Out-Asianing among hapas...

[SunWuKong]

do some hapas try to "out-Asian" other hapas?
if they do - considering the fact that many hapas are looked down upon by "full-blooded" Asians that think hapas aren't really Asian or not Asian enough, if this behaviour is exhibited by hapas, is it a sort of internalisation?

[SynRG]

By internalization do you mean hapas are internalizing the belief that they are in fact "not Asian enough" and thus there is the need to go out of their way to "out Asian" other hapas or "proove" their Asianness to full-blooded Asians?

[BeTheReds]

Yes, some do, and most that do usually they do it in front of full blooded Asians if they are gonna do it. And usually if they see a hapa accepted amongst Asians, and they want their way in, they will try to out Asian that hapa. Sometimes they will try to out Asian full blooded Asians.

I used to do this myself, but it wasn't until someone else did it that I realized how stupid it really is.

Wrote an article that skimmed on this very subject even...

:)

By internalization do you mean hapas are internalizing the belief that they are in fact "not Asian enough" and thus there is the need to go out of their way to "out Asian" other hapas or "proove" their Asianness to full-blooded Asians?


Yea, I'm not sure what internalization is in this case myself, but in any effect, it really does depend on each individual. Those hapas who have a complex about not feeling Asian enough, but want to probably would be the most likely to play the "I'm more Asian than you are!" game.

[SunWuKong]

By internalization do you mean hapas are internalizing the belief that they are in fact "not Asian enough" and thus there is the need to go out of their way to "out Asian" other hapas or "proove" their Asianness to full-blooded Asians?

yeah that's it. but not just "proving" their Asianness to full-blooded Asians. i was also wondering if some hapas look down on other hapas like some full-blooded Asians do, and not necessarily because they want to "prove" themselves, but that they've simply adopted the same attitude that some full-blooded Asians have shown them.

[rice cracker]

I don't know. When I was living in an area full of hapas, it was in Asia, and I was much younger. There wasn't any shame in not speaking your mother's language (and yes, even though some hapa father's are the Asian parent, this is almost never true in the military), and if you did, cool, more power to ya.

Nowadays, my best friend is a hapa, and no offense, but I think he might be a little born again Asian. I, however, don't care if people out-Asian me, as long as they're not trying to make me look like some white wannabe doing so.

[Bhodi_Li]

How does one Out-Asian another?

[rice cracker]

How does one Out-Asian another?

I think it's like, arrogance about being able to speak the language, know the culture, how many visits to Asia one has had, basically how culturally Asian you are as a method of proving superiority?

[deez nuts]

haven't you noticed that some try to out-asian other asians, not just hapas

[rice cracker]

^ Yeah.

[deez nuts]

i never understood this whole "i'm more asian than you" concept. it's stupid.

is it a form of trying to gain acceptance or trying to one up each other?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

When I was younger, I tried to outwhite my white friends. Unconsciously.

[>:^|]

Asians try to out-Asian each other too. :eek:

[thaite]

Yeah, it happens and it's really annoying.

[Bhodi_Li]

I used to try to out Red the rednecks of my hometown, but could only do it when I was drinking.

[rice cracker]

I used to try to out Red the rednecks of my hometown, but could only do it when I was drinking.

Red + yellow = orange neck!

[Emperor_Mike]

Not really. Well, not in my corner of the world anyway. Why there's a need to do so I cannot fathom. Meh. People need hobbies.

[coagulated fat]

I never had a need to do it and was always very self-deprecating about how little asian culture I actually know or participate in. I have only really met one or two hapas who could possibly be considered to have tried "outasianing" me, but I'm not even sure about them. It's probably less noticeable to me since I don't feel well equipped to play that game, so I admit defeat right off.

[BeTheReds]

I never had a need to do it and was always very self-deprecating about how little asian culture I actually know or participate in. I have only really met one or two hapas who could possibly be considered to have tried "outasianing" me, but I'm not even sure about them. It's probably less noticeable to me since I don't feel well equipped to play that game, so I admit defeat right off.


Sellout!

