Fantasy Baseball - Season II

[lethal]

League Started. I did Roto rather than points because we used Roto last year for the H2H. This year is not H2H but just straight out Roto.

Welcome to Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Baseball.

This is to confirm that you've created the Custom League named YW Fantasy Baseball II and the team called Lethal Weapons in that league.

To allow other managers to join your league, send them the League ID# and Password. In your case, the ID# is 12831 and the Password is mafia.

You have chosen for your league to take part in a live online draft on Wed Mar 10 10:00am PST. Until that time, you (and only you) can change the type of draft by using the Change Draft Type option found among your Commissioner Tools, which can be reached from your League Overview page.

If you choose to remain in a live draft, please arrive at the draft 10 minutes ahead of the scheduled time. The draft will start promptly and may conclude rapidly if only a few managers are logged in.

We also suggest that all league members pre-rank their players in case a coach can't make it to the draft. Managers can do this at any time by simply going to the Fantasy Baseball home page and clicking on their team name.

Thanks for joining. Good luck.

--Fantasy Baseball Commissioner
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1

Therefore, go to the above link to sign up.

League ID is 12831
Password is mafia

Draft is Wed Mar 10 10:00am PST

I'm gonna kick y'alls asses this year.

[fresh22]

Is it free?

[BeTheReds]

Is it free?
yes

[cmar]

I'm in . . . I have no hope in the YW NBA league, so I can't wait for baseball to start.

[amietron]

i'll join, but i don't know how to play.

[Kuchana]

i'll join, but i don't know how to play.

LOL Don't worry I'm sure you'll pick it up in no time :smile:

[achtungbaby]

Signed. I like their new layout.

...females...?? :)

[amietron]

you get to choose your own jersey/hat colors and everything. how cool.

[Kuchana]

Signed. I like their new layout.

...females...?? :)

C'mon amietron! Let's show 'em what we got :wink: *flexes her muscles* Are you boys scared???? :biggrin:

[deez nuts]

signed up.

i hope all of ya's like your ass whoopings hot and steamy cuz that's how i'm gonna serve em.

edit: did we take precautions from all that cockblocking bullshit tactic of last season?

[cmar]

signed up.

i hope all of ya's like your ass whoopings hot and steamy cuz that's how i'm gonna serve em.

edit: did we take precautions from all that cockblocking bullshit tactic of last season?


I think since we are rotisserie with a maximum number of innings pitched and not a head-to-head league there will be less usefulness in cockblocking. I like head-to-head leagues, but that got insanely wild at the end of last season.

[lethal]

Yeah, we have 1250 innings pitched max for the season.

No more rotating pitchers in and out with no limits.

And best yet, no Twin Dragons this year.

Sign up, sign up!

[lethal]

amietron, Kuchana, you gals playing?

No knowledge of baseball is actually needed. We can explain everything here.

[BeTheReds]

amietron, Kuchana, you gals playing?

No knowledge of baseball is actually needed. We can explain everything here.


For those who don't know how to play:

The object of the game is to assemble a team of MLB players and try to accumulate stats in all of the stat categories. Rather than recieving a few points for each stat, the stat category is ranked, and you get points according to rank. See example:

(For this example we are using the Homeruns and Batting Average stats...)

Team: HR AVG
TeamA: 81 .280
TeamB: 69 .320
TeamC: 99 .290

Okay, now since there are 3 teams, being in first place in a category will give u 3 points, being in 2nd will give you 2, and being in first will give you 1.

Team: HR AVG Total
TeamA: 2 1 3
TeamB: 1 3 4
TeamC: 3 2 5

Team C is on top with 5 points for being first in HR and second in AVG.

It does not pay to blow everyone away in one category and suck in all the rest, thus loading your team with HR sluggers will probably make your average, stolen bases, and on base percentage suck. Your HR and RBI however will be great, but when you only need to have 1 more HR than your competition to be ahead of him/her, it makes no sense to blow everyone else away.

[lethal]

I'm going to change the draft date and time so its not 3 AM in Japan. Any preferences for date/time?

[achtungbaby]

I'm going to change the draft date and time so its not 3 AM in Japan. Any preferences for date/time?

I'm down with whatever

[BeTheReds]

Well, if you can manage to do it on a friday night at 6 (EST) then here it will be 8 AM saturday morning. That would be great for me. You could also do better than that if you can make it on a saturday night at any time, and I can draft sunday morning.

I know you all have social lives and stuff, but this is BASEBALL!!! COMEON!!!

[lethal]

Friday March 26th at 6 PM? That's 3 PM on the West coast. That's probably better than the middle of any Spring Saturday afternoon for them.

[deez nuts]

I'm going to change the draft date and time so its not 3 AM in Japan. Any preferences for date/time?


definitely not on a friday at 6pm cuz i'm hurrying to get the fuck out of the hospital.

i prefer anytime mon-thurs. i can either arrange it so i can sneak on during the day (pending that i don't have a procedure) or stay late afterwards and do the live draft when i'm done.

edit: but, i'll go with what the majority has to say to make life for everyone easier.

[lethal]

Well, BTR and CSB can fight it out. Winner sets the draft time. :biggrin:

Since you 2 are the only ones who expressed an opinion and the 2 times each of you are available is more or less mutually exclusive. Convenience to the entire group will be the determinative factor. Otherwise, I'll keep it Friday March 26 at 6 PM as BTR is unable to draft on weekdays and CSB is unwilling.

Or hmm...14 hour time difference. Would 10 AM EST (7 AM PST and 2 AM Japan time) on a weekday work? Or a Friday at 2 PM EST (11 AM PST and 6 AM Saturday for BTR)?

The draft should take about an hour to an hour and a half if memory serves me right.

[deez nuts]

i'd kick his ass.

whatever, i'll manage, i'm resourceful like that.

it's just that friday 6pm has the lowest probability of me being able to hop on the computer since i don't have a computer in my car nor can i draft and drive. lol

i really want to participate in the live draft, i'm working on my kick ass line up as we speak to kick all your asses.

edit: since so far it's been me and btr that has expressed opinions on draft times, we should move the draft time back to the original draft date and time...eh...eh..what do you say.

[BeTheReds]

If you can manage to do it on a weekday AFTER the 24th, I'll be on spring break, so any time will be okay

[cmar]

anytime is good for the dada team - I am ready to go

[deez nuts]

let's just keep the draft date as is, i'll manage. that way there won't be no excuses when i deliver the ass kickings.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

LOL Don't worry I'm sure you'll pick it up in no time :smile:

*sigh* Ok I guess I'm in because Kuchana is holding my family hostage if i don't join. I have no idea how this works, but...hey, there's a first time for everything. Do I need protection?

Edit: Ok I just realized that I have to actually sign up and do extra work, where do I go to do that?

[lethal]

*sigh* Ok I guess I'm in because Kuchana is holding my family hostage if i don't join. I have no idea how this works, but...hey, there's a first time for everything. Do I need protection?

Edit: Ok I just realized that I have to actually sign up and do extra work, where do I go to do that?

You have to sign up for a Yahoo account. If you click on the link on the first post, then I think that'll take you to the page where you can sign up.

IM me if you want me to talk you through it.

[lethal]

There's 10 teams last I checked. Who is in so far? I can pick out LW, AB, CSB, BTR, cmar, yoMama, Gumby, BTR's friend...and 2 others?

[BeTheReds]

There's 10 teams last I checked. Who is in so far? I can pick out LW, AB, CSB, BTR, cmar, yoMama, BTR's friend...and 3 others?


Amietron, Gumby, and Kuchana


My brother and another friend might join too.

[lethal]

Monday the 29th at 6 PM EST.

I'm at home, CSB is at work, BTR is on Spring Break.

That's what it is.

