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Faithless
07-12-2004, 07:19 AM
Heard this on Bob Brinker's "Money Talk".

For conspiracy theorists, this could signal the Bush administration's desire to "pull-off" some sort of martial law thing to keep the elections from happening for a bit.

Election Day delay options discussed (http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=2025427&nav=EyAzOfwA)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. officials have discussed the idea of postponing Election Day in the event of a terrorist attack on or about that day, a Homeland Security Department spokesman said Sunday.

The department has referred questions about the matter to the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel, said spokesman Brian Roehrkasse, confirming a report in this week's editions of Newsweek magazine.

Newsweek said the discussions about whether the November 2 election could be postponed started with a recent letter to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge from DeForest Soaries Jr., chairman of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission.

The commission was set up after the disputed 2000 presidential vote to help states deal with logistical problems in their elections.

Soaries, who was appointed by President Bush, is a former New Jersey secretary of state and senior pastor of the 7,000-member First Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens in Somerset.

Newsweek reported that Soaries expressed concern that no federal agency had the authority to postpone an election and asked Ridge to ask Congress to give his commission such power.

Ridge warned Thursday that al Qaeda terrorists were planning a large-scale attack on the United States "in an effort to disrupt the democratic process." (Full story)

Ridge said he had no specific or credible information about threats to the political conventions. The four-day Democratic convention kicks off July 26 in Boston, Massachusetts, and the Republican National Convention begins August 30 in New York City.

Ridge also said the nation's color-coded terrorist threat level would remain at yellow, or elevated.

Democratic Rep. Jane Harman of California, ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday that she believes planning for the possibility of postponing Election Day is "excessive, based on what we know."

"Six days ago, the leadership of the House and Senate intelligence committees and leadership of the House and Senate were briefed on these so-called new threats," Harman said on CNN's "Late Edition."

"They are more chatter about old threats, which were the subject of a press conference by Attorney General [John] Ashcroft and [FBI] Director [Robert] Mueller six weeks ago.

"[Ridge] sounded more like an interior decorator talking about what more we can do under the shade of yellow," she said.

The news that such discussions have taken place raised other eyebrows on Capitol Hill as well.

"I don't think there's an argument that can be made, for the first time in our history, to delay an election," said Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, a member of the Intelligence Committee.

"We hold elections in the middle of war, in the middle of earthquakes, in the middle of whatever it takes. The election is a statutory election. It should go ahead, on schedule, and we should not change it."

But the Republican chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Christopher Cox of California, said on "Late Edition" that he sees Ridge's request as part of a prudent effort to plan for "doomsday scenarios."

"We don't have any intelligence to suggest that it is going to happen, but we're preparing for all of these contingencies now," Cox said.

Noting that New York election officials were able to postpone their September 11, 2001, primary election after terrorists slammed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center, Cox said "there isn't any body that has that authority to do that for federal elections."

"So what Secretary Ridge has asked the Justice Department to do is, 'Give me a legal memo, tell me what will be necessary. Do we need to go to Congress and get legislation?' "

What has Homeland Security officials worried is that terrorists could attempt to disrupt the election in the same way that train bombings in Madrid created unrest three days before the Spanish general election, Roehrkasse said.

Although there is no evidence that the bombings influenced the March 11 vote, socialist Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero unseated Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, whose center-right government supported the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

The country's new government then pulled Spanish troops from Iraq.

lethal
07-12-2004, 07:33 AM
Bush might as well declare marshall law with all the freedoms he's taken away in the name of preserving freedom.

Emperor_Mike
07-12-2004, 01:32 PM
It's on CNN and Newsweek. If this is going to lead to other things, truly there will be evil times ahead.

achtungbaby
07-12-2004, 02:31 PM
*slaps the president*

Come on! Don't tell me the only way you can get a headline is from another alert warning!

Chris
07-12-2004, 02:36 PM
oh god what the hell, India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and god know how many other countries goes through this every election. How often do you hear them postponing thier election.

