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Craig
01-14-2004, 01:41 PM
Goldman: China to revalue yuan in first quarter

www.chinaview.cn 2004-01-13 13:31:14

BEIJING, Jan. 13, (Xinhuanet) -- China will make a one-off revaluation of the yuan within the first quarter of the year and move to a trade-weighted basket of currencies to set its exchange rate by the second half, investment house Goldman Sachs said.

The measures will lead to a five percent cumulative appreciation over the next 12 months, it said.

With low interest rate expectations and yawning current account and budget deficits, the US dollar has been hitting fresh lows against the euro and other major currencies on an almost daily basis.

This is pressuring China to address its exchange rate policy, the investment bank said in a client note.

Although a 10 percent revaluation would be needed to bring the currency to fair value, it expects China to revalue the yuan by 2.5 percent against the US dollar in a "prudent first move" towards a more flexible exchange rate regime.

Goldman Sachs said that China is then likely to move from a direct US dollar peg to a crawling basket of trade-weighted currencies.

It cited a recent mainland media report which said that the government was considering linking the yuan to a basket of 11 trade-weighted currencies.

It noted, however, that because many of these were either managed against or pegged to the dollar, its composition would be 63 percent in dollars and the remainder split between the euro and yen.

Goldman Sachs said that the move to a managed basket of currencies would lead to a one percent appreciation against the basket in six months and 1.5 percent in 12 months, totaling a five percent rise in value overall.

It said that this implies an exchange rate of 8.07, 7.68 and 7.54 yuan to the dollar in three, six and 12 months respectively. The yuan will be valued at 13.00, 12.38 and 12.60 yen over these periods, it said.

Chester
01-14-2004, 02:58 PM
It said that this implies an exchange rate of 8.07, 7.68 and 7.54 yuan to the dollar in three, six and 12 months respectively. The yuan will be valued at 13.00, 12.38 and 12.60 yen over these periods, it said.
So, in other words, better go now...

bonsai
01-15-2004, 02:57 PM
So, in other words, better go now...

wow...china's giving into the pressure. i can't begin to imagine the effects that will take place in the coming year.

VV o n g B a
01-15-2004, 03:42 PM
its partly in china's own interest to do this. if they keep buying US treasury notes and the dollar keeps falling against other currencies, the $400 billion they currently have in reserves will lead to some nasty losses.

ShortNBitter
01-15-2004, 05:29 PM
its partly in china's own interest to do this. if they keep buying US treasury notes and the dollar keeps falling against other currencies, the $400 billion they currently have in reserves will lead to some nasty losses.

Well, you know America could always go to war over a silly thing like that, now couldn't they??? I mean, who's gonna stop them? the U.N.? Hah not likely.

VV o n g B a
01-15-2004, 05:47 PM
Well, you know America could always go to war over a silly thing like that, now couldn't they??? I mean, who's gonna stop them? the U.N.? Hah not likely.
huh? do u mean go to war over china not reevaluating or china not continuing to finance US debt?

in either case, it would collapse both countries' economies for awhile so they'll avoid armed conflict like the plague.

ShortNBitter
01-16-2004, 09:13 AM
huh? do u mean go to war over china not reevaluating or china not continuing to finance US debt?

in either case, it would collapse both countries' economies for awhile so they'll avoid armed conflict like the plague.

The debt part. America going to war over money wouldnt be a new thing.

Edit: or maybe they'd pick on some1 smaller like the koreans or somfink...

Yeahman
01-18-2004, 09:26 AM
Since the yuan is inconvertible what is the best way to invest in it? I don't want to buy Chinese stocks since the whole point of it all is to take advantage of the one-time risk-free 2.5% appreciation.

VV o n g B a
01-18-2004, 09:48 AM
Since the yuan is inconvertible what is the best way to invest in it? I don't want to buy Chinese stocks since the whole point of it all is to take advantage of the one-time risk-free 2.5% appreciation.
i was wondering that myself and i don't know that it would be worth it unless u had tons of money. not only is the yuan inconvertible, if u go to a bank in china to convert cash brought from the US, they'll charge u a conversion fee of .7% of your total conversion, and then u'd only be making 1.8%. then, once the change occurs, u'd have to convert it BACK to dollars and lose another .7% or so. then u'd be left w/ a 1.1% profit.

so even if u invest $10000 (the most in cash u are really allowed to bring over to china and back into the US), u'd get back about $110. not worth it in my estimation.

the most worthy investment i'd say is in real estate. if u buy land right now in shanghai or beijing, not only will the real estate value grow, u'll also gain the benefit of the currency appreciation. the only thing i'm not sure of is if u can lock in the payment in US dollars. even if u can't, it would still be worth it to get real estate.

Yeahman
01-18-2004, 10:48 AM
If the revaluation is going to occur in the 1st quarter as Goldman says, a 1.1% return in no more than 2 1/2 months isn't bad. Plus you can hold it in some sort of interest bearing account.
Since it is risk-free, if you have a savings account might as well keep it in yuan for the next 3 months. You won't lose anything.

So is there anyway around the inconvertability?

SunWuKong
01-18-2004, 04:56 PM
i am not certain if you can open a bank account in yuan, or if you'd be charged a conversion fee for it, but you can try doing it in HK by converting first to the HK dollar and then to the yuan. when i was living there, i had a HKD account with the Bank of America branch there, and i was able to convert back and forth from HKD to USD with no fee. never done it for the yuan, though.

bonsai
01-21-2004, 05:20 PM
with my hsbc account in hk, i was able to convert HKD into RMB without a fee many times. i'm not sure about mainland china banks.

SunWuKong
01-21-2004, 05:39 PM
with my hsbc account in hk, i was able to convert HKD into RMB without a fee many times. i'm not sure about mainland china banks.

are you able to open a RMB account at HSBC?

bonsai
01-21-2004, 07:16 PM
are you able to open a RMB account at HSBC?

hmmm...not sure. you can check their website: http://www.hsbc.com.hk/hk/home/