Some Lady shouts "NIGGER!"

[onnihs]

I was at Mervynn's today shopping for my gf's aunt's bday present when this caucasian women, probably in her mid-40's, fat, and Jerry Springer-esque, storms through the store shouting something along the lines of:

"That stupid NIGGER!" repeatedly. She finds another employee and yells at her, "That Black clerk is a stupid fucking nigger" and walks furiously towards the exit.

I was becoming pissed off beyond belief. Holding back my angst, I simply muttered to her, "That's not very nice." She turns to me, looks me straight in the eye and shouts again, "No, she's a fucking nigger, seriously!" and storms out the exit. My gf and I, bewildered, glanced at the others staring back at the commotion, shaking our heads in disbelief. We made our purchase and left the building.

It troubles me that such a person still resides in an era of blatant racism, especially one who lives in southern california - an epicenter for multi-ethnic communities. Although I never saw the Black woman the bigot was verbally attacking, I felt immense sympathy for her, and sincerely hoped that she wasn't hurt much by what the bigot was saying.

I have never seen such a thing before. Maybe I'm sheltered. Maybe I naively believed that racist attacks in my home town were close to non-existent... I for one have never been a victim of it.

I was praying to god that the racist woman would say something of my Asian heritage... hopefully she would have said, "STFU stupid chink~!" OMG i would have regulated (verbally, mind you).

[Tao]

uh uh.....punch her in her teeth?

[yoMAMA]

my assumption is that her welfare check arrived late.

[Emperor_Mike]

A sad state of affairs, to be sure. The unenlightened of the world continue to live in the darkness of ignorance while the rest of us bask in the warm glow of social progress.

You should have punched her in the kidneys.

[robotic]

that sort of thing really troubles me.
the fact that she was older, even more.
if such people cannot influence the youth the proper way: what will they grow up to be?

[Faithless]

Should have made sure that the "stupid racist witch" would not be welcome in the store anymore.

Sure she wasn't some local crazy that had no business in the store in the first place?

[Hayie]

Hmm...I can't help but think if the black woman in question actually deserved that out of line remark from that woman. I know in this shituation its easily to believe that the white woman calling the black woman in the store a nigger, that the latter would be the victim. But the way you repeated back the dialogue sort of makes me wonder if the white woman had an actual reason for making herself look like a racist asshat.
Mostly in my experience, and also the fact you mentioned the location being southern california, the black women down here are kinda mean. (Seemingly to only me anyway, I digress) Not like outright, but 5 fives I remember I was walking around and I made eye contact with a black woman and they'd say something akin to "What the fuck are you looking at, bitch?" Not verbatim, but the general gist. Sometimes with both swearwords, sometimes with one, sometimes without but said in a tone that she might as well have swore at me too.

But what I think should've happened is for someone to have stopped the white woman from going out of the store and getting her to point to the black woman in question so they could solve that little disruption and get an apology from (both of) them. I can't help but notice that double standard of a white person calling a black person a nigger and getting called racist, but a black person saying "cracker" and it just slides. :frown:

*sigh* I dunno, I don't suppose I've rooted down my opinion on that firmly enough to point it out, but at least tell me I'm not alone in thinking that.

[jimbo]

Hmm...I can't help but think if the black woman in question actually deserved that out of line remark from that woman. I know in this shituation its easily to believe that the white woman calling the black woman in the store a nigger, that the latter would be the victim. But the way you repeated back the dialogue sort of makes me wonder if the white woman had an actual reason for making herself look like a racist asshat.



Even if the clerk was in the wrong and did something that annoyed the woman then theres still no need for shouting out Nigger in a crowded store, She should of asked to of spoken to the store manager and resolved it that way.

[>:^|]

Gee, Hayie, a justification of racism, a racist generalization and a display of lack of understanding about the unequal power distribution between "nigger" and "cracker" all in one post. You're three for three.

[rakovlam]

uh uh.....punch her in her teeth?

You should have punched her in the kidneys.

I thought we were above this. It's always wonderful to hear people say to me that "my actions will get me beat up", usually refering to black people. Are you people assuming that the proper course of action to a racist is to beat them up?

Like I said, I thought we were above this.

In my experience, black women were never known for their exemplary service, but it still doesn't justify a racial slur. Even if it is an uphill battle to argue with a black woman, on a good day that is what I might do.

[mr. x]

fuckin amazing onnihs, i too would've probly been stunned, probly too stunned to react even. anyway yeah you go to certain areas of california you're bound to see rednecks

and hayie, remember what martin luther king jr. said, its about the color of the character, meaning a a black woman who's got issues has them cuz theres something wrong with her personally and not her race

[kimpossible]

I yell at people that yell at clerks. It's fun and revenge for the years before and during college when I clerked.

[kasia]

It troubles me that such a person still resides in an era of blatant racism, especially one who lives in southern california - an epicenter for multi-ethnic communities.

despite the fact that there are so many ethnic groups in southern california, i have never seen a place so segregated as here. we have latinos, blacks, east asians, southeast asians, etc., but none of these groups seem to actually associate, or even live in, the same neighborhoods as one another. i also see more racism down here, perhaps resultingly, than up in northern california.

regarding the use of the slur, "nigger." i have heard someone say it before as well, and upon commenting on it, i was informed, "well, kasie, some Blacks are respectable people and therefore they are black. others are nothing but niggers." has anyone else heard this before?

