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boredlikewah
02-01-2004, 09:13 AM
Free speech gone too far?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/31/MNGTG4MBG31.DTL

SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE

Tim Bueler, like many cocksure 17-year-olds, is strident in expressing his political beliefs.

And to him, the Republican Party leans too far to the left.

That was the spark that launched his Conservative Club at Rancho Cotate High School in the Sonoma County town of Rohnert Park and ignited two months of rhetorical ugliness on campus. It also put him on the conservative talk show circuit, including an appearance Thursday on Fox television's "The O'Reilly Factor."

It all started on Dec. 3, when Bueler posted a flyer announcing a new "Conservative Hot Line" for the 1,800 students at his high school. It encouraged students to call the hot line to report "un-American comments expressed by your liberal teachers."

"Let's take a stand against the liberal traitors who call themselves teachers," the flyer urged.

Two days later, an anonymous teacher drafted a response proposing a "Liberal Hot Line," which parodied the tone of Bueler's missive.

"Let's take a stand against the neo-conservative wing-nuts who call themselves Americans," the flyer declared.

Things could have stopped there, but backing off, apparently, isn't in Bueler's nature. So, a week later, he fired off another newsletter.

"Liberals," it pronounced, "welcome every Muhammad, Jamul and Jose who wishes to leave his Third World state and come to America -- mostly illegally -- to rip off our health care system, balkanize our language and destroy our political system."

That did it.

Latino students were furious, and 40 school employees and teachers, including Principal Mitchell Carter, signed a letter protesting the inflammatory rhetoric. Bueler claimed he was threatened, called "Nazi" and other epithets, even by teachers, who he said refused to protect him from angry mobs of classmates. He soon was being escorted to and from class by school security officers.

After Bueler's anti-immigrant newsletter came out, school staff suggested to him that he stay home for a few days as "a cooling-off period," according to a fact sheet provided by the district.

For his part, Carter, the principal, isn't responding to questions and is referring calls to district Superintendent Michael Watenpaugh, who has criticized Bueler for distributing inflammatory material without first getting permission from a student adviser, as is school policy.

District officials have acknowledged, however, that the school faculty and the principal made some "missteps" that may have helped inflame matters.

Watenpaugh said Carter and others officials were wrong for suggesting the "cooling-off period."

The situation has remained volatile.

For example, 15 police officers swarmed onto campus to quell disturbances following the Conservative Club's Jan. 16 meeting.

Nonetheless, the school has not silenced Bueler, who started the club -- which now claims 50 members -- last fall.

And the lanky junior appears to be enjoying, if not reveling in, his role at the center of an ideological free-for-all. He has become a hot commodity on conservative talk radio shows, where he has not been shy about expressing his support for God, guns and country and his contempt for liberals. Several nationally syndicated television shows have called for interviews, including, he says, "Good Morning America." School officials have gotten thousands of e- mails from people across the country who, they say, were whipped up into a righteous frenzy by a stream of rhetoric.

A good deal of the verbal pyrotechnics have come from Bueler's hero, ultra-conservative radio personality Michael Savage, as well as Internet pundits and the right-leaning Washington Times.

They paint Bueler as a patriotic hero who stood up to howling liberal hypocrites trying to stifle his voice and trod upon the traditional American values he was bravely trying to uphold.

"Remember the movie 'Rebel Without a Cause'?" asked Savage, the radio host whose book, "Savage Nation," Bueler borrowed liberally from in outlining his club's philosophy. "This kid represents rebels with a cause. He represents the new counterculture."

All of which is a bunch of ideological baloney swathed in righteous propaganda, according to Mark Alton, the Rancho Cotate athletic director and science teacher who co-wrote the faculty letter protesting Bueler's comments.

"Certain outside conservative groups are using this to further their own political agenda, which is to attack the public education system," Alton said.

The real issue, he said, is not free speech but how to maintain peace on a school campus by having rational discourse.

"Those statements about illegal immigration and students of color and his attack on liberal teachers as traitors offend people, and many of us think they are inappropriate," Alton said. "He has a right to his opinions, and nobody wants to deny him his rights, but there are certain things that are inappropriate on a school campus. When hateful, intolerant discourse is being used, it is our responsibility to respond."

The fact that Bueler cannot walk around campus without an escort isn't something the First Amendment can do anything about, said UC Berkeley constitutional law Professor Jesse Choper. What's significant, he said, is that the school district provided that security.

"This school district chose to honor his free speech and sought to protect him from threats. That's commendable," Choper said. "It is not totally clear that (Bueler) had an enforceable constitutional right to go as far as he did, such as calling the teachers names like that. By no means am I saying that they could have stopped him, but they responded in a responsible fashion. ''

For his part, Bueler seems comfortable in the magnifying glare of the media spotlight. He sat at home recently contemplating interview requests from at least four national television talk shows and a scheduled appearance Feb. 7 as the featured speaker at the conservative Eagle Forum's annual convention.

" 'Good Morning America' is a little shaky,'' he scoffed, referring to efforts by producers to get him on the prestigious show. "They're real liberal.

TB4000
02-01-2004, 09:30 AM
Hmm...somebody sure grew up watching the fox news channel like the rest of us watched sesame street, didn't they? Freedom of speech is fine, just be prepared for others who disagree with you to voice their opinions about what YOU'RE doing as well. He knew what he was getting into by subtly calling out certain people.

kitty
02-01-2004, 10:20 AM
Is anyone else reminded of Ferris Bueler's day off? I just can't take this guy seriously when lines from that movie keep running through my head.

boredlikewah
02-01-2004, 10:30 AM
Hmm...somebody sure grew up watching the fox news channel like the rest of us watched sesame street, didn't they? Freedom of speech is fine, just be prepared for others who disagree with you to voice their opinions about what YOU'RE doing as well. He knew what he was getting into by subtly calling out certain people.

