Chinese Food Delivery Man Killed in Brooklyn by Two Teenagers

[achtungbaby]

On Wednesday, Oct 16, Jian Lin-Chun, a Chinese food delivery man, from Brooklyn was killed in a premeditated ambush by two teenagers. [details (http://yellowworld.org/?m=show&id=20)]

[Andrew]

I'm inclined to say, don't feed the clowns. There's no such thing as bad publicity in the morning talk show business. Just add this to the list of outrages that we need to keep handy for the next ignoramus who thinks there's no such thing as anti-Asian racism in this country. (And remember that the station's listeners are just as culpable as the shock jocks themselves, for making it economically rational for the station to keep them on the air.)

[Reinhard H.]

I also heard of a case a couple of years ago, when a couple of teenagers in the hood ordered Chinese food and then beat the Chinese delivery man to death. The shocking thing was that they didn't even steal his money, but just killed him for the fun of it, later on they told the police that they chose a Chinese guy, because "they never fight back".

[amietron]

spencer actually e-mailed me this story. it was pretty shocking cus i don't hear about chinese delivery guys being killed every day. it's scary what people will do for food + money. =(

the delivery man was saving money to bring over his family waiting for him in china.

[DaBestSpooner]

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!

I listen to Star and Buc every fucking morning also while I get ready for work. They keep it on the real, they dont side with the majority of their peers and keep their feelings about anything public.

Everytime there was ever a Black on Asian crime in the local news, they always went off on the criminals, usually calling them "ghetto savages"

These muthafuckers tell it like it is, no bullshiting and have no qualms telling black activists like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson to kiss their muther fucking asses nor do they fear being ostracized by the majority of the black community.

who wrote this shit??!?! Jeff Park???

[loserbutt]

talk radio is just junk. don't pay attention to those fucks

[ren28]

I don't understand. So did they or did they not make derogatory statements about the Chinese delivery man that got killed?

[kasia]

csb & dbs: thanks for showing us both sides...

[angel nympho]

I don't get it either. Did they make comments? Did they not? So confused!!! If they didn't, then why did the article say they did?!? I'm so lost.... :cry:

[kasia]

Originally posted by Reinhard H.@Oct 19 2002, 01:11 PM
I also heard of a case a couple of years ago, when a couple of teenagers in the hood ordered Chinese food and then beat the Chinese delivery man to death. The shocking thing was that they didn't even steal his money, but just killed him for the fun of it, later on they told the police that they chose a Chinese guy, because "they never fight back".
I remember hearing about that as well. Would you classify *that* as a hate crime?

[Andrew]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 20 2002, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Reinhard H.@Oct 19 2002, 01:11 PM
I also heard of a case a couple of years ago, when a couple of teenagers in the hood ordered Chinese food and then beat the Chinese delivery man to death. The shocking thing was that they didn't even steal his money, but just killed him for the fun of it, later on they told the police that they chose a Chinese guy, because "they never fight back".
I remember hearing about that as well. Would you classify *that* as a hate crime?
From the discussion we've been having on the NC State murder topic (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=2806), others might object that they didn't explicitly say they hated Chinese people, and still others (e.g., those who call what happened to Lili Wang a "love crime") might say that we should characterize the crime from the subjective perspective of the killers; i.e., as a "fun crime."

Call me crazy, but I think it's reasonable to classify this is a hate crime.



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[Green_Circle]

What weirdness. In one case a guy was killed because he wouldn't relinquish his package but rather fought back. In the other case the deliverer was preyed upon because of the perceived notion that we won't fight back? We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
:angry:

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by kasia@Oct 20 2002, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Reinhard H.@Oct 19 2002, 01:11 PM
I also heard of a case a couple of years ago, when a couple of teenagers in the hood ordered Chinese food and then beat the Chinese delivery man to death. The shocking thing was that they didn't even steal his money, but just killed him for the fun of it, later on they told the police that they chose a Chinese guy, because "they never fight back".
I remember hearing about that as well. Would you classify *that* as a hate crime?
Probably. The guys explicitly said that they targeted Chinese guys, didn't they? I don't know.

[ren28]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 20 2002, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by kasia@Oct 20 2002, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Reinhard H.@Oct 19 2002, 01:11 PM
I also heard of a case a couple of years ago, when a couple of teenagers in the hood ordered Chinese food and then beat the Chinese delivery man to death. The shocking thing was that they didn't even steal his money, but just killed him for the fun of it, later on they told the police that they chose a Chinese guy, because "they never fight back".
I remember hearing about that as well. Would you classify *that* as a hate crime?
From the discussion we've been having on the NC State murder topic (http://forums.yellowworld.org/index.php?act=ST&f=36&t=2806), others might object that they didn't explicitly say they hated Chinese people, and still others (e.g., those who call what happened to Lili Wang a "love crime") might say that we should characterize the crime from the subjective perspective of the killers; i.e., as a "fun crime."

