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AliBabaIncorporated
01-27-2004, 07:44 AM
"Respecting diversity" my ass ...

http://www.recordnet.com/articlelink/012504/news/articles/012504-gn-2.php

Only in California?
Bill urges building the feng shui way
By Will Shuck
Capitol Bureau Chief
Published Sunday, January 25, 2004

SACRAMENTO -- If a leading Democratic lawmaker has his way, your next new house may be built according to standards that supposedly put it -- and you -- in harmony with unseen natural forces.

Leland Yee, the assistant speaker pro tem, is backing a bill that could insert the millenniums-old strictures of feng shui into California's building code.

Some lawmakers roll their eyes. Some chuckle. Some wonder privately how an ancient system of alignment with invisible life forces could possibly fit into a nuts-and-bolts building code designed to ensure fire safety and structural integrity.

To Yee, however, Assembly Concurrent Resolution 144 is an acknowledgement of the wisdom of Asian culture and a way to help all Californians live a better life.

"This state has a large Asian population," said Yee, who represents a portion of San Francisco. "I think it is very important to respect the diversity of this state that we allow these kinds of principles to be recognized."

Yee's measure, if passed, would "urge" rather than force the California Building Standards Commission "to adopt ... standards that promote feng shui principles."

"We are not interested in being heavy-handed about this," said Yee, who was born in China.

Feng shui means "wind, water," and Chinese practitioners have for millenniums used their understanding of these forces to arrange living spaces that enhance the well-being of the inhabitants. Feng shui is increasingly popular in the West, and even some large corporations consult experts when designing and furnishing office space.

Despite feng shui's growing following, Yee knows some people are getting easy laughs at his expense.

Assembly Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy used the bill as a punch line about pointless legislative meandering during a speech last week.

"Do you think that a body that debates feng shui can handle an issue like workers' compensation?" asked McCarthy, a Bakersfield Republican. :::

Others shrug with a sense of "what's next?"

But Yee said his critics should find out more about feng shui before dismissing it.

"I think there's some sense that this is some kind of voodoo medicine," Yee said. "But these are principals that people live by."

Adding feng shui principles to the building code, he said, is about respecting diversity.

"The Chinese have lived with these principles for about 5,000 years," he said. "And we're all human beings, and I think it can work for everyone here, too."

Assemblyman Greg Aghazarian, R-Stockton, said it's possible to be respectful of the culture while dismissive of Yee's plan.

"Obviously, it's deeply rooted in the Asian culture and tradition, and I think we have to be very respectful and mindful of that," Aghazarian said. "But I don't think this is a very effective use of tax dollars.

"It will only add to the costs of building in this state, when we should be looking at ways of reducing costs," he said. "Is the next step for the state to get into the business of determining who is a feng shui master and licensing them?"

The California Council of the American Institute of Architecture hasn't taken a position on Yee's bill.

But Stockton architect Anthony Acevedo, for one, doesn't like the sound of it.

"It's like saying we like English Tudor, and all our buildings should be of that flavor," Acevedo said. "I think politicians should not be directing how something should get designed. That should be up to the client."

Building codes, he said, should make buildings safe and dependable.

"It shouldn't be an issue for the government to say you have to put in a big red door because it brings in a positive flow," said Acevedo, who's been designing custom homes and businesses in Stockton for seven years.

Penny Redman, on the other hand, thinks the idea is wonderful.

Redman, owner of Chinatown Enterprises in downtown Sacramento, was pleasantly surprised to hear the Legislature might give greater weight to the art she has practiced for 13 years.

"Feng shui is putting your life in balance," she said. "When you're in balance, you live more harmoniously."

It's not hocus-pocus, she said. "It's not a religion. Asking if you believe in it is like asking if you believe in the weather.

"If they do this, it's just going to help," Redman said. "And what's the matter with helping people?"

Faithless
01-27-2004, 08:10 AM
I listened to this on the radio this morning during my morning jog.

I started laughing and almost ran into a parked car. And I have to agree with the comment from the article:

Building codes, he said, should make buildings safe and dependable.

Leave Feng Shui to the asthetics of an architect.

Banana
01-27-2004, 09:28 AM
I listened to this on the radio this morning during my morning jog.

I started laughing and almost ran into a parked car. And I have to agree with the comment from the article:

Building codes, he said, should make buildings safe and dependable.

Leave Feng Shui to the asthetics of an architect.

Agreed. God, aren't there better things to worry about?!