LOL J/K

yeah that's it. but not just "proving" their Asianness to full-blooded Asians. i was also wondering if some hapas look down on other hapas like some full-blooded Asians do, and not necessarily because they want to "prove" themselves, but that they've simply adopted the same attitude that some full-blooded Asians have shown them.


Oh damn... I do that now...

But I don't see how that is "out-asianing" someone. I might feel a little proud thinking that I'm more close to my Asian roots than some other hapas or other American born Asians, but I don't go out of my way to show it really.

Out Asianing someone, as I thought, was like... doing stupid shit, like talking in Korean when no one understands it but yourself, or, singing arirang for no reason, or eating spaghetti with chopsticks when there are plenty of forks around, or... basically doing anything that you don't normally do to show off to someone how Asian you are. And I don't think I do that...

[AngryABCGirl]

Many Hapas I knew were already quite Asian, some of them probably could "out-Asian" me. Some others I've noticed, go out of their way to avoid Asians.

[coagulated fat]

I might feel a little proud thinking that I'm more Asian than some other hapas or other American born Asians
Why? What makes "authentic" asian culture so much better than anyone else's history of their experiences with asianness - as an aa or as a hapa, or a white person's culture? Though these cultural experiences are for sure less glamorized, exoticized, and harder to categorize (i swear i didn't mean that to rhyme), are they not just as valuable and worthy of pride?

[SynRG]

yeah that's it. but not just "proving" their Asianness to full-blooded Asians. i was also wondering if some hapas look down on other hapas like some full-blooded Asians do, and not necessarily because they want to "prove" themselves, but that they've simply adopted the same attitude that some full-blooded Asians have shown them.

I think this definitely happens.. as other members have stated, even full-blooded Asians try to "out-Asian" each other and look down on other Asians for not being "Asian" enough. You might even go as far as to say it's an "Asian" thing (someone joked about it, but I don't think i've ever seen an Asian or a Eurasian try to "out-white" someone).

As far as the "looking down" on other hapas or "white-washed" Asians... I think it's a matter of attitude. I won't lie, there have definitely been times I've been around hapas or AA's broadcasting to the world how "Asian" they are and I've had the thought in my head "whatever I'm more Asian than you are...", but that's almost always as far as it goes. IMO I don't really have the clout or right really to be telling anyone how Asian or not Asian they are... but I do know how I feel, and I do know how I grew up.

So does that mean I'm internalizing?

[BeTheReds]

Why? What makes "authentic" asian culture so much better than anyone else's history of their experiences with asianness - as an aa or as a hapa, or a white person's culture? Though these cultural experiences are for sure less glamorized, exoticized, and harder to categorize (i swear i didn't mean that to rhyme), are they not just as valuable and worthy of pride?


Feeling an affinity to Korea is something I am proud of.

Other people can feel prideful about whatever they want to, I won't stop them.

[SunWuKong]

So does that mean I'm internalizing?

i don't know. actually i'm not even that sure what "internalisation" means. to the best of my knowledge it's a sort of self-hate. you are racist against your own race, or sexist against your own gender, etc etc.

[BeTheReds]

i don't know. actually i'm not even that sure what "internalisation" means. to the best of my knowledge it's a sort of self-hate. you are racist against your own race, or sexist against your own gender, etc etc.


I thought that was called being uncle tom.

[SynRG]

i don't know. actually i'm not even that sure what "internalisation" means. to the best of my knowledge it's a sort of self-hate. you are racist against your own race, or sexist against your own gender, etc etc.

Then it gets more complicated.. because what is our race? Is it Asian? Is it white? Is in Eurasian/Blasian/Latinasian? etc. Many hapas have very many different answers to that question... and it all depends on where they grew up, how they were percieved/treated, etc.

But I think I see what you mean.. i've met Eurasians for instance that hate themselves for being Eurasian... and wish they were monoracial, thus totally leaning on one side and trying extra hard to blend into that group, which may include hating the other group... when really inside it might just be that they are pissed for coming out mixed or looking the opposite of how they identify and getting lots of shit for it. There are even Eurasians that hate on interracial dating because they feel they got the shit end of the stick. A good example would be an Asian-looking EA growing up in the south and identifying as white, but getting treated like he was Asian and thus becoming racist against Asian people. Another example would be a HK EA who has grown up very "local" but looks very white, and starts hating expats because he/she always gets labelled as a "foreigner" even tho he/she has grown up Cantonese.

