asiaphiles

[karizma]

>> scenario: male. caucasian. he catches sight of your slanted brown eyes, straight, jet-black hair, and petite figure. he approaches you with a grin. "nhi hao"...um excuse me? "konnichiwa?" errr no. is this his idea of a pick-up line? you walk away extremely peeved and he wonders what he did wrong. end scenario.

>> congratulations youve just met an asiaphile, one who is attracted to asians solely for their "exotic" looks and immerses themselves in what they [b:d06ceba176]think[/b:d06ceba176] is their culture in hopes of attaining their own little geisha dolls. media has portrayed us asian women/girls as being submissive little flowers in public and wild, skilled sex kittens in the sack. maybe somewhere out there youll find an asian woman like this but for the most part this stereotype does not apply to us and how dare them white boys think it does.

>> many of us arent aware of the asiaphiles lurking within our chinese restaurants, our nightclubs, and even our own schools and workplaces. but they're there, they arent always white but the definition still stands. so yea if a guy comes up to you praising you for your almond eyes and tells you you smell better than lotus blossoms on a spring day...run girl...run like the wind.

>> have you encountered an asiaphile? what do you think of them? should we be offended or flattered?

[ChinaLama]

Well, there's also a movement among Asian people to recognize the beauty of "almond eyes" because for too long, ppl w/ monolids have felt inferior and gotten eye surgery and stuff.

But, shrug, I guess ppl who are attracted to Asian women only for their exotic looks are kind of annoying. I wonder how come no one's attracted to asian GUYS for our kung fu or cooking skills or whatever they have in mind? (well, THIS particular dude has no cooking skills or kung fu skills, but i sure wish ppl thought i did sometimes :roll: )

[tapestrybabe]

[quote:0fa952a225="ChinaLama"]But, shrug, I guess ppl who are attracted to Asian women only for their exotic looks are kind of annoying. I wonder how come no one's attracted to asian GUYS for our kung fu or cooking skills or whatever they have in mind?[/quote:0fa952a225]

OMG... have you ever seen the movie Iron Monkey?! That lead actor who played the Iron Monkey-- Yu Rong Guang and the actor that played the father, Donnie Yen... OMG, they were SOOO CUTE and SOOO FINE looking!!!! And they had their kung fu moves down pact. It was like totally way awesome man watching them in action!!!

Yes, there are females that are attracted to asian GUYS. But than again, I'm asian myself... how many white girls have that same attitude as opposed to the hype of white males into Asian females?? At any rate, I just think all of this is a reflection of the media and women. And how there's more of a market, more media attention on a female's looks and sexuality than guys... And being an asian female... it's just another way how the media has placed more emphasis on a females sexuality....

[NotAsian]

Ok, we're having a conversation about asiaphiles. (** puts on his asiaphile conversation hat **)

[quote:8c5add6667="karizma"]>> scenario: male. caucasian. he catches sight of your slanted brown eyes, straight, jet-black hair, and petite figure. he approaches you with a grin. "nhi hao"...um excuse me? "konnichiwa?" errr no. is this his idea of a pick-up line? you walk away extremely peeved and he wonders what he did wrong. end scenario.

>> congratulations youve just met an asiaphile, one who is attracted to asians solely for their "exotic" looks and immerses themselves in what they [b:8c5add6667]think[/b:8c5add6667] is their culture in hopes of attaining their own little geisha dolls.[/quote:8c5add6667]

Possibly you have. However I would also be willing to bet that you've just met a prick ;)

[quote:8c5add6667]
>> many of us arent aware of the asiaphiles lurking within our chinese restaurants, our nightclubs, and even our own schools and workplaces.[/quote:8c5add6667]

And on your websites. (** runs like Hell **)

[quote:8c5add6667]so yea if a guy comes up to you praising you for your almond eyes and tells you you smell better than lotus blossoms on a spring day...run girl...run like the wind.[/quote:8c5add6667]

Are they really that stupid? I'd never try [i:8c5add6667]that[/i:8c5add6667] one...

[Shuriken]

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/features/00/02/24/ASIAN_BABES.html

[achtungbaby]

Great article. I'm gonna post it:) Thanks!

[kasia]

so...for the girls:

say [i:beb9d975aa]you[/i:beb9d975aa] yourself can spot an asiaphile a mile away. but say your close friends are actually [i:beb9d975aa]flattered[/i:beb9d975aa] when an asiaphile approaches them--and this does happen, often in the s.f. area...something about asian gals prizing their white guys...--what would your suggestion for action be? talk to your friend or say nothing at all?

btw, it's so weird spotting true asiaphiles. i was shopping the other day and so a really old white man with a 17 year old girl. -- i've seen couples like this a number of times now. usually, just naturally, i think, "oh, he's probably her adoptive father," or something like that. but when you actually see them kiss and her submissive and adoring gaze--you know something's wrong with that picture.

[tapestrybabe]

[quote:518b1e679e="kasia"]so...for the girls:

say [i:518b1e679e]you[/i:518b1e679e] yourself can spot an asiaphile a mile away. but say your close friends are actually [i:518b1e679e]flattered[/i:518b1e679e] when an asiaphile approaches them--and this does happen, often in the s.f. area...something about asian gals prizing their white guys...--what would your suggestion for action be? talk to your friend or say nothing at all?[/quote:518b1e679e]

Me, I would probably let them remain flattered. However, I would caution them about dating them.... Cuz I think white males ONLY into asians... are just weird...