A.R.A.M.
01-27-2004, 01:34 PM
Reading the article, I wasn't entirely sure if Yee wants all buildings to be constructed according to feng shui principles, or to ensure that those who want to build a building according to feng shui are able to do so within the law.

achtungbaby
01-27-2004, 08:04 PM
I dunno much about Assemblyman Yee. With a lot of these state legislators though, you're getting people who don't always fit either the type of typical tempermanent of politicos...they're sometimes ordained because the representative community wants to make sure one of their own -- regardless of race -- gets in there.

nameless
01-27-2004, 09:05 PM
Real feng shui...not the 'How To' books they sell at B&N...is really, really complicated. So many things factor into the equation of what an ideal home is that it's pretty much unattainable. I was told (translated too, actually) that the best home you can get is like 60% of the ideal - most homes aren't even close to that. Too much stuff like where the home is located (eg. on a hill) plays a part.

So...whoever is backing this certainly isn't the hardcore feng shui community. Such codes would make the housing market so much worse for both believe and non-believer.

Faithless
01-27-2004, 11:01 PM
So...whoever is backing this certainly isn't the hardcore feng shui community. Such codes would make the housing market so much worse for both believe and non-believer.
I didn't quite understand what you were saying, but if you are suggesting that someone wants to add feng shui into the California Building Code Standards in a way that will weaken the building code, I don't think they would be doing that.

Rather, feng shui would be added as some sort of extention to the code.

Like I say, I see where it is more asthetic architectural. But it would still be neat to see it encorporated in architectural design:

http://www.fengshuiarch.com/whocanuse.html

FACKU
01-28-2004, 01:29 AM
I know Leland Yee, I have met him and I can assure that he is not close of being a nutcase. He is actually a very talented, reasonable man that I will support anytime and that has nothing to do with his race, or nation of origin. He is just a good man.

Now whoever wrote the article is trying to incite something negative about a good decent man. What Leland Yee introduce is a concurrent resolution (ACR) and not a bill. That means it just a statement that does not become a law or anything that is binding. They usually issue ACR to award somebody famous or somebody who has done good for instance. I think Leland Yee was just trying to promote Feng Shui as a cultural thing. The choice of words that his legislative staff use in the resolution may sound stupid to you but remember that he represents San Francisco and that was probably done to appease one or more of his constituents out there.

I urge you to get to know Leland Yee better: http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a12/

lethal
01-28-2004, 01:40 AM
I've never met Leland Yee, but I lived in his district when I lived in San Francisco. While he most likely is a very talented and reasonable man and good legislator, I thought sometimes he overrepresented the Chinese population of his district. He always talked about the Chinese and Chinese Americans. Granted, he is Chinese, but how about us non-Chinese Asians that live in his district? We face many of the same issues, but we're ignored. That just annoyed me.

Chester
01-28-2004, 01:49 AM
I like Leland Yee, but I think even the recommendation is silly and does the Asian American community no favor. As a mouthpiece for the community, he's just making us look silly and overbearing...I don't see a place for Feng Shui either in the official building code or even in official State proclamations of the ceremonial variety.

It would, however, be totally fucking hilarious if developers not only had to get building inspectors, but also get approval signatures from feng shui engineers toting out their compass thingies onto the construction site.

FACKU
01-28-2004, 01:51 AM
I dont think that is necessarily true. He is also a champion for the disabled (mentally and physically) also. Some Asian American lawmakers tend to talk up their asian heritage in front of mostly asian audience because they want to make sure that their audience can relate to them. It can be a mistake but I dont think they automatically become Asian-centrist. My question to you is that if you feel ignored about your issues, then have you ever drop by his office or give his office a call or simply email him with your issues. Be nice about it and I am pretty sure somebody from his office will get back to you sooner or later. It depends on what your issues are and if they think that you are serious.

Believe me, he can't win on chinese votes alone and believe me when I say that Leland Yee is not a stupid fellow.


I've never met Leland Yee, but I lived in his district when I lived in San Francisco. While he most likely is a very talented and reasonable man and good legislator, I thought sometimes he overrepresented the Chinese population of his district. He always talked about the Chinese and Chinese Americans. Granted, he is Chinese, but how about us non-Chinese Asians that live in his district? We face many of the same issues, but we're ignored. That just annoyed me.

FACKU
01-28-2004, 02:05 AM
Again let me remind you that this is a conservative republican media trying to distort the image of a democratic assembly person. You can probably search the ca assembly website and find joint resolution or concurrent resolution like this all day long. It's a harmless thing and no, it does not taxpayer any money because it is just a recommendation. Nothing binding and for all pete's sake, it does not change anything.


I like Leland Yee, but I think even the recommendation is silly and does the Asian American community no favor. As a mouthpiece for the community, he's just making us look silly and overbearing...I don't see a place for Feng Shui either in the official building code or even in official State proclamations of the ceremonial variety.

lethal
01-28-2004, 02:06 AM
I dont think that is necessarily true. He is also a champion for the disabled (mentally and physically) also. Some Asian American lawmakers tend to talk up their asian heritage in front of mostly asian audience because they want to make sure that their audience can relate to them. It can be a mistake but I dont think they automatically become Asian-centrist. My question to you is that if you feel ignored about your issues, then have you ever drop by his office or give his office a call or simply email him with your issues. Be nice about it and I am pretty sure somebody from his office will get back to you sooner or later. It depends on what your issues are and if they think that you are serious.