The thing that I most object to this guy is that he's attacking teachers in a public school. This type of thing could easily insight violence and they know this considering that they're providing him with security. Doesn't this call for a "clear and present danger"? I don't mind that he's speaking his mind. I understand that people are going to disagree with me and I'm willing to debate any of my views with any who oppose, but to bring this to a public school where people are just trying to learn is wrong. Fine, speak your mind. Fine, create you're club. But don't attack people, especially people who are there to help you.

TB4000
02-01-2004, 10:31 AM
The thing that I most object to this guy is that he's attacking teachers in a public school. This type of thing could easily insight violence and they know this considering that they're providing him with security. Doesn't this call for a "clear and present danger"? I don't mind that he's speaking his mind. I understand that people are going to disagree with me and I'm willing to debate any of my views with any who oppose, but to bring this to a public school where people are just trying to learn is wrong. Fine, speak your mind. Fine, create you're club. But don't attack people, especially people who are there to help you.
Exactly. If the roles were reversed and the kid was of the liberal persuasion attacking teachers that were all about the war, they'd have him strung up in no time.

kitty
02-01-2004, 10:34 AM
this kind of stuff happens on college campuses nationwide. I mean, seriously... one of the college conservatives' main talking points it the left-leaningness of the professors.

Tao
02-01-2004, 11:20 AM
this kind of stuff happens on college campuses nationwide. I mean, seriously... one of the college conservatives' main talking points it the left-leaningness of the professors.
i find it funny how conservatives try to "educate" professors, and enlighten them of the wrong opinions they have formed while obtaining that phd.

Chester
02-01-2004, 11:34 AM
I was a flaming conservative in high school. Perhaps, someday, he'll grow up too.

AngryABCGirl
02-01-2004, 02:04 PM
I was a flaming conservative in high school. Perhaps, someday, he'll grow up too.

Or someone will beat him up. Man, my violence level is high lately.

mr. x
02-01-2004, 02:15 PM
when u get endorsements from Michael Savage (see Fascist) then how u sposed to get respect (from those who dont think like u)

Emperor_Mike
02-01-2004, 07:18 PM
Educate the masses to be tolerant and ignore people like this. When they show signs of becoming a nuisance, then eradicate the disturbance with extreme prejudice in any manner that seems fit barring violence and other illegal methods.

boredlikewah
02-01-2004, 08:25 PM
Educate the masses to be tolerant and ignore people like this. When they show signs of becoming a nuisance, then eradicate the disturbance with extreme prejudice in any manner that seems fit barring violence and other illegal methods.

LOL. YES! I'm off to assasinate him.

Yeahman
02-01-2004, 10:24 PM
Is anyone else reminded of Ferris Bueler's day off? I just can't take this guy seriously when lines from that movie keep running through my head.
hahaha. I was thinking the exact same thing! A high school kid named Bueler causing trouble...

Ron
02-01-2004, 11:16 PM
Man, that's one reason why I vote Democrat/liberally. I just don't feel that Republicans have done as much, if at all, for minorities. The Republicans' voters are mainly White, and I just don't like it when even a small percentage of them get racist. Outbursts from people like these make me even more happy that immigrants are able to get jobs and companies are outsourcing jobs. America is moving into a new age, and the rednecks don't want to be dragged into that.

SunWuKong
02-02-2004, 12:36 AM
And the lanky junior appears to be enjoying, if not reveling in, his role at the center of an ideological free-for-all. He has become a hot commodity on conservative talk radio shows, where he has not been shy about expressing his support for God, guns and country and his contempt for liberals. Several nationally syndicated television shows have called for interviews, including, he says, "Good Morning America." School officials have gotten thousands of e- mails from people across the country who, they say, were whipped up into a righteous frenzy by a stream of rhetoric.

oh for crying out loud. what next? are people going to be heralded by the mainstream media as heroes of free speech for using racial slurs?

achtungbaby
02-02-2004, 12:44 AM
oh for crying out loud. what next? are people going to be heralded by the mainstream media as heroes of free speech for using racial slurs?

Give it another 10 years, you wait and see.

golden_buns
02-02-2004, 01:30 AM
this kind of stuff happens on college campuses nationwide. I mean, seriously... one of the college conservatives' main talking points it the left-leaningness of the professors.

Yeah, When I parked my car near campus I used to get a hole bunch of flyiers on my car telling me to join Neo-Nazi parties. Thank god they didn't know who the owner of that car was, otherwise I'm sure they would have scratched it

Banana
02-02-2004, 01:15 PM
What's scary is that the conservative's message works. America, for the most part, has people with IQs comparable to pine cones.

mr. x
02-02-2004, 02:15 PM
Yeah, When I parked my car near campus I used to get a hole bunch of flyiers on my car telling me to join Neo-Nazi parties. Thank god they didn't know who the owner of that car was, otherwise I'm sure they would have scratched it

which campus was this?

Napoleon Chynamite
02-02-2004, 04:34 PM
What's scary is that the conservative's message works. America, for the most part, has people with IQs comparable to pine cones.

Wow thanx ^^

Craig
02-02-2004, 05:03 PM
Yeah, When I parked my car near campus I used to get a hole bunch of flyiers on my car telling me to join Neo-Nazi parties. Thank god they didn't know who the owner of that car was, otherwise I'm sure they would have scratched it
What part of campus ? I didn't own a car when I was an undergraduate. I need to ask my friends about this phenomenon.

When I was living in West Campus, I only remember a few times when I was walking to my apartment at night that white guys would do things like throw stuff at me and yell something like 'chink'.
which campus was this?
University of Texas at Austin