[BeTheReds]

Monday the 29th at 6 PM EST.

I'm at home, CSB is at work, BTR is on Spring Break.

That's what it is.


Tuesday the 30th at 8 AM?

Gotcha!

[lethal]

Just in time for opening day in Tokyo the next day too.

[BeTheReds]

Just in time for opening day in Tokyo the next day too.


I'm watching Hanshin vs New York on the 28th... Couldn't get tickets to NYYvsTB

[lethal]

I see we added 2 more teams.

13 so far! This'll be a big, competitive league.

[BeTheReds]

can we limit it to 14 and switch to AL only?

That way people will have to actually look up real utility players, and suddenly B.J. Surhoff becomes an actual commodity?

[lethal]

Nah, I like full MLB. 14 teams at 25 players one league only would be basically the entire league and well...I don't think filling our squads with 11th pitchers and 6th bench players is any fun.

I'm OK with 14 teams though.

[deez nuts]

hell no, if we're not gonna limit the number of participants (like i suggested) we shouldn't limit whether it's an all AL or NL league.

scraping the bottom of the barrel doesn't appeal to me at all and even more so if we eliminate the NL players, effectively cutting off half the MLB player roster.

[achtungbaby]

Just curious, but how many of you would be interested in another league...? My cousin was interested and I think a few other peeps...but only if there are at least a couple willing from this league...

[BeTheReds]

Well lets limit it to 14...

[deez nuts]

Just curious, but how many of you would be interested in another league...? My cousin was interested and I think a few other peeps...but only if there are at least a couple willing from this league...

sure, i'm down. this league, your cousin's league and work league.

sure why not

[lethal]

Draft's in a couple days. Be there!

[BeTheReds]

My other team...

In my other league, I kicked ass on the draft and I am making awesome trades. My roster currently looks like this

1B - Hee Seop Choi
2B - Alfonso Soriano (soon to be Eric Young, when Sori qualifies for SS)
SS - Alex (Florida) Gonzalez (Soon to be Alfonso Soriano)
3B - Vinny Castilla
C - Ivan Rodriguez
OF - Juan Pierre
OF - Sammy Sosa
OF - Vladimir Guererro
Util - Richard Hidalgo
Util - Eric Young (soon to be Jay Gibbons)
BN - Jay Gibbons
BN - Julio Lugo

SP - Greg Maddux
SP - Odalis Perez
RP - Braden Looper
RP - Jose Mesa
P - David Wells
P - Dontrelle Willis
P - Ramon Ortiz
BN - Kyle Lohse
BN - Tom Gordon
BN - Victor Zambrano
I've done a few trades to get this far.

First problems - Autodraft gave me Travis Lee as my only 1B (and he's a backup for the Yanks, not the starter for the Rays).

Jeff Suppan for Hee Seop Choi

Next: I drafted 3 2Bs so I can afford to trade one of them. Shopped Jeff Kent around, but no one seemed to want to give me anything good for him..

Then came the mega deal..

Vlad Guererro, Juan Pierre, and Julio Lugo for Derek Jeter, Lance Berkman, and Jeff Kent.

Nice upgrade for my OF but taking a hit at SS. Problem solved by picking up Alex Gonzalez off the waiver wire. Soon I'll move Alfonso Soriano to short.

Last: This trade is still pending, but if it works out, my team will kick so much ass!

Richard Hidalgo, Vinny Castilla, Victor Zambrano, and Jose Mesa for David Ortiz, Hank Blalock, and Joe Borowski

Upgrades at 1B, 3B, and RP and taking a minor hit at OF and losing an SP who I don't plan to use anyway.

[lethal]

Why would Soriano qualify for SS when he's playing 2B and Michael Young is moving over to SS for Texas?

[lethal]

I'd like to officially say that my draft sucked.

[BeTheReds]

Why would Soriano qualify for SS when he's playing 2B and Michael Young is moving over to SS for Texas?


Young can't play there everyday and they have backup 2B but no backup SS.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I'd like to officially say that my draft sucked.

Mine didn't. And I don't even know how to play! HAHAHA suckahhh

[fresh22]

My batting lineup is pretty good....though my starting pitching is iffy and I have no legit closer (stupid setup-men).

[cmar]

I'd like to officially say that my draft sucked.

I'm happy with most of my picks. Took some chances...took too many KC Royals, but now I have more reason to root for them when I watch their games. Got a couple of my favorite players. I think I will do OK.

I am so embarrassed to be in last place in YW Fantasy NBA. I have never finished in last place in any fantasy league. Ugh. And I have FOUR players currently on the IL, so I guess I have little chance of moving up.

[BeTheReds]

Mine didn't. And I don't even know how to play! HAHAHA suckahhh
You're in first place after day one. Thanks to Julio Lugo.

I'm happy with most of my picks. Took some chances...took too many KC Royals, but now I have more reason to root for them when I watch their games. Got a couple of my favorite players. I think I will do OK.

I am so embarrassed to be in last place in YW Fantasy NBA. I have never finished in last place in any fantasy league. Ugh. And I have FOUR players currently on the IL, so I guess I have little chance of moving up.


I tried to not draft too many Orioles this year. I think the ones I did draft are solid picks for the areas I have them in.

Didn't get any of the super free agents tho.

Anyway, I think my outfield rocks.I don't think any other league out there can replicate what I did, getting Bonds AND Guererro.

[lethal]

I have far too many Phillies.

[achtungbaby]

I'd like to officially say that my draft sucked.

? I thought you had a decent draft. Thought you might have taken too many pitchers early (four in the first six rounds) but this is roto...

I was pleased with mine. In a 12 team league I was able to get Mike Lowell in the 5th, J. Edmonds in the 6th, Phil Nevins in the 7th, J. Varitek in the 15th...

The results so far of all ESPN 2004 fantasy baseball drafts:

