Why Korean Girls Rule

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Regardless of its source, it kinda sucks that an article like this can still get past the editor's desk....oh well. I guess it is a Korean newspaper run by some people who may still be proud that East Asian (specifically Korean) women are seen as desirable at least partially due to their submissiveness or 'mysteriousness'. Isn't it cool that even the ugly ones can be seen as desirable? :rolleyes: And the part about Asian women not being as materialistic or whatever as American women...HAHAHAHAAHA!!!! That's all I have to say. No offense to any Asian women....^^;; don't kill me. By the way, have my dinner ready by 6:30 sharp :rolleyes:
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What is it about Korean Women that Western Men Like?

We know that Korean-American Alice Kim (Korean name: Kim Yong-gyeong) will marry Hollywood star Nicolas Cage in June. Kim’s uncle, an executive at a credit agency, said in an interview with a Korean daily paper that, “I understand that Alice Kim and Nicolas Cage will marry in June.” This marriage may be postponed, however; Cage is leaving for Africa in July to shoot his new film, “Lord of War.”

Why are American film stars into Korean women? Kenny, an executive at a LA Koreatown broadcasting company, said in an interview with a Korean broadcaster that, “Korean women are submissive and kind. They are known to make breakfast, lunch and dinner for their husbands, help their husbands well, and raise children well." There are also those who feel that in the eyes of Western men, East Asian women possess a sort of mysteriousness about them. They say that one can grow fond of the unknown “Orient." 24-year-old James Cecil, an American living in Korea, said, “Even Korean women who are not though of as pretty by Korean men can give a sense of mystery to Western men.” 29-year-old English teacher Mike Conforty said, “Korean women are gentle, feminine and quiet. I think Korean women are the prettiest of all East Asian women.”

Western men also seem to find the purity and conservativeness of Korean women attractive. 25-year-old USFK soldier Blake Selesnew said, “American women are too materialistic, but Korean women aren’t. They seem less snobby.” Korea University English instructor Zane Ivy said, “Korean women are conservative. They are conscience of what people around them think, depend on their families and parents and are submissive.”
Before Alice Kim and Nicolas Cage, other Hollywood couples with Korean women included Wesley Snipes and Nikki Park and Woody Allen and Soon-Yi Previn. Less well known was “About Schmidt” director Alexander Payne’s marriage last year to Korean-Canadian actress Sandra Oh. Meanwhile, Woody Allen attended a literature event last October in Frankfurt, Germany and said he would write an autobiography containing the story of how he split from long-time lover Mia Farrow and fell in love and married Farrow’s adopted daughter Soon-Yi Previn.

(englishnews@chosun.com )

[AliBabaIncorporated]

I get the feeling this article is trying to bait someone or some group in Korea, though I'm not sure who.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I get the feeling this article is trying to bait someone or some group in Korea, though I'm not sure who.

http://english.chosun.com

Well, the source is a credible one...as in, one that sees itself as a newsworthy. I'm just afraid that the pride insinuated by the author is genuine (which I believe it is).

[hooligan]

this isn't surprising! : P

[rice cracker]

Sounds like an advert for a mail order bride site.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

http://english.chosun.com

Well, the source is a credible one...as in, one that sees itself as a newsworthy. I'm just afraid that the pride insinuated by the author is genuine (which I believe it is).
If I remember my Korean politics correctly, Chosun stands opposite the Uri party and the younger generation who are driving a lot of the anti-Americanism in Korea these days. Dunno if a story about American men marrying Korean women could be used to bait that crowd ...

[SunWuKong]

talk about an article to make a person cringe.

[ellsworth81]

well. its chosun... is it like .... a high-brow source of news?

[artsfartsyjanet]

Articles like this one make me hurl.

[TB4000]

I think the fact that it's Nicolas Cage is what makes it all the worse.

[VV o n g B a]

here's what alice looks like.

[BigLew]

YAY for submissive oriental women!!!

[TB4000]

here's what alice looks like.
Cage looks like he's doped up pretty good in that shot. He has no idea she's even on his lap, let alone in the room.

[kasia]

nicholas cage was frequently sighted, in the past, at le prive, the largest k-club in los angeles. or maybe the united states.

i wonder if that is where they met.

sickening.

[lethal]

I read they met at a Japanese restaurant (Sushi Avenue, if I remember correctly) where he was dining on Valentine's Day.

Lemme see if I can find that blurb anywhere. I think I read it in the London Sun.

[moJo]

nicholas cage was frequently sighted, in the past, at le prive, the largest k-club in los angeles. or maybe the united states.

i wonder if that is where they met.

sickening.
Cage to Marry Waitress (http://www.fox23news.com/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=FB5BD28F-8035-4DB5-8C37-DDF33847BE61)

Hollywood superstar Nicolas Cage is set to wed a hard-up waitress he met in February - mirroring the plot to his 1994 movie, It Could Happen To You.

The 40-year-old actor has proposed to Alice Kim, 19, with a giant diamond and emerald ring after he met her while out with pals in the Los Angeles restaurant where she worked on Valentine's Day, according to British newspaper THE SUN.

Cage was so smitten with Kim - who works at the Sushi Avenue eaterie - he invited her to the Oscars as his date, and now the couple are to walk down the aisle.

And, in a bizarre twist, the whirlwind romance is almost exactly like the plot to It Could Happen To You, in which he starred as a lottery winner who proposed to a poor waitress.

An insider says, "Nic has really fallen for this girl. She lives with her family because she can't afford her own place.

"Alice loves the ring Nic gave her and she was totally amazed by his actions. She keeps pinching herself to check she's not dreaming.

"It's not every day a hard-up waitress is swept off her feet by a Hollywood movie star."

gag me.

he looks like he kinda guy who has major back hair. ew.

[kasia]

19???

*barf*

both of them make me want to barf.

but maybe she's doing it for her family?

[thaite]

wtf? She's 19 -- of course, she's gonna work a service industry job and can't afford her own place! that article is condescending as all hell.

[kasia]

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:jONO8on9Xq4J:www.cliphoto.com/social1/alice.htm+alice+kim+nicolas+cage&hl=en

weird. i thought she'd be hot or something? white men can't judge asian beauty?

[rice cracker]

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:jONO8on9Xq4J:www.cliphoto.com/social1/alice.htm+alice+kim+nicolas+cage&hl=en

weird. i thought she'd be hot or something? white men can't judge asian beauty?

I think she looks nice...

[kasia]

I think she looks nice...

compared to the girls he could have had, hardly. but then again, he ain't all that either.

[rice cracker]

compared to the girls he could have had, hardly. but then again, he ain't all that either.