[kasia]

I yell at people that yell at clerks. It's fun and revenge for the years before and during college when I clerked.

i don't yell at clerks. i just take their rudeness as a green light for me to take the item without paying :rolleyes:

[onnihs]

despite the fact that there are so many ethnic groups in southern california, i have never seen a place so segregated as here. we have latinos, blacks, east asians, southeast asians, etc., but none of these groups seem to actually associate, or even live in, the same neighborhoods as one another. i also see more racism down here, perhaps resultingly, than up in northern california.

I agree. We're pretty freaking segregated out here. I sure hope that in the future the wide variety of ethnicities in SoCali will learn to be completely tolerant of each other, and hopefully be a model for the rest of the country.

regarding the use of the slur, "nigger." i have heard someone say it before as well, and upon commenting on it, i was informed, "well, kasie, some Blacks are respectable people and therefore they are black. others are nothing but niggers." has anyone else heard this before?

yes, i've heard this before too. I still don't think it justifies the usage, however. The term itself is derogatory, so I believe it would be best if the term were avoided altogether. There's just too thin of a line that seperates the two definitions.

Chris Rock replaces the term "nigger" with the word "ignant" (a derivative of ignorant), which is a far more correct term to use.

[Hiroshi2]

Damn, I've never seen that happen even here in Alabama.



Er, lots of commentary so I didn't bother to read the replies but I'll go back and read it later.

[SunWuKong]

despite the fact that there are so many ethnic groups in southern california, i have never seen a place so segregated as here. we have latinos, blacks, east asians, southeast asians, etc., but none of these groups seem to actually associate, or even live in, the same neighborhoods as one another. i also see more racism down here, perhaps resultingly, than up in northern california.

self-segregation is natural in my own opinion.

[tvbdude]

I don't care what whites and blacks do to each other, just don't be calling me a chink.

today this white bitch quietly muttered chink while riding her bike, I said hey! her boyfriend also on a bike, looked back to see what I wanted. The girl didn't look and made this motion with her hands to keep going. I threw a rock at her and it missed horribly. the boyfriend asked, did you just threw a rock? I said yea. I told them to stay there 3 times and they kept going so I walked away.

[kasia]

yes, i've heard this before too. I still don't think it justifies the usage, however. The term itself is derogatory, so I believe it would be best if the term were avoided altogether. There's just too thin of a line that seperates the two definitions.


oh no, i wasn't advocating its usage. i was pretty appalled that he even tried to justify the slur.

[kasia]

self-segregation is natural in my own opinion.

well, in san francisco, say the richmond district, you'll have whites living next to chinese living next to japanese living next to blacks. it's like that in a lot of areas up north.

down in l.a., though, you'll have the whites in west l.a., the gays in west hollywood, koreans and mexicans in different blocks of koreatown, blacks in inglewood/compton/south central, chinese in san gabriel valley, vietnamese in orange county, japanese in little tokyo/south bay, latinos in east l.a. i've never seen any other place so cleanly segregated.

[DragonKnight]

i've never seen any other place so cleanly segregated. Yeah, that's something I noticed when I first moved down here in Socal.

[Hayie]

Gee, Hayie, a justification of racism, a racist generalization and a display of lack of understanding about the unequal power distribution between "nigger" and "cracker" all in one post. You're three for three.


Hayie = pwned!!1!1!!

:frown:

*koff* Moving on to point by point explanation...or defense, y'know, whichever: As an opening, I want to say that I don't think there is justification for racism. I know that's wasn't anywhere near implied in my previous post mostly due to my potholed lack of articulation which is probably tied to the fact that posting on YW has been exercising my long-dormant debator's muscle which was most likely nearing atrophy before hand, but I'll digress since its a whole 'nother matter. Hell yeah that woman was seriously out of line shouting the n-word around the store like that, and my knee jerk reaction would've probably been something like a kick to the gut. I was not trying to make the woman's use of the n-word justifiable but I just couldn't help airing out my thought that when racism comes into conversation it seemed like white people were -always- the agressors, (the circumstances and context notwithstanding) although not that serious a thought since I've seen that thought itself come up, but it too always looked like it was in jest and never serious, it just crossed my mind and I wondered if anyone else noticed as well.

As for the racist generalization, I'm thinking that its half right and half false. As kasia and onnihs pointed out, southern california IS segregated. And those segregated groups are pretty big, and with any one large group comes up against one another there's usually some friction going on. While those five encounters I mentioned did happen I try to not let it make itself into a guide on how black or any race of women or people are, because my beef was with those five particular women. But those encounters have made me wary and when I don't look and pay attention I fuck up when referencing it. Strictly speaking of my area, which actually just happens to be the local mall, I haven't been able to look at any one group of people even fellow filipinos, in the eye without feeling like I'm being sized up or looked down upon; gazes of which only tend to come from other peers and adolescents. As for the other half, generalizations (racist or otherwise) in and of themselves are poor vehicles to use in discussion in the first place and I apologize for slipping up on that part.

For the last bit, I'm owning up to my lack of understanding of the imbalance between the n-word and the c-word, that statement I was trying to use in illustrating my thought that white people seemed to be the perpetual agressor in racism. ....At the very least any threads that happen to deal with that certain trifle'd be helpful since I've always wondered about those two words.

