View Full Version : What the Fuck Do You Know About Being Asian?
achtungbaby
09-01-2002, 12:53 PM
Controversial Philadelphia-based spoken word duo Black Hair, Brown Eyes, Yellow Rage sounds off about racism, sexual stereotypes, and the need for a Pan-Asian activist movement.
By Carmen Van Kerckhove
EurasianNation
So what you tried Dim Sum and den some on the menu
So what you a fan of Lucy Liu
So what you read The Joy Luck Club too
that makes you an expert on how I should look?—f**k you
What the f**k do you know about being Asian?—Excerpt from "Listen Asshole"
Korean-Caucasian Michelle Myers and Laotian Catzie Vilayphonh stole the show in December 2001 with a blistering performance on HBO's Def Poetry Jam, a weekly spoken word television program created by legendary hip hop producer Russell Simmons. EurasianNation sat down with them to understand the pain behind the rage.
full story (http://yellowworld.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=123&mode=nocomments&order=1&thold=-1)
kasia
09-01-2002, 01:19 PM
some of that stuff can be so powerful. the exerpt--exactly how i feel sometimes.
i would like to attend a spoken word performance one day. some are held here in l.a. would anyone like to join? AB, Arex?
thaite
09-01-2002, 01:21 PM
I got their CD. Tomorrow, I'll post a couple tracks in .mp3 for ya.
kasia
09-01-2002, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by buoywonder@Sep 1 2002, 09:21 PM
I got their CD. Tomorrow, I'll post a couple tracks in .mp3 for ya.
yay. thanks. :)
SunWuKong
09-01-2002, 02:28 PM
Then there's the sexual stuff. It seems like when I go out with a guy, the first thing he wants to know is if I can give him a massage. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? They tend to think you'll be real submissive, and that you'll do anything sexually.
woh, has that been anybody's experience?
tapestrybabe
09-01-2002, 04:24 PM
Damn, that was a good read. And yeah, this is how i feel sometimes... like other ppl are more asian than me. But in reality.. thats not true... As a Korean adoptee growing up in a white family... I'm just as equally as Asian as all the other Asian Americans who have grown up in an asian family...
achtungbaby
09-01-2002, 07:59 PM
I just love that excerpt :D
artsfartsyjanet
09-02-2002, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 1 2002, 05:28 PM
Then there's the sexual stuff. It seems like when I go out with a guy, the first thing he wants to know is if I can give him a massage. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? They tend to think you'll be real submissive, and that you'll do anything sexually.
woh, has that been anybody's experience?
Hell yes. When I was 17, I dated a jerk who first wanted to know what color my underwear was and how I give massages. IRK.
Michelle: I don't know. When people first see me they think of me as being mixed. But after they talk to me they think of me more as Asian-American, because I'm "conscious" and have these political convictions that don't jive with those that white people align themselves with. It's like I become more Asian, the more I talk about certain issues.
Because I'm half Caucasian, I feel like I've had an insider's view of how white people talk amongst themselves. Within the context of knowing I'm biracial and accepting my white side, white people freely talk in front of me about chinks and spicks and niggers. My own white family is very racist, and they discriminated a lot against my mom, my brother and myself.
I find it increasingly difficult to trust white people as I get older. I can honestly say that I can't identify one white person that I can call a friend. I feel like they're smiling in my face and going home and saying these other things. I have never met a white person who didn't reveal that they were racist at some point.
Damn I totally love this woman!
I can soo fully relate to everything she is saying.
Especially about being mixed and being confused when she was young.
AND what it was like to be around people who felt comfortable talking about other ethnicities because they couldn’t tell I was black and because of that I really feel her about what she says about not trusting white people too.
She embodies the mindset i am all about which is that all of us so-called minority groups find the linkages between our experiences here in Amerikkka instead of allowing the euroPeon to divide us and set us against one another.
So it's like i may not know what it is like to be Asian in amerikkka or latino in amerikkka but i know what it is like to be black in amerikkka so at least i can empathise.
I love this quote...
I'm "conscious" and have these political convictions that don't jive with those that white people align themselves with.
thaite
09-02-2002, 01:02 PM
Okay, here ya go.
Listen Asshole (http://idisk.mac.com/dbaser/Public/listen_asshole.mp3)
I'm A Woman Not A Flava (http://idisk.mac.com/dbaser/Public/not_a_flava.mp3)
Gotta love these chicas. B)
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edit* Just gotta say that I posted these without permission. So if Michelle and Catzie have objection, say so and I'll take 'em down.