RNK PLAYER, TEAM POS OVR AP 7DAY +/- PCT
1. Alex Rodriguez, NYY SS 1.27 -0.31 100.0
2. Albert Pujols, StL OF 2.26 -0.18 100.0
3. Alfonso Soriano, Tex 2B 3.43 -0.34 100.0
4. Vladimir Guerrero, Ana OF 5.30 -0.23 100.0
5. Todd Helton, Col 1B 5.50 -0.01 100.0
6. Carlos Beltran, KC OF 6.54 -0.10 100.0
7. Mark Prior, ChC P 8.36 -3.82 100.0
8. San Francisco OF, SF OF 9.64 +0.55 100.0
9. Nomar Garciaparra, Bos SS 10.11 -1.90 100.0
10. Manny Ramirez, Bos OF 10.92 +0.38 100.0
11. Miguel Tejada, Bal SS 13.03 +0.30 100.0
12. Pedro Martinez, Bos P 13.76 -0.35 100.0
13. Magglio Ordonez, ChW OF 15.87 +0.12 100.0
14. Curt Schilling, Bos P 16.38 +0.60 100.0
15. Gary Sheffield, NYY OF 16.44 -0.94 100.0
16. Bret Boone, Sea 2B 18.18 +0.23 100.0
17. Randy Johnson, Ari P 19.38 +0.32 100.0
18. Eric Gagne, LA P 20.44 -0.93 100.0
19. Edgar Renteria, StL SS 20.78 +0.23 100.0
20. Roy Halladay, Tor P 21.61 +0.23 100.0
21. Ichiro Suzuki, Sea OF 21.70 +0.69 100.0
22. Sammy Sosa, ChC OF 22.33 -0.51 100.0
23. Scott Rolen, StL 3B 23.31 -0.48 100.0
24. Jim Thome, Phi 1B 23.42 -0.09 100.0
25. Carlos Delgado, Tor 1B 25.05 -0.49 100.0
26. Kerry Wood, ChC P 27.22 +1.43 100.0
27. Eric Chavez, Oak 3B 28.08 +0.92 100.0
28. Jason Giambi, NYY 1B 30.21 -0.94 100.0
29. Derek Jeter, NYY SS 31.21 -1.49 100.0
30. Preston Wilson, Col OF 31.36 -4.24 100.0
31. Vernon Wells, Tor OF 33.37 +0.34 100.0
32. Jason Schmidt, SF P 34.07 -2.57 100.0
33. Billy Wagner, Phi P 34.21 -1.86 100.0
34. Jorge Posada, NYY C 36.67 +2.96 100.0
35. Javier Vazquez, NYY P 37.32 +0.86 100.0
36. Juan Pierre, Fla OF 39.11 -1.12 100.0
37. Jeff Kent, Hou 2B 39.90 -0.26 100.0
38. Mike Piazza, NYM C 40.23 +0.48 100.0
39. Mike Mussina, NYY P 40.51 +1.00 100.0
40. Keith Foulke, Bos P 40.71 -2.31 100.0
41. Brian Giles, SD OF 41.46 +0.81 100.0
42. Richie Sexson, Ari 1B 42.72 +0.67 100.0
43. John Smoltz, Atl P 43.75 -2.18 100.0
44. Mariano Rivera, NYY P 46.68 -1.09 100.0
45. Tim Hudson, Oak P 46.69 +1.87 100.0
46. Bob Abreu, Phi OF 47.76 -0.27 100.0
47. Lance Berkman, Hou OF 48.06 -0.90 100.0
48. Javy Lopez, Bal C 48.62 +0.19 100.0
49. Ivan Rodriguez, Det C 50.07 -0.25 100.0
50. Mike Lowell, Fla 3B 50.30 -1.21 100.0
51. Rafael Furcal, Atl SS 50.61 -0.45 100.0
52. Roy Oswalt, Hou P 53.35 +1.96 100.0
53. Jeff Bagwell, Hou 1B 55.00 -0.57 100.0
54. Kevin Brown, NYY P 55.05 +3.55 100.0
55. Aubrey Huff, Tam OF 56.48 -0.10 100.0
56. Hank Blalock, Tex 3B 57.57 +0.19 100.0
57. Garret Anderson, Ana OF 58.09 -2.00 100.0
58. Josh Beckett, Fla P 59.18 +1.38 100.0
59. Derrek Lee, ChC 1B 59.42 -0.60 100.0
60. Barry Zito, Oak P 61.49 +2.27 100.0
61. Carl Crawford, Tam OF 61.69 +1.60 100.0
62. Octavio Dotel, Hou P 62.69 -2.95 100.0
63. Luis Castillo, Fla 2B 66.99 -2.60 100.0
64. Chipper Jones, Atl OF 67.83 +0.39 100.0
65. Orlando Cabrera, Mon SS 67.91 +3.84 100.0
66. Kazuo Matsui, NYM SS 68.44 -1.04 100.0
67. Andruw Jones, Atl OF 69.47 -0.48 100.0
68. Marcus Giles, Atl 2B 70.36 +0.75 100.0
69. Jose Vidro, Mon 2B 72.64 +0.63 100.0
70. Eddie Guardado, Sea P 73.24 -2.76 100.0
71. Carlos Lee, ChW OF 73.96 +0.13 100.0
72. Bartolo Colon, Ana P 74.11 +1.32 100.0
73. Esteban Loaiza, ChW P 74.11 +1.65 100.0
74. Mark Mulder, Oak P 74.58 +1.21 100.0
75. Angel Berroa, KC SS 75.81 +1.54 100.0
76. Johan Santana, Min P 77.06 -1.26 100.0
77. Jose Reyes, NYM SS 82.49 -3.82 100.0
78. Mark Teixeira, Tex 1B 83.05 -0.09 100.0
79. Miguel Cabrera, Fla OF 84.54 +1.10 100.0
80. Jason Isringhausen, StL P 85.67 -3.57 100.0

[lethal]

? I thought you had a decent draft. Thought you might have taken too many pitchers early (four in the first six rounds) but this is roto...

I was pleased to get Cabrera in the 25th round, but I can't believe I completely forgot about Vlad Guerrero when he was still available when I picked my second round choice at the 14th slot.

We'll see. I'm not very happy with the draft.

[lethal]

Season's starting Monday (actually Sunday night was the first game). Make sure your rosters are set.

[BeTheReds]

I can't believe I completely forgot about Vlad Guerrero when he was still available when I picked my second round choice at the 14th slot.



Nyah Nyah!

I can't believe I was actually there and I didn't grab a second closer...

[BeTheReds]

8. San Francisco OF, SF OF 9.64 +0.55 100.0


Why can Yahoo list Bonds but Espn can't?

[achtungbaby]

Why can Yahoo list Bonds but Espn can't?

Dunno, must be some silly copyright issue. Maybe Bonds just doesn't like ESPN.

I thought my YW draft went okay but it was nothing like the pillaging that my work draft was: in an 11 team league, I drafted the team from hell. THe first 10 rounds went like this:

1st round (3rd overall) - Albert Pujols
2nd (20th) - Bret Boone
3rd (25th) - Magglio Ordonez
4th (42nd) - Scott Rolen
5th (47th) - Derek Jeter
6th (64th) - Roy Oswalt
7th (69th) - Octavio Dotel
8th (86th) - Jim Edmonds
9th (91st) - Mike Lowell
10th (108th) - Matt Morris

In my work's second fantasy draft (yes, they're baseball freaks here), in an eight team, head to head league:

1st round (8th overall) - Todd Helton
2nd (9th) - Alfonso Soriano
3rd (24th) - Magglio Ordonez
4th (25th) - Edgar Renterria
5th (40th) - Preston Wilson
6th (41st) - Keith Foulke
7th (56th) - Mike Lowell
8th (57th) - Jim Edmonds
9th (72nd) - Ivan Rodriguez
10th (73rd) - Brian Giles

I decided to hone in and dominate the closer category, since this is head to head after all, and picked up Guardardo, Rhodes and Benitez in the final 10 rounds. Oh yeah, I got Blalock again in the 15th:P

I think BTR and 51's team probably had the best drafts in our league. I was pretty impressed with the way you drafted actually BTR...you completely lucked out on Vlad, that's for sure...but getting Kent and then Brownie back to back in the 5th and 6th were robberies. Lookin back at this draft...I remember wanting to not neglect SPs like I usually do and I think my rotation is decent: Schilling, Vazquez, Beckett, Webb with Myers and Milton fighting for the fifth spot:)

[fresh22]

Is someone's team on here named Monster Monkyas 2k4 in the yahoo league?

[BeTheReds]

Is someone's team on here named Monster Monkyas 2k4 in the yahoo league?

That's my friend Ken. He's not a YW member.

[achtungbaby]

Okay, so who's who in this league?

51 - ?
Master_Blaster - gsunchang
Taegukki Euphoria - BeTheReds
The Revenge of KTOWN - achtungbaby
Lethal Weapons - Lethal Weapon
Annie's Garden - ?
Dada - cmar
Hinomaru Excellence - ?
Monster Monkyas 2k4 - Ken (BTR's friend)
Eagles - ?
DinkyTwinkies - ?
Evergreen Thugocracy - ?

Sorry for being an ignoramus...

[lethal]

Evergreen is Gumby, DinkyTwinkies is yoMama, and Eagles is Kuchana.

Annie's Garden is another of BTR's friends. Blaster is AB's cousin?

No clue who Hinomuru is.

[achtungbaby]

Blaster is AB's cousin?

Yep...and before anyone says, "collusion!" lemme just say that it's more difficult for me trying to trade with him than with anyone else.