[Irezumi Kiss]

well, in san francisco, say the richmond district, you'll have whites living next to chinese living next to japanese living next to blacks. it's like that in a lot of areas up north.

down in l.a., though, you'll have the whites in west l.a., the gays in west hollywood, koreans and mexicans in different blocks of koreatown, blacks in inglewood/compton/south central, chinese in san gabriel valley, vietnamese in orange county, japanese in little tokyo/south bay, latinos in east l.a. i've never seen any other place so cleanly segregated.
That kinda amazed me as well when I visited a few years ago. NYC must've spoiled me or something, cuz I expected to find a similar meshing of ethnicities as here when I walked around, but it was like totally opposite. Not in a real "negative" way, but I became a lot more conscious of my "self" being Black walking around "non-Black" areas. Even more so when I was hanging out with my Chinese friend whom I was visiting. No salt was being thrown or anything, but the feeling was different than it was from hanging out here.

It's just so less of that here even though it exists. At least for me personally it is, I know other people have different experiences regardless of locale. My circle is totally mixed and I don't intentionally or even unconsciously segregate myself from other nationalities. A lot of that has to do with the structuring of this city and how it nurtured me since living here from college on up. Had I gone to L.A. for school like I almost did, no doubt I'd be a different kind of fish...

Having said that...that lady must've had some real ballz to scream that out loud...I take it that there weren't any Black people around at the time? If she had said that shit in Detroit...wooooo boy...

[Hiroshi2]

That kinda amazed me as well when I visited a few years ago. NYC must've spoiled me or something, cuz I expected to find a similar meshing of ethnicities as here when I walked around, but it was like totally opposite. Not in a real "negative" way, but I became a lot more conscious of my "self" being Black walking around "non-Black" areas. Even more so when I was hanging out with my Chinese friend whom I was visiting. No salt was being thrown or anything, but the feeling was different than it was from hanging out here.


Wait a minute, I know recently (like maybe the past 15-20 years) NYC has had race riots, I've read and heard about several incidents where black people were beaten up with baseball bats, rocks, etc. while walking through Italian and Irish neighborhoods. You mean you don't think about that in New York?



Having said that...that lady must've had some real ballz to scream that out loud...I take it that there weren't any Black people around at the time? If she had said that shit in Detroit...wooooo boy...



Heh heh down here too, brother, down here too..................



down in l.a., though, you'll have the whites in west l.a., the gays in west hollywood, koreans and mexicans in different blocks of koreatown, blacks in inglewood/compton/south central, chinese in san gabriel valley, vietnamese in orange county, japanese in little tokyo/south bay, latinos in east l.a. i've never seen any other place so cleanly segregated.


Compton? South Central? Do all black people in L.A. live in the ghetto, I had a friend who moved to a place called Altadena a couple of years back, she said it was nice and SAFE, not ghetto like Compton :smile:

[kasia]

Compton? South Central? Do all black people in L.A. live in the ghetto, I had a friend who moved to a place called Altadena a couple of years back, she said it was nice and SAFE, not ghetto like Compton :smile:

no, of course not. i was just naming areas where the majority of the population was of a given race/ethnicity.

[Hiroshi2]

Gotcha.

[Tao]

Wait a minute, I know recently (like maybe the past 15-20 years) NYC has had race riots, I've read and heard about several incidents where black people were beaten up with baseball bats, rocks, etc. while walking through Italian and Irish neighborhoods. You mean you don't think about that in New York?


not really. new york has really changed in regards to the blatant violence stuff going on.....at least from my experiences. I mean obviously there's gonna be a few encounters, but they're usually not violent. but as for racism, i think ppl now a days just hide it better.

[Hiroshi2]

not really. new york has really changed in regards to the blatant violence stuff going on.....at least from my experiences. I mean obviously there's gonna be a few encounters, but they're usually not violent. but as for racism, i think ppl now a days just hide it better.




Nah, I wouldn't trust big-city police departments like NYPD or LAPD, where the cops are just as crooked as the criminals.

[kasia]

do you guys think that, given the fact that we are asian, non-asian minorities expect us to speak on their behalf when racials slurs are used against them?

do you, as an asian-american, feel that you have such a responsibility?

why or why not?

[SunWuKong]

do you guys think that, given the fact that we are asian, non-asian minorities expect us to speak on their behalf when racials slurs are used against them?

do you, as an asian-american, feel that you have such a responsibility?

why or why not?

i don't feel it's a responsibility, but i personally feel compelled to say something when that happens. and you really have to think, if a person yells out "nigger", he'd probably yell out "chink", too.

[Hiroshi2]

Baldwin Hills and Ladera Heights are other socal places that are 'non-ghetto' and have a big black community....

...and are we talking about the socal Altadena? (Next to Pasadena?)

I grew up there....(went to Don Benito school)....

Dang it's been a long times since I've said that name....:D


Yeah she said she lived just outside of L.A.


I guess it's next to Pasadena.


Good point, SWK. Actually it seems like most people would yell out "chink" before they'd yell out "nigger".

[kitty]

i'd say something. or at least i'd like to think i'd say something -- but my past experience has been that i haven't, for a variety (of sometimes legit, sometimes just chickenshit) reasons.