Well, he's totally grody. But I don't think she's bad at all. And I kind of like that she's more of a girl next door instead of a supermodel.

Anyway, with Cage's track record, I have my doubts about how far this engagement will go. The age difference alone gives this relationship a short shelf life. Not to mention different race, economic status, background, ect.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Well ok all this aside ^^;; I agree the article is disgusting...or at the very least...sadly ignorant, but I dun think the main point of focus is how much of an asiaphile Nic Cage is.

[VV o n g B a]

Well ok all this aside ^^;; I agree the article is disgusting...or at the very least...sadly ignorant, but I dun think the main point of focus is how much of an asiaphile Nic Cage is.
quite right. we should focus rather on much of a sellout alice kim is. :tongue:

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Ok I really didn't mean for this thread to turn into some Kpop Hyori posting frenzy >_< I'm not a mod but I hope this gets back on topic. Rakovlam your statement is borderline offensive...but then I remember you never had a problem with saying unconventional unorthodox stuff anyway and you were probly joking.

[rakovlam]

Borderline offensive? I must be losing my touch.

Okay, I'll be serious this time. The part about Korean women being submissive and non-materialistic. That's the exact opposite. Just go to any Gucci and Louie Vutton shop in America. And in my tireless search I have never found a single submissive Korean woman... only ones that could beat me up. So to all people considering marrying or dating Asian women, you better have a lot of money or know when to flee in horror. Because behind that pretty face is a sleeping tiger.

And really, why invoke Woody Allen? His problem seems to be not because Soon-Yi is Asian, but because he's... I don't know... messing around with her when she was only 22?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Borderline offensive? I must be losing my touch.

Sok. Happens to the best of us ^^

Okay, I'll be serious this time. The part about Korean women being submissive and non-materialistic. That's the exact opposite. Just go to any Gucci and Louie Vutton shop in America. And in my tireless search I have never found a single submissive Korean woman... only ones that could beat me up. So to all people considering marrying or dating Asian women, you better have a lot of money or know when to flee in horror. Because behind that pretty face is a sleeping tiger.

I think virtually all Asian guys know this :tongue: Unless...you're an Asian guy who grew up in Iowa (woops Kim, almost wrote Minnesota there :wink: )

And really, why invoke Woody Allen? His problem seems to be not because Soon-Yi is Asian, but because he's... I don't know... messing around with her when she was only 22?

Dunno what that was all about. But I think we're not supposed to focus so much on the individuals mentioned in the article as the absurdity of the article itself, whether it was bait, stupidity unconsciously implied, or whatever etc.

[mr. x]

here's what alice looks like.
dude she looks bigger than he is!

and puhleeze, the comment about korean women not being materialistic at all?

puhleeze

Ok I really didn't mean for this thread to turn into some Kpop Hyori posting frenzy >_< I'm not a mod but I hope this gets back on topic. Rakovlam your statement is borderline offensive...but then I remember you never had a problem with saying unconventional unorthodox stuff anyway and you were probly joking.

my guess is he was probly using mr. x brand sarcasm sauce

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Ok before this thread turns into either 1) Kpop posting medium 2) Korean girl bashing/worshipping medium 3) Asiaphile bashing medium etc. I think what's the most interesting about this article is how it represents perhaps a different (you can call it less informed or simply an alternative perspective depending upon how you look at it) and actually very accepting attitude towards Western men being attracted to Asian women (or in this case Korean) due to their perceived submissiveness, mysteriousness/exoticity(?), or willingness to cook for you 24/7 (I must admit, this part sounds very appealing to me but unfortunately it's like...NOT TRUE). I think this kinda goes along with that one thread that SWK posted about that one ShanghaiTang clothing line. You can bet people would be all up in arms crying ignorance and exploitation if the business was started up by white people here in America. This is assuming of course that the article is written and edited by Asian(Korean) people from an Asian(Korean) perspective rather than from perhaps an AA perspective. Anyways, all I was looking for is thoughts on this 'difference in perspective' I guess ^^ and not so much "Korean girls rule/suck" "look at that pathetic ugly white guy" etc.

[mr. x]

Well, he's totally grody. But I don't think she's bad at all. And I kind of like that she's more of a girl next door instead of a supermodel.

Anyway, with Cage's track record, I have my doubts about how far this engagement will go. The age difference alone gives this relationship a short shelf life. Not to mention different race, economic status, background, ect.

man his marriage to elvis' daughter lasted like 6 months imagine how long this will

and u know when he does break up it wont make headlines, it'll just be like "cage dumps girl number X"

[Tao]

in that pic, she looks EXACTLY like a friend of mine....and she's 19 also...freaky

PS chinese girls all the way!!!!

[applehead]

Regardless of its source, it kinda sucks that an article like this can still get past the editor's desk....oh well. ----------------------
they probably just needed something to fill up the column.

What is it about Korean Women that Western Men Like?

We know that Korean-American Alice Kim (Korean name: Kim Yong-gyeong) will marry Hollywood star Nicolas Cage in June. Kim’s uncle, an executive at a credit agency, said in an interview with a Korean daily paper that, “I understand that Alice Kim and Nicolas Cage will marry in June.” This marriage may be postponed, however; Cage is leaving for Africa in July to shoot his new film, “Lord of War.”
this has been all over the korean newspapers.
apparently, her family is pretty poor.
maybe she's sick of living that way and is awestruck
by his fame or something.


Why are American film stars into Korean women? Kenny, an executive at a LA Koreatown broadcasting company, said in an interview with a Korean broadcaster that, “Korean women are submissive and kind. They are known to make breakfast, lunch and dinner for their husbands, help their husbands well, and raise children well."
what. kenny doesn't have a last name?

There are also those who feel that in the eyes of Western men, East Asian women possess a sort of mysteriousness about them. They say that one can grow fond of the unknown “Orient." 24-year-old James Cecil, an American living in Korea, said, “Even Korean women who are not though of as pretty by Korean men can give a sense of mystery to Western men.” 29-year-old English teacher Mike Conforty said, “Korean women are gentle, feminine and quiet. I think Korean women are the prettiest of all East Asian women.”
okay that just sounds really creepy
especially coming from a 29 year old.
did he, while saying that, also tilt head to the side and
profusely blinked his eyes?
Western men also seem to find the purity and conservativeness of Korean women attractive. 25-year-old USFK soldier Blake Selesnew said, “American women are too materialistic, but Korean women aren’t. They seem less snobby.
that is just bad observation.
” Korea University English instructor Zane Ivy said, “Korean women are conservative. They are conscience of what people around them think, depend on their families and parents and are submissive.” *groan*

[TB4000]

they probably just needed something to fill up the column.


this has been all over the korean newspapers.
apparently, her family is pretty poor.
maybe she's sick of living that way and is awestruck
by his fame or something.



what. kenny doesn't have a last name?


okay that just sounds really creepy
especially coming from a 29 year old.
did he, while saying that, also tilt head to the side and
profusely blinked his eyes?
.
that is just bad observation.
*groan*


What u trying to say, meena...you don't rule?