Alot of these problems are psychological though and while the mixed-race thing has alot to do with it... so does the environment they grew up in as well as their family... which are all completely different accross the board for Hapas who in and of themselves are a much more diverse group than Asians.

At the end of the day, it all depends on your situation. There are many Eurasians that are perfectly happy identifying the way they do, and have no problems fitting into the community that they want to fit in.

Note: I'm only talking about Eurasians 'cuz I don't personally know too many non-EA hapas.

[Bhodi_Li]

i've met Eurasians for instance that hate themselves for being Eurasian... and wish they were monoracial,
It's scary because this is one of the point White Nationalists use to defend the existence of a white nation.

[SynRG]

I thought that was called being uncle tom.

Here's an interesting question- can a hapa really "sell-out?"

[BeTheReds]

Here's an interesting question- can a hapa really "sell-out?"


Ask Dr. Faust

[SynRG]

Ask Dr. Faust

I was just posing the question for the sake of discussion. I'm pretty sure I know what Faust thinks. Wondering what YW hapas think.

[>:^|]

As far as the "looking down" on other hapas or "white-washed" Asians... I think it's a matter of attitude. I won't lie, there have definitely been times I've been around hapas or AA's broadcasting to the world how "Asian" they are and I've had the thought in my head "whatever I'm more Asian than you are...", but that's almost always as far as it goes. IMO I don't really have the clout or right really to be telling anyone how Asian or not Asian they are... but I do know how I feel, and I do know how I grew up.

So does that mean I'm internalizing?

I guess my thought is that when I feel this way, I'm feeling like somebody else is challenging or questioning my self-identification or ethnicity. Also, I've noticed that my identification with my "Asianness" has been a stronger need at different times in my life.

Sometimes even now I feel like I want to prove my Asianness and I think it has to do with finding my own place in a rapidly changing environment.

[BeTheReds]

I was just posing the question for the sake of discussion. I'm pretty sure I know what Faust thinks. Wondering what YW hapas think.


In that case.. no. I think it is impossible to sell out other hapas. It's not yet a well defined group to the point that there is a concensus that you can go against to sell them out.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Here's an interesting question- can a hapa really "sell-out?"

Anyone can sell out. To me, selling out simply refers to a switching of alliances or commitment from a general group, culture, institution, or organization (a group that can be either standardized or imagined which one originally identified with and shared a common credible bond with) to another group for superficial, foolish, ignorant, or immoral reasons. The degree of immorality or foolishness in such reasons is obviously up for debate. Nevertheless, the term 'selling out' insinuates an act of betrayal, i.e. a man who commits an act/betrays because he has chosen money, fame, wealth, etc. over the developed relationships and trust shared with his comrades over time.

This is why as far as I'm concerned, many Asian Americans who are born and brought up in white neighborhoods can't sell-out if all they do is hang out with white people and have no interest in their ethnic culture whatsoever. They were never connected to it in the first place, never shared any type of credible bond, and were never really 'culturally Asian' to begin with, etc. They had nothing to switch from, and simply embraced (and continue to embrace) the environment and way of life in which they grew up either due to preference, familiarity or both.

[thaite]

Ya know what's even more crazy and annoying? It's when hapas try to 'out-hapa' each other!

"I'm more half than you are!"

"Uh uh! Watch me eat this steak with nuthin' but chopsticks!"

"Oh yeah? Watch me mow the lawn with this samurai sword!"

[Faithless]

I think it's like, arrogance about being able to speak the language, know the culture, how many visits to Asia one has had, basically how culturally Asian you are as a method of proving superiority?
But if you feel "out-Asianed", are you probably feeling your own inadequancy instead?

I know my limits, and I know others around me know more stuff. More power too them. We just chose to focus on things in a different direction.

Being out-done is bound to happen in all walks of life.

[rice cracker]

But if you feel "out-Asianed", are you probably feeling your own inadequancy instead?