As for the rest of you, go and buy their CD.
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tapestrybabe
09-02-2002, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by buoywonder@Sep 2 2002, 05:02 PM
Okay, here ya go.
Listen Asshole (http://idisk.mac.com/dbaser/Public/listen_asshole.mp3)
I'm A Woman Not A Flava (http://idisk.mac.com/dbaser/Public/not_a_flava.mp3)
Gotta love these chicas. B)
DANG-- that was goood....
Yeah, they sure got ATTITUDE!!!
SunWuKong
09-02-2002, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by buoywonder@Sep 2 2002, 04:02 PM
Okay, here ya go.
Listen Asshole (http://idisk.mac.com/dbaser/Public/listen_asshole.mp3)
I'm A Woman Not A Flava (http://idisk.mac.com/dbaser/Public/not_a_flava.mp3)
Gotta love these chicas. B)
oh man that's so good it made me want to cry and sent shivers down my spine.
i do have one criticism of "Listen Asshole" though. i think their whole pan-asian ideal is kind of naive. maybe they have actually travelled extensively on the asian continent, i don't know. but even so, what do they know about all those things that they seem to want to lay a claim to? unless they have travelled extensively in asia, what do a couple of american raised asians, a laotian and a mixed korean, know about ghandi, mao, etc, that a white person couldn't similarly know through academic means?
but nonetheless, they deserve our support. buy a copy of their CD. http://www.yellowrage.com/
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SunWuKong
09-02-2002, 02:02 PM
hahhah this is hilarious... an excerpt from catzie's little auto-bio on the website...
She [Catzie] would also like you to know that she is Laotian, one of the lesser known Asian ethnicities in the world. So please take this rare opportunity to remember it when you tell your friends: "I saw a Laotian today."
deez nuts
09-02-2002, 02:17 PM
Yeah they were part of the "Asian Misbehavin" tour part of the yearly New York International Fringe Festival that goes on for a couple of weeks(features up and coming stage actors, shows etc etc in an effort to achieve Broadway recognition) both last year and this year. I was gonna to go to one, but was busy at work. It's a really cool festival overall.
Some friends really liked them, others feel they were kinda raw to get their message across. Nonetheless, they all feel the message was conveyed.
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tapestrybabe
09-02-2002, 07:14 PM
yeah, i just purchased their CD.. i'm looking forward to being able to listen to the whole thing.... yeah, be greatful for mp3's.. cuz i wouldve never been inclined to buy their cd in the first place... and i admit.. its the fact they are Female, Asian... and its their ATTITUDE-- rage, rawness.... is what i like about them so much... i dont think i've heard anything quite like this before.. not from Asian females that is...
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Chris
09-02-2002, 08:32 PM
damn they are good!!! so raw but so well done!! I am going to get the cd :)
thaite
09-02-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Sep 2 2002, 08:14 PM
... i dont think i've heard anything quite like this before.. not from Asian females that is...
Hah! You know what's funny? I tried to play this for my brother and he got halfway through the first track (which is Listen, Asshole) and he couldn't take it anymore. He was all, "If I wanted to hear some Asian lady screamin' and yellin' I'd just go listen to Mom!"
:lol:
kasia
09-02-2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by buoywonder@Sep 3 2002, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Sep 2 2002, 08:14 PM
... i dont think i've heard anything quite like this before.. not from Asian females that is...
Hah! You know what's funny? I tried to play this for my brother and he got halfway through the first track (which is Listen, Asshole) and he couldn't take it anymore. He was all, "If I wanted to hear some Asian lady screamin' and yellin' I'd just go listen to Mom!"
:lol:
i kinda agree with your brother. thanks for putting up the songs, bw. after listening to them rant, though, i think i would prefer reading their songs than listening to them perform them. for one thing, they don't sound 'asian'.
I thought they sounded like angry black women :)
I love it tho.
This is real passion.
You can feel when they speak.