[applehead]

i rule!
with an iron thumb!

(i don't know what that means)

well, i've never seen a t-shirt that said
"korean girls do it better."
and you know, that makes it official.

[DragonKnight]

What a disgusting article. :mad:

[moJo]

i rule!
with an iron thumb!

(i don't know what that means)

powerful thumb. guess you don't need the fist, eh? :tongue:

how does bullshit like this make it to print?!?!

[golden_buns]

Koreans like it whenever foreigners (europeans or americans) think or say something positive about the country. Chosun and Koreanherald have their english version targeted to expats in Korea, so I'm not surprised that they overtly exaggerated everything and came up with so much nonsense on this article. Even the way it's written it sounds a lot like whoever wrote this article was korean.

[Beat180]

This is really no surprise and seriously shouldn't be. He's got money, she doesn't, she's probably digging for gold, he's digging for snatch, the writer of the article has his head up his arse and sucks off his dad. Not much else to be said about it. You can smell divorce not too far along in that marriage and hell what number's he at now? Talk about the male J-lo. But seriously, her folks are poor, what easier way to get out of the hole than get hitched to some one looking for sex and has money? There's probably gonna be a prenup but I doubt she cares as long as she can live the high life, and occasionally dump money on her family (if she's more bout the family than just herself).

[Fireblade]

Ok. I think I'm more sick that he's practically.... let's count the years... 21 years older than her. Let's see... that means he literally can be her sugar daddy. And let's face it... if you're 19, you are in no frame or mindset of a stable and long-term marriage when you meet a movie star. Basically you're just awestruck that you're even noticed, and if it progresses to something further than that, oh well. Afterall... fame, money, and power is a big attractor to many people. Sex is often secondary, as much as I hate to say.

[deez nuts]

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:jONO8on9Xq4J:www.cliphoto.com/social1/alice.htm+alice+kim+nicolas+cage&hl=en

weird. i thought she'd be hot or something? white men can't judge asian beauty?

and who says you can't find love in a room salon.

[deez nuts]

Ok I really didn't mean for this thread to turn into some Kpop Hyori posting frenzy >_< I'm not a mod but I hope this gets back on topic.

why not?

give her just one ten minute.

[applehead]

why not?

give her just one ten minute.

MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
man. that was genius!

[mr. x]

MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
man. that was genius!
i dont get it....

[stunninglyAsian]

Why are American film stars into Korean women? Kenny, an executive at a LA Koreatown broadcasting company, said in an interview with a Korean broadcaster that, “Korean women are submissive and kind. They are known to make breakfast, lunch and dinner for their husbands, help their husbands well, and raise children well."

What a load of crap. Korean women are totally not like that- they're opinionated, are not afraid to voice their opinion, and are more than willing to put up a fight if somebody disagrees with them. Korean people are very emotional and passionate. I think we are the Italy of Asia, sans the whole renaissance and subtle flash styling.

But it's the best angle to reel in men- they are so blinded by the stereotype that they don't notice that they're totally whipped.

[mr. x]

u know the thing about asian stereotypes is they often contradict

1) asians are submissive and passive, if u beat him up he'll say "oh im sorry for hurting your hand"

2) asians know kungfu, are ready to go pancakes at any time

[altaira]

My sister in law is Korean/Italian and she's very, very assertive.

[krome]

Ok. I think I'm more sick that he's practically.... let's count the years... 21 years older than her. Let's see... that means he literally can be her sugar daddy. And let's face it... if you're 19, you are in no frame or mindset of a stable and long-term marriage when you meet a movie star. Basically you're just awestruck that you're even noticed, and if it progresses to something further than that, oh well. Afterall... fame, money, and power is a big attractor to many people. Sex is often secondary, as much as I hate to say.
If she were white, would a bigger issue have been made of the age difference? I mean, he is more than double hers?!

I was recently in Kali and did notice about half the WM/AFs were of old WMs and young AFs. The other half were of similar age. Anyways, I wonder if there is a connection between WM "Asiaphilia"/borderline pedophilia?

Nic's a serial marriage/divorce guy, but who knows - maybe this one will last if she truly is more submissive and accommodating to him? I mean, look at Woody Allen and Soon-Yi.

[Colorblind]

I've been stationed in Korea and Japan and I've seen countless Americans of all races sleeping with, dating, marrying, etc., Asian women. Why? Why not?

Asian women are usually more petite and age better in general than caucasian women who generally have a shelf life of maybe 36 years. Also, there's the matter of American women in general who have been bombarded with feminist indoctrination since the 1960s, to the point that they see shame in certain family values such as cooking and childcare. It's pretty sad since it'd actually rare to find a decent American woman these days who actually can cook! Personally, I believe in equal responsibility and dividing the chores and tasks like cooking 50/50, but damn if you try to suggest most women to cook the next night anymore. If there's one thing that hasn't changed, men appreciate a woman who can perform some culinary magic.

It basically comes down to Asian women treating these guys like gold and they're not used to that. Here's an exotic looking woman who is nice, respectful, and takes care of them, and they don't know what to do with themselves so they end up marrying them.

[SunWuKong]

Also, there's the matter of American women in general who have been bombarded with feminist indoctrination since the 1960s, to the point that they see shame in certain family values such as cooking and childcare. It's pretty sad since it'd actually rare to find a decent American woman these days who actually can cook! Personally, I believe in equal responsibility and dividing the chores and tasks like cooking 50/50, but damn if you try to suggest most women to cook the next night anymore. If there's one thing that hasn't changed, men appreciate a woman who can perform some culinary magic.

critical flaw in logic. many of the Asian women in question grew up American, and according to you, would be "indoctrinated" in feminism and exhibit many of the supposed negative attributes that go with it.

and you know, i've met plenty of women in Asia that can't cook, nor would bend over backwards for a man. i know it's difficult to resist, but i think you should stop meeting women at those bars in Asian that caters to servicemen. they only want you for your money. :biggrin:

[krome]

critical flaw in logic. many of the Asian women in question grew up American, and according to you, would be "indoctrinated" in feminism and exhibit many of the supposed negative attributes that go with it.

and you know, i've met plenty of women in Asia that can't cook, nor would bend over backwards for a man.
True, but it's all relative. Although also "indoctrinated" in American-style feminism here, many Asian-American women may still be the most relatively docile/conservative/submissive* race of females here. Particularly YOUNG POOR ones with NO real career. It's quite obvious how guys like Nic, Woody and Wesley are leveraging their immense fame, wealth and age to likely give them a HUGE power play in their relationships with these young Asian nobodies. Similar things with Donald Trump and Tiger Woods. They want young pliable hotties - the younger, more pliable and hotter - THE BETTER! No ego clashes here - there's simply NO QUESTION who's boss! That must be a refreshing change from dating other celebs who offer more of a "challenge" - or difficult pain in the arse?