[fresh22]

That's my friend Ken. He's not a YW member.


Tell him to look at the trades on his screen when he checks, seems like he doesn't notice the trades I have offered (or maybe ignores them? would be nice to just get a flat no :P instead of waiting for a response) .

BTW my team is the DinkyTwinkies, lethal is wrong.

[BeTheReds]

Tell him to look at the trades on his screen when he checks, seems like he doesn't notice the trades I have offered (or maybe ignores them? would be nice to just get a flat no :P instead of waiting for a response) .

BTW my team is the DinkyTwinkies, lethal is wrong.


I'll ask him, but I'm not sure if he'll get to it in a timely manner. He doesn't have internet access at home and his work is kinda strict about web surfing.

Yep...and before anyone says, "collusion!" lemme just say that it's more difficult for me trying to trade with him than with anyone else.

Yea, cuz ultimately your season's success will be rated on how you do against him more than anyone else.

[lethal]

BTW my team is the DinkyTwinkies, lethal is wrong.
DOH! Sorry bro. I forgot you were from Minne and just associated the Twins with yoMAMA. He's more of a Vikings guy though.

[achtungbaby]

Yea, cuz ultimately your season's success will be rated on how you do against him more than anyone else.

No! I refuse to get sucked into urban warfare with him, thereby allowing the rest of you to waltz on by...

[BeTheReds]

No! I refuse to get sucked into urban warfare with him, thereby allowing the rest of you to waltz on by...


You're getting sucked into Urban Warfare with me!!!!

[lethal]

I've inched ahead of AB...

[achtungbaby]

I've inched ahead of AB...

We're tied up now:)

It's still early. We're all separated by some very thin margins, although 51 and I have a chance to (no pun intended) run away with the SB category. You and I are also building a comfortable lead in the K's category.

And that wicked man from Barter Town is continuing to build a lead in the RBI category.

[achtungbaby]

Moved back to third :biggrin:

And oh look, the Yankees finally won (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN 0aA--?gid=240427110&prov=ap), the Angels won their fifth straight (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN 0aA--?gid=240427106&prov=ap), and Mark Prior will be back soon (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0 aA--?slug=ap-cubs-prior&prov=ap&type=lgns)...

[BeTheReds]

crap! the firewall now blocks me from yahoo sports!

[lethal]

Remember, 4 protests against a trade automatically vetoes it. I'm not going to veto any trades as commish, but I will file protests if I think one is blatantly unfair.

[achtungbaby]

Remember, 4 protests against a trade automatically vetoes it. I'm not going to veto any trades as commish, but I will file protests if I think one is blatantly unfair.

So how can we try and prevent abuse of the veto power...?

[lethal]

So how can we try and prevent abuse of the veto power...?
It would take a conspiracy to abuse the veto power.

There are 12 teams in the league, 1 is completely inactive, 3 are only semi-active leaving 8 really active teams.

If you're trading with someone, that leaves 6 teams who can protest the trade. If 4/6 teams protest, I'd say that's a pretty good represention of an unfair trade.

I don't think collusion or abuse is really a plausible scenario.

[achtungbaby]

It would take a conspiracy to abuse the veto power.

There are 12 teams in the league, 1 is completely inactive, 3 are only semi-active leaving 8 really active teams.

If you're trading with someone, that leaves 6 teams who can protest the trade. If 4/6 teams protest, I'd say that's a pretty good represention of an unfair trade.

I don't think collusion or abuse is really a plausible scenario.

Hey, I never used the word "collusion"...that's my paranoid cousin talkin'. But I don't think you need to have collusion for their to be abuse. Although, as you mentioned, there would seem to only be 8 active owners, it would be entire possible, I think, for there to be this perpetual vetoing of any trade. Normally I wouldn't be concerned with just one or two owners just screwing around and voting 'no' as a joke, but the odds are stacked in favor of a veto occuring. Like you mentioned, barring some absolute gross disparity in terms of talent shifting around, overturning a trade should not really be that easy of a thing to do. It's okay for their to be winners and losers in a trade...my own personal measuring stick is evaluating the value that each team is geting according to ther respective needs.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I agree with how you've sized up our league. Every team (except for Hinomaru and Evergreen) has made at least four waiver moves in only a couple weeks of play -- that's pretty impressive given the size of our league. No, we don't have guys on 24/7 to scour our little fantasy league, but I think we ge some pretty good traction and activity.

I'm blabbing to much on this...a la our missing bunboy: i'm down with however y'all decide anyway so no big.

[BeTheReds]

I kinda wish that people who weren't interested in actually playing hadn't signed up. That's my fault for going out and recruiting people.

Either way, great players on losing teams make my team better.

[deez nuts]

It would take a conspiracy to abuse the veto power.

There are 12 teams in the league, 1 is completely inactive, 3 are only semi-active leaving 8 really active teams.



i told you to limit the number of participants. HA!



I'm blabbing to much on this...a la our missing bunboy: i'm down with however y'all decide anyway so no big.

if someone is willing to give me control of one of their inactive teams (if it's doable and ok with everybody), i'll take over and join in the rumble.

i feel bad for dropping out. i thought juggling three fantasy baseball teams would be too much after last season's experience. but, since i sorta kinda got the feel for it now, it hasn't been that bad, yet. it's kinda lonely without you guys **sniff**sniff**

plus so far the yw leagues have been the most competitive for me. the leagues at work and old college friends have proven to be the fastest and easiest way to make some cash for me; like taking candy from a baby.

[lethal]

i told you to limit the number of participants. HA!

if someone is willing to give me control of one of their inactive teams. i'll take over to add more spice.

i feel bad for dropping out. i thought juggling three fantasy baseball teams would be too much after last season's experience. but, since i sorta kinda got the feel for it now, it hasn't been that bad, yet. it's kinda lonely without you guys **sniff**sniff**
I think the higher number of teams is better. 8 teams last year made finding guys on waivers too easy. Even if there are a couple inactive teams.

I can't figure out how to wrest control of a team away from the manager though.

Sorry bunboy...wish I could do it though, esp the guy who hasn't logged in since March and who is still starting Mark Prior.

[deez nuts]

I think the higher number of teams is better. 8 teams last year made finding guys on waivers too easy. Even if there are a couple inactive teams.

I can't figure out how to wrest control of a team away from the manager though.

Sorry bunboy...wish I could do it though, esp the guy who hasn't logged in since March and who is still starting Mark Prior.


not if they're inactive!

it's ok. my fault for being too chicken shit to juggle three leagues.

[achtungbaby]

Either way, great players on losing teams make my team better.

Not if I can convince the owner to trade that player to me :biggrin:

I was going to bitch that it's tough to find talent on the waiver wire in our league, but come to think of it, I've been able to pick up some decent talent: Jose Valverde, who was just named the Diamondbacks CL (and I *really* need a closer); Bautista, who's hitting .333 with 20 runs and 23 RBI; Charles Johnson, who's hit 7HR; Jack Wilson, who's hitting .339, and my best pick up -- Freddy Garcia :biggrin:

Still dunno why he was placed on the waivers but thanks!:)

By the way, if anyone's looking for a decent SP, lemme know.

[achtungbaby]

Shiessa. I didn't know Kerry Wood had a history of arm problems...!

[BeTheReds]

I'm in first place.

But Jorge's nose is broken.

Oh, and I'm looking for a new short stop.

If he's a stud you can have my old one plus jeff kent for him maybe.

[achtungbaby]

Looking for a good CL!

[cmar]

My poor Dada team. I've dropped more than 20 points in the standings since Glaus went down. At the same time the Royals (Beltran, Sweeney and Gonzalez) went into slumps, as did my Dodger players (Green and Bradley). Thank goodness Ichiro is heating up. Maybe this signals the end to my team-wide slump.