Like D Knowledge or KRS1
achtungbaby
09-06-2002, 09:11 AM
I sent an email about yellowworld.org to Michelle Myers and she was nice enough to respond with a thoughtful reply. Here's an excerpt:
...I do want to say that I think it's pretty funny that some people would say we're too "raw"--that reminds me of these old white ladies in Colorado who said we "cursed too much." I also think the person who said we were "naive" didn't really understand the point of "Listen Asshole". My part of "LA" is responding to non-Asians and Asians alike who judge me and b/c of my physical ambiguity tell me that I'm not "Asian"--no one has a right to tell me how to identify myself. So my point is "What the fuck do you know about being Asian?" The answer is usually almost nothing--even Asians/Asian Americans know little or have thought little about what it means to be "Asian American". I was also wondering if the person who said we didn't sound "Asian" was expecting us to be talking in broken English or something. I think all of our pieces are very Asian--presented from an Asian American perspective. I also think it's unfair that people would be judging us solely on these two pieces that were put up on the site. Catzie and I have a large body of work--20 tracks being on our CD and more that we only perform live--and we address a wide range of topics as well as command a variety of styles. Not all of our pieces are angry--but we have every right to be angry if that's the way we feel, and we don't have to be apologetic about it either.
I'm glad that our pieces generated discussion--ultimately that's all we can ask for. I would say, though, that you really haven't experienced our spoken word poetry until you've seen us live.
Keep up the struggle.
Many blessings,
Michelle
PS--One more thing: Catzie and I receive enough hate mail from white folks who call us racists without having to be defensive with our own people and with other people of color. Please know that what we say and do we do b/c we feel there is a need to speak up about certain issues. We hope that by us speaking up, you all will speak up, even if it is to disagree with us.
Thank you to all the people who showed us love on the message board!!!
SunWuKong
09-06-2002, 09:26 AM
ah... i think i have a better understanding of what she means by "what do you know about being Asian?"
deez nuts
09-06-2002, 09:51 AM
Sometimes, you need to be raw and blunt to get shit across and make people listen.
tapestrybabe
09-06-2002, 02:04 PM
Hey, thats just so way cool that Michelle replied to you!!
That makes me like these artists even more.. i feel that shows they have a real interest in their audience and what we have to say...
Anyways, not only am i eagerly still waiting for their cd to arrive in my mailbox.. but i hope one day they come on over and perform on the east coast... i wouldnt mind seeing them live.
SunWuKong
09-11-2002, 11:55 AM
ok i got the CD. it's really good. some of the pieces are very moving.
tapestrybabe
09-11-2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 11 2002, 03:55 PM
ok i got the CD. it's really good. some of the pieces are very moving.
Yeah, i got the CD just the other day too. And hey, did Michelle also send you a personal Thank You card with it?? I got one... and it was even handwritten by her and all... I thought that was way cool B)
SunWuKong
09-11-2002, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Sep 11 2002, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 11 2002, 03:55 PM
ok i got the CD. it's really good. some of the pieces are very moving.
Yeah, i got the CD just the other day too. And hey, did Michelle also send you a personal Thank You card with it?? I got one... and it was even handwritten by her and all... I thought that was way cool B)
yeah i got a card just like that. :)
kasia
09-15-2002, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by achtungbaby@Sep 6 2002, 05:11 PM
So my point is "What the fuck do you know about being Asian?" The answer is usually almost nothing--even Asians/Asian Americans know little or have thought little about what it means to be "Asian American".
I was also wondering if the person who said we didn't sound "Asian" was expecting us to be talking in broken English or something. I think all of our pieces are very Asian--presented from an Asian American perspective.
re: the michelle myer's statement (which i bolded):
it is precisely this attitude held by many asian spoken word performers that makes me want to turn the question around and ask *them*, "what do *you* know about being asian american?" how hypocritical it is for them to come up with a song with that title yet criticize other asians for not being "as aware" or not having the same perspectives that they do and therefore not knowing what it means to be an "asian-american". who gave them the authority to define *our* identity?
i said that they didn't sound "asian", but certainly not because i was expecting broken English. what a typical response by a spoken word performer. it's like this--if will smith one day decides to rant about racism and asserts that blacks who aren't angry or who aren't aware are not truly black--the black community will respond with, "and just how much of a brother are you?" and myers is right, the black community wouldn't have the right to tell will smith whether he is black or not. but will smith sure as hell wouldn't have a right to tell them OR to speak on their behalf either.
i minored in asian american studies (we didn't have the major) and i have gotten to know some spoken word artists, activists, etc. through the program. great people to have discussions with, but most had the 3rd generation syndrome; they did not fit in with most asians, never showed up at asian parties, were too good for asian fraternities and sororities, etc. these were primarily asians were only beginning to discover their roots, many of them liberals looking for a cause. it's not a bad thing, of course; they have great intentions, but while they expect others to accept them as asian-americans, they shouldn't be judging other asians by the level of awareness that those asians might have.
maybe someone who understands where i'm coming from can articulate this better than i.