But, most American women these days can't cook anyways - including Asians. So, I don't necessarily see that as a plus for AFs.

* Seriously, how many Asian girls you know getting as "buckwild" with drugs and s*x as many typical non-Asian girls these days? I'd say Asian culture as a whole is more conservative than mainstream culture here, on average. I know farrr less Asians into drugs and alcohol than non-Asians - or unwed teenage pregnancies - for just a few examples. And how many 19-yo non-Asian girls would even date/marry a 68-yo 5'5" (Woody) or 40-yo man of another race - even if they were rich Ho'Wood celebs? :confused:

[kitty]

whoa whoa whoa... what's wrong with being a woman and not knowing how to cook? do you honestly think that a woman's place is in the kitchen??

and... uhh... you don't know anything about weasley's relationship, so you can't really say who's the boss. russell simmons and kimora lee simmons seem to have a very equal relationship -- kimora lee (i know i'm mispelling her name) has said in countless interviews about how in many ways she is a very strong independent woman ... i don't think AF's are dating non-AM celebrities because 'there's no question who the boss is'...

i will give that woody's relationship is fucked up though.

[krome]

Never said woman's place is in the kitchen - but not being able to cook is one less skill - and the more skills anyone has - certainly the better "catch" they are.

Wesley Snipes knuckled under to the demands of the mother of two of his children, marrying her in a brief civil ceremony with only one friend in attendance

The "Blade II" star had dated Korean-born painter Nakyung "Nikki" Park for more than three years and lived with her at his gated Alpine, N.J., home. Friends say he made their relationship legal only after the 29-year-old divorcee gave him an ultimatum.

"She wanted him to marry her and make her two kids with him 'legitimate,' said a friend. "They had been feuding about this for some time. He finally gave up and said yes

"She's a sweet, lovely lady," the friend said. "In a moment of weakness, he gave in to her.

"But he didn't exactly show her a great wedding." (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/ne/20030401/104920920004.html)

Sounds like a great "love" story, eh? :biggrin:

He once implied that he was no longer interested in dating black women because they were too much work. (http://www.usaweekend.com/02_issues/020317/020317snipes.html)

Well, I guess having to beat your woman would qualify as "too much work." :biggrin:

In a startling accusation, one of Halle Berry's former beaus has pinpointed her one-time boyfriend Wesley Snipes as the man who busted her eardrum.

hit Berry so hard that she lost most of the hearing in her right ear. Berry has never divulged the identity her attacker. (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,13283,00.html)

Wow, so I guess his black belt is fo' reals! Hi-ya!

"I've come to the conclusion that beautiful women in the West aren't comfortable finding strength in their femininity. They want to do masculine-oriented things to establish their femininity," Snipes said. (http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n13_v94/ai_21052802)

Clearly, Wesley has racially associated "anti-American feminist" feminine docility and submissive temperaments with Asian women - which is why he chose to date/marry them.

Kimora Lee is only half or less Asian, btw. In American society, she would more be considered "Black." But, I'm not familiar with her situation enough to comment...

[kitty]

uhm... i wouldn't call 'delivering an ultimatum' as subservient and docile. i would call that whipping him into shape.

if you were a celebrity and could get any woman you want, you prolly wouldn't be too keen to settle down either.

and the size of the wedding is hardly any indication -- some celebrities get married in small civil ceremonies because it's a spur-of-the-moment thing, and sometimes it's because htey don't want to be featured in the tabloids the next day. doesn't mean anything...

oh, and krome, i don't see you talking about the asian man's inability to cook as a negative thing. most asian men i've met can't even find the recycling bin or keep their rooms clean ... always expecting mom or their girlfriends to do it. but that's also true of all men.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

and you know, i've met plenty of women in Asia that can't cook, nor would bend over backwards for a man.
So what about bending over forwards?

whoa whoa whoa... what's wrong with being a woman and not knowing how to cook? do you honestly think that a woman's place is in the kitchen??
To be honest, this comment shows that you're stuck in a 1950s view of what cooking means. These days, people don't get married right out of university with the man going off to work and the wife staying at home and getting her mother to teach her how to cook; guys and girls alike live independently for a long time. I know how to cook, and so do many of my friends of both sexes. Why? We learned by necessity. If I meet a girl who doesn't know how to cook, it usually means she's one or more of:
1) loaded with daddy's money and doesn't feel even a twinge of guilt at wasting it to go out to eat every night
2) irresponsible enough about her health and just eats snack foods all the time instead of cooking nutritious food
3) so uninterested in independence that she doesn't want to learn how to make for herself the kinds of foods she enjoys
4) not particularly adventurous (if you've never decided just to throw stuff in a pot or pan and see if it came out good-tasting, who knows what other kinds of experimentation you might not be interested in)

(In some parts of Asia, there's also 5) Lives at home. But very rarely in the US or Europe).

Maybe these are not what krome was thinking of, but I guarantee you that I myself, along with many other guys, are thinking of these things. Especially us guys who can cook, cuz we know the reasons we had to learn to cook, which makes us wonder about those who can't.

[kitty]

well if you feel exactly the same about boys who can't cook, then we're five by five. otherwise, it seems like some men are more derogatory of women who can't cook than men, and are more tolerant of the idea of a guy who can't do much more than boil an egg. what's with the expectation that women should know something about these domestic chores? y'know the x-chromosome doesn't carry a recessive cooking gene.

edit: btw, it's possible for a girl to have never been around the kitchen that much, and thus be a bad cook because they simply don't know how. doesn't make her a) into snack foods, b) a freeloader, c) unadventurous. it simply means that as a kid, she was trained in other things like... oh, i don't know... books and studying.

[krome]

^^ I totally agree with that, bro. To throwback 50s-style feminists, not cooking is like some sort of political statement against "traditional" gender roles. To Gen-Xrs, inability to cook can be indicative of lack of independance, self-reliance and ingenuity - as you noted. Or, in rare cases like mine - a healthy preference for simply eating raw food.