[quote:518b1e679e="kasia"]btw, it's so weird spotting true asiaphiles. i was shopping the other day and saw a really old white man with a 17 year old girl. -- i've seen couples like this a number of times now. usually, just naturally, i think, "oh, he's probably her adoptive father," or something like that. but when you actually see them kiss and her submissive and adoring gaze--you know something's wrong with that picture. [/quote:518b1e679e]

It's not the difference in race, but its the difference in age that bothers me more. I mean, I see nothing wrong with a 30 year old female dating a 50 year old man, cuz those two people are adults. And this wide gap of age difference happens. Not just amongst straights, but amongst gay people too, and it happens amongst people who are in a inter racial relationship. I know of this, cuz I know the people personally. And it may seem odd, but it's not something I frown upon cuz I see them as 2 adults that are happy together. However, when a 17 year old female is dating a 37 year old man.... or even a 27 year old man.... I see something wrong with the picture... cuz she's seen as a teenager whose still growing, developing, and maturing, etc... Even if it's the other way around... a 17 year old guy dating a 37 year old female... it's not right. When there's such a huge age gap difference when it comes to dating... it should take place amongst 2 adult.. not amongst a kid and an adult.

[thaite]

HEY! [b:f35217ae14][i:f35217ae14]I[/i:f35217ae14][/b:f35217ae14] got kung fu skills. Any of you wanna date me?

[amietron]

I agree with Tbabe. Let them feel flattered.
It's all got to do with how you perceive it!
Karizma and I are both from the S.F. area.

[karizma]

>> i knew this guy, yes he was white. he lived in the san jose area...known for its large populations of vietnamese. this white guy, i call him chiquita, hung out in all the coffee shops known to be hot spots for viets...he spoke fluent vietnamese, had chinese tattoos, and hit only on asian girls. if this isnt a classic case of asiaphile i dont know what is. he hit on me and my friend. man oh man =/. also, i was listening to Loveline on 105.3 the other night...for those of you who dont know what it is its a radio talkshow where listeners call in to talk about their issues...this teenage caucasian female calls in and insists that she is a japanese girl stuck in a white girl's body. yes i found this quite amusing...kinda makes me think that females are also susceptible to this "yellow fever". yes it gets on my nerves when i see non-asians wear chinese apparel, and get oriental tattoos...i mean it really isnt a part of their culture, but on the other hand im kind of flattered that they think our culture is so cool theyd imitate it...after all imitation IS the highest form of flattery...so yea im torn...=/

[amietron]

OMG. There are tons of those chicks. I come upon their LJs sometimes when I hit the random button. They even give themselves Japanese names and such, and refer to themselves as "____ chan" rather than by their real names. Blame Sailor Moon and anime.

I haven't met any of those asiaphile males, though. Do you know of any at Aragon? In our area? :?

I think it's impressive that this white guy could speak Vietnamese fluently. If all of his knowledge or his interest with Vietnamese girls sprouted from his infatuation with the girls, then I guess it's a problem.. cus yeah, it's like "I've got myself an obedient little Asian wife" but erk~ what if he's just really into the culture, yada, yada, yada, and with culture comes ladies? I dunno, man. :!:

[OHTotoro]

I met a guy in my Art class that was a total Asiaphile in Culture. He actually even looked asian... almost. To the point where I asked him if he had any Asian grandparents or something. He was latino. He was into the girls, the lowered hondas, the art, even the music. He doesn't know what the hell they're saying but he listens anyways. He didn't strike me as the I wanna submissive almond eyed sex kitten. He was more like I wanna live in neo tokyo with mechas and lowered cars. So it didn't bother me at all. Plus all our shit kicks ass! Who isn't into Asian culture.

But to all you big burly white doods out dere - Why yall gotta be stealin all our fine Cho Sun Dynasty Princesses?!

[amietron]

If they're stealing all of your Cho Sun Dynasty princesses, it'd be in your best interest to give them a taste of their own medicine. Go "steal" their prized ladies.

[OHTotoro]

Nah...white chicks look like my ass. and my ass ain't pretty. j/k .... about my ass. It is very pretty. ok bad joke getting too long.

no I wrote that as a joke. Y'know how some black doods say "Damn they're stealin our nubian princesses." Well, I work at an online wedding photography company and my co-worker made a comment one day about how come she sees so many weddings with White Grooms and Asian Brides. and I said... Damn! why they gotta be stealin.. well you know. I actually think it'd be better if we were all mutts and we were all proud of our various cultures.

[amietron]

they wanna make pretty babies!
thought you worked at an electronic sweat shop.

there's ebony for black, right?
what is there for asian?
since we're yellow and all~

[OHTotoro]

Yeah the place is an electronic sweat shop. Sittin there in a row with a bunch of my coworkers in front of a computer screen uploading wedding pictures as fast as possible. We now have a little section in our company, we keep as dim as possible so that our image retouchers dont get glare into their computers, we call the hole. or was it the dungeon? I don't think we've decided yet.

Ummm...maybe "golden"? Imperial Yellow? Mustard? should there be a poll for what a flattering term for yellow is? hehe

[NotAsian]

[quote:940b17a562="OHTotoro"]Ummm...maybe "golden"? Imperial Yellow? Mustard? should there be a poll for what a flattering term for yellow is? hehe[/quote:940b17a562]

Saffron?

[OHTotoro]

OOoohhh Saffron. I like it. Plus isn't that stuff worth more than gold?