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kasia
09-15-2002, 11:39 AM
i take it back. i guess only spoken word performers are asian-american per the test on kristine sa's webpage.
Asian-American
- You claim yourself as Asian, but real Asians think you're whitewashed and non-Asians see you as a foreigner. You fit in nowhere
- You have heard of Bubble Tea but have never actually had any
- You are confused about your cultural identity and express this frustration through spoken word performances at your college
- You read A. magazine and think it's great
- You do not know who Leon, Aaron, Sammi, Hikki, or Kangta are
- You are only vaguely aware of the other Asians below
kimpossible
09-15-2002, 09:01 PM
kasia> but don't you think that the 'edginess' is used as part of their act? I'm not defending or endorsing, I just like where your line of questioning is going.
kasia
09-16-2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Sep 16 2002, 05:01 AM
kasia> but don't you think that the 'edginess' is used as part of their act? I'm not defending or endorsing, I just like where your line of questioning is going.
i don't mind edginess at all. i just get defensive when people start trying to define what 'asian-american' is. i feel like i've been pretty fobby my entire life, and so i get rather annoyed when someone who is only beginning to discover their roots starts telling me how ignorant i really am because i am not seeing the racism or am not as involved--and therefore not as asian.
raacluse
09-23-2002, 12:34 PM
I'm not into ranting as much as some folks.
My worry is that people, in general, are too guilty of being couch potatoes... wanting to be entertained by whatever is outrageous and titillating.
That said, I can understand the need to vent once in a while.
As for the term "Asian-American"... in the past it was politically incorrect to put a hyphen between the 2 words.
I wonder what the guy who came up with the term, Yuji Ichioka, would say about that.
We'll never know, since he just died. ;)
SunWuKong
09-23-2002, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by KuroBishounen@Sep 24 2002, 12:38 AM
Er, where would/could one find this CD? :huh:
it's a secret that's only privy to asians. if we told you we'd have to kill you.
:D
no just kidding, go to http://www.yellowrage.com and click on "store".
Miss Trust
10-14-2002, 03:16 AM
:o *picks jaw up off the floor*
thats the first time i've ever heard Yellow Rage.
i am in complete awe. totally buying the CD!
DaBestSpooner
11-04-2002, 01:08 PM
I caught their thing on HBO last nite, and I noticed nobody cheered unless they ended a sentence with "muthafucka." I guess everyone borrows a bit from eddie murphy.
BeTheReds
11-05-2002, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Sep 1 2002, 11:24 PM
Damn, that was a good read. And yeah, this is how i feel sometimes... like other ppl are more asian than me. But in reality.. thats not true... As a Korean adoptee growing up in a white family... I'm just as equally as Asian as all the other Asian Americans who have grown up in an asian family...
by your blood and how the white majority percieves you... yes.
Otherwise no.
seryb
11-05-2002, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 2 2002, 01:02 PM
hahhah this is hilarious... an excerpt from catzie's little auto-bio on the website...
She [Catzie] would also like you to know that she is Laotian, one of the lesser known Asian ethnicities in the world. So please take this rare opportunity to remember it when you tell your friends: "I saw a Laotian today."
I'm Lao, too! Say hi to me and you can say you've talked to a Laotian person today. :D
seryb
11-05-2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 5 2002, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Sep 1 2002, 11:24 PM
Damn, that was a good read. And yeah, this is how i feel sometimes... like other ppl are more asian than me. But in reality.. thats not true... As a Korean adoptee growing up in a white family... I'm just as equally as Asian as all the other Asian Americans who have grown up in an asian family...
by your blood and how the white majority percieves you... yes.
Otherwise no.
That's cold, man. She didn't choose to be adopted by a white family, and she didn't choose to have not been put in an environment conducive to reaching the elitist, ahem (presumptuous) enlightened state you find yourself in. Where do you get off copping an attitude like that? Play nice.
tapestrybabe
11-05-2002, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 6 2002, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Sep 1 2002, 11:24 PM
Damn, that was a good read. And yeah, this is how i feel sometimes... like other ppl are more asian than me. But in reality.. thats not true... As a Korean adoptee growing up in a white family... I'm just as equally as Asian as all the other Asian Americans who have grown up in an asian family...
by your blood and how the white majority percieves you... yes.