[BeTheReds]

Bonds for trade...

[lethal]

I'm looking for a 1B and willing to give up SPs and OFs.

[achtungbaby]

Bonds for trade...
Hah! You should have traded with me when you had a chance:P

[BeTheReds]

Hah! You should have traded with me when you had a chance:P


I offered. You renigged!

[achtungbaby]

I offered. You renigged!
And thank God I did! Otherwise I woulda been stuck with an overpriced meglomaniac who teams won't even pitch to (although the Dbacks did tonight, and he made 'em pay).

And I was gonna offer you Renteria!

[lethal]

Who are you looking for for Bonds? I'm in a dealing mood.

[BeTheReds]

Who are you looking for for Bonds? I'm in a dealing mood.


Someone who can steal bases without being a hole in my lineup... and someone who can get strikeouts without being a liablity in the ERA.

[lethal]

Sent you a proposal. However, if you like other pitchers, I'm open to them as well. My SPs are more or less interchangeable.

[BeTheReds]

Sent you a proposal. However, if you like other pitchers, I'm open to them as well. My SPs are more or less interchangeable.


I'd prefer Halladay.

I'd have accepted the deal maybe 2 weeks ago, when Roberts was hot. But now I'm not so sure

[lethal]

Here's Halladay.

[achtungbaby]

I may not be the biggest Bonds fan but I will acknowledge that if the Giants succeed in piecing together a rag-tag group that can keep pitchers honest, he's basically the Shaq of baseball, only he hits free throws.

For Halladay?:P

I hate to further my trade cock-blocking, but also to add some perspective...!

I've been getting a lot of offers for Barry Bonds. While I understand that he's a great player, you all have to realize that he's very important to my team.

I'll only be willing to give him up if I can get an upgrade at 3 other positions.

An example: Soriano, Lowell and Schilling for Bonds and Jeff Kent.

Another example: Alex Rodriguez, Jason Giambi, and Randy Johnson for Bonds and Derek Jeter.

Most of you may think that I am being unreasonable, but that's just the point. I don't want to give Bonds away.

[lethal]

The offer's more than just Halladay.

[achtungbaby]

The offer's more than just Halladay.
Bah! Halladay and one of the players you were willing to deal to me yesterday:) Hard for me to believe that you'd consider giving up Cabrera/Halladay or even Burrell/Halladay...:P

Anyways, I'll stop prying! Trading's been super slow recently...(sigh)

[BeTheReds]

Gibbons went down, so I'll have to hold up on the Bonds trades. I have a feeling he's gonna get hurt soon so maybe I am shooting myself in the foot.

However, I made too many ill advised trades last year (giving Gagne and Vidro for getting Griffey and Rivera) (Giambi and Blalock for Frank Thomas and Ichiro)

Giving Ichiro for Lowe...


I'll stand pat for now. I'm in first still.

(But damn, I'm in need of steals...)

[achtungbaby]

Gibbons went down, so I'll have to hold up on the Bonds trades. I have a feeling he's gonna get hurt soon so maybe I am shooting myself in the foot.

However, I made too many ill advised trades last year (giving Gagne and Vidro for getting Griffey and Rivera) (Giambi and Blalock for Frank Thomas and Ichiro)

Giving Ichiro for Lowe...


I'll stand pat for now. I'm in first still.

(But damn, I'm in need of steals...)
*pours A1 sauce over Carl Crawford and dangles him in your face*

[BeTheReds]

*pours A1 sauce over Carl Crawford and dangles him in your face*

Well who do you want for him?

I know you need a closer and all, but I don't have one named Mariano Rivera which I can give you right now.

[achtungbaby]

Finally! I got a closer! I'm sending Edgar Renteria and Jose Valverde for Danny Graves and Ronnie Belliard. Hopefully Graves has enough gas in his arm for the 2nd half of the season...

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Finally! I got a closer! I'm sending Edgar Renteria and Jose Valverde for Danny Graves and Ronnie Belliard. Hopefully Graves has enough gas in his arm for the 2nd half of the season...

It's too late for regrets, Eugene...x_x

[BeTheReds]

It's too late for regrets, Eugene...x_x


What the hell hube? Your team is never gonna get out of the cellar now!

I gave you the best closer in the Majors thus far and you let him waste on your bench, and then your'e trading him for a Shortstop when you ALREADY have a decent shortstop.

Don't expect your saves to move up at all... You know why you got those extra 2 points the last few days? It's cuz I convinced you to start using Graves, and now you're trading him away.

[BeTheReds]

Finally! I got a closer! I'm sending Edgar Renteria and Jose Valverde for Danny Graves and Ronnie Belliard. Hopefully Graves has enough gas in his arm for the 2nd half of the season...

The trade is fair since you're giving up Renteria, but it hurts Hube's team cuz now he doesn't have a great closer at all.

[achtungbaby]

Don't expect your saves to move up at all... You know why you got those extra 2 points the last few days? It's cuz I convinced you to start using Graves, and now you're trading him away.
How did Graves' pitching help him move up two points? Two teams have fewer saves than his with three a piece; my team is ahead of his by about 11...so he would have had a ways to go anyway.

If anything, him getting Renteria will boost his:

1) Runs (he trails eagles 261 - 240)
2) RBI (he trails Dada by only 263 - 255)
3) SB (he trails Monkyays by only 2, 35 - 33)

Increasing his SB totals would further push him away from you, interestingly:) You trail him by 6.

Graves, the best closer in baseball? He's already blown four saves this year. How many has Gagne blown? How bout Mariano?:)

[BeTheReds]

How did Graves' pitching help him move up two points? Two teams have fewer saves than his with three a piece; my team is ahead of his by about 11...so he would have had a ways to go anyway.

If anything, him getting Renteria will boost his:

1) Runs (he trails eagles 261 - 240)
2) RBI (he trails Dada by only 263 - 255)
3) SB (he trails Monkyays by only 2, 35 - 33)

Increasing his SB totals would further push him away from you, interestingly:) You trail him by 6.

Graves, the best closer in baseball? He's already blown four saves this year. How many has Gagne blown? How bout Mariano?:)

Graves isn't too bad. No, he isn't the greatest closer in baseball, but he gets the most save chances and he's gotten the most saves.And when he blows his saves, he sometimes gets the win. Since we aren't talking about ability or fear he strikes into the opponent and we are talking about raw numbers, Graves was the best closer in baseball up till now, in terms of how many saves he has.

You're right about my lack of steals though.

[achtungbaby]

Since we aren't talking about ability or fear he strikes into the opponent and we are talking about raw numbers, Graves was the best closer in baseball up till now, in terms of how many saves he has.
Based purely on numbers though, I would argue that Benitez has been the best fantasy clsoer thus far. 20 saves, One blown save all year with an ERA of 0.30. Those are Gagne-type heroics.

But I wouldhave been happy with Jose Mesa too, but Master Blaster wouldn't pull the trigger.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Well since I'm fairly new to the fantasy baseball world (ok very new), I figure it's better to participate more than to just sit back and be afraid to do anything. I'd probably have more fun or get into it more this way anyway, and it's not like we're betting for money or nuthin.......................right? haha

[achtungbaby]

Just thought I'd post this regarding Mariano Rivera:)

Gotta get to Mo
Tom Verducci, SI.com (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBqdjIzNzFqBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwNl Y2w-?slug=gottagettomo&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns)

Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez called closer Mariano Rivera "the greatest weapon in modern baseball, the greatest I've ever seen or played against."

While the closer position has become more specialized as it evolves, there remains no one like Rivera, an efficient pitcher who can work often and does not need to be kept inside a glass case until the ninth inning. The fact that he can be deployed nearly every night in the eighth inning is a huge asset for the Yankees, and has been one of the major reasons why they have gone 16-4 in postseason series since 1996.