[NotAsian]

[quote:d7360d2841="Tapestrybabe"][quote:d7360d2841="kasia"]so...for the girls:

say [i:d7360d2841]you[/i:d7360d2841] yourself can spot an asiaphile a mile away. but say your close friends are actually [i:d7360d2841]flattered[/i:d7360d2841] when an asiaphile approaches them--and this does happen, often in the s.f. area...something about asian gals prizing their white guys...--what would your suggestion for action be? talk to your friend or say nothing at all?[/quote:d7360d2841]

Me, I would probably let them remain flattered. However, I would caution them about dating them.... Cuz I think white males ONLY into asians... are just weird... [/quote:d7360d2841]

Okay then, you think that. :cry: ....... ....... ....... :P

[quote:d7360d2841="kasia"]btw, it's so weird spotting true asiaphiles. i was shopping the other day and saw a really old white man with a 17 year old girl. -- i've seen couples like this a number of times now. usually, just naturally, i think, "oh, he's probably her adoptive father," or something like that. but when you actually see them kiss and her submissive and adoring gaze--you know something's wrong with that picture. [/quote:d7360d2841]

I thought about that a bit, and it just reminded me of a "naive Asian" stereotype. I dunno where it came from, probably from inside my mad head. Maybe it's because I used to know this Asian girl and she was totally clueless and you could probably convince her to jump off a bridge...

Umm, where was I going with this post? I dunno... :P

[amietron]

hows about urea?
isn't that the stuff that makes urine YELLOW?

[NotAsian]

[quote:1b321a85b4="amietron"]hows about urea?
isn't that the stuff that makes urine YELLOW?[/quote:1b321a85b4]

Well if you think that's flattering then by all means go ahead and use it :lol:

[amietron]

no, it's not flattering..
but it IS yellow.
reminded me of bio 110
and how YELLOW that stuff is.

original gatorade is also yellow-ish.

[OHTotoro]

why don't we try using them in a sentence?

like... Hey check out that white dood with that urea [colored] (do i use that whole term? "Urea colored chick" or is it just "Urea Chick")?

That Saffron guy's been starin at me for the last ten minutes... whats his problem?

Oh yeah the Original Gatorade colored punk over there stole my Honda sign. (does that still happen? am i old? ... y'know sometimes music is too loud for me... *sigh*)

[amietron]

You're not old. Your ears are just becoming more and more sensitive. :)

So which one do you like best? Bwahahaha..

[NotAsian]

How amusingly off-topic this thread has become...

[amietron]

Hooray for white guys!

[OHTotoro]

What the hell were we talking about before? oh yeah.... Asiaphiles....
um...
...
I like either Saffron or Urea to describe our skin tone. You know either somethin good or somethin bad. I'm torn.... I knida enjoy the fact that I could potentially be calling one of my friends a pee colored freak sometime in the near future.

[amietron]

yeah. it is kinda nice, isn't it? wouldn't it be cool to convince someone who didn't know what urea was, that it was something different? erk, no. that's actually kinda mean. nm.

you know what name is seemingly fitting? mellow yellow. :lol:
pwahahahhha.

[OHTotoro]

Sounds good! plus if we manage to get everybody to keep using it we could say we have a soda named after us! hmmm.... Or maybe people will just say we're named after a soda... well Being easy goin as well as pee colored that would describe me pretty acurately.

[karizma]

>> :twisted: weeeee...i like [b:7cdd625bcb]not[/b:7cdd625bcb] talking about the topic *frollicks in daisies*. hey amie guess what? i got a giraffe key chain...*wiggles it in front of ur face*....yes...im THAT cool.

>> :twisted: okay so we know what most of you guys think about white guys trying to act asian...now what about asians trying to act white? haha what would be a term for that? =/....caucasiaphiles? i dont know...for me its like betraying my culture...i mean its not like burning your homeland's flag while cutting out holes in your pillowcase and putting it over your head, screaming racist remarks and whatnot...but you know, i think you should know where your family originated and practice some traditions no matter what generation asian-american you are. esp chinese new year cause yknow...money in the [i:7cdd625bcb]hung bao[/i:7cdd625bcb]!! =D *cheese*

[kasia]

[quote:5a9fbf55d6="NotAsian"]I thought about that a bit, and it just reminded me of a "naive Asian" stereotype. I dunno where it came from, probably from inside my mad head. Maybe it's because I used to know this Asian girl and she was totally clueless and you could probably convince her to jump off a bridge...

[/quote:5a9fbf55d6]

that's exactly it. it's not young interracial couples that irk me...most of my friends and cousins are dating caucasians. but when it's an elderly white man and a young asian girl, i just start thinking about how the man is likely a veteran and of the views he probably holds of asian women (comfort girls) as a result of that experience.

[OHTotoro]

The last time i heard asians trying to be white were called bananas or twinkies. y'know yellow on the outside and white on the inside. I used to be like that... I didn't appreciate my heritage that much when I was younger. I even got myself kicked out of Korean School. I agree with Karizma. I think it's very important to know our customs and history. It's unfortunate that the older I get it seems I practice them less, although the older I get the more I appreciate it. Like I don't do the bowing on Chinese new year like I used to do as a child. My parents call back home to Korea on that day and I greet my relatives and what not, but thats about it.

[ChinaLama]

Yo, don't knock on twinkies. I'm a twinkie Extraordinaire.

Banana sounds kind of gay in English...I think FOBs say it best, esp Chinese FOBs, cuz in Chinese, Banana is "xiang jiao," which sounds a lot more derisive than "banana."

