joining beauty pageants

[kasia]

your take?

[angel nympho]

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself... then I'm all for it. But I would never do it because I don't need somebody TELLING me what constitutes as beautiful.

[kasia]

say if, you want to get into acting...

i'm beginning to think that most women join those pageants only as a stepping stone to acting, modeling, etc.

[artsfartsyjanet]

A couple friends of mine have won state pageants during their high school years. One of them is in med school and the other one is already a resident physician. So, I don't have a problem with it as long as people know whether they win or not...they're still beautiful people inside and out.

[Ayers]

Originally posted by artsfartsyjanet@Aug 26 2002, 04:12 PM
A couple friends of mine have won state pageants during their high school years. One of them is in med school and the other one is already a resident physician.
I've heard that in someplaces the beauty pageants CAN and DO get out of control. Hair pulling, sabotage, etc. is supposedly commonplace. On the other hand, my sister was in a teen pageant and had no problems.

And my friend's sister won Miss California and 2nd runner-up Miss America a few years ago. She's a talented, intelligent, beautiful Chinese-American who is now in medical school in SF (she deferred a year to take care of her Miss California duties). I think she just did it for fun, but good for her for earning some scholarship money and putting asians in the spotlight.

[artsfartsyjanet]

I haven't heard of anyone I know who's every sabotaged someone else in a pageant, but I'm sure it happens.

[LIBRAGAL1011]

Originally posted by artsfartsyjanet@Aug 26 2002, 08:12 PM
A couple friends of mine have won state pageants during their high school years.  One of them is in med school and the other one is already a resident physician.  So, I don't have a problem with it as long as people know whether they win or not...they're still beautiful people inside and out.
What she said..... :P

[Faithless]

Not in my household. They seem to develop the wrong mind-set. :gross:

[coagulated fat]

Originally posted by ChottoMatte@Jun 27 2003, 04:33 PM
Not in my household. They seem to develop the wrong mind-set. :gross:
Yeah, they kind of scare me. It seems like they're really trying to pick the best all-around woman with the interviews and everything, so the emphasis on beauty is disturbing to me. They're exemplary of the way our society judges the value of women: swimsuit contests, nice idealistic answers to interview questions, humanitarian career goals.

Certain pageants like the Miss America one also try to keep up the image of the virginal 20something woman by barring women who have had a child or have been divorced. You can imagine what kind of effect this stress on virginity has in the sexual double standard.

[Faithless]

Originally posted by coagulated fat@Jun 29 2003, 07:13 PM
Yeah, they kind of scare me. It seems like they're really trying to pick the best all-around woman with the interviews and everything, so the emphasis on beauty is disturbing to me. They're exemplary of the way our society judges the value of women: swimsuit contests, nice idealistic answers to interview questions, humanitarian career goals.

Certain pageants like the Miss America one also try to keep up the image of the virginal 20something woman by barring women who have had a child or have been divorced. You can imagine what kind of effect this stress on virginity has in the sexual double standard.
Hm. So you can be quietly, hella-permiscuous, but if you've had a child your toast? :confused:

Sounds like they need a beauty pageant for mommies. B)

[moschikat]

Originally posted by ChottoMatte@Jun 30 2003, 02:11 PM
Sounds like they need a beauty pageant for mommies. B)
They've got a Mrs. Hawaii contest where contestants must be married and are accepted even if they've already had children. :)

[Faithless]

Originally posted by moschikat@Jun 30 2003, 08:50 PM
They've got a Mrs. Hawaii contest where contestants must be married and are accepted even if they've already had children. :)
Cool. And an evening moo moo display as well? :rolleyes:

[Emperor_Mike]

They ought to incorporate a short Mensa test of four questions in every pageant. *Then* we'll see who is more deserving: The participant with all looks and no brains or the one who has ample reserves of both. :D

[pinkskyes]

beauty standards need to change before anyone can claim beauty pageants as a good thing

[teaz0r]

i like watching them.

[coagulated fat]

Originally posted by teaz0r@Jul 1 2003, 11:54 AM
i like watching them.
Heh, me too. I don't condone them but I watch em... that probably makes me a hypocrite, but meh. I like seeing the evening dresses and the "talent" portion that inevitably includes an overdramatized performance of an easy-to-play piano song.