If that's not enough, Rivera is a humble, hardworking pitcher who is extremely popular in his clubhouse. His regal presence and professional attitude have made him a respected leader on a team full of stars. Rivera's value was spotlighted last weekend when he registered the 300th save of his career, joining San Diego's Trevor Hoffman (361), Oakland's Dennis Eckersley (320) and Kansas City's Jeff Montgomery (304) as the only closers to get 300 saves with one team.

"He's the best," shortstop Derek Jeter said. "I don't care how many saves [others] have. I think you have to put him at the top of the list."

Rivera is a no-doubt, first-ballot Hall of Famer, which may be odd when you consider that he became eligible for Cooperstown only this year. (A player must have appeared in a minimum of 10 seasons.) What Rivera has done in the postseason separates him from all other closers in the history of the game. No one is close to his postseason resume -- 7-1 with a 0.75 ERA in 96 innings, with one home run allowed and only 12 walks. Take a quick look at where Rivera ranks on some postseason lists (see chart, right).

This year the Yankees have what manager Joe Torre called "the best we've had here" as a setup man to Rivera: Tom Gordon, a former closer. Gordon has allowed Torre to stay away from using Rivera in the eighth inning in spots he might have called on him in the past. So with Rivera breaking bats and Gordon locking down the eighth inning, the Yankees should have no bullpen worries, right?

Wrong. New York is a good example of why closers are specialists who need a lot of help to be of maximum use. The Yankees' bullpen isn't nearly deep enough, which is why Paul Quantrill -- who seemed better suited to the National League -- Gordon and Rivera began the week first and tied for second, respectively, in games this year. The Yankees have lost faith in left-handers Gabe White and Felix Heredia, and with good reason. They might finally learn that not all lefties are left-handed specialists. (See: Chris Hammond, 2003.)

Neither White nor Heredia has good enough breaking stuff to get a tough left-handed batter out with any reliability. Torre is better off using Quantrill and Gordon in those spots, but then he risks overworking them. New York could make a trade for a left-hander, but stop and think about any decent such lefty who is available. No one. So where does the answer come from?

The Yankees are closely watching the rehab of perennially injured Steve Karsay, their $5 million-a-year walking medical chart. Karsay has hit 94 mph in extended spring training games and could be back with the big club by the end of the month. It's tempting for the Yankees to picture a strikeout tandem of Gordon and Karsay setting up Rivera, with Quantrill available to take care of the seventh, especially when a double-play grounder is in order. But counting on Karsay, because of his injury history, is risky. Even if he gets back, how often can he work and for how long? How sharp can he be after missing more than a year?

The Yankees' other option may be Jose Contreras, the $32 million mystery man. Contreras is strangely raw for a pitcher with so much international experience. Every baserunner against him, for instance, has the green light to steal because he is poor at holding runners and is slow to home plate. That especially becomes a liability in late relief. But Contreras does have strikeout stuff and, because of his strangely low pitching aptitude, may be better off facing hitters once rather than two or three times in a game.

In a perfect Yankees world, they would trade for a left-handed starter (Randy Johnson, Al Leiter, Eric Milton, Jamie Moyer or Ted Lilly) and put Contreras in the bullpen. Karsay's development in the next six weeks will go a long way in shaping the Yankees' midseason agenda. They do have a great weapon in Rivera, but they still need work in making sure they get to him.

Rating the Bullpens

The Yankees may have a sure Hall of Famer in Rivera, but their bullpen entered this week ranked 12th in ERA. Here's how I rank the top bullpens in baseball, based on how they've pitched the first two months of the season:

1. Boston The Red Sox pen began this week with the best ERA in baseball (2.72) and the fewest home runs allowed (eight). Keith Foulke has been lights out after a brutal spring training.

2. Los Angeles You just don't expect to beat the Dodgers' bullpen. Los Angeles' relievers have lost only two games all year, the fewest in baseball. This is a strikeout bullpen, headed by closer Eric Gagne, whose streak of consecutive saves is at 75 and counting. The worst knock on this pen is that it walks too many hitters, about four per nine innings.

3. Anaheim The Angels have the perfect profile for a bullpen: a strikeout group that doesn't yield many home runs. One AL GM, however, wondered how long manager Mike Scioscia would keep Troy Percival in the closer's spot when Frankie Rodriguez is obviously the better option. "When you have a guy who blows one out of every four saves, what good is that?" the GM said.

4. Philadelphia Thanks in great part to outstanding rookie Ryan Madson, the Phillies' bullpen has allowed the fewest baserunners per nine innings. Only Boston's relievers have a better ERA. Unlike last year, when he had no bullpen, Phillies manager Larry Bowa has no excuses this season if his team doesn't win the NL East.

5. Pittsburgh Yes, that's right, the Pirates have a solid bullpen, with Jose Mesa providing reliability as the closer. The Pirates rank third in bullpen ERA and get the most double-play balls. They've been hurt by 13 unearned runs, the most against any pen except the woeful Indians' unit.

[BeTheReds]

Yes, rivera is good. That's why I gave an overacheiver in Graves and Greg Maddux for him. The trade would have been perfectly fair if Hube had only used the players after he got them.

And actually, I think almost any closer in NY would be "The greatest closer ever." So Mariano is basically just lucky to be playing for a team that wins a lot, meaning he saves a lot.

[BeTheReds]

6/2

Anaheim vs Boston

Vlad Guererro goes 4-4 reaching base 5 times, scoring 2 times and 9 RBI!!!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=240602103

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/mlb/players/4/15/5737.jpg
Man, I hate you for passing on Baltimore, but MAN! I'm so glad you're on my fantasy team!

[cmar]

6/2

Anaheim vs Boston

Vlad Guererro goes 4-4 reaching base 5 times, scoring 2 times and 9 RBI!!!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=240602103

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/mlb/players/4/15/5737.jpg
Man, I hate you for passing on Baltimore, but MAN! I'm so glad you're on my fantasy team!

BTR - I was at that game last night!!! I was thinking of your rising stats when Vlad was smacking the ball around the park. It was an awesome game even though I was there rooting for the Red Sox.

I still can't believe you got Vlad in the middle of the second round of the draft.

[achtungbaby]

I still can't believe you got Vlad in the middle of the second round of the draft.
Hmm...which team owner was responsible for that fumble?:P

Sorry to twist the knife around Andy, especially since the guy you took over Vlad is on the DL...I feel your pain though, I have Maggs on almost every other team.

[BeTheReds]

Jeff Weaver for trade

Looking for decent RPs with SP eligibility.

[achtungbaby]

Jeff Weaver for trade

Looking for decent RPs with SP eligibility.
What can I get for Affeldt and Soriano? :biggrin:

[BeTheReds]

What can I get for Affeldt and Soriano? :biggrin:


Weaver and Kent...

Kent is actually having a better year than Soriano is this year...

I don't know if that means Soriano is going to seriously turn it on later this season or if it means he's having trouble adjusting to not being a yankee.

[achtungbaby]

Weaver and Kent...

Kent is actually having a better year than Soriano is this year...
I think closers are more valuable than starting pitchers (at least for me) and Affedlt's done pretty well since taking over. Kent is playing above his averages whereas Soriano is still getting settled. Once he does get hot, he's too much of an all around weapon.

[lethal]

Hmm...which team owner was responsible for that fumble?:P

Sorry to twist the knife around Andy, especially since the guy you took over Vlad is on the DL...I feel your pain though, I have Maggs on almost every other team.
In my defense, I wasn't the only guy who passed on Vlad.

Perhaps it would have worked out better if I took Pedro and Vlad 1-2 rather than Halladay-Ordonez, but injuries happen and they're unpredictable. After all, Vlad missed half of last year with back issues and Magglio has almost never missed time before this season.

