military recruitment + women

[amietron]

Do you think the military will really start manditory recruitment for women under 18-25? If they did, would you be willing to fight for your country? Are there any ways to get around having to be on the battle front-- becoming a doctor, etc? Or is the only other option to flee the country and never come back?

[wylin]

they should women are just as good as men as soldiers they can be just as skilled and just as adept. The main reason they dont want women soldiers is the problem and reality of Rape for front line women soldiers as a type of torture. But then we forget men can be subjected to such degregation as well.

I'd fight if i got drafted why not, ur doing sum thing sorta righteous and really have no choice.

[angel nympho]

If I got drafted, I guess I'd have no other choice, right? But I don't think they're going to be reinstating the draft for men even. It'll take a lot for the government to start drafting again. The numbers in the military are way up. So I'd say we're good for the next several years at least.

[tapestrybabe]

is it just me that feels glad its not mandatory for females to be recruited into the military?? women may make just as good of a soldier as a man... but me, i think i would feel too scared with the thoughts of having to get drafted..

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 3 2002, 10:53 AM
they should women are just as good as men as soldiers they can be just as skilled and just as adept.
This may sound a little un-pc, but I disagree. There are differences between men and women -- physical differences -- that enable men to have certain advantages in something like combat.

How many female Navy Seals are there?

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Sep 3 2002, 10:53 AM
they should women are just as good as men as soldiers they can be just as skilled and just as adept.
This may sound a little un-pc, but I disagree. There are differences between men and women -- physical differences -- that enable men to have certain advantages in something like combat.

How many female Navy Seals are there?
I heartily disagree. Unless you happen to be damn good with a firearm of some sort, I could take you if we had relatively equal firepower. Most combat of a military sort is not hand to hand these days.

[wylin]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Sep 3 2002, 10:53 AM
they should women are just as good as men as soldiers they can be just as skilled and just as adept.
This may sound a little un-pc, but I disagree. There are differences between men and women -- physical differences -- that enable men to have certain advantages in something like combat.

How many female Navy Seals are there?
none , no female navy seals except for Demi Moore =P AKA Gi Jane

but then again its possible the physical differences have been elviated in female bodybuilding Via steriods. For foot soldiers i honestly think women shouldnt be foot soldiers. Pilots, tank crews, drivers, on boats, etc is fine but running around in the dirt the aspects of rape and the phyisical inability to be as strong as a man makes them a liability.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Sep 3 2002, 10:53 AM
they should women are just as good as men as soldiers they can be just as skilled and just as adept.
This may sound a little un-pc, but I disagree. There are differences between men and women -- physical differences -- that enable men to have certain advantages in something like combat.

How many female Navy Seals are there?
none , no female navy seals except for Demi Moore =P AKA Gi Jane

but then again its possible the physical differences have been elviated in female bodybuilding Via steriods. For foot soldiers i honestly think women shouldnt be foot soldiers. Pilots, tank crews, drivers, on boats, etc is fine but running around in the dirt the aspects of rape and the phyisical inability to be as strong as a man makes them a liability.
dude i hate to tell you this but every woman everywhere at all time is in danger from rape, and not always stranger/enemy rape during war. plus i don't know where you get the idea that men are immune from rape.

i would never be a foot soldier but i could make a damn fine infiltrator, assassin or sniper. when it's war, real war, women *always* come to the front lines. it's when there is enough resources and government to regulate who should and shouldn't go to war that gender becomes an issue. the best example of this is during rebellions or underground resistance.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 4 2002, 08:36 AM
I heartily disagree. Unless you happen to be damn good with a firearm of some sort, I could take you if we had relatively equal firepower. Most combat of a military sort is not hand to hand these days.
Sure, everyone argues these days that today's warfare isn't up close and ugly anymore, and I think we'd all like to get to this point someday, but it's still a reality. So why hassle with having to determine what missions would be suitable or unsuitable for women...?

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 4 2002, 08:52 AM
it's when there is enough resources and government to regulate who should and shouldn't go to war that gender becomes an issue.
Which describe our present circumstances.