[robotic]

do you guys think that, given the fact that we are asian, non-asian minorities expect us to speak on their behalf when racials slurs are used against them?

do you, as an asian-american, feel that you have such a responsibility?

why or why not?

often, yes. although i'm not asian-american, i grew up in a society where there are people from all over the world.

i feel if a particular individual is not willing to fight off a certain racial slur used against them, then you have the absolute right to stand up and say "this is wrong" or "don't you ever do that again" because, like sunwukong said, they could go around telling it to many others, because no one stopped them. this is not to say that you should trigger off a fight to justify your point, but to be a strong part of the community (and to prevent similar attacks against others), we have to stand up for each other.

[onnihs]

often, yes. although i'm not asian-american, i grew up in a society where there are people from all over the world.

i feel if a particular individual is not willing to fight off a certain racial slur used against them, then you have the absolute right to stand up and say "this is wrong" or "don't you ever do that again" because, like sunwukong said, they could go around telling it to many others, because no one stopped them. this is not to say that you should trigger off a fight to justify your point, but to be a strong part of the community (and to prevent similar attacks against others), we have to stand up for each other.


Well said! And I agree.. we should stand up for each other. Although ethnicities differ greatly from cultures to food to our physical appearances, we're minorities nontheless, living in a great huge salad bowl called the US. Sometimes the small tomatoes and croutons need to stand up against a bullying lettuce. It's simple survival tactics man, survival tactics. Amen.

[Ashen_import]

SWK's right, a lady who's willing to go around slinging a racist slur probably won't hesitate to use another. I think she's just lucky that there weren't any black people in the store, but the whole ordeal would have been something I'd like to have seen.

[ChinaLama]

regarding the use of the slur, "nigger." i have heard someone say it before as well, and upon commenting on it, i was informed, "well, kasie, some Blacks are respectable people and therefore they are black. others are nothing but niggers." has anyone else heard this before?

I heard something like that in Friday After Next.

[mr. x]

chris rock said "love the black people, hate the niggas" and he kinda went into detail about what he meant by niggas

[sii-mon]

unfortunatly in todays society every race is racist towards each other.......not a good trend.....

[Hiroshi2]

regarding the use of the slur, "nigger." i have heard someone say it before as well, and upon commenting on it, i was informed, "well, kasie, some Blacks are respectable people and therefore they are black. others are nothing but niggers." has anyone else heard this before?





Well, yeah.................I mean, you wouldn't really call Colin Powell a "nigger" or "nigga", but what about somebody like Smokey from "Friday" (since ChinaLama brought it up?). I mean, obviously *you* wouldn't call him a "nigger" or "nigga" but he does kinda fit that description, doesn't he?

[Irezumi Kiss]

regarding the use of the slur, "nigger." i have heard someone say it before as well, and upon commenting on it, i was informed, "well, kasie, some Blacks are respectable people and therefore they are black. others are nothing but niggers." has anyone else heard this before?
Puh-LENTY of times...unfortunately this is just used to justify the use of the word on both sides of the fence, which personally I can only tolerate in a literary sense, like in an Walter Mosley novel.

I mean, just try to imagine a world where you'd hear "chink" as MUCH as "nigger" (and all its intentionally misspelled "safe" permutations), as a "term of endearment" by other fellow Asians and possible "chiggers" and "chinkabees"...describing not an upright, Jil Sander suit wearing young lady lawyer type such as yourself but the homeboys standing on the corner scratching their nuts while drinking sugar-saturated beers and calling out all the "bitches" they see within radius of an ass-slap...can't quite visualize THAT kind of universe, eh?

[rocketbunny]

I get chills when I hear that word.

[Chu Chi]

The management of the store should launch an investigation by interviewing ALL the Black people in the store (including Black customers) to find out the origin of the womans comments.

CC

[asvenus]

i agree with SWK and robotic...i think some people get too complacent at times and think oh well its about them not me...completely missing the point and i know in the UK at least racists are not particularly discerning about the slur they call out to people, i was on the bus one time and this drunk white man was calling a group of Vietnamese people niggers, telling them to go home...he got cussed down and thrown off the bus, as the majority of people on the bus were not white!!
me personally i dont give a damn, prejudice is prejudice...something i cannot abide regardless of my origins

[truMp]

In my experience while living in southern califonira, I have been a victim of several racial slurrings. It's hard to believe that there are still so many bigots that exist in this world, especially where I live which is basically an "asian community bubble". Although, those who usually attacked my family and I were ignorant children or hateful senior citizens, but trust me they got what they were asking for :D.

Anyways, shouting the "n-word" in a crowded store is just inappropriate. Should have punched her Onnihs, but it's alll good.

[Mr.Lum]

regarding the use of the slur, "nigger." i have heard someone say it before as well, and upon commenting on it, i was informed, "well, kasie, some Blacks are respectable people and therefore they are black. others are nothing but niggers." has anyone else heard this before?

My grandpa used to say something like that about Chinese people, "you have your Chinese, good hardworkin folks and then you have Chinks, kind of folks who steal cars and steal business from Chinese"

[Kris]

anybody see the trend of the "nigger" word being used by young kids today? like on my street (theres blacks, hispanics, asians), the word gets thrown around by all groups and its not meant in a discriminatory way.

[truMp]

anybody see the trend of the "nigger" word being used by young kids today? like on my street (theres blacks, hispanics, asians), the word gets thrown around by all groups and its not meant in a discriminatory way.

yup, it's quite common now. Even I will come to use it, not in a derogatory way though of course.

[nonamerasian]

anybody see the trend of the "nigger" word being used by young kids today? like on my street (theres blacks, hispanics, asians), the word gets thrown around by all groups and its not meant in a discriminatory way.