I don't really feel a NEED to follow traditions cuz I'm from Commie China, and Mao not too long ago tried to DESTROY all of CHinese culture. Not a bad idea either...all that patriarchy and obedience and ancestor worship. No offense, but when your ancestors are DEAD it's kind of a waste of time to worship them...

but that's weird, cuz Mao didn't succeed. I mean sure a lot of the subservience of women is gone now, but everyone still goes through ancestor worship, even atheists like my dad. But then again cuz my parents' ancestors were poor, we don't have an elaborate genealogy or anything. I don't know anyone farther back than my grandparents, and neither do my parents, I think. But because my parents still do all the remembrance rituals, maybe I will continue to do them, too, because it's a nice way of showing your love and respect, even if it's completely meaningless since people don't have souls...

But as for MOST cultural aspects...i think to some extent, maybe it's important, but I think there's a Too-much aspect to it, too. I mean,

[karizma]

[quote:9d7809fd77], even if it's completely meaningless since people don't have souls[/quote:9d7809fd77]

>> people dont have souls? what a disturbing thought. anyways, i enjoy honoring my ancestors, since yknow, without them i wouldnt be here. but i admit its rather awkward when a non-asian friend comes over and sees an altar with my dead grandfather's picture decorated with scrolls, incense, and surrounded by food. :? they give me that "wtf is that?" look and i shove them forcefully towards my room explaining that its his birthday [j/k].

>> yknow what cultural thing i absolutely hate? taking off my frickin' shoes when i enter a home...im so lazy and its a bitch when you've got strappy heels on...grr, oh well haha...

[Shuriken]

Does anyone here believe that asiaphilia is tantamount to pedophilia?

[NotAsian]

[quote:00e4c9ae2d="Shuriken"]Does anyone here believe that asiaphilia is tantamount to pedophilia?[/quote:00e4c9ae2d]

It's a good question, and one that begs the response, "What is your opinion of paedophilia?" :wink:

[quote:00e4c9ae2d] >> yknow what cultural thing i absolutely hate? taking off my frickin' shoes when i enter a home...im so lazy and its a bitch when you've got strappy heels on...grr, oh well haha...[/quote:00e4c9ae2d]

I didn't know that was cultural, I thought everybody did it. And it's not such a bad idea - it stops the muck you pick up on your shoes form outside spreading through your house.

[amietron]

hey WOOt?
am i easy going and pee colored?
i am, right?
right?

i like taking off my shoes. agree with notasian. keeps the mucky stuff outta the house. you know in japan, the kids have a pair of shoes just for inside of the school? so none of the outside dirt tracks into the building.

i <3 pommy 637. :D
pwwaahahahahaa.

[ChinaLama]

Umm ok, how is ASIAphilia tantamount (same as) PEDOphilia...one thing is liking, maybe young Asian women, the other is liking CHILDREN...

hmm, then again, maybe some asiaphiles are repressed pedophiles but can't admit they'd like to get w/ a little girl, so a small asian chick is just as good. :wink:

but hey it's all good. i mean greek men had sex w/ young boys or whatever and look at all the cool people they turned out. 8)


taking off shoes is actually pretty cool. Well, i'm so used to it anyway that i sometimes hardly remember when NOT to take my shoes off, if i'm over at a white kid's home.

Anyway, I don't think people have eternally immortal souls, cuz it doesn't really make sense to me. I mean why would you live beyond the time your brain waves die? and plus, when does the soul form if it exists? does it only form when you're a kid and actually become conscious, or does it form as soon as the sperm unites with the egg? So, that's also why i'm a little puzzled that people who DON'T believe in souls and eternal afterlife, like my dad, still carry out traditions that seem to assume the existence of a soul. Then again, I guess maybe i'm looking at it too much from a western viewpoint, cuz I think Confucius advocated ancestor worship, too, but for practical purposes, like keeping order or maintaining respect, even though I think he didn't believe in an afterlife either.

[achtungbaby]

[quote:e032cde3dd="Shuriken"]Does anyone here believe that asiaphilia is tantamount to pedophilia?[/quote:e032cde3dd]

I think they're both reprehensible, but they are different. Pedophilia is some sick, twisted disease that curiously affects a lot of white males, whereas asiaphilia is a sick, twisted disease that affects all males (me on occasion).

[OHTotoro]

yknow whats weird? When I get to my house I always take my shoes off. But then when I get to an asians friends place more often then not I leave my shoes on and forget that they take their shoes off.

Sometimes even if someone doesn't believe in souls or afterlife or whatnot can still be comforted by going through the motions of a tradition. Let's say a person close to you had passed on... like my mother for instance. She believes in souls and is a very spiritual person. Right now I'm on the fence about spirituality, but it still comforts me to know that my mom might be in nirvana rather than reincarnated as a groundhog if she died. So I might lift up a prayer in front of my moms picture whether I believed it all or not. Did any of that make sense? Maybe I can't explain myself that well... oh well

[ChinaLama]

yeah, you make sense, cuz my dad doesn't believe in the afterlife or God or anything like that, and he's not all that traditional either. Yet, he still keeps all the parents' remembrance rituals, and he breaks down whenever he's holding the ritual, especially for his dad, because of all the emotions involved.

My condolences for your mom.

[OHTotoro]

Oh shit! I didn't mean my mom was dead

I was just saying for example. SHIT! i mean i should have used "hypothetically"

sorry about that.