Am gonna move this over to Rant Room...I feel a firestorm brewing:P

[kimpossible]

actually, the move was a good call.

*pats AB on the shoulder*

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 4 2002, 08:58 AM
actually, the move was a good call.

*pats AB on the shoulder*
I sense you have a knife in your other hand... :ph34r:

[wylin]

like i said women make good pilots and engineers. those are combat type position but i really think we shouldnt be putting women in the position to both offend other cultures and in physically streneous dangerous situations. Why simple ur not amazons our women need more supplies then men and will be phyiscally impared or powered up at times of the month (depending on physiology)

Women make dam good macross valkerie pilots but until we have eliminated the need for infantry fighting in cities i think women should be kept outa combat because it complicated missions also what happens if they find out their pregnant on the battlefield? or get raped and are impregnated w/ enemy soldiers children...? so many things to think about!

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by amietron@Sep 3 2002, 01:10 PM
Are there any ways to get around having to be on the battle front-- becoming a doctor, etc? Or is the only other option to flee the country and never come back?
Being an MD exempts you from the draft?
Wow did not know that.

If it came to it, I would volunteer and be Bunboy Field Medic! :ph34r:

women can be snipers since they have a better eye for things than us men! ok that was really weak.

[kimpossible]

Not at all. This is gettin' ranty. :angry:

It is frustrating to hear males say "Women can not be effective as soldiers in war," when said males (I've heard this before) talking usually have zero experience with firearms, the preferred killing weapon and "They can't go to war because they'll be raped," when the reported statistics is 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted with the actual numbers estimated much, much higher.

If someone can tell me "Yeah I can rapidly group vitals at 75 ft without using single action, I don't flinch, I'm used to the light/noise and I know that drawing my weapon means I am psychologically ready to use it to kill," put me in my place.

::much love AB :D this is just a an enjoyable fight::

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 4 2002, 12:20 PM


If someone can tell me "Yeah I can rapidly group vitals at 75 ft without using single action, I don't flinch, I'm used to the light/noise and I know that drawing my weapon means I am psychologically ready to use it to kill," put me in my place.

::much love AB  :D  this is just a an enjoyable fight::
Woah. What a woman.

Edit I know I probably couldn't do it. I had unexplored issues bucking bambi when I went hunting with my pops.



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[wylin]

thats a pistol thing HH, im guessing. Since ur talkin bout putting aimed shots at 75 feet w/ a double/single action pistol but not firing bursts.
Anyone can have courage underfire and accuracy, but really do u want ur sisters and mothers being shot at, having their arms and legs bown off, bleeding having their intestines gush out, stepping on mines, etc? No i dont think so i rather have them backing me up from above while i fight OTHER MEN from the OTHER SIDE.



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[angel nympho]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 4 2002, 08:36 AM
I heartily disagree. Unless you happen to be damn good with a firearm of some sort, I could take you if we had relatively equal firepower. Most combat of a military sort is not hand to hand these days.
Sure, everyone argues these days that today's warfare isn't up close and ugly anymore, and I think we'd all like to get to this point someday, but it's still a reality. So why hassle with having to determine what missions would be suitable or unsuitable for women...?
All missions are suitable for women. Women are equal powers on the battlefield, although they might be stronger in some aspects and weaker in others. Women are more calculated, and they don't get all *Rambo* on anybody... gettin' all crazy, shooting everything that movies. Maybe it'd be a help to have a different kind of power out there.

You're right. Why hassle with having to determine what would be right for women? Just let them do everything men are allowed to do. It can be up to the woman whether or not she wants to do it.

[wylin]

alright angel time to enlist! i want you as infantry carrying the FN 5.56 Squad Machinegun and 1 additional clip of ammo. also i want you to run 400 meters with it and give sum covering fire!

[achtungbaby]

Just to throw some more meat on the fire: do you all think that female police officers are as effective as male officers?

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 05:28 PM
alright angel time to enlist! i want you as infantry carrying the FN 5.56 Squad Machinegun and 1 additional clip of ammo. also i want you to run 400 meters with it and give sum covering fire!
Hey, not ALL men are right for the military, just like how not ALL women are right for the military. So umm... no thanks.