Either way, cooking is simply just another great skillset for ANYONE (as I mentioned above - read: any gender) to have. It does not have to be politicized. Yet, I don't think I know any American girls who can cook. Certainly never dated one who could - and neither can my sisters. That's a fact. I have known guys who have made dinner for their dates, tho.

kittygirl - Do you ever find yourself projecting 50s-feminism everywhere, yet overlooking the obvious reality or making excuses in other cases just to disagree with me? I think it's pretty clear coming from Nestle's own mouth what his views on Asian women and his general attitude towards his wife are. THE GUY BEAT HALLE BERRY DEAF FOR GOD'S SAKES - yet you say nothing about that? C'mon - tha baby momma beggin' tha daddy for marriage - that is sooo 50s or Y2k ghetto. You call that "empowered?" Ultimatums are given when a woman is powerless at the end of her rope, hun. If she were really that powerful, he'd be beggin' HER to marry HIM. Hellooooo!!!!

PS - Some of the filthiest rooms I've seen were girls' rooms. Especially their bathrooms - hurl. Or white guys'. Most Asian guys' rooms are fairly neat these days. Just check back on that thread on cribs. Again, you seem to be operating off a 50s gender-typing manual here.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

a healthy preference for simply eating raw food.
Eh, the last major primate species to eat raw meat was homo erectus. So basically you're a few hundred millenia behind even people stuck in the 50s. :tongue:

[krome]

^ Who said I ate raw meat? I'm mostly vegetarian. Fruits, nuts and veggies. If I do eat an egg or something, I'll cook it. :tongue:

[kimpossible]

So what about bending over forwards?


To be honest, this comment shows that you're stuck in a 1950s view of what cooking means. These days, people don't get married right out of university with the man going off to work and the wife staying at home and getting her mother to teach her how to cook; guys and girls alike live independently for a long time. I know how to cook, and so do many of my friends of both sexes. Why? We learned by necessity. If I meet a girl who doesn't know how to cook, it usually means she's one or more of:
1) loaded with daddy's money and doesn't feel even a twinge of guilt at wasting it to go out to eat every night
2) irresponsible enough about her health and just eats snack foods all the time instead of cooking nutritious food
3) so uninterested in independence that she doesn't want to learn how to make for herself the kinds of foods she enjoys
4) not particularly adventurous (if you've never decided just to throw stuff in a pot or pan and see if it came out good-tasting, who knows what other kinds of experimentation you might not be interested in)

(In some parts of Asia, there's also 5) Lives at home. But very rarely in the US or Europe).

Maybe these are not what krome was thinking of, but I guarantee you that I myself, along with many other guys, are thinking of these things. Especially us guys who can cook, cuz we know the reasons we had to learn to cook, which makes us wonder about those who can't.


Oh come on. I have an aunt by marriage on the Who's Who in Taiwan list that couldn't really cook to save her life. She was certainly not a rich girl, she's a recognized professional worldwide, she's very health and body oriented as a dancer and she's been around the world more times than everyone else I know put together. A lot of people male and female in large cities don't cook a lot because there are plenty of people who specialize in making foods fairly cheap and it's not uncommon to have a part-time housekeeper/cook come in and do the cooking.

If anything, I'm the oddball out because I cook a lot. Mainly because we don't have access to the cheap, fresh prepared foods. If the guys want fresh sau bing, it's either gonna be by my hands or travel 1-2 hours out of the way for expensive frozen ones.

If I lived in SF, Taipei or Sydney, with access to affordable take-away and frozen foods I'd hardly ever cook and if I did it would be very simple stuff.

[kitty]

actually, the filthiest rooms i've been in have been asian men and white men's rooms, but this is all anecdotal anyways. how am i projecting 50's gender roles if you guys are the ones who are expecting women to be able to cook? you have said yourself that you think cooking is part of a traditional gender role... i'm not saying it's bad for a woman to know how to cook, but i think it's unfair that you are more harsh on women who don't know how to cook than men.

like, do you think it's bad that a man DOESN'T cook for his date -- why are you heralding it as a special achievement?

I've known plenty of men and women both who know how to cook and who don't -- and it transcends racial lines... I am calling you guys out on the hypocrisy of your expectations of men and women and their cooking skills. When a guy can cook, it's a special skill, when a woman can cook, it's expected. Why not say it like it is -- in this day and age, anyone who takes the time to learn to cook should be commended, and not just the men, while those who don't know how to cook shouldn't be chastised, not just the women.

re: wesley and halle -- you do realize that when you posted this 'information', you were using hearsay from one of halle's ex-boyfriends. do you have a police report? halle herself refuses to divulge. one guy's testimony, when he wasn't even present at the beating (presumably) isn't much of a source.

besides which, whether weasley commits domestic abuse is besides the point of whether or not non-AM celebrities are looking for subservient AF's who 'know who is boss'...

and regarding who would be asking who to marry them, that's bullshit. a subservient woman would not be able to deliver an ultimatum, because than the man would just not care, if he was the boss. Hellooooooo?

and anyways, this is all gossip column and speculation, and i was more pissed by this whole cooking thing, anyways. women aren't failures if they can't cook. yeeesh.

edit ... you know you've got harry potter on the brain when you unconsciously spell wesley "weasley" ....

[krome]

^ Although not uncommon in China, you still do have to be relatively wealthy to afford a housecook. And in the US (which this point is more centered around), without a doubt you must be wealthy to have your own housecook - and it is still unheard of for even many rich folk.

And I'd assume a pro dancer on Taiwan's Who's Who list must not be doing too bad, financially, either? :confused:

[kitty]

oh no, krome! women with money!! who'd've thunk it??? the world must be going to hell.

do you look down upon the men with money who can afford a cook?

[AliBabaIncorporated]

kim: I guess both of us are thinking in terms of people roughly our own age. (Sorry.) "Fairly cheap" eating out is a function of your income, debt level, and savings goals. If I see a recently graduated student with ivy league loans to pay back working in a non-profit, and he goes out to dinner every night, I'm guessing he's not very serious about buying a car or going on an overseas vacation any time soon. And if he starts bitching to me about how he's broke or wants to borrow money from me or can't afford to do something nice for a girl, he's not going to find much sympathy unless he's learning to cook.

And maybe I'm out of the loop, or things are different outside the cities, but I've never heard of any young people in the US with a part-time housekeeper/cook. Were you talking about Taiwan? Even in HK with the wide availability of domestic helpers who earn 1/3 the salary of a recent college graduate, only families with children tend to hire maids to do the cooking. In Korea I can imagine this is even more wildly uncommon since they aren't in the habit of importing Indonesian or Filipina women.

[krome]

^^ Well, a rich girl is typically going to be less capable, out-of-touch and high-maintenance than a poorer girl who had to learn to be more self-reliant, grounded and appreciate things in life more. So, personally, I thus prefer the latter for relationships - although of course that is only a subjective preference and just one broad generality. You can also make other pros and cons about both, too.