[karizma]

>> i dont know i dont think i could ever accept the fact that when your physical being is not functioning anymore that you just disappear into oblivion. im just not satisfied with that there [b:4e630eb8df]has[/b:4e630eb8df] to be something after that, whether its being reincarnated into an emu or going to hell/heaven. and you know how some swear they feel there's someone watching over them from beyond the grave...yea i feel that with my parents. so yknow...maybe its just the way im brought up or maybe i have nothing else to believe? *shrug*

>> *i didnt know what tantamount meant*

>> i just dont like taking off my shoes because its a bother to put them back on...and my shoes are usually not [b:4e630eb8df]that[/b:4e630eb8df] dirty. but yknow to be polite i take them off anyway *grumble grumble*

>> asiaphilia and pedophilia? one is bareable and one is just plain sick. 'nuff said.

>> hey amie...your easy going but id say more of a pancake color...unburnt of course puahaha you love my dog?...okay so asiaphilia, pedophilia...now wutcha think about beastiality? =D

[amietron]

I'm not into beastiality. I don't think I'm kinky enough for it. Pwahaha. I'm an unburnt pancake? So that means I'm an uncooked pancake? Like.. pancake batter or something? That shizz pasty and white. :/

[karizma]

>> well an unburnt pancake doesnt necessarily mean uncooked haha. iono what kinda pancakes YOUR eating shooot...but actually yea i think pancake batter has that yellowish tint to it hahaha...plus, you look kinda goopy jp jp jp. puahaha...

[amietron]

THAT'S the biggest insult EVER!
Calling me goopy pancake batter.
PSHHHHHH.

I like making pancakes. :D
Mixing pancake mix with liquids is fun.
I wanna get married and be a mommy, dammit.
Someone marry me.

[NotAsian]

[quote:ff1a6ab02d="achtungbaby"][quote:ff1a6ab02d="Shuriken"]Does anyone here believe that asiaphilia is tantamount to pedophilia?[/quote:ff1a6ab02d]

I think they're both reprehensible, but they are different. Pedophilia is some sick, twisted disease that curiously affects a lot of white males, whereas asiaphilia is a sick, twisted disease that affects all males (me on occasion).[/quote:ff1a6ab02d]

Well I don't know what you mean by a sick twisted disease but I hope you weren't implying that aisaphiles - or even paedophiles - are sick or twisted :P

The only time we ever hear of paedophiles is when one of the loonier examples does something truly awful - imagine being a paedophile yourself, against your will. Doesn't sound like too pleasant a proposition does it?

umm anyway, point is, I can't understand why people despise asiaphiles or paedophiles so much.

Personally I pity paedophiles.

[ChinaLama]

thumbs up for NotAsian! I think it's a mark of intolerance that we as a society still think of pedophilia as something evil instead of just an illness like any other. And i think it's unfair to judge ppl w/ illnesses, especially b/c a lot of pedophiles who turn into child molestors were themselves molested as kids.

As for Asiaphiles...i suppose ppl only despise the racist aspects of ppl who only like Asians b/c of some perceived "exotic" charm. I don't think anyone thinks it's wrong to like Asians to begin with.

I was also a bit shocked and had an urge to flame Shuriken when i first saw his post, cuz if you're saying Asiaphilia and pedophilia are the same, you're saying all Asian women are like children, i.e, incapable of making adult decisions and incapable of giving informed consent to sex, which was a very offensive and racist idea. But that was reading TOO into the question, cuz Shuriken probably just meant is it similarly reprehensible for a person to go after a child as it is for a person to go after someone b/c of her race?

But even then i don't think the two are equivalent, b/c Asian women are capable of saying "No," whereas a kid may not be able to, or even if a kid says "yes" it can't have the same weight as an adult or near-adult saying "yes." I mean there is a BIG difference between a 17 yr old girl and a 12 yr old boy.

Pedophilia, BTW, is a medication condition meaning sexual attraction to PREPUBESCENT children...it does NOt mean attraction to "minors" because "minors" is a pretty arbitrary term that just sets a certain age as the one where ppl can be "adults," while there are a lot of ppl below that age who are more responsible than ppl above that age.

[kasia]

[quote:384be8b1bb="Shuriken"]Does anyone here believe that asiaphilia is tantamount to pedophilia?[/quote:384be8b1bb]


kinda. who here has seen the world of suzie wong? i think the guy was a pedophile as much as he was an asiaphile. suzie wong was pretty but i think she acted like his kid more than his other half.

BUT the real quesiton is--do you think this is really a stereotype or reality? maybe deep down, us asian girls really want to be someone's little kumquat.

kumquat, kumquat.

[kasia]

Not Asian:

i think it's only an assumption that they can't help it or that it is an illness. there is evidence in support of it, but none is conclusive. ultimately, it is an question that can never be truly answered--such as, do we truly have free will...

poor people are predisposed to commit crimes but not all commit crimes.

further, for those that do, shouldn't they stop after being punished the first few times?

and if not, if they truly can't help it, why can't we despise them for putting our lives in danger? even if they can't help it, it would difficult for us to think, "oh, isn't this an unfortunate state of affairs--that we're probably going to get killed walking down this block?" unlikely. hatred stems from fear and have every reason to fear them.

i despise smelly people even if they can't help it. especially people who need root canals or with cavities. i despise them when they come near me.

[amietron]

kumquat. pwahahahahahahaha.
my grandma has a kumquat tree.
those mini-orange things, right?