[wylin]

depends i dont see them much doing swat or other para military opperations.

a woman can be fine patrolling the streets, handling a dog, etc. but thats not combat and thats not 1000's of people shooting at each other in cities or on the battlefield.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 05:31 PM
depends i dont see them much doing swat or other para military opperations.

a woman can be fine patrolling the streets, handling a dog, etc. but thats not combat and thats not 1000's of people shooting at each other in cities or on the battlefield.
Women can't pull a trigger? My daddy took me to a shooting range on my 16th birthday and thought it was nuts how much I liked pulling that trigger.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 09:28 AM
alright angel time to enlist! i want you as infantry carrying the FN 5.56 Squad Machinegun and 1 additional clip of ammo. also i want you to run 400 meters with it and give sum covering fire!
I'd be able to give you cover fire, but...400 meters?

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 09:25 AM
thats a pistol thing HH, im guessing. Since ur talkin bout putting aimed shots at 75 feet w/ a double/single action pistol but not firing bursts.
Anyone can have courage underfire and accuracy, but really do u want ur sisters and mothers being shot at, having their arms and legs bown off, bleeding having their intestines gush out, stepping on mines, etc? No i dont think so i rather have them backing me up from above while i fight OTHER MEN from the OTHER SIDE.
wylin, i don't want that to happen to ANYONE i know and the only male in my family that has not served in the military lifelong is my husband who is NOT a fighter. I'm packing his ass off to Canada or Taiwan if the time comes that he's drafted.

And, if you're ass was in the sling and you picked some pantspisser who would hesitate to pull a trigger, just because he had a penis, over a woman who could get you out alive, that's your choice.

War affects women whether they're on the frontlines or not. If given the choice of my mother or sister being able to fight to the very end or being left at home to suffer occupation and colonization and all the horrors that go with it, I would proudly let them fight alongside me.

btw, my mother is in the military and can be called to duty. She's already told me she'd serve and I respect that choice.

[deez nuts]

If they pass bootcamp and the necessary training. I mean why not? But on the flip side, they should be subjected to the same boot camp and training regimen as the guys, especially for the elite corps.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 4 2002, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 09:25 AM
thats a pistol thing HH, im guessing. &nbsp;Since ur talkin bout putting aimed shots at 75 feet w/ a double/single action pistol but not firing bursts.
Anyone can have courage underfire and accuracy, but really do u want ur sisters and mothers being shot at, having their arms and legs bown off, bleeding having their intestines gush out, stepping on mines, etc? No i dont think so i rather have them backing me up from above while i fight OTHER MEN from the OTHER SIDE.
wylin, i don't want that to happen to ANYONE i know and the only male in my family that has not served in the military lifelong is my husband who is NOT a fighter. I'm packing his ass off to Canada or Taiwan if the time comes that he's drafted.

And, if you're ass was in the sling and you picked some pantspisser who would hesitate to pull a trigger, just because he had a penis, over a woman who could get you out alive, that's your choice.

War affects women whether they're on the frontlines or not. If given the choice of my mother or sister being able to fight to the very end or being left at home to suffer occupation and colonization and all the horrors that go with it, I would proudly let them fight alongside me.

btw, my mother is in the military and can be called to duty. She's already told me she'd serve and I respect that choice.
well said.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 09:31 AM
depends i dont see them much doing swat or other para military opperations.

a woman can be fine patrolling the streets, handling a dog, etc. but thats not combat and thats not 1000's of people shooting at each other in cities or on the battlefield.
dude, have you ever shot with cops and soldiers? I have since I was 5 years old. Most of them, trained mind you, can't hit squat. As for being under fire, no unit, army or team is immune from friendly fire.