I don't date men, so it concerns me less with them.

[kimpossible]

^ Although not uncommon in China, you still do have to be relatively wealthy to afford a housecook. And in the US (which this point is more centered around), without a doubt you must be wealthy to have your own housecook - and it is still unheard of for even many rich folk.

And I'd assume a pro dancer on Taiwan's Who's Who list must not be doing too bad, financially, either? :confused:

I don't have an exact measurement of family finances, but not wealthy to my knowledge. Doesn't matter because it was an example to negate the claim that women that don't cook are

1) loaded with daddy's money and doesn't feel even a twinge of guilt at wasting it to go out to eat every night
2) irresponsible enough about her health and just eats snack foods all the time instead of cooking nutritious food
3) so uninterested in independence that she doesn't want to learn how to make for herself the kinds of foods she enjoys
4) not particularly adventurous (if you've never decided just to throw stuff in a pot or pan and see if it came out good-tasting, who knows what other kinds of experimentation you might not be interested in)

(In some parts of Asia, there's also 5) Lives at home. But very rarely in the US or Europe).

Which is why I responded to his post directly, because it also was somewhat accusatory of kittygirl enforcing 1950s ideas of cooking along gender lines. I feel she was doing the exact opposite, instead questioning the idea that a woman who doesn't cook is seen in the negative. I cook a lot, but I don't think it's a true measure of my worth as a woman or a person in general. It also a skill that changes over time. Few people are born great cooks, you might learn to functionally cook later in life instead of having a solid grip of it by your late teens or early 20s.

[kitty]

incidentally, it's quite possible that a person who can't cook may be that way because they were studying as a child or grew up in a (middle-class? low-income?) household in which mommy was out working just like daddy and no one had time to cook, let alone show the kids how to.

I don't date men, so it concerns me less with them.

You don't have to date a guy to have an opinion on male cooking skills.

[kimpossible]

kim: I guess both of us are thinking in terms of people roughly our own age. (Sorry.) "Fairly cheap" eating out is a function of your income, debt level, and savings goals. If I see a recently graduated student with ivy league loans to pay back working in a non-profit, and he goes out to dinner every night, I'm guessing he's not very serious about buying a car or going on an overseas vacation any time soon. And if he starts bitching to me about how he's broke or wants to borrow money from me or can't afford to do something nice for a girl, he's not going to find much sympathy unless he's learning to cook.

And maybe I'm out of the loop, or things are different outside the cities, but I've never heard of any young people in the US with a part-time housekeeper/cook. Were you talking about Taiwan? Even in HK with the wide availability of domestic helpers who earn 1/3 the salary of a recent college graduate, only families with children tend to hire maids to do the cooking. In Korea I can imagine this is even more wildly uncommon since they aren't in the habit of importing Indonesian or Filipina women.

Yeah I was actually speaking about living in larger cities in general. I didn't realize you guys were concentrating on the US in particular, I apologize for not catching that part. I know you only live in the US part time so I assumed you were speaking about world at large. I also didn't know that you meant current 20 something gen also. My bad.

But above point of yours taken and acknowledged. I just want to inject one more point here, more of what I was speaking to in my previous post -- from what you posted that I initially saw, you seemed to indicate that if you run into a female no matter her professional involvement, her lack of cooking skills automatically makes her a loser for a variety of reasons. I think that's wholly unfair to women who might have actually had to work harder, even be in a high profile position, only to be judged by lack of cooking skills. You don't think it's the least bit lame? I can cook but I would never think of looking down on women that can't because they might have a stellar career that didn't allow them time to cook, or they might merely have access to cheaper prepared or frozen foods.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Actually, all those reasons I listed are easily applied to guys. Some more so.

First, I think a guy who is loaded and spends his family's money causes more of a negative impression than a girl who does the same thing. (Though this could probably deserve a thread in itself, so let's not get into this debate here). In some cases, due to the #3 I listed (uninterested in independence), a guy who couldn't cook is judged even more harshly than a girl, he's seen as unable to fend for himself, which society will see as a far greater failing in a guy than in a girl. It's certainly true for certain forms of cooking (barbeques and camping come to mind). I always found it odd it wasn't true for all cooking in general.

from what you posted that I initially saw, you seemed to indicate that if you run into a female no matter her professional involvement, her lack of cooking skills automatically makes her a loser for a variety of reasons.
To be honest, yes. Maybe not to the full extent of the extremeness of the reasons I listed, but I work in i-banking, take night classes, and maintain a long-distance relationship, and I still have time to cook and consider it a valuable use of my time to improve my skill at it . Maybe it's unfair, but given that I've been cooking regularly since I went to college, I tend to look at people who can't cook at roughly the same level as people who can't do their own laundry (and I think most of us would agree that those 4 negative attributes I listed above would FULLY apply to any such guy or girl).

[kitty]

kim: I guess both of us are thinking in terms of people roughly our own age. (Sorry.) "Fairly cheap" eating out is a function of your income, debt level, and savings goals. If I see a recently graduated student with ivy league loans to pay back working in a non-profit, and he goes out to dinner every night, I'm guessing he's not very serious about buying a car or going on an overseas vacation any time soon. And if he starts bitching to me about how he's broke or wants to borrow money from me or can't afford to do something nice for a girl, he's not going to find much sympathy unless he's learning to cook.


nowadays, it is possible to have a restaurant deliver food (or for you to go pick it up) at a price, roughly the amount of buying the ingredients and cooking it for yourself (especially if you factor in time and cleaning up afterwards). i don't guarantee that it's particularly healthy food, but some places charge roughly $4 for a meal, and if you can't cook and don't have time for cooking/shopping/cleaning up/etc, buying food by delivery can be a rather frugal alternative.

most of the people i know who kind of suck at cooking do this. i think it's funny that you automatically think that people who aren't cooking are automatically going to pricey restaurants.

[krome]

Kim - Well, Ali was just listing some possible deeper isues that an inability to cook could be symptomatic of. It is certainly not a complete list, of course. And ability to cook is certainly not a measure of a woman's worth - although it can factor in as a skill, just like any other.

I think American women have just become more career-oriented and less domestic-oriented. They'd rather "make bread" than literally "make bread" these days, lol. But I think you see this with every area in America. We keep becoming more and more consumerist and losing basic DIY lifestyle/trade skills. Many of these arts are now becoming "endangered" or lost. This over-reliance on others may be fine in a mature society - but if it ever collapses - many of us will be clueless as to how to survive on our own. I also think some satisfaction and sense of personal accomplishment is lost in not building your life firsthand - but outsourcing everything. Anyways, I digress... :tongue:

Kitty - $4 a meal (+ gas)? I guarantee you you can make your own far cheaper and healthier. It's a well-known fact that eating at home is cheaper than eating out.