[NotAsian]

[quote:c95ddc604e="kasia"]i think it's only an assumption that they can't help it or that it is an illness. there is evidence in support of it, but none is conclusive. ultimately, it is an question that can never be truly answered--such as, do we truly have free will...
[/quote:c95ddc604e]

Hmm, if you are talking about evidence then you have no first hand experience (or even second-hand experiecne from someone you know and trust) of having a... umm... what should I call it?

[quote:c95ddc604e]
poor people are predisposed to commit crimes but not all commit crimes.

further, for those that do, shouldn't they stop after being punished the first few times?

and if not, if they truly can't help it, why can't we despise them for putting our lives in danger? even if they can't help it, it would difficult for us to think, "oh, isn't this an unfortunate state of affairs--that we're probably going to get killed walking down this block?" unlikely. hatred stems from fear and have every reason to fear them.
[/quote:c95ddc604e]

You're confusing poor people and poor people who commit crimes. By using this analogy you are therefore confusing paedophiles with paedophiles who assault children or do whatever. This is the biggest most fundamental issue I'm trying to address here.

Notice that I said I pity paedophiles. I also dislike criminals. I have had bad experiences with criminals :p And those paedophiles that are featured on the news, that commit heinous crimes, those are the people I hate. It's the ones we don't get to hear about that I truly pity ;)

The same thing applies to Asiaphiles, although less so because they don't have such a hard time having a successful sex life and they don't all get labelled as evil rapists or whatever. Of course it also means that I hate the ones that [i:c95ddc604e]are[/i:c95ddc604e] rapists, but I pretty much dislike all rapists ;) Umm, where am I going with this? Oh yeah - I was just gonna say I also dislike (although not quite so much) those people that were mentioned at the start of this topic who come up to you and greet you in Vhinese and stuff, and start talking all this bullshit, but as I've said already they're pricks :D

[mrazntre]

i'd like to bring up another similar concept.

I think this particular situation pisses me off the most. Asian women (usually women, but men also) who purposefully find a cockasian to marry. And why do they marry them? Because it's a sign that they've "made it." WTF! I have no clue where this started from (actually I do, but it's rather drawn out). Am I the only one seeing this? Or does someone else out there see me eye to eye? My best example, but certainly not the only, is of..ding ding ding. Old Vietnamese women. Everytime I go to LittleSaigon, I see these 50 yr old women wearing hoochie momma strap shoes, little back packs, skirts, bling blingin, and hording a shit load of make up. Oh yah, don't forget the plastic surgery. *Shiver* wrinkled up old women shot up with silicone. Nasty yo. And their most important possesion you ask? The 70 yr old fat white guy holding their purse and acting occupied as the woman yak yaks to her friends about her gold diggin ways. It's even funnier when you hear the old women trying to speak english and shoutin orders to the cockasian.

hmm... i had more meaningful things to say also, but I lost my train of thought. uhmm. go LAKERS!

BTW- Karizma good topic you posed, ooh strappy shoes *wink*
amietron - I dun wanna be referred to as Urea, or any other bodily excretions.
kasia- ur friends have cockasian lUpperz. u lup cockasian. i mean, u lup asiancock. hEh!
i also agree with the guy that said white women don't look good to him. Me too! I don't care to get with white women. It's not that I'm scared or feel to puny to hit on them. I don't care for white women that have freckles on their breasts. EWWWWWWWWWWWw. I like my women yellow.

damn. and there are others who said something really good that I wanted to comment on. shiet..

re: being flattered when rice chasers check you out. those people are usually flattered cuz they're booty as hell and the only thing they got going is their "exoticness." I mean, look at Lucy Liu! bARF. And what's that other chick in Crouching Tiger? the wannabe Wudan student. She's nasty. NASTY. Mebbe I have bad taste in women?

[karizma]

>> strappy shoes? haha...oh so random. and....GO NETS PUAHAHA LAKERS CAN SUCK HAIRY BALLS shaq is a gorilla and kobe doesnt know how to make shoes hahaha....yea so much for carrying myself in a mature manner. =).

>> two of my aunts [both blood sisters] have married white men, i realize that this may have upset their parents as they were very traditional and whatnot...but yknow, when i see them together as husband and wife and children you can almost feel the pure love emanating from them, a truly happy family and you know its not based on money or looks or what have you. and if a white guy can make my aunties that happy then hey... they're a-ok in my book *cheese*

[wylin]

re: being flattered when rice chasers check you out. those people are usually flattered cuz they're booty as hell and the only thing they got going is their "exoticness." I mean, look at Lucy Liu! bARF. And what's that other chick in Crouching Tiger? the wannabe Wudan student. She's nasty. NASTY. Mebbe I have bad taste in women?[/quote]

lol Sy, yah lucy liu is barf nasty. i agree w/ his post bout most rice chasers picking booty girls, im all for them as long as they leave the nice ones to us Asian guyz!
:twisted:

[daiquiri_bubble]

asiaphiles piss me off but lately i've been trying to be more specific with my reasons. i love half asian guys, some of my best frenz love blondes. this guy i know is addicted to girls with green eyes. so these asiaphiles can be no different, merely preferring one look to another.

i think we should only get offended if it comes with the stereotype that asian girls will be their little china dolls, subservient and all as well. but i agree that its time asians started flaunting the mono eyelids. i think they're beautiful-a trait unique to only asian people. my eyes are "almond" shaped on my "full moon" face but i wouldnt have it any other way.