Sometimes I wonder if my youngest neices and nephews are aquainted with the negative definition of the word. Whether they are aware of it as a racial term.

That's altered my point of view on the word a teeny-bit.

[Irezumi Kiss]

anybody see the trend of the "nigger" word being used by young kids today? like on my street (theres blacks, hispanics, asians), the word gets thrown around by all groups and its not meant in a discriminatory way.
It still trips me out to hear Asians using it like that, which isn't terribly often, but still...man, I wigged out when I heard it in a Korean hip-hop song while picking up lunch in a dosirak joint one day and I perked up like, "WTF?!?!" When people talk about the benefits cross-cultural pollinatization theory, I'm sure they didn't think about this shit!

Sometimes I wonder if my youngest neices and nephews are aquainted with the negative definition of the word. Whether they are aware of it as a racial term.

That's altered my point of view on the word a teeny-bit.
It's possible that as they get older the unavoidable ugliness of the word will become apparent. I know when I was a youngin' and my world was mostly Black-centric, constant use of it from others around me sort of made me inured to it. With having grown into my adult life and having my circles being multiracially mixed, hearing it being said now is like seeing a glaring, red beacon being blasted in your face until you can't think anymore.

[Hiroshi2]

I hear nigga all day. I use it all day. Whatever. I never hardly ever hear nigger cause if I did whoever said it would get their ass beat.



I guess I'm "inured" to it as Irezumi said *shrugs*

[MoniqueSP]

I hate that word! I hate it when blacks use it and I hate it when whites or anybody else uses it! I'll NEVER forget the funniest thing I ever saw was when I was at the beach with one of my girlfriends. This dumb stupid racist blonde girl bumps into her and calls her that word like it's HER fault! My girlfriend wasn't going to take that s**t from her and they get into a fight. My friend ended up ripping both parts of that bitch's bikini off and strips her naked in front of a crowd of people. She ran off the beach and down the street naked and screaming and everybody on the beach, both black AND white were laughing thier asses off at her! That should happen to every one who uses that word!

[Grasshopper]

"That stupid NIGGER!"

"That Black clerk is a stupid fucking nigger"

"That Black clerk is a stupid fucking nigger"
Sounds like rap lyrics to me. :biggrin:

"OMG i would have regulated"
Regulated? What is that, your attempt at ebonics?? :eek:

"this caucasian women, probably in her mid-40's, fat, and Jerry Springer-esque "
Well if she was a "Jerry Springer-esque" White woman she probably would have had a kid out of wedlock by some black guy and she would be fighting it out on stage with some other woman over "her man."

I hate that word! I hate it when blacks use it and I hate it when whites or anybody else uses it! I'll NEVER forget the funniest thing I ever saw was when I was at the beach with one of my girlfriends. This dumb stupid racist blonde girl bumps into her and calls her that word like it's HER fault! My girlfriend wasn't going to take that s**t from her and they get into a fight. My friend ended up ripping both parts of that bitch's bikini off and strips her naked in front of a crowd of people. She ran off the beach and down the street naked and screaming and everybody on the beach, both black AND white were laughing thier asses off at her! That should happen to every one who uses that word!
Why do so many message board posters invent stories that express some kind of imaginary retaliatory revenge against the people they envy and resent most?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

The end of the month is approaching, trolling quotas must be due. Seriously Grasshopper if you're going to be posting laughably provactive lines insinuating stuff like "why do black people envy white people so much?" then you might as well ditch this subtle approach and go all out. But I guess that would give the mods more justification to ban you...again. You are skilled at maintaining an annoying presence while staying within forum guidelines, I'll give you that~

[Atealtha]

People know how to use that word. I heard a chinese woman yelling the N bomb to a black man over and over again.

In front of city hall.

[Jenny]

It doesn't matter, because most of those old timer racists are dying out... and the ones that are still around are miserable people anyway, so it balances out. :)

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Welcome back Jenny...didn't you have an older account (or maybe 2 older accounts haha) here?

[Jenny]

Welcome back Jenny...didn't you have an older account (or maybe 2 older accounts haha) here?

Haha yup! Good memory. ;)

[ChinaLama]

Why do so many message board posters invent stories that express some kind of imaginary retaliatory revenge against the people they envy and resent most?

is it really your business to assume other people are lying?

[returntosender]

My grandpa used to say something like that about Chinese people, "you have your Chinese, good hardworkin folks and then you have Chinks, kind of folks who steal cars and steal business from Chinese"

that reminds me of the chris rock joke. You go NIGGERS, and then you have black people. I love black people.

Same goes for Asians I guess. Except the chinks aren't robbing and stealing, they're just selling out and indulge in self-dilution.

[kimpossible]

didn't you have an older account (or maybe 2 older accounts haha) here?

Not anymore.

Jenny, if there is a problem with your password or login, please email an admin for the information. Do not create a new account.

Thank you.

[MoniqueSP]

Sounds like rap lyrics to me. :biggrin:


Regulated? What is that, your attempt at ebonics?? :eek:


Well if she was a "Jerry Springer-esque" White woman she probably would have had a kid out of wedlock by some black guy and she would be fighting it out on stage with some other woman over "her man."


Why do so many message board posters invent stories that express some kind of imaginary retaliatory revenge against the people they envy and resent most?
Think what you want, but this is NOT made up.

[Jenny]

Not anymore.