I know my limits, and I know others around me know more stuff. More power too them. We just chose to focus on things in a different direction.

Being out-done is bound to happen in all walks of life.

Being out-done is bound to happen, however on the part of the one doing the out-asianing there is a certain attitude of arrogance, or know-it-all-ness, because they feel they are better than less culturally Asian hapas.

[SunWuKong]

I guess my thought is that when I feel this way, I'm feeling like somebody else is challenging or questioning my self-identification or ethnicity. Also, I've noticed that my identification with my "Asianness" has been a stronger need at different times in my life.

Sometimes even now I feel like I want to prove my Asianness and I think it has to do with finding my own place in a rapidly changing environment.

you're hapa?

[rice cracker]

Sometimes I see very white-washed people, and I think to myself,"Hah! I'm whiter than you'll ever be! Muahahahaha!" Asian wannabes illicit a similar response.

[coagulated fat]

sure, but its this question of "inadequacy" in the first place - it's too arduous. why should any of those criterion measure a person in an "asian" scale? societal normatives are what decides "asianess", so it's basically a lot of moot (not to undermine cultural practices, or what not).

love,
prof. frink
Exactly!! Why should someone feel "not asian enough" and who decided that asianness was the barometer of a person's worth?

[SunWuKong]

sure, but its this question of "inadequacy" in the first place - it's too arduous. why should any of those criterion measure a person in an "asian" scale? societal normatives are what decides "asianess", so it's basically a lot of moot (not to undermine cultural practices, or what not).

love,
prof. frink
Exactly!! Why should someone feel "not asian enough" and who decided that asianness was the barometer of a person's worth?

that sounds nice and all, but in my opinion, cultural "Asianness" is defined by the way that (Asian) people in Asia live.

imagine if a born-and-raised New Yorker said, "who decides what it is to be culturally Californian? i am just as Californian as anybody else."

[SunWuKong]

cultural validity is more complex than fitting into what constitutes basic "asianness", an entity of binary codes people are so willingly to accept and normalize (chopsticks or no chopsticks, take shoes off or don't take shoes off, speak the language or don't speak the language). what about an asian person born and raised in america? do they get points subtracted because they don't eat traditional asian food for dinner every night? what if an asian american person speaks an asian language but prefers to not eat with chopsticks ever? is s/he suddenly a "lesser" asian?

well, personally, i see culture as a lot more than the commodities that are found in it. anybody can learn to use chopsticks in a couple of days to a week at most. but if you're fluent or at least proficient in a language, it shows that you either grew up with the culture or you devoted a lot of time to learning it.

and anyway, if my rice is on a plate instead of a bowl, i'd rather use a spoon or fork to eat it. it's easier.

i completely understand your point - i don't think we're contesting over what makes up "asianness" - it can't be reverted: what is considered asian is considered asian. yet be more critical when you apply these requirements to people who may have not had the privilege (or some would simply see it as a chance) to be raised and immersed in their specific asian culture.

i think the difference is that people shouldn't equate "less culturally Asian" to "less worthy". just because someone is not very intimately familiar with their ethnic culture, it is no reason to look down on them. but i think pointing out that someone is not very culturally Asian is not something that's inherently wrong or malicious.

[kimpossible]

cultural validity is more complex than fitting into what constitutes basic "asianness", an entity of binary codes people are so willingly to accept and normalize (chopsticks or no chopsticks, take shoes off or don't take shoes off, speak the language or don't speak the language). what about an asian person born and raised in america? do they get points subtracted because they don't eat traditional asian food for dinner every night? what if an asian american person speaks an asian language but prefers to not eat with chopsticks ever? is s/he suddenly a "lesser" asian?

i completely understand your point - i don't think we're contesting over what makes up "asianness" - it can't be reverted: what is considered asian is considered asian. yet be more critical when you apply these requirements to people who may have not had the privilege (or some would simply see it as a chance) to be raised and immersed in their specific asian culture.

love,
prof. frink

Cheap plug for the YW Book Club. Our first book The Barbarians Are Coming by David Wong Louie addresses some of these very questions with some of the characters and their actions. There's still a couple of weeks left until the discussion opens - you still have time to read!