[kasia]

[quote:5015a41bdd="daiquiri_bubble"]

but i agree that its time asians started flaunting the mono eyelids. i think they're beautiful-a trait unique to only asian people. my eyes are "almond" shaped on my "full moon" face but i wouldnt have it any other way.[/quote:5015a41bdd]

i agree that single-eyelids can be very attractive on asians--guys and gals.

however, i'd just like to point out that about 1/3 to 1/2 of asians are born with double-eyelids. i think some non-asians may be confused in thinking that all asians have single eyelids. i used to get very little sleep and manipulate my eyelids a certain way so that i would have single eyelids--because i wanted to look more asian. :)

[mrazntre]

i have double eyelids. i thought that was normal. most viet people i know have double eyelids. i think that was more of a stereotype that white peole made to all asians because they had a lot of contact with chinese and korean people. though i do know a lot of chinese and korean people that have double eyelids. i dunno. it's the same thing how those whities called vietnamese people gooks. I mean... WTF? white people are so stupid they can't differentiate one country from another. I suppose they had a brain lapse when they moved from the korean war to the vietnam war.

"all a 'em look like ching-chongs to me."

ignorance is bliss..

bliss is the utopian state, which was the basis for the creation of the United States of America.

Spice1 + Ice Cube said it best - [b:eade6dd30d]AmeriKKKa [/b:eade6dd30d]

"Thank you for being an American citizen!"
(mutterings from a bum I overheard one day as he passed through my neighborhood shortly after the 9-11, uhm.. i guess tragedy)

Shit, I'm staying put in Los Angeles, cuz being an American citizen is tightly restricted demographically. I drove to Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. All I saw were white people. Everywhere! I thought I'd see some Hispanics sprinkled about, but no. All whities. As if those secluded white American citizens would treat me the same as anyone else. My freedom as an American citizen might be boundless in communities that have been inundated with minorities, however, my citizenship does not alter my skin color so that I might be treated equally in all areas of America the free.

btw, for some reason I like girls with blonde hair, but not white girls wit blonde hair.

does that make me weird?

[NotAsian]

[quote:ae7d492159="mrazntre"]Asian women (usually women, but men also) who purposefully find a [b:ae7d492159]cockasian[/b:ae7d492159] to marry.[/quote:ae7d492159]

Can you not write even one single post without insulting White people in any way?

[mrazntre]

notasian: have you checked in the auto and sports section?

[phism]

i'm pissed off because somehow i got the reputation of being an asiaphile. i think it's largely due to a freshman girl i know, to whom i was talking about how i listen to j-pop...and she's hapa...and i don't know, i just said something about how cute asian girls rock. i meant rock, musically.

and it doesn't help my argument that half of my past girlfriends have been asian. but honestly, that doesn't have anything to do with it. if anything, i have a fondness for southwest-asian american girls. and irish girls. uh, anyway. girls are all pretty, fuck it.

[achtungbaby]

[quote:6050b499ff="phism"]i meant rock, musically...girls are all pretty, fuck it.[/quote:6050b499ff]

That's my motto :D

[princess]

whoa i had never heard of asiaphiles until now. this is an actual TERM? 8O but anywayz i think the reason i fall for asian guys is cuz they identify with me a lot better. i've had some pretty creepy non-asian guys come up to me with the assumptions that have been listed (sex toy, submissive, etc) and its gross!! i hope i dont offend anyone with this comment, but here in LA a lot of mexican guys, particularly older MEN, seem to have these misconceptions and check out/hit on asian females like mad. yuck. the media sux for reinforcing these stereotypes.

[achtungbaby]

This was stolen from Feigned Justice (http://www.geocities.com/feigned_justice/asiaphiledef.html)...

[quote:322f6fa54b]What is Asiaphilia?

Asiaphilia is the objectification and exotification of Asian culture, including Asian women and Asian men. Often this is done without the perpetrator being conscious of it. On the contrary, he may think that his "preference" for Asian women is a form of flattery and tribute to the Asian culture. But what he has done is created an "other." This "other" is something that he can admire from a distance, that he does not have to engage in full. Essentially he is taking a culture and stripping it of its inherent worth, creating a perception of that culture that serves only him, and is beneficial to only him. He takes what is trendy or convenient and leaves the rest as carnage. This is a false and damaging appreciation of another culture. Most Asiaphiles will defend themselves on that assertion by saying that they have developed interpersonal relatinships with the Asian women they are with, making that women more than a "perception," into a "reality." While this is not a complete fallacy, these relationships more often than not are built on foundations of fetishization. It is very evident from the statement of alleged Asiaphiles on AsianAvenue that they approach women based strictly on a racialized perceptions. Clear examples of this come from members like Asian_Lover who say that "Asian girls are more educated and always dress nice," or Ilikecuteasians who asserts that Asain women have that "cute little Asian accent, and that `exotic` factor." These stereotypes are hamful to our community because it paints us as objects first and humans second, not to mention that these perceptions are complete fabrications of white male fantasy. [/quote:322f6fa54b]

[deez nuts]

I for one will go on record and say I love Asian women!

Seriously, has it a really become such an annoyance factor for Asian women? Has it gotten that bad? It's hard for me to relate to this being a guy. But I have heard everything from flattery to disgust from Asian women that I know.

[kasia]

[quote:cbd36e4094="Chasiubao_Boy"]I for one will go on record and say I love Asian women!

Seriously, has it a really become such an annoyance factor for Asian women? Has it gotten that bad? It's hard for me to relate to this being a guy. But I have heard everything from flattery to disgust from Asian women that I know.[/quote:cbd36e4094]

it's patronizing.

[DaBestSpooner]

hey Phism whatcha doing here?

Hollah!

