo.

c'mon cat woman is black now, when do asians get dibs on an asian cat woman?

[kitty]

.... audiences want to see movies with characters they can either laugh at or identify with. black actors fit solidly into that first category... most of them embody one stereotype or another. the difference is that they are being used for their 'essence of cool' by white filmmakers, and hardly getting any more diversity of screentime than any other minority group.

what the hell is with this paved the way bullshit?

[golden_buns]

we need to find a way in which the white audience will accept and want to see more asians on screen, as the blacks have before and to meet the demand we need more asian film makers and people who will help with the financial costs.

As if you care

[ChaCha]

no... it just doesn't make sense because people have forgotten the rich history of black cowboys.

i repeat, is that what you want? language is an expression of ideas, and it's the way we communicate history. by changing the meanings of words, with complete disregard of their historical meanings is to erase history. it really is that simple.

i havent forgotten, my history teachers in highschool hasnt forgotten, just make a movie or documentary called the "The Real Cowboy" and the media is educated, history isnt lost, and the word cowboy hasnt gone back to being a demeaning term.

win win situation.

kitty... no erasing, working on what we have.

[golden_buns]

they are doing pretty damn well imo.

c'mon cat woman is black now, when do asians get dibs on an asian cat woman?

Yeah, and most the famous ones are not the very dark skinned ones.

[ChaCha]

As if you care

you apparently dont.

Yeah, and most the famous ones are not the very dark skinned ones.

do a search on google for black actresses, there are black actresses in all shades.

halle would be famous even if she was white or asian.

[golden_buns]

you apparently dont.


At least I don't pretend I do, and then talk trash about the community


do a search on google for black actresses, there are black actresses in all shades.

halle would be famous even if she was white or asian.

Hmmm...yeah Hale Berry, Beyonce Knowles, etc

[hooligan]

Kanye West was talking about how almost ALL media prefers the lighter-shade black.

[kitty]

i havent forgotten, my history teachers in highschool hasnt forgotten, just make a movie or documentary called the "The Real Cowboy" and the media is educated, history isnt lost, and the word cowboy hasnt gone back to being a demeaning term.



okay. do a survey of your average american and ask them what the first thing that comes to mind is when you say cowboy.

find out how many would say a black man.

there are only a handful of movies starring black cowboys. my boyf, who's into westerns, has seen them all, and forced me to watch a few. trust me, another movie about 'the real cowboy' won't do shit, because cowboy is now, in popular culture, evokes images of white men, who walk funny and like to ride horses.

either people don't know, or they don't care. either way, the roots of the cowboy culture is gone to popular memory.

[ChaCha]

.... audiences want to see movies with characters they can either laugh at or identify with. black actors fit solidly into that first category... most of them embody one stereotype or another. the difference is that they are being used for their 'essence of cool' by white filmmakers, and hardly getting any more diversity of screentime than any other minority group.

what the hell is with this paved the way bullshit?


paved the way for asians to dip into the white market.

so whites want something to laugh at, let em laugh as long as there is profit.
Harold and Kumar are asians that white can laugh at ... let's embody stereotypes if that means getting more asians into the hollywood business.

"essence of cool", we got that... have you seen some of John Woo's film asians have plenty of essence of cool.

and if you pay a visit to your local video store blacks have done well getting screen time.

[kitty]

Yeah, and most the famous ones are not the very dark skinned ones.

yeah. re: halle berry as catwoman. okay, and how many brown sugar references are there when she's on screen?

At least I don't pretend I do, and then talk trash about the community



Hmmm...yeah Hale Berry, Beyonce Knowles, etc

agreed. i'm hard pressed to think of any extremely dark skinned black actresses who are at all as successful as the extremely fair skinned. and MOST of them have to 'look white' (i.e., straightened hair, the usual 36-24-36 build, etc).

[ChaCha]

yeah. re: halle berry as catwoman. okay, and how many brown sugar references are there when she's on screen?

oh shoot them for saying she's a brown and beautiful.

havent you seen movies where the white man refers to a white chick as sugar... "hey sugar".

[golden_buns]

yeah, probably one of the very few that made it was Whoopi Goldberg, but the rest basically have to fall into the 'look white' category

[ChaCha]

At least I don't pretend I do, and then talk trash about the community



Hmmm...yeah Hale Berry, Beyonce Knowles, etc


i'm not pretending i do want more asians to have power in hollywood.

there are countless other black actresses, one of my personal favorite is Nia Long.

but most kids these days only know what they see in MTV and it's pop culture.

[hooligan]

oh shoot them for saying she's a brown and beautiful.

havent you seen movies where the white man refers to a white chick as sugar... "hey sugar".
Who says any of that is correct or right at all?