[Faithless]

Being out-done is bound to happen, however on the part of the one doing the out-asianing there is a certain attitude of arrogance, or know-it-all-ness, because they feel they are better than less culturally Asian hapas.
That's why I like the middle finger. It transcends language. :rolleyes: And when I feel an out-Asianing event happening, I tell 'em, "you're number one".

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sure, but its this question of "inadequacy" in the first place - it's too arduous. why should any of those criterion measure a person in an "asian" scale? societal normatives are what decides "asianess", so it's basically a lot of moot (not to undermine cultural practices, or what not).

love,
prof. frink
Arduous. <* Refreshes memory by looking at web dictionary. *>

Meaning too arduous to overcome the inadequacy?

Dude (borrowing from Randy of American Idol), then you need to look at your own self esteem, neh? And realize where your strengths are.

[BeTheReds]

bump me baby!

I admit it. I do it! I don't even notice that I do it, but I do. :(

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Sorry if this goes off topic, but I also see this shit often in Asian adoptees or super-whitewashed Asian Americans who are trying desperately to latch onto something after 20 or so years of trying to be white. I know this because I used to be one of them. It's annoying as $#@#$% as you watch them try to cover up their insecurities and bitterness with bravado and arrogance. Whether you can blame them or not, is discussion for another day.

[LaiSteve66]

I never had to or felt the need to "out-Asian" anyone. There were few half-Asians in the "community" and it would be difficult to "out-Asian" a full-blooded Viet when you can't even speak Vietnamese. My issue growing up was to "un-White" myself.

wtf, I can't view my post.

[SunWuKong]

i guess the reverse question could also be asked - if any mixed Asians ever go out of their way to show how not Asian they are in front of other mixed Asians or in front of other Asians in general.

[Fireblade]

i guess the reverse question could also be asked - if any mixed Asians ever go out of their way to show how not Asian they are in front of other mixed Asians or in front of other Asians in general.

At least in front of me, they have. Identity issues... complicated and annoying if you have to be the one to hear about it. :mad:

[thaite]

i guess the reverse question could also be asked - if any mixed Asians ever go out of their way to show how not Asian they are in front of other mixed Asians or in front of other Asians in general.

I've witnessed it. My impression is that it follows the same motivation as that of the original question, and that is a person's desire to prove they are more unique than everybody else.

[Chad]

you guys just need to have your Asian card ready for proof whenever the situation arises. no more silly posturing, just flash the badge and it's settled.

[LaiSteve66]

you guys just need to have your Asian card ready for proof whenever the situation arises. no more silly posturing, just flash the badge and it's settled.

I have my driver's license with my Vietnamese middle name on it!

[sweetmilk]

When I was younger, I tried to outwhite my white friends. Unconsciously.

I know what you mean. I used to do really stupid things, like lie about my natural hair color being auburn, and not dark brown/black. I don't know who I was fooling; even though my mom is a blue-eyed woman who had red hair as a child, I'm only a quarter white, and I do not pass at all.

And as far as out-Asianing, it's one of the reasons I've been getting more and more annoyed with a lot fo the hapa community online. Oh really, you don't eat any American food, you speak two Asian languages conversationally and you have a full Asian girlfriend/boyfriend? That's nice.

[Sunflare]

I have my driver's license with my Vietnamese middle name on it!

I love using my Chinese name on my drivers license to confirm my identity to others.

Typical scenerio:

Asian dude/girl: Hey, your Mandarin is'nt too bad. It's Iight. How come you are learning Chinese?

Me: 'Cause I am part Chinese and trying to learn more about my heritage.

Asian dude/girl: Get the f--k out, really ? That's your real name ?

Me: :starts writing my father's surname in simplified hanzi characters:

Asian dude/girl: No, what is your real American name ?

Me: I don't have one. See ? :pulls out driver's license, name is spelled out in romantisized letters according to the Cantonese Yale system

Asian dude/girl: Nice ! That's f--king cool as shit. (Asian girl might say: OMFG! That is like so cool !! :smile: )

:gets pound or hug: :cool:

[Sunflare]

I met a Hapa girl that was working real hard to retain her sense of identity and learn the language her mother spoke, even though her primary language is English.