VV o n g B a
07-12-2004, 02:58 PM
given this administration's record, it's pretty difficult to trust them w/ such a touchy subject. but this may not be quite as bad as it sounds. the US military prolly has rudimentary contigency plans to invade every important country on earth but has no plans to put into operation. this may just be a contingency plan.

also, there could be a case made for postponing elections in taiwan after the shooting of president chen. if elections were postponed a bit, chen might have lost the election as he was projected to. same thing with spain and their 3/11 bombing.

if there were a major terrorist incident in the US a day or two before the elections, might not more ppl vote for bush b/c of the initial anger? of course, if there is no incident and the plan is still put into effect, that would throw all my justifications out the window.

Faithless
07-12-2004, 04:04 PM
Is it possible to conceive that Al Qaeda can have that much effect or be that smart to know how to manipulate an election process?

VV o n g B a
07-12-2004, 04:11 PM
Is it possible to conceive that Al Qaeda can have that much effect or be that smart to know how to manipulate an election process?
isn't that exactly what they demonstrated in spain? (w/ some help from spain's idiot prime minister)

Faithless
07-12-2004, 04:29 PM
isn't that exactly what they demonstrated in spain? (w/ some help from spain's idiot prime minister)
Well, one side would argue this.

Another side would say it was the fault of the Spanish administration that was in charge prior to the election. Because the bumbled the investigation of the bombing (or something like that), they lost the election.

rakovlam
07-12-2004, 04:58 PM
How about noooooooooooo!!!! Tom Ridge has a way of saying certain things out loud when he shouldn't and at the same time not say anything when he should. Considering postponing an election is one of those things that only shouldn't be said outloud, it shouldn't even be conceived in the first place.

VV o n g B a
07-12-2004, 05:20 PM
How about noooooooooooo!!!! Tom Ridge has a way of saying certain things out loud when he shouldn't and at the same time not say anything when he should. Considering postponing an election is one of those things that only shouldn't be said outloud, it shouldn't even be conceived in the first place.
what's this? rak actually critisizing a member of the bush administration!? will wonders never cease?! :eek:

rakovlam
07-12-2004, 05:32 PM
what's this? rak actually critisizing a member of the bush administration!? will wonders never cease?!

Now that's done with, I'm waiting for the day you acknowledge there's something in the world Bush DIDN'T fuck up.

I'm a conservative, not a Republican.

VV o n g B a
07-12-2004, 06:15 PM
Now that's done with, I'm waiting for the day you acknowledge there's something in the world Bush DIDN'T fuck up.

I'm a conservative, not a Republican.
keep waiting. anything positive i have to say about bush is really related to changing his mind. his courting of the UN and NATO right now for instance. i'm all for it, but he wouldn't do it if he had a choice.

but don't get me wrong, i don't blindly support kerry. i don't want a tax increase to support more entitlements or tariff increases to "keep" jobs in the US. in fact, if kerry wins and tariffs increase enuf, i'll vote to kick him out. and kerry doesn't have a plan for iraq either. nobody does. i wouldn't care to vote at all in this election except that i want bush out.

kimpossible
07-12-2004, 06:17 PM
For conspiracy theorists, this could signal the Bush administration's desire to "pull-off" some sort of martial law thing to keep the elections from happening for a bit.



I don't think there's anything outlandish about considering that is his actual intent.

Mr.Lum
07-12-2004, 08:12 PM
theyer trying to buil a police state. well, I say this to them, I like America, but not a Republican America. Canada and Sweden are good options in the event of further Republican advances.

kitty
07-12-2004, 09:08 PM
this is the stupidest idea i have ever heard. no wait, that would be the one about the w ketchup. but this is probably second.

lethal
07-12-2004, 09:37 PM
but don't get me wrong, i don't blindly support kerry. i don't want a tax increase to support more entitlements or tariff increases to "keep" jobs in the US. in fact, if kerry wins and tariffs increase enuf, i'll vote to kick him out. and kerry doesn't have a plan for iraq either. nobody does. i wouldn't care to vote at all in this election except that i want bush out.

Actually, Bush seems to be the one increasing tariffs and being more protectionist. He jacked up tariffs on imported steel, on imported furniture from China...

Kerry might talk like a protectionist, but his voting record says that he's more of a free trader.

VV o n g B a
07-12-2004, 10:12 PM
Actually, Bush seems to be the one increasing tariffs and being more protectionist. He jacked up tariffs on imported steel, on imported furniture from China...

Kerry might talk like a protectionist, but his voting record says that he's more of a free trader.
ya, i agree. but edwards certainly talks like a protectionist. hopefully its just election posturing.