Call me crazy, but I think it's reasonable to classify this is a hate crime.
You are obviously trying to invite a flame war by making the assumption that I must hear a racial remark before calling it a hate crime. What purpose does putting words in my mouth serve for the Asian community or for YW? None. Since I never made the comment that yelling racial remarks are required, it ONCE AGAIN serves the purpose to paint yourself as the "good-guy" by having me identify with or be taking the perspective of the killer. And/or it serves to boost your already over-inflated ego which has already been commented on by posters other than myself in another forum.

I'm not commenting about a hate crime in this situation here since it can only lead to a flame war which you are clearly welcoming.

"...others might object that they didn't explicitly say they hated Chinese people..."

Saying "others" and "might" does little to cover your obvious flame bait. If I said "others might have an over-inflated ego," people would know who I was talking about. I think your ideas are great but your attitude and approach to anyone that does not agree with your conclusion sucks. There can be more harm than good in your posts.

[blkazngirl]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 19 2002, 01:05 PM
I'm inclined to say, don't feed the clowns. There's no such thing as bad publicity in the morning talk show business. Just add this to the list of outrages that we need to keep handy for the next ignoramus who thinks there's no such thing as anti-Asian racism in this country. (And remember that the station's listeners are just as culpable as the shock jocks themselves, for making it economically rational for the station to keep them on the air.)
Ok, I'm going through on this one. I have to agree, don't feed them. It really (pardon my language here) piss me the fuck off when they start killing the delivery people.

These are the same people that complain because no restautrant will deliver in their neighborhood. It's always a handful of jackasses that make a situation bad for everyone.

I'm sure the guy wasn't about to put up a fight over some money. But to turn around and kill the guy too! I have no mercy for them regardless of color. He was somebodies, son, husband, father. Senseless, just senseless. :pissed:

[Andrew]

Originally posted by ren28@Oct 21 2002, 12:19 AM
You are obviously trying to invite a flame war by making the assumption that I must hear a racial remark before calling it a hate crime. What purpose does putting words in my mouth serve for the Asian community or for YW? None.
OK, I'll let your words speak for themselves:

"I say there is not enough evidence that this is a hate crime. Did anyone witness Anderson screaming racial or sexually hateful comments towards her or are you just guessing what he was thinking?"

[ren28]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 22 2002, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by ren28@Oct 21 2002, 12:19 AM
You are obviously trying to invite a flame war by making the assumption that I must hear a racial remark before calling it a hate crime. &nbsp;What purpose does putting words in my mouth serve for the Asian community or for YW? &nbsp;None.
OK, I'll let your words speak for themselves:

"I say there is not enough evidence that this is a hate crime. Did anyone witness Anderson screaming racial or sexually hateful comments towards her or are you just guessing what he was thinking?"
Again, did I say racial comments were the ONLY things required for a hate crime? No. Don't take postings out of context to suit your personal goal of repairing your ego in another thread. It's really obvious what you are doing. You've already proven yourself to be a person that uses personal attacks and belittlement to further your personal agenda. You brought me into this forum to further your own agenda at my expense but it has not worked, has it?

I never said it is not a hate crime because no racial remarks were made. You should ask yourself once again if you are helping to forward the goals of YW or Asians by these ego-boosting measures. If not, I suggest you stop creating tension between other members that do not agree with you with your proven ego-trips and no-so-subtle personal jabs.

That's all I have to say here. I made no comment that racial remarks MUST be yelled in order for a crime to be qualified as hate crime. Now stop wasting my time and other peoples' time with this flame bait.

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[Andrew]

Originally posted by ren28@Oct 22 2002, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 22 2002, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by ren28@Oct 21 2002, 12:19 AM
You are obviously trying to invite a flame war by making the assumption that I must hear a racial remark before calling it a hate crime. What purpose does putting words in my mouth serve for the Asian community or for YW? None.
OK, I'll let your words speak for themselves:

"I say there is not enough evidence that this is a hate crime. Did anyone witness Anderson screaming racial or sexually hateful comments towards her or are you just guessing what he was thinking?"
Again, did I say racial comments were the ONLY things required for a hate crime? No. Don't take postings out of context to suit your personal goal of repairing your ego in another thread. It's really obvious what you are doing. You've already proven yourself to be a person that uses personal attacks and belittlement to further your personal agenda. You brought me into this forum to further your own agenda at my expense but it has not worked, has it?

I never said it is not a hate crime because no racial remarks were made. You should ask yourself once again if you are helping to forward the goals of YW or Asians by these ego-boosting measures. If not, I suggest you stop creating tension between other members that do not agree with you with your proven ego-trips and no-so-subtle personal jabs.

That's all I have to say here. I made no comment that racial remarks MUST be yelled in order for a crime to be qualified as hate crime. Now stop wasting my time and other peoples' time with this flame bait.

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How did I take your words out of context? They speak for themselves.

