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Faithless
01-13-2004, 12:42 PM
They're at it again with an attempt to block the imfamous seven dirty words from virgin ears:

Wanna hear the F-word? Fuhgeddaboutit! (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040113.wubadwords13/BNStory/Front/)
By DOUG SAUNDERS
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

They are among the most familiar words in the English language, short and vigorous terms that tend to emerge in traffic jams, hip-hop songs, schoolyards, pitchers mounds, White House tapes and episodes of The Sopranos.

But if a group of U.S. congressmen have their way, those words will soon be illegal. A bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives this month would outlaw the expression on TV and radio of seven well-known words, including the four-letter terms for defecation, urination, fornication and the female genitals, as well as compound words that imply one resembles an anus, performs fellatio or engages in maternal fornication.

Doug Ose, a Republican congressman from California, launched his crusade to wash the mouths of Americans after he watched two awards shows recently in which celebrities uttered Anglo-Saxon epithets on stage. "There are a lot of latchkey kids," the congressman told the San Francisco Chronicle this week. "I don't want to be sitting there when a guy blurts something out over the TV and have my daughters ask me what those words mean."

He was particularly distressed by the rock star Bono, who enthused on the Golden Globe awards in October that, "This is really, really fucking brilliant."

The U.S. Federal Communications Commission, which regulates language on public-owned radio and TV airwaves (cable-only stations, such as Sopranos broadcaster HBO, are exempt) ruled that the Fox network was not violating its regulations in broadcasting that sentence because Bono was using the offending word in its adjectival form, and therefore "did not describe sexual or excretory organs or activities."

As a result, Mr. Ose's bill amends the broad prohibition against offensive language in the current broadcast legislation to specifically ban not only those seven naughty words, but also "compound use (including hyphenated compounds) of such words and phrases with each other or with other words or phrases, and other grammatical forms of such words and phrases (including verb, adjective, gerund, participle, and infinitive forms)."

Those words are rarely heard on network television. This has created an odd discrepancy in which such vulgarities are nearly ubiquitous in day-to-day life but are banished from prime-time TV.

Sometimes the walls between these worlds break down, as they did last month when the starlet Nicole Richie somehow confounded the five-second bleeper delay on the Billboard music awards, allowing millions of prime-time viewers to hear her utter the beguiling sentence: "Have you ever tried to get cow shit out of a Prada purse? It's not so fucking simple."

Those words provoked a tempête de merde of protest from parents' groups, inspiring Mr. Ose to draft his bill. He has the support of a number of other Republican legislators and his bill is expected to be debated later this month.

"It really is about the children," said Laura Mahaney of the Parents' Television Council, one of the groups backing the bill. "If they can't say those things in schools any more, they shouldn't be hearing it on prime-time television."

Even though those words used to be known as "schoolyard language," Ms. Mahaney said that most schools now ban them, and that television networks should be setting higher standards. "There's a huge difference between a pig in a barnyard and a pig in a parlour."

Mr. Ose's bill owes an unwritten debt to comedian George Carlin, who launched the entire institution of banning words with his 1972 monologue, The Seven Words You Can't Say on Television.

At the time, those words weren't formally banned. Mr. Carlin's list is identical to Mr. Ose's, except the Carlin list ends bathetically with the word "tits," while that word is absent from the bill and has been replaced with "asshole," which was missing from the 1972 list.

Mr. Carlin's monologue was broadcast on Pacifica Radio, a public-radio network in California. The FCC tried to censor the station, and the court battle lasted years. In 1978, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a profanity-laced ruling, determined that the FCC was within its rights in banning Mr. Carlin's monologue, and any similar uses of language.

That ban never mentioned specific words, though, and U.S. law currently bans only "obscene" language. Mr. Ose's bill would be unique in naming the specific offensive terms -- an odd development, some observers noted, since it means that the bill itself is more obscene than anything that could be put on TV.

The bill can be read, in its full and colourful language, by visiting the website http://thomas.loc.gov and typing its full name, HR3687, into the search engine.

In an interview not long ago, Mr. Carlin rolled his eyes at the Byzantine legislation that his monologue provoked. "That, of course, leaves out the fact that there are two knobs on the radio and television: One turns it off, the other changes the station."