[kimpossible]

still love my Car God wylin though :P

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 09:35 AM
But on the flip side, they should be subjected to the same boot camp and training regimen as the guys, especially for the elite corps.
Exactly, and to my knowledge, no woman has ever been able to finish the SEALs regimen.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 09:35 AM
But on the flip side, they should be subjected to the same boot camp and training regimen as the guys, especially for the elite corps.
Exactly, and to my knowledge, no woman has ever been able to finish the SEALs regimen.
I concede to that 100%. No woman is going to match strength with a male toe-to-toe, pound for pound.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 09:35 AM
But on the flip side, they should be subjected to the same boot camp and training regimen as the guys, especially for the elite corps.
Exactly, and to my knowledge, no woman has ever been able to finish the SEALs regimen.
There's a first time for everything.

Surely a lot of men don't finish it, too.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 09:35 AM
But on the flip side, they should be subjected to the same boot camp and training regimen as the guys, especially for the elite corps.
Exactly, and to my knowledge, no woman has ever been able to finish the SEALs regimen.
Dude the seals regimen is tough. My closest friend is in the Navy doing his medical residency. He always has to be there for the navy seals bootcamp and training. He is constantly monitoring their vitals. The amount of hypothermia he sees, he said is borderline scary. He brings their body temperature back up and they go back. There always has to be an MD present whenever they are in training. He did say a woman did make it up to the second cut once.

[wylin]

HH, yah i have the joys of working for the police dept as a consultant!

Honestly most ppl male or female cant hit jack shit, i know my dad taught my how to shoot and its not exactly easy, especially when ur on the move and people are shooting at u im sure its alot harder man or woman u may or maynot have what it takes to kill another human being.

Friendly fire these days is #1 cause of death for american soldiers on the battleField amerricans shooting each other!

also if i was in a sling i'd pick whoever had a gun. really doesnt matter if their too weak to hit whose shooting at us i'd ask them give me the gun or lay down sum fire. male or female i personally rather count on my instincts in that type of situation. !

=P note me and my friend wanted to sign up for the marines after 9/11 last year and be front line. =X

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 4 2002, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 09:35 AM
But on the flip side, they should be subjected to the same boot camp and training regimen as the guys, especially for the elite corps.
Exactly, and to my knowledge, no woman has ever been able to finish the SEALs regimen.
There's a first time for everything.

Surely a lot of men don't finish it, too.
That type of training and the purpose of the that type of team is suited towards the male sex. I wouldn't discourage a woman from trying, but I'm not a big advocate of breaking down every last modern warfare barrier. Direct hand-to-hand combat will be in favor of the larger opponent unless the smaller is more skilled, has the killing streak, etc.

Like I heard a special unit guy say: if my enemy has a gun and I have a knife - I'm running away.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 05:44 PM
HH, yah i have the joys of working for the police dept as a consultant!

Honestly most ppl male or female cant hit jack shit, i know my dad taught my how to shoot and its not exactly easy, especially when ur on the move and people are shooting at u im sure its alot harder man or woman u may or maynot have what it takes to kill another human being.

Friendly fire these days is #1 cause of death for american soldiers on the battleField amerricans shooting each other!

also if i was in a sling i'd pick whoever had a gun. really doesnt matter if their too weak to hit whose shooting at us i'd ask them give me the gun or lay down sum fire. male or female i personally rather count on my instincts in that type of situation. !

=P note me and my friend wanted to sign up for the marines after 9/11 last year and be front line. =X
how can you be too weak to shoot a gun? all you gotta do is know how.

and why DIDN't you enlist? my boyfriend at the time was in the marines and got shipped off... he took off for several months.. to do his... driving big tank things thing...

[wylin]

its called making 50k year then and having to pay off college dept angel!

Oh and i realized dude those fantatics did have a point and that they did what they really believed in and payed w/ their lives.



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[deez nuts]

Ok fine, adding more fuel to the fire. Let's say a woman has the physical qualifications, what about the mental aspect? I mean someone dying next to you. Or watching some guy's body part get blown off. And trust me cutting up a guy and sewing him back up is not the prettiest of things. Let alone watching him bleed to to death, go into shock and die on the battlefield.

[wylin]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 4 2002, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by wylin@Sep 4 2002, 05:44 PM
HH, yah i have the joys of working for the police dept as a consultant!