[kitty]

oh shoot them for saying she's a brown and beautiful.

havent you seen movies where the white man refers to a white chick as sugar... "hey sugar".

yeah, just like if they were referring to an asian girl as 'my chinky eyed beauty'...

oh wait, that would prolly go over well with you too. The point is that she's being racialized. She's not 'the catwoman who happens to be black', she's 'the black catwoman'. And she ain't even black. She's mixed -- and hardly identifies with the black community at all.

i'm not pretending i do want more asians to have power in hollywood.

there are countless other black actresses, one of my personal favorite is Nia Long.

but most kids these days only know what they see in MTV and it's pop culture.

Nia Long hasn't had nearly as much success in Hollywood as other actresses, especially the lighter ones who usually have long, straight hair. (even she has had to straighten her hair for some roles, and she's sure not all that dark).

[PropellerheadCP]

havent you seen movies where the white man refers to a white chick as sugar... "hey sugar".

Yeah, but "sugar" in that case doesn't mean "white and sweet". It's just a generic "sweet".

Some old "Captain America" comics were brought to my attention, on Friday. There was a character there... I think his name was Falcon or something like that. He's one of the first "Token Black" characters in comics. He called everyone "brother" and spoke like he was straight from "blaxploitation" flicks. It's a tell-tail sign that it's written by someone who's Caucasian. Same thing with "brown sugar", in this case. A Caucasian's idea of "black speek".




Anyway, people are forgetting Queen Latifa, who's made it pretty big on the list. She's also full figured and not stick thin, but she's made it on the cover of a lot of fashion magazines. It's a nice step.

[ChaCha]

Who says any of that is correct or right at all?

fine beat my head with political correctness...

actually dont...

i'm gonna go to westminster and enjoy all the pho i want.

[hooligan]

fine beat my head with political correctness...

actually dont...

i'm gonna go to westminster and enjoy all the pho i want.
Racism isn't the only problem with society. There's a lot of sexism around here.

[kitty]

re: pho (damn you, ben!)

^you do that.

Racism isn't the only problem with society. There's a lot of sexism around here.

seriously. and not only here but in hollywood as well. i mean catwoman? one huge objectification of women thinly veiled in pseudo-feminism.

[golden_buns]

Ok Hollywood caters to what the public wants to see right?

we need to find a way in which the white audience will accept and want to see more asians on screen, as the blacks have before and to meet the demand we need more asian film makers and people who will help with the financial costs.

i'm not pretending i do want more asians to have power in hollywood.

So you care =_)

I say ChaCha for President!

[Irezumi Kiss]

Even though I'm coming in late to this party, I just HAD to say to ChaCha...

N word = NO GOOD.

It wasn't good 200 years ago and it won't be good 200 years from NOW. BELIEVE that.

I unconsciously accepted it as it's current inception as a "term of endearment" growing up because my universe was mostly urban Negroid...but as I grew older and my world began expanding to include other kinds of people I began hating hearing it more and more. I only tolerate it now from certain people in a literary function, but to use it casually instead of just saying "person/friend" is an insidious form of laziness.

You can call your eyes "chinky" but is that TRULY describing their beauty of shape...and ancestry? You know, back in the day, it was popular for some Black girls "in da hood" to say that they had "china eyes," because many did, if or if not they had Asian blood in their family tree and it was thought to be a fun way of describing them. To say it that way doesn't sound degrading to me, especially to pair it against saying "chinky," because in that context it references a nation and an identifiable location...but "chinky?" ahhh...I don't think it has the SAME descriptive power, you know?

Words do change over time but I seriously doubt we'll see the elimination of the ROOT of certain destructive, negative words by continuous context use in the forseeable future. Etymology is very powerful and has looong legs. Just be THANKFUL that you don't have to suffer hearing "chink" being spoken 30 times within the space of a minute inside a subway train by afterschool juvenile delinks who don't know any better, crowded with silent, simmering White people (and other non-Asians) who most likely can't wait to get home so they can free themselves from the cloying miasma of uncouth "chinks" who don't know how to act like they have sense. (i.e., substitute "nigga" for "chink" and you'll understand my pain...)

No, those pretty eyes of yours AIN'T chinky at all, dear...

[PropellerheadCP]

re: pho (damn you, ben!)

^you do that.



seriously. and not only here but in hollywood as well. i mean catwoman? one huge objectification of women thinly veiled in pseudo-feminism.

Catwoman was created as a geek's wet dream. Part of a geek's fantasy is an aggressive woman... with a whip no less. She's hardly a character whom I want to see an Asian woman play.
It's going to turn into this:
http://formenmedia.ign.com/formen/image/071504_candacekita_2_1089849869.jpg

[BaiginLong]

ARGHHH
I'll be blunt ChaCha and I don't care if i get censored on YW for this one

You are loaded so full of bs that the dung beetles follow you wherever you go
Saying that Halle Barry would be as famo