She got alot of flack because her surname was from her white dad and she did'nt look full Asian 100%. (Man she was pretty!! :redface: )

Anyway, she was under pressure from family members and peers to act "white" and perform that drop one race rule, but she said screw that and continued in her endeavors.

Now she is doing well and people respect her resolution to identify herself as an Asian American. That reminds me of my tendancy to out-Asian others myself, if that is a problem at all anyway to begin with.

[BeTheReds]

Eventually we all get to the point where we stop caring.

[Sunflare]

^Naw. Not everybody. Many Hapas' and Blasians are ever the more interested with their heritage, but they might not be as assertive about it, (like u said) since we end up busier and more preoccupied with our personal lives as circumstances change with age and time. Know what I mean, pal?

Then you got persons obsessed with it like me. . . . .LOL.

[popculturepooka]

^Uhm...Blasians ARE Hapas.

[Sunflare]

^But the word 'Hapa' is not used often in the general context to define *BOTH* persons of Afro-Asian *AND* Eurasian heritage. You know that. I felt the need to be specific so that people don't think that I am specifically talking about Eurasians only in the usage of the 'affectionate' (:rolleyes:) term "Hapa".

Most people (besides you, with your good knowledge of identity issues) think of Eurasians when they hear the word 'Hapa'. I did'nt want the new people here to get mixed up with the proper usage of the terms if there are any to begin with.

Maybe I can use the word "persons of dual heritage' but that is way too broad. What are your suggestions Pooka? You got me feeling like I'm walking on a tightrope in a circus or walking bare foot on burning coals of fire or something.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Eventually we all get to the point where we stop caring.
Guess you're more mature than me. Sometimes I still get a mild rush out of talking Cantonese in front of annoying ABCs who come to Hong Kong for an internship/contract with some big corporate and think they're big pimps now and can pick up any girl despite talking like a three year-old.

Other times I get annoyed at myself for having whole-heartedly thrown myself into assimilating with HK Cantonese-speakers of a completely different cultural/social class background in the first place and abandoning my "real" roots just cuz of trivial shit that happened in high school. or maybe I'm just pissed off at HKers for having internalised these negative views of hakkas or other stuff I might identify as.

[BeTheReds]

Hey, I get a rush out of speaking Korean on behalf of clueless ABKs myself, but I don't go out of my way to show people HEY HEY LOOK AT ME I AM KOREAN!!!! as much as I used to. I simply don't care as much anymore. In fact, the truth of the matter is that anything that is represented in the U.S. as "Korean" such as traditional music and drums and all that other good cultural stuff that morons learn to find their "roots" is simply bullshit that's made specifically to entertain foreigners, and the average Korean doesn't give a crap about it.

[Sunflare]

In fact, the truth of the matter is that anything that is represented in the U.S. as "Korean" such as traditional music and drums and all that other good cultural stuff that morons learn to find their "roots" is simply bullshit that's made specifically to entertain foreigners, and the average Korean doesn't give a crap about it.

Me, I'm going in the opposite direction, looking to get back to my roots, mainly by struggling to learn Mandarin Chinese and by reading up on modern Chinese history, when I have the time.

Among my Chinese friends, I don't discuss it too often, respecting their reluctance and lack of interest in discussing their Chinese heritage. I can understand why. Many Chinese are sick and tired of the fetishism and stereotyping attached to Asian culture, thanks to the clueless non-Asians. Braindead Non-Asians who are :ahem: 'interested'(:rolleyes:) in 'learning'(:rolleyes:) about ancient Chinese culture. Yeah right. My half black ass. It's really because 99.9% of the time the dumbf--ks just wants to create the enviorment to furfill their oriental fantasy to marry an AF and have a liter of Hapa kids.(:rolleyes:)

Interestingly, as a contrast, I've noticed that around my way there are many Puerto Ricans I know or met in the past who LOVE to discuss issues concerning their heritage. They display their pride in their unique heritage with force, drive, and emotion. I admire them for it.