Jenny, if there is a problem with your password or login, please email an admin for the information. Do not create a new account.

Thank you.

I'm pretty sure there was one other account but I don't remember the name since it was 2 years ago, sorry.

[Anaestacia]

It doesn't matter, because most of those old timer racists are dying out... and the ones that are still around are miserable people anyway, so it balances out. :)

It should matter regardless. During the span of time from now to the day they die, they're spewing disrespect and intolerance. I suppose the phrase you can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink comes to mind.

Those old timer racists might be dying out but their children will be around. This generation is far from utopia yet.

[Jenny]

Well, what I meant was even though she yelled out those things, it's not like it's convincing anyone to think the same way. She just ends up looking like a psychotic woman.

Seriously, if any sane person hears someone saying those things, they would just write it off as a crazy, angry person... not actually believe that black people are stupid.

[Anaestacia]

Yeah, true. In that one article's context.

[warcry111]

well, in san francisco, say the richmond district, you'll have whites living next to chinese living next to japanese living next to blacks. it's like that in a lot of areas up north.

SF Richmond district is mostly whites and Chinese. So is the Sunset, with Outer Sunset having slightly more Chinese than whites, while Inner Sunset has slightly more whites than Chinese. Chinatown is definitely the most Chinese place in all of SF. Blacks are a small minority in SF, confined to areas like Bayview-Hunters Point (which has the largest concentration of blacks in all of SF), Lakeview, and the projects at the Western Addition/Fillmore. The Mexicans/Latinos are mostly confined to the Mission. Privileged whitey live in neighborhoods like Diamond Heights, Pacific Heights, etc. Gays live in the Castro.

So it isn't exactly like SF is place where everyone gets along and in LA everyone just hates each other. As a matter of fact, I think SF is arguably as segregated as LA. If you went to public schooling in SF, you would definitely know what I'm talking about.

Additionally, the so-called liberal attitudes of SF has been over-hyped and greatly exaggerated by the media. Contrary to popular belief, there's actually a lot of hate and racism against Asians, especially Chinese, in SF than what the media wants non-San Franciscans to believe. Even just like 3 years ago, I remember a group of white (Irish probably) kids beating up 5 Chinese kids in the Outer Sunset area, harassing them and calling them racist names before beating them up. Lots of wiggers here too. I've also noticed that the blacks tend to team up with Mexicans to gang up on Asians here in SF, whereas in LA, it's Mexicans vs. blacks. I also remember reading up that on the street (as in gangs) scene and prison scene, it's blacks + Asians vs. Mexicans. As a matter of fact, I remember reading a survey/study done several years ago showing the political attitudes and experiences of Chinese living in SF, NY, and LA and comparing them. NYC Chinese had the highest number of marks of being victims of hate crime, with SF Chinese coming in at a close second, while LA Chinese had the less marks. If you're interested, I could try to find that study again if you want.

down in l.a., though, you'll have the whites in west l.a., the gays in west hollywood, koreans and mexicans in different blocks of koreatown, blacks in inglewood/compton/south central, chinese in san gabriel valley, vietnamese in orange county, japanese in little tokyo/south bay, latinos in east l.a. i've never seen any other place so cleanly segregated.

There's actually more Latinos than blacks in South Central as of right now. There's slightly more blacks than Latinos in Inglewood right now, but Inglewood is about to be majority Latino just like other places in South Central, like Compton and Watts. There's still alot of blacks there, but the Latinos, many of them illegals, have been coming to South Central in waves.

As for the SGV, El Monte is almost all Latino. Places like Rowland Heights, the Chinese/Taiwanese population is only slightly more than Latinos. In places like Diamond Bar and Walnut, there's also only slightly more Chinese than whites, much like Outer Sunset in SF. Only MP really stands out in the SGV, much like Chinatown in SF, where Chinese are the overwhelming majority in the area. But, of course, when it comes down to total numbers, because of LA's huge population, there's definitely more Chinese in LA (381,379 according to the 2006 ACS of the US Census Bureau) than in SF (152,042 according to the same source). And, because LA has a much more diverse Asian population than SF (SF Asians being overwhelmingly Chinese while in LA, there's lots of Koreans and Japanese in addition the already large Chinese population as well), of course if you look at all the Asian groups in those places in SGV, there's definitely much more Asians than Latinos or whites.

[Adaon]

SF Richmond district is mostly whites and Chinese. So is the Sunset, with Outer Sunset having slightly more Chinese than whites, while Inner Sunset has slightly more whites than Chinese. Chinatown is definitely the most Chinese place in all of SF. Blacks are a small minority in SF, confined to areas like Bayview-Hunters Point (which has the largest concentration of blacks in all of SF), Lakeview, and the projects at the Western Addition/Fillmore. The Mexicans/Latinos are mostly confined to the Mission. Privileged whitey live in neighborhoods like Diamond Heights, Pacific Heights, etc. Gays live in the Castro.

So it isn't exactly like SF is place where everyone gets along and in LA everyone just hates each other. As a matter of fact, I think SF is arguably as segregated as LA. If you went to public schooling in SF, you would definitely know what I'm talking about.