[achtungbaby]

Maggs will be back soon. Hopefully Marcus Giles, too.

Ahh baseball! Anything to take the bad taste the Lakers left.

[BeTheReds]

Maggs will be back soon. Hopefully Marcus Giles, too.

Ahh baseball! Anything to take the bad taste the Lakers left.

Just when underachieving Jay Gibbons comes back...

My DL consists of Carlos Delgado, Vernon Wells, Bill Mueller, and Kevin Brown.

The injuries keep coming.

Mueller might get the axe.

[achtungbaby]

Just when underachieving Jay Gibbons comes back...

My DL consists of Carlos Delgado, Vernon Wells, Bill Mueller, and Kevin Brown.

The injuries keep coming.

Mueller might get the axe.
How long will you resist me! Ease your pain and send me a trade :wink:

[lethal]

I've still got lots and lots of SPs available if you want to give up some offense at any position.

Joe Mauer (C) is also available. He's hitting .300 with a 1.000 OPS since coming off the DL.

[achtungbaby]

I've still got lots and lots of SPs available if you want to give up some offense at any position.

Joe Mauer (C) is also available. He's hitting .300 with a 1.000 OPS since coming off the DL.
I take it Abreu's not available... :biggrin:

[lethal]

I take it Abreu's not available... :biggrin:
Not unless you're talking Thome :biggrin:

[BeTheReds]

How long will you resist me! Ease your pain and send me a trade :wink:


What can I get for Posada?

[achtungbaby]

Not unless you're talking Thome :biggrin:
I just might be :)

What can I get for Posada?
Posada would be a step backwards for me. He's hitting .184 in the last month.

[lethal]

I just might be :)


Well in that case...what are we talking here? Straight up or a multi-player deal? Let me look over your roster and see what we can do here.

[achtungbaby]

Well in that case...what are we talking here? Straight up or a multi-player deal? Let me look over your roster and see what we can do here.
Well...on second thought...I was hoping you had a better 1B....I think I'd be losing out regardless, going from Thome to Hatteberg, even with Abreau in the outfield...

Oops, nevermind that. I forgot I had Ken Harvey.

It's been a long day.

[BeTheReds]

I just might be :)


Posada would be a step backwards for me. He's hitting .184 in the last month.


How many other catchers take rest days as a DH and play for a team with 8 all stars in its starting 9? Posada is gonna get RBIs

[achtungbaby]

How many other catchers take rest days as a DH and play for a team with 8 all stars in its starting 9? Posada is gonna get RBIs
Depends on what you want in return for him.

[BeTheReds]

Beltran to Houston... Dotel to Oakland...

No more saves for Rhodes, and a closer spot for Brad Lidge... who consequently is owned by me. How wonderful.

[BeTheReds]

Dinky Twinkies is saying he's gonna dump his roster, so I think the commish should lock his roster up and not allow him to trade any longer.

[achtungbaby]

Beltran to Houston... Dotel to Oakland...

No more saves for Rhodes, and a closer spot for Brad Lidge... who consequently is owned by me. How wonderful.
You mean that Brad Lidge being the CL in Houston is a consequence of you owning him on your fantasy squad...?!? Holy shit! :biggrin:

Well you're gonna need him now that you don't have Mariano anymore.

Kudos to Houston and Oakland, especially to Oakland for wiggling in there to get Dotel. The A's would be winning a lot more games if they'd had him.

[cmar]

I have both Beltran and Dotel. I hope the change of teams is good for them. Beltran definitely should improve on his numbers in Houston with more runs and RBI chances, and a better ballpark to hit in. Dotel should be fine with plenty of save chances in Oakland.

Thank you BTR for locking Twinkies from dumping players. That is bad behavior in fantasy. Of course, the KC Royals are doing the same thing for real. Losers!!! I need a new favorite team. :-(

[lethal]

Dinky Twinkies is saying he's gonna dump his roster, so I think the commish should lock his roster up and not allow him to trade any longer.
I'll lock it.

[achtungbaby]

That is bad behavior in fantasy.
I concur old chap. Bad form I say, bad form!

Alfonso Soriano is officially available to interested parties. Hitters only please.

[fresh22]

Dinky Twinkies owner here. I really don't see how trading away players is bad behavior. Frankly it is hard to move up in the league, one day you might gain 4 points but lose all the gain the next day, so many teams just stay at their current positions for a long time. I don't think the last team place's owner is even active. Anyways, bash me all you want but like people have said in this thread, non-competitive teams in real life dump as well.

[achtungbaby]

Dinky Twinkies owner here. I really don't see how trading away players is bad behavior. Frankly it is hard to move up in the league, one day you might gain 4 points but lose all the gain the next day, so many teams just stay at their current positions for a long time. I don't think the last team place's owner is even active. Anyways, bash me all you want but like people have said in this thread, non-competitive teams in real life dump as well.
For one thing, how would we know your proposed fire sale would ever be equitable? Maybe you joined precisely to dump at midseason in order to give a specific owner an advantage...

I don't personally think those things but you have to realize that it is unfair if not disrespectful to the owners (like myself) who have put in the time and energy to stay afloat. "Hard to move up" you say? You're preachin' to the choir pal -- I've been perenially locked into the bottom half most of the season. The last thing I'd want is to give an owner ahead of me some advantage he or she didn't earn.

[BeTheReds]

Anyways, bash me all you want but like people have said in this thread, non-competitive teams in real life dump as well.


Usually when teams in real life have a fire sale, they trade their established stars (Beltran) for another teams' prospects (the prospects that Beltran was traded for).

They hope to stay competitive by giving up on the rest of the season this year, and hopefully when the prospects come around, they'll be able to field a competitive team.

Yahoo Fantasy League is for this season ONLY! So you dumping your players would give an unfair advantage to whoever picks them up.

[achtungbaby]

Yahoo Fantasy League is for this season ONLY!
That reminds me -- when are we going to form a keeper league? :biggrin:

[BeTheReds]

Thank you BTR for locking Twinkies from dumping players. That is bad behavior in fantasy. Of course, the KC Royals are doing the same thing for real. Losers!!! I need a new favorite team. :-(


I'm not the commisioner, so I did nothing.

I know it hurts that your Royals are having a fire sale now, but I feel your pain. The Orioles did the same under GM Syd Thrift and finished 2000 with a AAA level team after unloading Will Clark, Amando Benitez, Jose Mesa, DeLino DeShields, Mike Bordick, and B.J. Surhoff, to contenders. What we got back in return? Prospects who didn't pan out, a steady decline of the team smothered by the Albert Belle contract, which lead to the owner being reluctant to sign quality free agents or keep the ones we had that would still have helped us in a rebuilding era.

Instead for the next 2 seasons we fielded a team of rent a players who were supposed to buy us time until the prospects pan out.

[BeTheReds]

That reminds me -- when are we going to form a keeper league? :biggrin:


That would be awesome! However it would mean that Vlad Guererro and Barry Bonds would be mine for years and years! Yahoo doesn't do keeper leagues do they?

[fresh22]

Usually when teams in real life have a fire sale, they trade their established stars (Beltran) for another teams' prospects (the prospects that Beltran was traded for).

They hope to stay competitive by giving up on the rest of the season this year, and hopefully when the prospects come around, they'll be able to field a competitive team.

Yahoo Fantasy League is for this season ONLY! So you dumping your players would give an unfair advantage to whoever picks them up.

Um, isn't the real major leagues unfair too? Yankees get richer and richer.

Also, you forget the other side of the equation in superstar trades. Example: Astros trade for Randy Johnson at mid-season from the Mariners. They had no chance of signing him long term after season's end. Alot of teams in history have traded for superstars for the stretch run, so called "rental players." So teams are looking for the short term solution that puts them over the top. That is real life as well.