They proudly display their flags hanging out of windows in the brownstone apartment buildings, play their culturally enriched music loud for everyone to hear, and wear apparel with the Puerto Rican flag patched on it. Their message is clear:

We are Puerto Ricans and f--king proud! Don't f--k with us ! Come mierda, Hijo de puta ! (Go eat sh-t motherf--kers!!)

Anyway, dont feed the asiaphiles. Say no to discussing Asian heritage with the losers, keep them guessing.

[BeTheReds]

Puerto Ricans have a homeland in which they are the majority (Puerto Rico), a relatively shared history (of immigration from Puerto Rico, or collective experiences that Puerto Rico herself has endured), a common language other than the language that the majority speaks (Spanish), organized community and facilities (churches, other associations created by puerto ricans for puerto ricans), family ties to other Puerto Ricans beyond their siblings, an existing culture, etc etc...

Hapas have none of the above. This is why it's very faulty logic in my opinion to suggest that hapas are part of a community or have anything to be prideful about. In fact, most hapas are more naturally connected to Asian-American communities than to other hapas.

I know I've probably said the above in 700 different ways by now, but I'll never cease as long as there are people who want to talk about it.

[Sunflare]

Unfortunately Hapas in general have no common ground for unity and solidarity as one specific group with a common heritage as Puerto Ricans do. I f--king envy them. It's almost impossible for Hapas to achieve.

The various backgrounds they possess is staggering. Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Afro-American, Anglo-American, Nigerian, Indian, Irish, Martian, Klingon, etc.

How could we relate to one another without the confusion and conflict? Caused by the barriers imposed on ourselves? (out of no fault of our own, we did'nt ask to be born this way) Barriers that come as a result of the staggeringly and vastly different and conflicting variety of backgrounds and cultures with its way of thinking, language spoken and outlooks on life.

Imagine a couple of dozen people in a room, no f--king body who can speak one goddamn common language and communicate. Even sign language or sum shit for Christs' sake. Wonder how well that party will go? Everybody will be staring at each other jaws dropped in utter stupidity. Well facial expressions and advances towards sexual activity is universal language. I forgot about that.

Well sad to say, that's where all we Hapas are at. No rich heritage to express, all in unison and pride. No f--king country we can call our own, no goddamn flag to represent. No f--king army or government to govern the mixed people in the name of righteousness. It f--king sucks.

The only common ground? Well all Hapas are mutts going through an identity crisis and all Hapa females all targets of loser Hapaphiles or stupid ass Asiaphiles who don't realize they are f--king Hapaphiles. Dumbf--ks.

Damn. Were screwed. It's sucks being a f--king Hapa. :starts crys hysterically:

[kimpossible]

Eh, all degrees of relativism. Some closer some further apart.

The only other hapa I share an Asian ethnicity with here is popculturepooka.

I'm white/Asian like BTR, rice cracker and thaite.

Rice cracker and I are the only active female members, I think. Is that right? That can't be right. Anyhow.

But you and I are both the only active members with 25% East Asian blood, and we also have Chinese last names. We'd be pulling our driver's licenses out together to show all the Asians. lol. I've had to do that before, too.

But if I had my son with me then by second degree he'd share Asian ethnicities with you and popculturepooka, he'd have an Asian dad like BTR and you, and also have white/Asian background like a lot of the others.

We're not united but obviously we relate to different degrees on different levels.

[Sunflare]

But you and I are both the only active members with 25% East Asian blood, and we also have Chinese last names. We'd be pulling our driver's licenses out together to show all the Asians. lol. I've had to do that before, too.

Really? you too? I thought I was the only one . . . .

h, all degrees of relativism. Some closer some further apart.We're not united but obviously we relate to different degrees on different levels.

Then I guess we mixed Asians can bond and stay together shoulder to shouder sort of speak on the understanding that we all have similar issues to contend with as mixed Asians with similar aspirations, desires, experiences, and concerns in life.

It sounds like a dream or a crazy idea but theoretically I think it can work, unity among Mixed asians despite the cultural/linguistic/racial/economic barriers. The sucess of the "Hello Hapas" forum on YW is direct proof of that. It's like nothing else on the net.