Otherwise no.
me,
i'm just as korean as all the rest of the korean americans in the united states... being raised by a white family doesnt make me less asian... I CHOOSE how to identify myself... and i say, fuck it when it comes to the more Asian than thou attitude... i really despise that way of thinking....
MellowDrama
11-06-2002, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 5 2002, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Sep 1 2002, 11:24 PM
Damn, that was a good read. And yeah, this is how i feel sometimes... like other ppl are more asian than me. But in reality.. thats not true... As a Korean adoptee growing up in a white family... I'm just as equally as Asian as all the other Asian Americans who have grown up in an asian family...
by your blood and how the white majority percieves you... yes.
Otherwise no.
I choose to disagree. One of the most active and socially aware Asian American guys I know is a Vietnamese guy adopted by White Mormons and raised in Utah! :confused: I feel he understands the roles Asian-Americans play in the American social dynamic better than I do. In fact, he's schooled me on this topic a couple of times. I know his type is probably the exception rather than the rule, but I think it's ignorant to play the "more Asian than thou" attitude. And in fact, how one is perceived as "the other" by the majority is a part of the Asian-American identity itself.
BeTheReds
11-06-2002, 01:45 AM
Well I'm not saying that I am more Asian than thou. I am sorry if I offended you.
And well yes, you are just as Asian-American as any other Asian-American by the definition sense of the word... You are an American citizen with Asian blood.
I am sorry, I don't know what got into me. Please forgive me.
SunWuKong
11-06-2002, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by seryb@Nov 6 2002, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 2 2002, 01:02 PM
hahhah this is hilarious... an excerpt from catzie's little auto-bio on the website...
She [Catzie] would also like you to know that she is Laotian, one of the lesser known Asian ethnicities in the world. So please take this rare opportunity to remember it when you tell your friends: "I saw a Laotian today."
I'm Lao, too! Say hi to me and you can say you've talked to a Laotian person today. :D
hey she did a piece on their CD about being Laotian.
SunWuKong
11-06-2002, 09:34 AM
i have to say that i agree with BeTheReds. and TB this isn't to offend you or anything. i think you're just as Asian American as an Asian American that was raised in an Asian household. but as far as how "Asian" one can be in this country, i usually gauge that by how fobby the person is.
seryb
11-06-2002, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 6 2002, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by seryb@Nov 6 2002, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Sep 2 2002, 01:02 PM
hahhah this is hilarious... an excerpt from catzie's little auto-bio on the website...
She [Catzie] would also like you to know that she is Laotian, one of the lesser known Asian ethnicities in the world. So please take this rare opportunity to remember it when you tell your friends: "I saw a Laotian today."
I'm Lao, too! Say hi to me and you can say you've talked to a Laotian person today. :D
hey she did a piece on their CD about being Laotian.
I'm gonna order their CD when I get my check this week. :)
BeTheReds
11-06-2002, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by MellowDrama@Nov 6 2002, 09:28 AM
And in fact, how one is perceived as "the other" by the majority is a part of the Asian-American identity itself.
Well fine then. If looking Asian is all there is to being Asian, then she's Asian and I am not. I'm pecieved as white at first glance so that makes me white, right?
Nevermind that I have an asian name and a fobby asian parent who instilled in me a few of the ideas that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
I never intended to say I was more asian than thou.
But saying "I am just as asian as anyone else" I did'nt take it to mean genetically. I meant the cultural upbringing one gets from having fobby parents or being fobs themselves.
Anyway I don't mean malice to anyone.
MellowDrama
11-06-2002, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 6 2002, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by MellowDrama@Nov 6 2002, 09:28 AM
And in fact, how one is perceived as "the other" by the majority is a part of the Asian-American identity itself.
Well fine then. If looking Asian is all there is to being Asian, then she's Asian and I am not. I'm pecieved as white at first glance so that makes me white, right?
Nevermind that I have an asian name and a fobby asian parent who instilled in me a few of the ideas that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
I never intended to say I was more asian than thou.
But saying "I am just as asian as anyone else" I did'nt take it to mean genetically. I meant the cultural upbringing one gets from having fobby parents or being fobs themselves.
Anyway I don't mean malice to anyone.