Believe me, he can't win on chinese votes alone and believe me when I say that Leland Yee is not a stupid fellow.

I talked to the people from his office when they called me to solicit my vote. No real response. They just said they'd "look into it."

You will note his quotes in the Chronicle or Independent or SF Weekly say "Chinese" rather than "Asian." For example, "Chinese girls are still being molested on the back of Muni buses." Now, is he saying other Asians don't get molested on the back of buses? I'd hope not, but he doesn't actually say that.

Is the Sunset, he could win on Chinese votes alone. I've since moved out of SF since he was elected to the Assembly, so I don't know what his rhetoric now is. Really, I don't care anymore since I no longer live there. He just never made a connection with me whereas other Asian American politicians have.

Kuchana
01-28-2004, 02:21 AM
Again let me remind you that this is a conservative republican media trying to distort the image of a democratic assembly person. You can probably search the ca assembly website and find joint resolution or concurrent resolution like this all day long. It's a harmless thing and no, it does not taxpayer any money because it is just a recommendation. Nothing binding and for all pete's sake, it does not change anything.

And why pray tell are you automatically assuming that it's a conservative republican media that's trying to distort the image of a democratic assembly person? There simply can't be a person that doesn't agree with his policies who is a liberal or other for that matter?? Heaven forbid if that happens. Why bring bi-partisan politics into this??? Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Frankly, I think the idea's silly but to each his own.

He just never made a connection with me whereas other Asian American politicians have.

Why is that?

achtungbaby
01-28-2004, 03:34 AM
So...whoever is backing this certainly isn't the hardcore feng shui community.

I wasn't aware their was a hard-core feng shui community. :biggrin: But this bill does sound sorta like peddaling culture -- for what ultimate purpose I have no idea.

Here's a suggestion: how about working instead to lessen the Governor's cuts on Healthy Families and Medi-Cal so that Asian immigrants can get some feng shui to begin with.

achtungbaby
01-28-2004, 03:51 AM
I know Leland Yee, I have met him and I can assure that he is not close of being a nutcase. He is actually a very talented, reasonable man that I will support anytime and that has nothing to do with his race, or nation of origin. He is just a good man.

I'm certainly not questioning his character. He seems like an upstanding guy. My only comment I guess was that "fluff" legislation such as this is usually indicative of a legislator who's basically just treading water. And contrary to what some might think, I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. Legislative office at the state level certainly isn't for everyone, but even more certain, it isn't available to everyone. In addition to that -- getting your own or co-sponsored bill chartered is indeed a pretty rigorous task that requires probably even more skill at the staff level than of the elected. But in these revolving-door days of term limits, a new face every couple of years...

...that was probably done to appease one or more of his constituents out there. Boy I *hope* he did this in response to one of his people. I'm a little weirded imagining him sitting home late at night, alone...in the kitchen with the lights off...in his boxers and smoking a cigarette: "I've GOT it! That's what this state needs!"

achtungbaby
01-28-2004, 04:04 AM
And why pray tell are you automatically assuming that it's a conservative republican media that's trying to distort the image of a democratic assembly person? There simply can't be a person that doesn't agree with his policies who is a liberal or other for that matter?? Heaven forbid if that happens. Why bring bi-partisan politics into this??? Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Frankly, I think the idea's silly but to each his own.



Why is that?

Our only other Asian male legislator in CA is George Nakano. Same deal. Nice guy, friendly, polite, will be willing to sign off on things without a ton of push back. Asian females in politics pretty much dominate the landscape right now. And they deserve it. For every "Feng Shui," Judy Chu's got something substantive in either health, education or immigrant rights. She's a good speaker, but her strongest asset in my opinion is that she's a person who'll do her best to give you a hand while the cameras are turned away. Anyway, sory for the digression...i hate work life

Faithless
01-29-2004, 12:34 AM
There could be one possible use for Feng Shui in building things:

Electrical work.

Check out this snippet from an article --

Feng Shui and home improvement (http://www.homestore.com/HomeGarden/Decorate/FengShui/0928.asp?poe=homestore)
Do you have a lot of electrical or electronic equipment in your bedroom such as a television, VCR or sound equipment? Remove as much of it as you can because the electromagnetic fields generated by such equipment generate a lot of sha chi or killing energy. In feng shui, television kills your love, sex life and sleep. If you simply must have a tv in your room, cover it up at night with a child's blanket which is just the right size and thickness to obstruct the negative energy

The other way might be "code enforcement", especially the whole thing of "sharp edges".