I mentioned this before but I'll relate it to all here again:

I know a Hapa girl (Looks mostly like an lightskinned AF with straight black hair. Gorgeous little sweetheart) who has a Blasian male cousin. (Darker skinned, Has curly hair, but shares the same prominent Asiatic features as his cousin. Handsome guy, he is like man- candy to other girls out there.) They keep it tight like brother and sister. They truely love each other.

Seeing that s--t touched my heart, seriously. Yeah, I shed a tear or two. it was an esteemed privilage to meet these two and their family. That inspired me to see that there is a glimmer of hope for better relations, peace and friendship between Afro-asians and Eurasians (and others of mixed descent ) in the future.

I dream about it alot.

[BeTheReds]

Man oh man...

Crystal... You're totally entitled to feel however you want to about mixed people and mixed unity, as well as other mixed people who might agree with that...

But please understand that there are some mixed people who think the idea of commonality between mixed people is ridiculous in that there isn't any basis for the bond.

I'm not trying to suggest that you aren't aware of these people, but from your posts, it seems to me that you have an idea that mixed people must identify as mixed and with each other.

Correct me if I am wrong please...

[Sunflare]

Man oh man...Crystal... You're totally entitled to feel however you want to about mixed people and mixed unity, as well as other mixed people who might agree with that

Thank you for respecting my point of view. Well appreciated.

But please understand that there are some mixed people who think the idea of commonality between mixed people is ridiculous in that there isn't any basis for the bond.

Understood, but to me that's disapointing to hear. (Nothing personal) But that is true, I see it too. Some people prefer not to identify thenselves as Asian or as a person of mixed heritage nor care to relate with anyone else who is mixed Asian. I strongly believe that it stems from pressure from family, peers and society in general. Of course race issues are involved.

Sometimes though I guess it's more of a personal issue or agenda that the individual hapa might have more than anything else, from talking with other hapas in person at the bar after a few drinks.

I'm not trying to suggest that you aren't aware of these people, but from your posts, it seems to me that you have an idea that mixed people must identify as mixed and with each other.

Correct me if I am wrong please...

Yeah I do. I'll admit, I can be an asshole when it comes to APA empowerment issues. But I do dream of the day when all hapas and other persons of mixed descent, and other persons of color, and whites for that matter can be united in brotherly love and peace without the bullshit racial hatred, microagression and IR dating disparity issues. I daydream about it alot to escape the ugly reality sometimes. Can't help it.

I hope you understand. Tell me if this is gibberish that only a totally insane person with issues would write. . . . .

[BeTheReds]

Yeah I do. I'll admit, I can be an asshole when it comes to APA empowerment issues. But I do dream of the day when all hapas and other persons of mixed descent, and other persons of color, and whites for that matter can be united in brotherly love and peace without the bullshit racial hatred, microagression and IR dating disparity issues.


Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the sugar plum trees and the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountain!

Hahaha!

[Sunflare]

Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the sugar plum trees and the lemonade springs where the bluebird sings on the Big Rock Candy Mountain!

Hahaha!

LOL. Yeah. Sometimes I have to even laugh at myself at what I say sometimes . . . .

As unrealistic and hopeless the real world reality may seem for whole racial unity thing , I i still can't help but persistently continue to daydream of hopes for a better future for all of mankind as a form of escapism.

And who knows? It may not happen for the next several decades, or in our lifetimes, but it *could* happen. True racial unity. . . .

[BeTheReds]

LOL. Yeah. Sometimes I have to even laugh at myself at what I say sometimes . . . .

As unrealistic and hopeless the real world reality may seem for whole racial unity thing , I i still can't help but persistently continue to daydream of hopes for a better future for all of mankind as a form of escapism.

And who knows? It may not happen for the next several decades, or in our lifetimes, but it *could* happen. True racial unity. . . .

Racial unity as in unity of the Asian race? Or did u mean racism as an obsolete phenominon?

[Sunflare]

Racial unity as in unity of the Asian race? Or did u mean racism as an obsolete phenominon?

Racism as an obsolete phenomonon. I daydream alot, looking foward ,to the day that racism ceases to exist as a social plague among the inhabitants of this earth.