[kitty]

so krome, why don't you advocate men learning to cook to recover this dying art, rather than wax philosophical about how bad it is that women are becoming more career-oriented and less domestic?

[krome]

^ Who said I didn't? My family's housecook in China is a man and is probably the best cook I've ever seen in my life. Most famous chefs are men too. Again, I only specify "women" when addressing the context of this thread. Otherwise, my comments about cooking in general apply bi-genderally.

Also, I didn't say it was "bad" that women are more career-oriented these days - just making an observation to explain why less women know how to cook these days is all.

Again, I've never even dated a girl who knew how to cook. Nor even known (m)any. But, it's never been an issue for me since I like most of my food raw, anyways. Sure, it'd be cool if she could, but I'm already pretty self-reliant in the food area so it's not a necessity by any means.

[kimpossible]

oh, 'k guys. my bad. i made some assumptions about what you wrote.

krome> agreed that the idea of food and cooking in general has taken a turn for the worse in the US. *nods head*

[AliBabaIncorporated]

On a side note, actually making bread is an utter pain in the ass due to the kneading of dough and getting flour all over your whole kitchen. Don't mind paying someone for some nicely made fresh breads, flatbreads, whatever. But someone who would go out and pay $4 for a plate of fried rice, noodles in soup, or a sandwich is utterly nuts, unless we're talking master gourmet with some sort of secret sauce that makes it unbelievable and induplicably good.

[krome]

^ Agreed. I actually made bread once from scratch out of curiosity. Man, you don't realize how hard it is to make a loaf until you try it yourself. Frankly, it's not worth the effort. Not even close. Not to mention bread is a hi-glycemic over-processed food anyways.

Again, this does go back to doing things yourself to learn how to appreciate them, though...

[AliBabaIncorporated]

This over-reliance on others may be fine in a mature society - but if it ever collapses
Well, it may not even take the collapse of society to reveal that utter specialization of labor isn't such a good idea. If your pipes spring a leak at 2 in the morning on Saturday night but you don't even know how to patch it or tighten it or turn off the flow, you have to wait until Monday morning to get a plumber, at which point your apartment will be long underwater. For that matter, if you get hungry at 2 AM on Saturday, it's a bit ridiculous to get dressed, get in the car, and go look for a 24 hour diner instead of just walking up to your stove and throwing something together yourself.

I guess a lot of the stuff I write here isn't as applicable to Asia (excluding Japan and Korea), since eating out is much cheaper due to low-priced labor, and lots of people live in areas with 24-hour restaurants in walking distance. Yet the idea that girls should know how to cook is more strongly preserved over here than in the US. Actually the main reason I don't eat out here so often is cuz I live alone for now. If my girlfriend joins me over here that might change. Or it might not.

And for guys, the main problem with eating out is that you think you're just gonna order one dish, but then you get hungry and order some sides to go with it, then a drink, suddenly you just ate $15.

[krome]

^ Agreed. My goal would be to develop at least a basic "first-aid" proficiency in all basic life skills to fall back on. Sure, hire the pros to do the job better than you can when possible - but have some personal back-up skills to at least get you by in the meantime. Course, with a full-time job, it's hard to learn all those handyman skills. :frown:

DIY does make life a lot simpler, though. Like, after I learned to cut my own hair - I can do it at anytime in 20 minutes for free. No cost, appointments, driving, fitting into business hours or bad haircuts anymore. How can you beat that? You can't.

[>:^|]

What does this have to do with why Korean girls rule (and Chinese guys drool)?

[SunWuKong]

* Seriously, how many Asian girls you know getting as "buckwild" with drugs and s*x as many typical non-Asian girls these days? I'd say Asian culture as a whole is more conservative than mainstream culture here, on average. I know farrr less Asians into drugs and alcohol than non-Asians - or unwed teenage pregnancies - for just a few examples. And how many 19-yo non-Asian girls would even date/marry a 68-yo 5'5" (Woody) or 40-yo man of another race - even if they were rich Ho'Wood celebs? :confused:

are you kidding, man? so many Asian kids here are very into the rave scene on the east coast. maybe it's different on the west coast?

and sex? oh there are plenty of Asian girls that are into FTF relationships.

^ Although not uncommon in China, you still do have to be relatively wealthy to afford a housecook.

yes, but it's also incredibly cheap to eat out if you know where to go, as most locals do. even in HK i bought my dinners at about $4 USD each, and lunch at about $2 or $3 USD each. and yes, the pay there is comparable so that this is pretty cheap. the only thing i ever cooked in HK was ramen noodles or maybe an egg or two.

anyway, i can cook some basic stuff (which i learnt in college), but nothing too fancy. when i lived by myself i never felt like cooking because i'm too lazy to do all that work just for myself. i'd probably take at least half an hour total between the cooking and the washing, and about 5 to 10 minutes to eat. not worth it, in my personal preference. now one of my roommates cooks better than i do, so she usually does the cooking and the rest of us take turns doing the dishes.

but hey, i'm pretty skilled with power tools! :smile:

to get things back on topic:

oh oops, sorry doc. didn't notice that until too late.

carry on.

[Colorblind]

critical flaw in logic. many of the Asian women in question grew up American, and according to you, would be "indoctrinated" in feminism and exhibit many of the supposed negative attributes that go with it.
I don't think your statement is grounded in reality. Asian women did not "grow up American" -- their society didn't experience the civil rights movement and are far from having attained equality with men in any sense in Asia. Asian culture is clearly geared towards men having most of the control in their societies and this is plainly evident by the submissive nature of Asian women.

You're confusing Asian women with Asian American women.

[kitty]

the funny thing with this whole thread is that some of the most bone-headed, most independent and stubborn women i know are asian.

[SunWuKong]

I don't think your statement is grounded in reality. Asian women did not "grow up American" -- their society didn't experience the civil rights movement and are far from having attained equality with men in any sense in Asia. Asian culture is clearly geared towards men having most of the control in their societies and this is plainly evident by the submissive nature of Asian women.

You're confusing Asian women with Asian American women.

actually it's you and the author of that article that have confused Asian American women with Asian women. or in the case of the author, Korean American women with Korean women. three of the Korean women the article mentioned are American, and one is Canadian.

and your assessment of Asian culture is entirely too academic. many Asian cultures have experienced modernism - and together with that, a sense that gender equality is needed. something that they're not going to teach you in your high school history texts.

but i would say that Asian women might reveal a "submissive nature" if they are trying to get a green card out of an American GI. lucky you.

[golden_buns]

and who says you can't find love in a room salon.

how about 588?