Honestly most ppl male or female cant hit jack shit, i know my dad taught my how to shoot and its not exactly easy, especially when ur on the move and people are shooting at u im sure its alot harder man or woman u may or maynot have what it takes to kill another human being.

Friendly fire these days is #1 cause of death for american soldiers on the battleField amerricans shooting each other!

also if i was in a sling i'd pick whoever had a gun. really doesnt matter if their too weak to hit whose shooting at us i'd ask them give me the gun or lay down sum fire. male or female i personally rather count on my instincts in that type of situation. !

=P note me and my friend wanted to sign up for the marines after 9/11 last year and be front line. =X
how can you be too weak to shoot a gun? all you gotta do is know how.

and why DIDN't you enlist? my boyfriend at the time was in the marines and got shipped off... he took off for several months.. to do his... driving big tank things thing...
easy u have to kill sumone take them away from their family and the world, see them bleed to death, and first off aim and hit them its not exactly easy when ur being shot at and you yourself have NO EXTRA lives.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 05:51 PM
Ok fine, adding more fuel to the fire. Let's say a woman has the physical qualifications, what about the mental aspect? I mean someone dying next to you. Or watching some guy's body part get blown off. And trust me cutting up a guy and sewing him back up is not the prettiest of things. Let alone watching him bleed to to death, go into shock and die on the battlefield.
And men are so good at handling this?

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 4 2002, 09:49 AM
how can you be too weak to shoot a gun? all you gotta do is know how.

Anyone can fire a gun. Toddlers have done it. But firing a gun isn't the same as handling a weapon in preparation to kill. Of the more idiotic people I've run into, some have pulled it out as a drunken joke or the wetnoses that turn with their weapon instead of controlling the direction of their weapon.

Plenty of people can shoot. Few would be effective killers or be able to act under pressure. Sorry to sound so cold, but guns have one purpose and they aren't toys. Not to imply that angel thinks they are toys. Just explaining the difference.

God, I must look like a total nut in this thread.

[wylin]

nah i just worry bout ur husband if he ever mistreats u and the results...

[kimpossible]

well that was a lively discussion :o

[SunWuKong]

i think i have to agree with HH here. it's not really about raw physical power anymore. the physical qualifications of a soldier nowadays has more to do with how fit the person is, and how well he/she handles his/her body. i think the disparity between the number of female soldiers and the number of male soldiers come from the fact that society discourages women to be soldiers, so less women feel inclined to join the military.

[achtungbaby]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 4 2002, 09:42 AM
I concede to that 100%. No woman is going to match strength with a male toe-to-toe, pound for pound.
That's all I'm trying to say, and I apologize if I sound like a sexist pig in persisting with it. My sister (an vehement liberal) once challenged my out-of-shape cousin to a race. She was sick of hearing his simplistic neo-conservative rants in emails to all of us and he accepted, agreeing to fly into Chicago just to do it. She made such a big deal out of it, they upped the stakes and agreed the loser would have to put the bumper sticker of either Gore or Bush on their car. She even trained ahead to improve her mile time.

And she still lost miserably. They have it on videotape, I believe. She's the only Democat I know with George W. on her car. I told her afterward that there was nothing wrong with recognizing basic physical differences between men and women, they are what they are.

I just don't think we're at a place yet where sheer physicality means nothing in war or any other forms of combat.

[wylin]

until theres like mechanized power-armor or battle suits for infantry (not far fetched the army is experementing w/ a windows 2000/ NTFS based one for the soldier of 20yrs in the future) women won't be able to equal men physically in general.

[kimpossible]

Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 4 2002, 12:57 PM
I just don't think we're at a place yet where sheer physicality means nothing in war or any other forms of combat.
Agree w/most of what you said. Still kind of disagree with what I quoted. We might be caught on semantics. Combat versus soldier. If what you mean is strictly hand to hand combat, equal size gender against one another - guys wins - then yes, we are actually in agreement.

However, if you mean all out war and combat, I still disagree.

Firearms are at the least equalizers between unequal foes and damn near a guarantee of victory if one opponent has the skill to use it effectively and the ability to kill where opponent #2 doesn't.