[Fireblade]

I wanna watch a death-match between these ladies. It'd be so much more interest. Just throw them in the ring, and the victor is the winner. Kinda like celebrity deathmatch. :lol:

[Faithless]

Originally posted by Fireblade@Jul 1 2003, 03:19 PM
I wanna watch a death-match between these ladies. It'd be so much more interest. Just throw them in the ring, and the victor is the winner. Kinda like celebrity deathmatch. :lol:
Ah hem. Bikini's and mud wrestling. Much more civilzed.

[kasia]

shall we get rid of them?

[hapakristina]

i don't mind them so much, but considering my roommate my freshman year here at pepperdine was miss new mexico 1999 and was in the pageant and i've been around several other girls that were "miss _____" back home.. it gets played out. i've only seen one girl who was actually genuinely nice and sweet. all the other girls have been HORRIBLE. this one girl who i didn't think was all that attractive or pageant material anyhow.. was sitting there bashing every single girl that i had said was pretty. "oh, but look at all that makeup. she's ugly in person." .... "oh, but she's a bit flabby." i'm like, WTF!? who done died and made you a judge. you're a participant. worry about how you come off, not sitting there judging others. and it's that kind of critical, shallow, materialistic, and shady personality that i don't like about many girls that do pageants.

i like watching them, but like someone had said.. whatever floats your boat. i wouldn't put myself in one nor would i ever put my daughter in one. i think sometimes little girls that are entered in pageants end up becoming so focused on their appearance and impressing people that they really lose the value of their childhood and the fun it's supposed to be, on top of the learning aspect of other areas of importance. i wouldn't want to put my daughter through that.

[kimpossible]

Real women need not compete anymore! We have Miss Digital World; the most perfect women rendered by men. Considering the rise of Lara Croft and the DOA beach volleyball gals as sex symbols it looks like the flesh and blood is going to give way to the pixelated.

[kasia]

beauty standards need to change before anyone can claim beauty pageants as a good thing


okay, assuming they do (and let's discuss how they should change) - would that legitimize beauty pageants?

[mr. x]

oh god, my senior graduation was like a beauty pageant, not so much from an aesthetic point of view but the whole phonyness.

[kasia]

oh god, my senior graduation was like a beauty pageant, not so much from an aesthetic point of view but the whole phonyness.

what, from your observations, have led you to believe that pageants - or individuals who participate therein, are phony? (this is just a question)

[nonamerasian]

I don't care about pageants.

[kasia]

did you ever notice that the miss america pageant has only college students or graduates and the miss usa pageant only has models and aspiring actresses that don't have much of an education? (or it could be the other way around.)

for the miss chinatown pageants, they're all college students or graduates. for miss hong kong, it's a mixture - but i think more and more have degrees.

anyone know anything about miss cherry blossom or miss korea or the other ones? it seems that miss cherry blossom's are usually chosen based on the community involvement & they're typically not attractive. miss nikkei's, on the other hand, are much more attractive. right?

[lena99]

I remember my aunt trying to convince me to join a beauty pageant because she felt it would improve my self-esteem. Apparently, it claims to improve your posture and style so that you are more able to face the career world with confidence.

[Hiroshi2]

i don't mind them so much, but considering my roommate my freshman year here at pepperdine was miss new mexico 1999 and was in the pageant and i've been around several other girls that were "miss _____" back home.. it gets played out. i've only seen one girl who was actually genuinely nice and sweet. all the other girls have been HORRIBLE. this one girl who i didn't think was all that attractive or pageant material anyhow.. was sitting there bashing every single girl that i had said was pretty. "oh, but look at all that makeup. she's ugly in person." .... "oh, but she's a bit flabby." i'm like, WTF!? who done died and made you a judge. you're a participant. worry about how you come off, not sitting there judging others. and it's that kind of critical, shallow, materialistic, and shady personality that i don't like about many girls that do pageants.

i like watching them, but like someone had said.. whatever floats your boat. i wouldn't put myself in one nor would i ever put my daughter in one. i think sometimes little girls that are entered in pageants end up becoming so focused on their appearance and impressing people that they really lose the value of their childhood and the fun it's supposed to be, on top of the learning aspect of other areas of importance. i wouldn't want to put my daughter through that.




Roses really smell like boo-boo..........................



Though I have to say I have met a few girls who had both physical and inner beauty. It's great.