[lethal]

Um, isn't the real major leagues unfair too? Yankees get richer and richer.

Also, you forget the other side of the equation in superstar trades. Example: Astros trade for Randy Johnson at mid-season from the Mariners. They had no chance of signing him long term after season's end. Alot of teams in history have traded for superstars for the stretch run, so called "rental players." So teams are looking for the short term solution that puts them over the top. That is real life as well.
But you forgot that the Mariners got Freddie Garcia, Carlos Guillen, and 1 other guy in this deal. It paid off for them years down the line. 5 years later, they got 3 prospects from the White Sox for Garcia. This will also pay off for them years down the line.

If you trade away your top players, it doesn't pay off for you next year or the year after because its not a keeper league. There is no next year for this league and your team.

If this were a keeper league, I'd probably allow player dumps, but it isn't.

[BeTheReds]

Um, isn't the real major leagues unfair too? Yankees get richer and richer.

Also, you forget the other side of the equation in superstar trades. Example: Astros trade for Randy Johnson at mid-season from the Mariners. They had no chance of signing him long term after season's end. Alot of teams in history have traded for superstars for the stretch run, so called "rental players." So teams are looking for the short term solution that puts them over the top. That is real life as well.


How does it make your team more competitive to trade your best players for garbage?

[fresh22]

I am not trying to make my team competitive. I already concede that my team is staying at the bottom, so I would trade away my players for garbage because my team is at the bottom anyways. I dump because I said im not going to keep track of an uncompetitive team.

[BeTheReds]

I am not trying to make my team competitive. I already concede that my team is staying at the bottom, so I would trade away my players for garbage because my team is at the bottom anyways. I dump because I said im not going to keep track of an uncompetitive team.


Okay, so then how is it fair to everyone else if you give me all your best players for my scrubs? I'll have even more of a stranglehold on first than I do now.

[cmar]

I don’t think it is even debatable…..in Fantasy Sports it is simply wrong to dump all your players or trade them away in unbalanced deals. If you feel like quitting them simply stop playing. Lethal did the right thing in locking up fresh22’s team.

When I eventually topple BTR and take over first place, I want to know it was a fair fight.

[deez nuts]

if you're gonna go down; go down swinging

edit: wait...fresh22, i'll take over your team if it's not registered to your main e-mail account ;)

[BeTheReds]

My 20 point lead has slipped since I couldn't get online and rotate my pitching and move an uninjured Carlos Delgado to replace an injured Frank Thomas.

The injuries are piling up for me, and looks like this is gonna be a whole new game in the second half. Hopefully my guys will be good after they come back from the DL

[lethal]

I'm catching up fast, BTR...if I can get some more production out of my SPs...

[BeTheReds]

I was way ahead on innings anyway, and I'm still ahead. If you're ahead too, I don't know if that will make much of a difference.

I have a lot of ground to cover in the batting categories though.

[achtungbaby]

I was way ahead on innings anyway, and I'm still ahead. If you're ahead too, I don't know if that will make much of a difference.

I have a lot of ground to cover in the batting categories though.
Bonds, Worrell and Lidge are the reason you're in first right now. Bonds is jacking up your OPS and Worrell and Lidge have been holds monsters. Other than those and a decent ERA, you're above average.

Jesus...Dada's basically won the saves category. Team nearest to him is about 20 saves behind.

Mark Texeira's boosted Lethal in the HR's...getting a nice cushion...

Kerry Wood is finally back thank God. I basically haven't had him the entire season! Maybe now I can whittle down my league-worst ERA...

[lethal]

I don't have Teixeria.

You've got to be kidding with that trade proposal, AB.

[achtungbaby]

You've got to be kidding with that trade proposal, AB.
Come on damnit. It's my birthday. I shouldn't even be offering Thome!

[achtungbaby]

Don't look now but Lethal will probably be in first place after this weekend...!

That's quite a beast you have there Lethal (your team that is). And Maggs isn't even healthy yet!

Looking over my roster...a decent cast of hitters but only so-so pitching, and that sucks because I specifically drafted for pitching this year. That vaunted cast of Curt Schilling, Josh Beckett, Javier Vazquez, Brandon Webb and Freddy Garcia...? Ehh. Traded Schilling and got no production from Wood; Beckett's been on the DL for most of the year; who knows what happened to the young Brandon Webb; and Garcia, like Vazquez, have played pretty well. No dominators here.

But hey! Could be worse. I almost gave up Soriano for chump change, so I should try and remember patience.

[achtungbaby]

What'd I tell ya! Lethal's in first:(

[BeTheReds]

Noo!!!!


Well, hopefully my guys will be back soon.

[lethal]

I've got 6(!!!!!!) guys on the DL. SIX!

[achtungbaby]

I've got 6(!!!!!!) guys on the DL. SIX!
Bah! You're still in second. The guys you have on the DL for the most part weren't contributing for you lately anyway.

Maggs has been killing me all season in other leagues. I've already dropped him from three teams.

[cmar]

Dada has finally scored in triple digits....3rd place with 100 points. I am the sleeper team that's finally awakened...Ichiro, Beltran, Pierre, Tejada are all on fire!!! My guys are finally making our move to the top.

[achtungbaby]

*shakes fist at cmar*

[BeTheReds]

Yall are lucky that I can't make it to a computer everyday since I am on summer vacation to rotate batters in and out on off days and minor injuries.

[lethal]

Its down to a 3 team race between me, BTR, and cmar. Standings change every day.

[cmar]

With BTR's powerful team being on top for so long, I feel a little like the Red Sox trying to catch the Yankees. And Lethal is sneaking up from behind. It's going to be a close finish.

[BeTheReds]

Since Yahoo has been blocked at work, I won't be able to make everyday changes to my roster at this critical point. Good luck to you all.

If I lose after being ahead for nearly the whole season, I'll be pissed.


Now that the season is almost over lets list our bests and worsts.


Best Draft pick: Vlad Guererro in the 2nd round after taking Barry Bonds in the 1st round
Worst Draft pick still on my roster: Jay Gibbons (RF - Bal)
Best Waiver pickup: David Newhan (3B/OF - Bal)
Best Trade: Giving Danny Graves and Greg Maddux to get Mariano Rivera in return
Worst Trade: Giving Hideki Matsui and Brad Fullmer to get Vernon Wells in return

[cmar]

My Dada best/worst list:

Best Draft Pick: Ichiro in 3rd round
Best Late Draft Pick: Adam Dunn in 16th round
Worst Draft Pick: (tie) Angel Berroa in 12th round / Juan Gonzalez in 13th round
Best Waiver Pick Up: Johan Santana

I didn't make any trades in the season.

[lethal]

Best pick - Bobby Abreu in Rd 4
Best late draft picks - Miguel Cabrera in Rd 25. Joe Nathan in Rd 19.
Worst release - Paul Kornerko
Worst pick - Halladay(1), Zito (5)
Best waiver pickup - Can't think of one
Memorable trade - Choi and K. Matsui for Jeter and Drew

[BeTheReds]

I AM THE CHAMPION, MY FRIENDS!

121 pts is not bad! And think, if I hadn't made a few boneheaded trades, my score would be higher! I kicked ass! woohoo!

I win! I win! I win!! I win!



[/gloat]

What exactly do I win?

[lethal]

Congrats, BTR!

You win the Washington Expos.

[BeTheReds]

Congrats, BTR!

You win the Washington Expos.

Yaay! Good thing I am not a DC resident having to pay for the raw deal they made with MLB.

[cmar]

Congrats BTR - I did my best to try to catch you in the last couple of weeks, but couldn't do it. I am happy finishing second in a tough league like this one.