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 4 2002, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 05:51 PM
Ok fine, adding more fuel to the fire. Let's say a woman has the physical qualifications, what about the mental aspect? I mean someone dying next to you. Or watching some guy's body part get blown off. And trust me cutting up a guy and sewing him back up is not the prettiest of things. Let alone watching him bleed to to death, go into shock and die on the battlefield.
And men are so good at handling this?
Not saying women can't handle it. Some of the best surgeons I know are women. But I know I probably can't handle it, and I deal with it on a regular basis but in a controlled environment. Put me on the battlefield and watch some guy get his head shot off, is a totally different experience, wouldn't you say?

I think the mental aspect weighs as much as the physical aspect. And well, women do tend to be more emotional - oy geez better put on the flame suit for this one.

Edit: and I'm not a sexist!



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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Sep 4 2002, 06:11 PM
Edit: and I'm not a sexist!
you sexist!!!

[angel nympho]

The way war seems to be lately... it's more about pushing buttons than pulling triggers. War is no longer fought quite so much on battlefields. I mean, if we broke out into a huge world war, I think it would be more like all the countries threatening the use of atomic warfare... and then one nation actually doing it... and having it go back and forth until finally we destroy all of mankind. *Sigh* I don't want to go to war!!!

[wylin]

No war still has to be faught on the ground Bosnia taught america that aerial strikes are not enuff. Planes and choppers cant occupy bases and towns nor can they clear out cities (unless u want us make transformable robots like macross that can do both). Only human beings rolling around on foot and in armor can occupy cities.

U cannot use weapons of mass destruction either because of the enviromental consquences and the political ones. Go play civilization II or III notice when u use nukes ur country gets boycotted and trade embargoes levied well after using nukes.

Want a push button way of killing ur enemies well too bad their isnt an easy one. unless america can come up w/ orbital weapons and space based bombers that launch non-nuclear pinpoint attacks (1 2000lb object = 1 hiroshima level hit if dropped from high orbit). Thus bringing war into space because obviously no country will bode well w/ ppl attacking from space.

[deez nuts]

Yes a nuclear winter would damper my upcoming snowboarding plans.

[wylin]

moded! =P

yah angel u just cant go nuke ppl its kinda um dangerous to us all and ur own country! =)

[amietron]

http://www.animelegacy.net/images/031402/review_shots/r/rahxephon/large/rah_03.jpg
women fighting in the military.
rahXephon.

-just saw that you mentioned snowboarding. OMG, it's SOOOOOOO fun.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by wylin@Sep 5 2002, 07:50 PM
moded! =P

yah angel u just cant go nuke ppl its kinda um dangerous to us all and ur own country! =)
i never said i was going to nuke people.

look at humanity these days. don't you think its a lot more likely for people to just start threatening atomic warfare than actually get down and dirty on battlefields?

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 5 2002, 08:00 PM
look at humanity these days. don't you think its a lot more likely for people to just start threatening atomic warfare than actually get down and dirty on battlefields?
actually that's been happening for a long time now. it's called the Cold War. :)

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 6 2002, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 5 2002, 08:00 PM
look at humanity these days. &nbsp;don't you think its a lot more likely for people to just start threatening atomic warfare than actually get down and dirty on battlefields?
actually that's been happening for a long time now. it's called the Cold War. :)
werd. this is how war is going to be fought... scary thought, huh?

[ren28]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 6 2002, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 5 2002, 08:00 PM
look at humanity these days. &nbsp;don't you think its a lot more likely for people to just start threatening atomic warfare than actually get down and dirty on battlefields?
actually that's been happening for a long time now. it's called the Cold War. :)
Err... I believe the Cold War has been over for a while.

With regards to women in the military, I think women should be allowed.

If faced with the choice, I'd go with a unit comprised of men. The (generally) stronger male could carry more equipment/ammo into battle. Let's say that a man can carry on average 5lbs more than a woman can. That could be five pounds of ammo or rations someone needs to stay alive. From a tactical standpoint, a unit of men could probably move faster than a unit of women with the same amount of equipment.

[odomo]

Women are not allowed to be in combat in the first place.