-Ricky

[quote:23405bf0d0="phism"]i'm pissed off because somehow i got the reputation of being an asiaphile. i think it's largely due to a freshman girl i know, to whom i was talking about how i listen to j-pop...and she's hapa...and i don't know, i just said something about how cute asian girls rock. i meant rock, musically.

and it doesn't help my argument that half of my past girlfriends have been asian. but honestly, that doesn't have anything to do with it. if anything, i have a fondness for southwest-asian american girls. and irish girls. uh, anyway. girls are all pretty, fuck it.[/quote:23405bf0d0]

[LilCPChik]

dis guy at my school haha he's goth 2.. he really goes 4 azn gurlz.. he even went wit a half jap gurl just cuz she was half jap.. then he went wit my fren 4 like a week..she's thai

[mizkisses]

i have a few non-asian friends who have asian fetishes. i find it flattering though. it's better than having them discriminate against us, right?

right.

besides, some white boys are hot. and no, i'm not a..uh..a..uh.. "caucasiaphile" if that..works...

i'm loving this topic, i think i'm going to write an article about it. :lol:

[deez nuts]

Ok gonna play devil's advocate here. I am not denying the existence of Asiaphiliacs. And, it objectifies and stereotypes Asian women. But, isn't it more of a fetish.

For example, nothing turns me on more than a woman wearing those boots that go up to the bottom of the knee aka da F.M. Boots. Yes, i am objectifying that woman when I see her, sue me I'm a guy. Does this make me a FMbootphile?

[mrazntre]

so you find it flattering that asiaphiles only go for you due to your "exotic looks," submissive behavior, quiet demeanor, and because you know your second citizen position in society?

good for you.

[mizkisses]

[quote:07ad0695dd="mrazntre"]so you find it flattering that asiaphiles only go for you due to your "exotic looks," submissive behavior, quiet demeanor, and because you know your second citizen position in society?

good for you.[/quote:07ad0695dd]

eek. no. well...i guess the guys i know just have a "thing" for asian girls. not because of their "exotic looks" and submissive behavior yada yada and whatnot...ick, i didn't look at it like that...

from my point of view, i was..well..you're right. aw damnit.

eh. i'm at a loss of words. it's an interesting topic though. if you put it THAT way, then yah, that's..that's not good. :oops:

[achtungbaby]

[quote:a7660fd3ac="Chasiubao_Boy"]Does this make me a FMbootphile?[/quote:a7660fd3ac]

Yes it does, you sick, sick, sick bastard!

I'm on expert on Asiaphilia but I believe it has more to do with objectification combined with the desire to subjugate. Can someone else help me out here...?

[achtungbaby]

[quote:0328db21e5="mizkisses"]

i'm loving this topic, i think i'm going to write an article about it. :lol:[/quote:0328db21e5]

Yes...a yellowworld.org article! :D

[mizkisses]

[quote:8eb5a401bf="achtungbaby"][quote:8eb5a401bf="mizkisses"]

i'm loving this topic, i think i'm going to write an article about it. :lol:[/quote:8eb5a401bf]

Yes...a yellowworld.org article! :D[/quote:8eb5a401bf]

actually, my friend is like the editor of this asian american youth newspaper thingy and i write for it and yah...yellowword.org is such an inspiration hardy har har.

no seriously. i get great ideas and lots of stuff to think about from here. yay for yellowworld.org!

[achtungbaby]

[quote:b5aa954c02="mizkisses"]

eh. i'm at a loss of words. it's an interesting topic though. if you put it THAT way, then yah, that's..that's not good. :oops:[/quote:b5aa954c02]

Okay, you made me go and look for a better definition:

http://www.geocities.com/feigned_justice/asiaphiledef.html

[quote:b5aa954c02]Asiaphilia is the objectification and exotification of Asian culture, including Asian women and Asian men. Often this is done without the perpetrator being conscious of it. On the contrary, he may think that his "preference" for Asian women is a form of flattery and tribute to the Asian culture. But what he has done is created an "other." This "other" is something that he can admire from a distance, that he does not have to engage in full. Essentially he is taking a culture and stripping it of its inherent worth, creating a perception of that culture that serves only him, and is beneficial to only him. He takes what is trendy or convenient and leaves the rest as carnage. This is a false and damaging appreciation of another culture. Most Asiaphiles will defend themselves on that assertion by saying that they have developed interpersonal relatinships with the Asian women they are with, making that women more than a "perception," into a "reality." While this is not a complete fallacy, these relationships more often than not are built on foundations of fetishization. It is very evident from the statement of alleged Asiaphiles on AsianAvenue that they approach women based strictly on a racialized perceptions. Clear examples of this come from members like Asian_Lover who say that "Asian girls are more educated and always dress nice," or Ilikecuteasians who asserts that Asain women have that "cute little Asian accent, and that `exotic` factor." These stereotypes are hamful to our community because it paints us as objects first and humans second, not to mention that these perceptions are complete fabrications of white male fantasy. [/quote:b5aa954c02]

I'm not sure if I completely agree with the causality of it all, but there are certainly a lot of reasonable examples there to support the argument. Does this mean that all white men who date Asian women or marry them are Asiaphiles? No. But definitely be weirded out by the guys who do go solely after Asian women because they have some "preference" that they can't quite articulate.

[mrazntre]

mizkisses: i think that the racial stereotype that turns asiaphiles on is what we're discussing, at least that's how i see it. and nope, it's not flattering at all.

it's okay, mebbe some guys like you for your personality or something.