Additionally, the so-called liberal attitudes of SF has been over-hyped and greatly exaggerated by the media. Contrary to popular belief, there's actually a lot of hate and racism against Asians, especially Chinese, in SF than what the media wants non-San Franciscans to believe. Even just like 3 years ago, I remember a group of white (Irish probably) kids beating up 5 Chinese kids in the Outer Sunset area, harassing them and calling them racist names before beating them up. Lots of wiggers here too. I've also noticed that the blacks tend to team up with Mexicans to gang up on Asians here in SF, whereas in LA, it's Mexicans vs. blacks. I also remember reading up that on the street (as in gangs) scene and prison scene, it's blacks + Asians vs. Mexicans. As a matter of fact, I remember reading a survey/study done several years ago showing the political attitudes and experiences of Chinese living in SF, NY, and LA and comparing them. NYC Chinese had the highest number of marks of being victims of hate crime, with SF Chinese coming in at a close second, while LA Chinese had the less marks. If you're interested, I could try to find that study again if you want.


The Caucasian population of the Richmond district can be broken down even further than that, as the Russian/Eastern European population continues to grow out there. There's a lil bit of tension with the Chinese/Vietnamese/South East Asian gangs with the Russian/Eastern European gangs, besides the all around Anglo trouble makers in the area.

The Outer Sunset itself is seeing an increase in South East Asian population.

The African American population is also concentrated in the Bernal Heights, Visitation Valley, Excelsior, Tenderloin areas....

The Homosexual population is not only located in Castro, contrary to popular belief . . .

The 5 Chinese American boys that were chased across the intersection of 19th Avenue and Taraval, from in front of Senores' Pizza, were chased, accosted, and beaten by graduating Anglo students from Saint Ignatius.

I would like to see that study, if you didn't mind.

Also, when I was attending McAteer, (that was a lil while ago, rolls eyes) before it was School of the Arts, the African Americans gave scathing remarks and derogatory terms to anyone, whereas my experience with the Latino Americans there were more amicable. A blanket statement like the one saying anyone one group is supporting another group versus another one is pretty hard to prove without going into specifics. Personally, I don't see nor have I heard much of this particular type of behavior from my high school kids.

[warcry111]

The Caucasian population of the Richmond district can be broken down even further than that, as the Russian/Eastern European population continues to grow out there.

LOL. I knew about the Russian/Eastern European population in the Richmond area. That's why I said privileged whitey, as in meaning not white immigrants, but the Anglo-Irish-German whites who've been tons of generations ago and made it big with the bones, lived in Diamond Heights. Sunset also has a large Irish and some Jewish population in its Caucasian population.

There's a lil bit of tension with the Chinese/Vietnamese/South East Asian gangs with the Russian/Eastern European gangs, besides the all around Anglo trouble makers in the area.

What gangs? I haven't heard much about any dangerous gangs in the Sunset-Richmond area lately, not after most of the Jackson Street Boyz were arrested in the late 90's, definitely not Caucasian or Asian gangs. You mean those huge packs of teenage ABC's from Lincoln or Wash House with Preludes and Civics and black jackets and shit? Yea, I remember there was a large fight around 2001-2002ish back at Lincoln between whites and Asians, rumoring like about 100 or so people. But these dudes probably aren't gangs or anything, just packs of friends maybe a little bit on the arrogant and acting tough side, but still fighting to defend themselves against predatory whites.

The Outer Sunset itself is seeing an increase in South East Asian population.

Source?

Tiny still, compared to the large Chinese population and even larger white population in Outer Sunset....

The African American population is also concentrated in the Bernal Heights, Visitation Valley, Excelsior, Tenderloin areas....

The African American population is considered tiny compared to most big cities in the US, largely because the African American population largely decreased in size during the 90's while the Asian and Latino population increased. Most of those areas you listed only have small pockets here and there of African Americans. The fact remains that Bayview-Hunters Point, despite being only about 45-46% African American still has the largest concentration of African Americans in SF. The Fillmore, after Bayvew, because historically it was the center of African American culture in SF and today because it also has its fair share of the public housing projects in the city.

The Homosexual population is not only located in Castro, contrary to popular belief . . .

:rolleyes: I was only listing the districts with the heaviest concentrations of social/ethnic groups. Of course it's not the only neighborhood with homosexuals, but it's the neighborhood with the largest concentration of them.

And yet Hollywood in LA also has its fair share of gays. In total numbers, LA beats SF. Nothing to brag about, but just to rethink all the hype in the media about SF being accepting and too liberal, etc. BTW, you do know that SF's crime rate is rising during these 5 years since 2000, and reached a 10-year high in 2005, while this year, it looks like the homicide rate is about to beat 2005's.

The 5 Chinese American boys that were chased across the intersection of 19th Avenue and Taraval, from in front of Senores' Pizza, were chased, accosted, and beaten by graduating Anglo students from Saint Ignatius.

June 2004, IIRC?

I would like to see that study, if you didn't mind.

I tried to find it just a couple of days ago but no success. If I find it, I'll be sure to post it here for all to see. It's just a study on the Chinese population in the NYC, LA, and SF, not the entire Asian population, though.

Also, when I was attending McAteer, (that was a lil while ago, rolls eyes) before it was School of the Arts, the African Americans gave scathing remarks and derogatory terms to anyone, whereas my experience with the Latino Americans there were more amicable. A blanket statement like the one saying anyone one group is supporting another group versus another one is pretty hard to prove without going into specifics. Personally, I don't see nor have I heard much of this particular type of behavior from my high school kids.

I think the times change.

