Six men found guilty in gang rape

[SunWuKong]

DERA GHAZI KHAN, Pakistan -- A judge sentenced six men to death by hanging Sunday for their roles in the gang rape of a woman whose brother was accused of having relations with a higher-caste woman, the prosecutor said.

A judge in an anti-terrorism court trial in Dera Ghazi Khan convicted four of the men of raping 30-year-old Mukhtaran Bibi, said prosecuting attorney Malik Ramzan Joya.

Two other men were convicted of abetting the rape. They were part of a 10-person tribal council that authorized the rape. The other eight members were acquitted.

more... (http://asia.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/08/31/pakistan.gang.rape/index.html)

[artsfartsyjanet]

Ah, the lawyer defending one of the clients accused of rape needs to learn that women (whether married or not) is raped if she does NOT consent to any sexual act. Goodness, just because two people are married doesn't mean one can coerce a spouse into having sex. This article is an outrage to women and to men. It is an outrage to women because the rape culture seen in this article by the M-clan is a blatant example of how it is acceptable to rape women and blame them for it. It's an outrage to men because an act of rape by a man or by a number of men makes them look bad. I don't find it justified for Bibi's rape for a "crime" her brother committed. That's just a slap in the face of humanity. :angry:



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[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by artsfartsyjanet@Sep 2 2002, 12:27 PM
I don't find it justified for Bibi's rape for a "crime" her brother committed. That's just a slap in the face of humanity. :angry:
but in the world of tribunal courts, i think they probably see things more in terms of family units instead of individuals.

[artsfartsyjanet]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 2 2002, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by artsfartsyjanet@Sep 2 2002, 12:27 PM
I don't find it justified for Bibi's rape for a "crime" her brother committed. That's just a slap in the face of humanity. :angry:
but in the world of tribunal courts, i think they probably see things more in terms of family units instead of individuals.
I don't doubt that since society tends to be more collectivistic. Nonetheless, I still don't agree with the justification.



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[angel nympho]

And this "crime" that her brother committed isn't something that should be punishable either!

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 2 2002, 08:41 PM
And this "crime" that her brother committed isn't something that should be punishable either!
well but that's a very western-thinking influenced way of looking at it. nonetheless, i am not sure the punishment is justified even in islamic law.

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 3 2002, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 2 2002, 08:41 PM
And this "crime" that her brother committed isn't something that should be punishable either!
well but that's a very western-thinking influenced way of looking at it. nonetheless, i am not sure the punishment is justified even in islamic law.
Regardless or not if it is justified in Islamic law... what's the point of punishing somebody for being involved in any way with somebody just because they're in a different social class? Isn't it an injustice to believe that just because somebody is born into a wealthier family, their life is worth more? Western-influenced thought or not, I think that's a crime against humanity in its own way.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 2 2002, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 3 2002, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 2 2002, 08:41 PM
And this "crime" that her brother committed isn't something that should be punishable either!
well but that's a very western-thinking influenced way of looking at it. nonetheless, i am not sure the punishment is justified even in islamic law.
Regardless or not if it is justified in Islamic law... what's the point of punishing somebody for being involved in any way with somebody just because they're in a different social class? Isn't it an injustice to believe that just because somebody is born into a wealthier family, their life is worth more? Western-influenced thought or not, I think that's a crime against humanity in its own way.
i guess this is really a debate about whether or not caste systems should be eliminated right? :) i mean every society has its own structure. you can't judge it based on another society's standards. and if you think about it, capitalistic societies completely but subtly supports that a life is worth more if the person is wealthy.

[angel nympho]

^-- That may be so, but at least it's not punishable by law for somebody from a wealthier family to be involved with somebody who may not be as well off.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 2 2002, 10:23 PM
^-- That may be so, but at least it's not punishable by law for somebody from a wealthier family to be involved with somebody who may not be as well off.
this, in my opinion, falls under cultural differences.
be very glad that you live in the United States. :)

[artsfartsyjanet]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 2 2002, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by angel nympho@Sep 2 2002, 10:23 PM
^-- That may be so, but at least it's not punishable by law for somebody from a wealthier family to be involved with somebody who may not be as well off.
this, in my opinion, falls under cultural differences.
be very glad that you live in the United States. :)
The hell I AM. =)