Well, the perception is merely a PART of the identity, not the entirety identity in itself. Same goes for upbringing and who you identify as your community. They are all parts of the whole that makes up one's self identity.
tapestrybabe
11-06-2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 6 2002, 12:34 PM
i have to say that i agree with BeTheReds. and TB this isn't to offend you or anything. i think you're just as Asian American as an Asian American that was raised in an Asian household. but as far as how "Asian" one can be in this country, i usually gauge that by how fobby the person is.
ok, the way your saying 'Asian' in your context.. your talking about its culture... race isnt the issue here... cuz than you can say that a white person raised up in an Asian family and who was kinda fobby... like i wouldnt be equally as Asian to them...
And maybe its not a matter of being more or less Asian.. but more, what type of Asian are you...
BeTheReds
11-06-2002, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Nov 7 2002, 06:12 AM
ok, the way your saying 'Asian' in your context.. your talking about its culture... race isnt the issue here... cuz than you can say that a white person raised up in an Asian family and who was kinda fobby... like i wouldnt be equally as Asian to them...
And maybe its not a matter of being more or less Asian.. but more, what type of Asian are you...
Whatever, either way both you and I will be descriminated against by both whites and by "Real" Asians so while we are not in the same boat, we might be able to relate a bit.
SunWuKong
11-07-2002, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by tapestrybabe@Nov 7 2002, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 6 2002, 12:34 PM
i have to say that i agree with BeTheReds. and TB this isn't to offend you or anything. i think you're just as Asian American as an Asian American that was raised in an Asian household. but as far as how "Asian" one can be in this country, i usually gauge that by how fobby the person is.
ok, the way your saying 'Asian' in your context.. your talking about its culture... race isnt the issue here... cuz than you can say that a white person raised up in an Asian family and who was kinda fobby... like i wouldnt be equally as Asian to them...
And maybe its not a matter of being more or less Asian.. but more, what type of Asian are you...
yeah personally i look more to culture. and i think most american raised asians are only "asian" in terms of belonging to a type of minority in this country. if you ever try living in asia, you'll notice (just as BeTheReds has) just how different asians in asia are compared to asian americans. it just seems far fetched to me sometimes that some asian americans want to related to the identity of "asian" so much, but they really belong to an "asian american" identity which is very different than "asian". and there really isn't even an "asian" identity in asia! people are just chinese, japanese, korean, etc etc.
BeTheReds
11-07-2002, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by SunWuKung@Nov 7 2002, 07:37 PM
and there really isn't even an "asian" identity in asia! people are just chinese, japanese, korean, etc etc.
How true how true.
Well when you have people who live in homogenious soceties who speak different languages and historically have clashed with each other over and over again, it causes them to focus on their differences, and seriously affects their ways of thinking.
Race questionares here in Japan are nonexistant.
Please check one.
A Japanese
B Not
kimpossible
11-07-2002, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by BeTheReds@Nov 7 2002, 04:04 PM
Race questionares here in Japan are nonexistant.
Please check one.
A Japanese
B Not
hahaha... reminds me of the 'missing parent' syndrome in the Japanese census.
LA superzero1
11-07-2002, 04:59 PM
wow... this is like ethnic studies classes here...
but i dunno if this helps, but it seems to me that your race is always socially constructed in that you are what other people perceive you to be. But that shouldn't stop you from identifying yourself with/think of yourself, as what you want to/or were raised as. Kinda contradictory. I dunno if this helps at all. :blush:
Chinkaholic
01-20-2003, 11:51 AM
Is it only sold online? Or can you get them at places like Wherehouse or Sam Goody? I am dying to buy it!!!!!
SunWuKong
01-20-2003, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Chinkaholic@Jan 20 2003, 02:51 PM
Is it only sold online? Or can you get them at places like Wherehouse or Sam Goody? I am dying to buy it!!!!!
to the best of my knowledge, only online. but you can shoot an email off to michelle (michelle@yellowrage.com) and ask.
Rogmok
01-24-2003, 11:12 AM
let me know if you find out whether they sell them in stores.. i'm interested in buying a copy too:)
princess
01-24-2003, 11:14 AM
im pretty sure they only sell online. its not that hard to get a copy -- juss click on their site. :)
blue hoodie
01-24-2003, 11:52 AM
very good read.Thanks for posting it up! question tho...how do you think we should unify as a whole Asian community when we have all these barriers agains't us from doing so?
enygma
01-24-2003, 12:07 PM
When I was growing up, my mother had to depend on me, even at the young age of five. Can you imagine what kind of communications skills I had when I was five? Can you imagine being a grown person having to depend on such a young person because it seems they know more
the you do? Anywhere she had to speak or listen to English, I went.
yep, i know how that feels.
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