Great that you brought up MacAteer, yet you didn't mention that it closed down in 2002, and most of the kids got their asses sent to Lincoln and Wash House. But then again you graduated from MacAteer and that was a while ago. Basically, you probably would know what I'm talking about if you have cousins/friends that went to Lincoln or Wash from 2001-2005 or Galileo from even before 2002. Cuz I had some friends attending school (especially Lincoln and Wash House) during those years and they basically told me that immediately after the blacks and Hispanics from MacAteer were sent to Lincoln and Wash, they had fights with Chinese kids like every freakin' day. It wasn't just one person, and I asked my other friends who were from Lincoln and Wash and they all told me the same thing.

I also remember even just last year, there was a big ass fight between Chinese and Hispanics claiming Sureno after school like at the evening at Lincoln. My friend (yes, an Asian) was involved and got his jaw knocked. Funny thing, immediately after the fight, we all went to Eight Immortals just across the street to eat, LOL.

There was also another fight between Mexicans and Chinese, this time at Wash House. This one I only heard, from my uncle whose coworker had a son who went to Wash House. Basically, the kid got his ass busted even though he wasn't technically at the fight (he was at his girlfriend's house) but his lil homies pulled him in too when the principal questioned them. It was the Hispanics who started the fighting with the verbal taunts and pushing, but they got off the hook easily because the principal of Wash during that time was black and she was partially related to one of those Hispanics in the brawl. The Chinese kids got mandatory community service.

I can go on and on but yes, the ethnic conflicts died down a bit, but it was at its highest during my years in high school around that time. So-called liberal and open-minded/accepting SF, my ass.

Oh and about the wiggers. Hahah, LOL. They usually don't try to start shit unless they're hanging out with the blacks and Hispanics. I seen alot of wiggers at Lincoln even though there's not alot of whites at that school. LOL, I know 1 wigger who got his ass jumped by Surenos/Mexicans because he was acting cocky. But he's a dumbass though, sent to boarding school.

These events just reveal that SF is not that above LA in terms of race relations and is arguably as segregated as LA. Tensions swept under the rug and hidden until ethnic groups clash at high schools, hidden by the media which constantly claims SF to be the most liberal-open minded city in the world because of its percentage of the gay population and the influx of Asians and Hispanics in the city.

But you're partially right about the fights at MacAteer before it closed down. I had this one dude who graduated from MacAteer just before it closed down and he told me that many of the fights did involve Hispanics and blacks but alot of them also involved blacks vs. blacks and Hispanics vs. Hispanics. But the funny thing is, when they all went to Wash and Lincoln, they allied themselves and started fights with the Chinese.

[warcry111]

And about the racial groups, yes, for SF's case, I might be generalizing a bit. However, most of them were based on my own personal experiences and those of my friends, usually in high schools. For LA's case, I strictly based it on the prison and street gang scene, just as I said above. You would know what I'm talking about if you knew of what's going on in the LA County prisons and state prisons like San Quentin and Pelican Bay. In those prisons, the La Eme/Mexican Mafia is allied with the Nazi Skinheads/Lowriders?. Currently, the La Eme has greenlighted all blacks and Asians, regardless of their gang affiliations or not. I know some people who have relatives in those prisons who are Asian and they basically told me that in the prisons, the blacks (mostly Crips and Bloods from LA) have no choice but to ally themselves with the Asians whenever prison brawls happen because they all shared a common enemy that outnumbered them - the Hispanics/Mexicans (Nazi skinheads are a minority, but dangerous nonetheless). This translates onto the street scene because: 1. in LA, the Mexicans/Hispanics have the largest number of gangbangers due to the increasing number of illegals hopping across the border which translates to large population, 2. in LA, most Hispanic/Mexican gangs are Surenos, meaning that they're heavily controlled by the La Eme prison gang, so they do what they're told. As a matter of fact, in the North and Central Long Beach ghettos in LA, for example, the Cambodian gangs have allied themselves with local Crip gangs to fight against the numerous ese's.

[bryan4418]

I was at Mervynn's today shopping for my gf's aunt's bday present when this caucasian women, probably in her mid-40's, fat, and Jerry Springer-esque, storms through the store shouting something along the lines of:

"That stupid NIGGER!" repeatedly. She finds another employee and yells at her, "That Black clerk is a stupid fucking nigger" and walks furiously towards the exit.

I was becoming pissed off beyond belief. Holding back my angst, I simply muttered to her, "That's not very nice." She turns to me, looks me straight in the eye and shouts again, "No, she's a fucking nigger, seriously!" and storms out the exit. My gf and I, bewildered, glanced at the others staring back at the commotion, shaking our heads in disbelief. We made our purchase and left the building.

It troubles me that such a person still resides in an era of blatant racism, especially one who lives in southern california - an epicenter for multi-ethnic communities. Although I never saw the Black woman the bigot was verbally attacking, I felt immense sympathy for her, and sincerely hoped that she wasn't hurt much by what the bigot was saying.

I have never seen such a thing before. Maybe I'm sheltered. Maybe I naively believed that racist attacks in my home town were close to non-existent... I for one have never been a victim of it.

I was praying to god that the racist woman would say something of my Asian heritage... hopefully she would have said, "STFU stupid chink~!" OMG i would have regulated (verbally, mind you).


I get the impression that blacks are more racist to Asians than whites even. Does anyone else feel this way?

[Adaon]

I get the impression that blacks are more racist to Asians than whites even. Does anyone else feel this way?

Not I said the rat.