[Colorblind]

and your assessment of Asian culture is entirely too academic. many Asian cultures have experienced modernism - and together with that, a sense that gender equality is needed. something that they're not going to teach you in your high school history texts.
I'd hardly call plain observation from living several years in Asia, academic. In Japan, I've found the slowest change towards equality of the sexes. Everywhere you go, women still follow their men around almost obediently, sometimes slightly behind them. The younger generations are far more liberal however, and they seem to treat the women much better.

Nothing quite as bad as my time in the middle east though. I used to pass by cars on the highway where the men pulled over and were slapping the shit out of the woman next to them and the kids in the back seat. Complete domination in those societies.

but i would say that Asian women might reveal a "submissive nature" if they are trying to get a green card out of an American GI. lucky you.
I'm not attracted to Asian women -- just not my thing. It's not hard to reveal an innate character trait.

Btw, I'm not in the military anymore. Served a bit over 6 years and figured I did my time. I travelled and lived abroad far more as a civilian than when I was in the military.

[SunWuKong]

I'd hardly call plain observation from living several years in Asia, academic. In Japan, I've found the slowest change towards equality of the sexes. Everywhere you go, women still follow their men around almost obediently, sometimes slightly behind them. The younger generations are far more liberal however, and they seem to treat the women much better.



and i'm sure your plain observation alone in Japan is a great assessment of how submissive Asian women are, especially from someone that doesn't even like Asian women.


:rolleyes:

anyway what you're saying is not much different from what a lot of white guys might think, so i'm not surprised. carry on then.

[achtungbaby]

It's quite obvious how guys like Nic, Woody and Wesley are leveraging their immense fame, wealth and age to likely give them a HUGE power play in their relationships with these young Asian nobodies. Similar things with Donald Trump and Tiger Woods. They want young pliable hotties - the younger, more pliable and hotter - THE BETTER! No ego clashes here - there's simply NO QUESTION who's boss!
Such a vivid description -- do you envy the powerful white men? :biggrin:

But, most American women these days can't cook anyways - including Asians. So, I don't necessarily see that as a plus for AFs.

Seriously, how many Asian girls you know getting as "buckwild" with drugs and s*x as many typical non-Asian girls these days?
You're kidding, right?

I'd say Asian culture as a whole is more conservative than mainstream culture here, on average. I know farrr less Asians into drugs and alcohol than non-Asians - or unwed teenage pregnancies - for just a few examples. And how many 19-yo non-Asian girls would even date/marry a 68-yo 5'5" (Woody) or 40-yo man of another race - even if they were rich Ho'Wood celebs? :confused:
Don't believe the hype.

[deez nuts]

there's whores and housewives from every race.

it all depends on where you meet them.

and the whole deal with cooking since we keep dwelling on it. one of the must have prerequisites i have in a future wife is that she knows her way around the kitchen and knows how to cook. whether she choses to do it is another matter.

i don't think it's sexist of me to have cooking as one of my requirements. we all have requirements when it comes to a future spouse whether it be a certain height, a certain built, a certain type of job, a certain amount of income, etc etc.

[mr. x]

uh krome, the donald and tiger arent with asian women

tigers got himself a blonde swede

[kasia]

she's still whack.

[mr. x]

she's still whack.
who you referring to?

[Fireblade]

If she were white, would a bigger issue have been made of the age difference? I mean, he is more than double hers?!

I was recently in Kali and did notice about half the WM/AFs were of old WMs and young AFs. The other half were of similar age. Anyways, I wonder if there is a connection between WM "Asiaphilia"/borderline pedophilia?

Nic's a serial marriage/divorce guy, but who knows - maybe this one will last if she truly is more submissive and accommodating to him? I mean, look at Woody Allen and Soon-Yi.

You see what you want to see. Most people here can attest that the WM/AF relationships are mainly just young ones, unless you happen to like looking at varied age couplings. Seriously, I'm not really suprised, nor am I shocked. If she was white, my reaction would still be the same. That of a lecherous old cradle robbing dood, rather than a white dood stealing an asian woman. I simply do not give two shits, because it's obvious that her main attractor to Mr. Cage is that he's rich and famous. If an older, not attractive, but decent looking, rich, and famous white woman decided to ask me out on dates and marry me, do you think that I would refuse? No. Simply because I'm a man-whore like that who has fantasies of his every need being taken cared of. Sleep with an older white lady (say like.... Kim Cathrall) and I would do it.

I'm simply stating my opinion, and thus so.... that the only reason why people are mentioning this all over is the whole race factor. Because this is high profile, and that she's an attractive young asian thing, that everyone is all up in their longjohns, shouting foul. I didn't know of this before I came to the boards, and I won't care if the marriage goes through, etc, etc. Consequently, this is America, so we are given the ability to choose whatever the hell we want when opportunities are shown to us. She took it, so whatever. It's just the age difference that bugs me, but it's a tiny irk. Nothing special or out of the ordinary.

And from what I've learned in the past Korean girls are NOT push-overs. Most heads of families are actually Korean mothers. I'm not stuck in a mindset that all women are submissive by nature or even more importantly race. It just what we are taught is all. Hopefully she was taught to be strong willed.

[krome]

uh krome, the donald and tiger arent with asian women

tigers got himself a blonde swede
uh mr. x, and tiger ain't a WM either. You think I didn't know that, either? Deuurr.. :rolleyes:

Reread my quote:
Similar things with Donald Trump and Tiger Woods. They want young pliable hotties - the younger, more pliable and hotter - THE BETTER! No ego clashes here - there's simply NO QUESTION who's boss!
So, where did I say this "power-play" dynamic was limited only to WM/AFs? My observation was obviously cross-cultural, here. In Donald's and Tiger's case - they did interestingly choose NON-AMERICAN (and arguably more truly liberated, non-"American feminist") women, though. Learn to read first, then post. Kthx.

[krome]

Well, it may not even take the collapse of society to reveal that utter specialization of labor isn't such a good idea. If your pipes spring a leak at 2 in the morning on Saturday night but you don't even know how to patch it or tighten it or turn off the flow, you have to wait until Monday morning to get a plumber, at which point your apartment will be long underwater. For that matter, if you get hungry at 2 AM on Saturday, it's a bit ridiculous to get dressed, get in the car, and go look for a 24 hour diner instead of just walking up to your stove and throwing something together yourself.
And excuse me again for diverging from the petty topic of discussion to broader issues of more real import.

Admin's Note: You're excused. I just took the liberty of deleting the irrelevant parts.

[lethal]

^ Well, that last post had no relevance to this thread. Self proclaimed time traveler? And you posted his imagination about the future? Nostradamus had a better chance of predicting the future.