[ren28]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 22 2002, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by ren28@Oct 22 2002, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 22 2002, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by ren28@Oct 21 2002, 12:19 AM
You are obviously trying to invite a flame war by making the assumption that I must hear a racial remark before calling it a hate crime. &nbsp;What purpose does putting words in my mouth serve for the Asian community or for YW? &nbsp;None.
OK, I'll let your words speak for themselves:

"I say there is not enough evidence that this is a hate crime. Did anyone witness Anderson screaming racial or sexually hateful comments towards her or are you just guessing what he was thinking?"
Again, did I say racial comments were the ONLY things required for a hate crime? No. Don't take postings out of context to suit your personal goal of repairing your ego in another thread. It's really obvious what you are doing. You've already proven yourself to be a person that uses personal attacks and belittlement to further your personal agenda. You brought me into this forum to further your own agenda at my expense but it has not worked, has it?

I never said it is not a hate crime because no racial remarks were made. You should ask yourself once again if you are helping to forward the goals of YW or Asians by these ego-boosting measures. If not, I suggest you stop creating tension between other members that do not agree with you with your proven ego-trips and no-so-subtle personal jabs.

That's all I have to say here. I made no comment that racial remarks MUST be yelled in order for a crime to be qualified as hate crime. Now stop wasting my time and other peoples' time with this flame bait.

http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/images/smilies/saythat.gif
How did I take your words out of context? They speak for themselves.
If you have a nice built in defense mechanism to not understand when it was explained plain as day, that's great. But, ignorance is not a defense as you well know.

If you have a defense mechanism that makes you "overlook" things that make you look wrong, here it is again:

I made no comment that racial remarks MUST be yelled in order for a crime to be qualified as hate crime.

[Andrew]

Originally posted by ren28@Oct 22 2002, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 22 2002, 01:36 AM

OK, I'll let your words speak for themselves:

"I say there is not enough evidence that this is a hate crime. Did anyone witness Anderson screaming racial or sexually hateful comments towards her or are you just guessing what he was thinking?"

I made no comment that racial remarks MUST be yelled in order for a crime to be qualified as hate crime.
Your words speak for themselves.

We've said enough. Let's see what other people think.

[ren28]

Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 22 2002, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by ren28@Oct 22 2002, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Andrew@Oct 22 2002, 01:36 AM

OK, I'll let your words speak for themselves:

"I say there is not enough evidence that this is a hate crime. Did anyone witness Anderson screaming racial or sexually hateful comments towards her or are you just guessing what he was thinking?"

I made no comment that racial remarks MUST be yelled in order for a crime to be qualified as hate crime.
Your words speak for themselves.

We've said enough. Let's see what other people think.
Yes my words do speak for themselves. Yelling racial remarks is obviously part of a SET of factors which can point to a hate crime. It is not the ONLY factor and your attempt to make it sound like I'm saying it's the ONLY factor to suit your own goals is hilarious!

[Andrew]

By the way, have there been any reports as to whether this is getting investigated as a hate crime? Maybe we should be following up on this with the NYPD.

[DaBestSpooner]

my last 2 cents:

If any of you have ever driven, walked by, even went through a subway stop in the following areas:

Harlem
Spanish Harlem
East New York
Flatbush
Brownsville
Bed-Stuy
Jamaica
South Bronx
Washington Heights
Queensbridge

you'd know it was a hate crime.

chasiu did I leave out any other places in the 5 boros where chinamen are not welcome?

Name any other places where delivery men pack heat and the takeout is served from behind a bulletproof glass counter, and you pay through a trap door.

[Uncle Tat]

This is pretty upsetting news. I know 2 people that died in a similiar manner. Of course neither of them made it on the news or newspaper.

[blkazngirl]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Oct 22 2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by DaBestSpooner@Oct 21 2002, 10:45 PM
my last 2 cents:

If any of you have ever driven, walked by, even went through a subway stop in the following areas:

Harlem
Spanish Harlem
East New York
Flatbush
Brownsville
Bed-Stuy
Jamaica
South Bronx
Washington Heights
Queensbridge

you'd know it was a hate crime.

chasiu did I leave out any other places in the 5 boros where chinamen are not welcome? &nbsp;

Name any other places where delivery men pack heat and the takeout is served from behind a bulletproof glass counter, and you pay through a trap door.
No my man, you basically covered it all.

Like I said you don't fuck with the brothers in Brownsville, they crazy. If you getting jacked, give it up or you gonna get jigged.

As for a hate crime, yes most definitely. Is it being investigated as a hate crime last I check they're looking into it. Mainly, sensitivity issues because it's already tense over in those areas Spooner mentioned.
It's sad, really sad. Yet they want someone to deliver the food. Let them get it themselves.

[achtungbaby]

Two teenagers were charged with murder yesterday for placing a bogus food order to lure a Chinese-food deliveryman to his death in Brooklyn — all for $12 and some chicken, police said. As cops announced the arrests of a 19-year-old woman and a 16-year-old boy, detectives were searching for the gunman who shot Jian Chun Lin, 36, during the bungled robbery Tuesday. [details (http://yellowworld.org/?m=show&id=19)]