Scholars of the U.S. Constitutional say the bill, should it pass, could easily provoke a courtroom battle on the scale of the one that Mr. Carlin's monologue stirred up.

Craig Smith, a law professor at California State University who specializes in censorship law, said the bill would face tough challenges because many of the words it bans cannot be proven to be offensive. As Mr. Carlin once famously noted, one of the words on the bill's list (but not his own) simply combines a word for "donkey" and a word for "concavity."

"I think you have to demonstrate that there's a harm," Mr. Smith said. "That's a burden they can't meet."

seanp
01-13-2004, 01:12 PM
fuck that

myself808
01-13-2004, 04:15 PM
George Carlin: (http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml) And words, you know the seven don't you? Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits, huh? Those are the heavy seven. Those are the ones that will infect your soul, curve your spine and keep the country from winning the war. Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker, and Tits, wow. Tits doesn't even belong on the list, you know. It's such a friendly sounding word. It sounds like a nickname. 'Hey, Tits, come here. Tits, meet Toots, Toots, Tits, Tits, Toots.' It sounds like a snack doesn't it? Yes, I know, it is, right. But I don't mean the sexist snack, I mean, New Nabisco Tits. The new Cheese Tits, and Corn Tits and Pizza Tits, Sesame Tits Onion Tits, Tater Tits, Yeah. Betcha can't eat just one. That's true I usually switch off . But I mean that word does not belong on the list.

jutau
01-13-2004, 06:08 PM
well if they are gonna ban general words like that... why dont they ban the racial slurs first? or are those not profane enough? the N, the C, the J, or saltines...

>:^|
01-13-2004, 06:13 PM
Because regulation of speech, obscenity, etc., usually depends on community standards.

And the larger community usually isn't too offended by racist, sexist or homophobic slurs. How often have you heard people say, "Well, that doesn't offend me"? :rolleyes:

Faithless
01-13-2004, 06:38 PM
FCC's obscene or indecent broadcast standards (http://www.fcc.gov/eb/broadcast/obscind.html)
To be obscene, material must meet a three-prong test:
(1) an average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
(2) the material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and
(3) the material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. See Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973).

Tao
01-13-2004, 07:27 PM
George Carlin:

"shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits man"

xdlin22
01-13-2004, 07:46 PM
fuck the fcc, i think the word fuck is the fucking greatest motherfucking word ever fuckin created.

BeTheReds
01-13-2004, 09:07 PM
I still don't understand why bad words are considered bad words, other than the ones which have religious significance, like saying the Lord's name in vain or asking him to send something to hell.

I don't understand why shit, fuck and piss are such bad words.

Ogumo
01-13-2004, 09:43 PM
I still don't understand why bad words are considered bad words, other than the ones which have religious significance, like saying the Lord's name in vain or asking him to send something to hell.

I don't understand why shit, fuck and piss are such bad words.


Neither do I. They use alot of energy and time to censor several words. But what I find funny is they do this while 98% of the population uses those words regularly.

mr. x
01-13-2004, 10:14 PM
some radio stations block references to guns or drugs which is well-meaning but STUPID

i mean i remember hearing that everlast song and it was like

"he whipped out his (BOING!) talked some (ZONK!) and wound up dead...."

Faithless
01-29-2004, 11:15 AM
some radio stations block references to guns or drugs which is well-meaning but STUPID

i mean i remember hearing that everlast song and it was like

"he whipped out his (BOING!) talked some (ZONK!) and wound up dead...."

Let's pull the plug on TV and radio vulgarity (http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/opinion/7818398.htm)

Key quote: Yet there will continue to be a tug of war between what constitutes decent and indecent as the major networks continue to push the envelope. After all, they must keep up, or down in this case, with the cable airwaves where foul mouths and coarse behavior are standard fare.

While channel surfing the other night, I came across an adorable sitcom kid using a three-letter word for the human backside that rhymes with a wide-mouth fish. I zapped the kid with the remote. He didn't feel a thing, which is most unfortunate.

Maybe I should have waited to see if the adorable sitcom mom came back after the commercial break and washed his mouth out with soap. Finally, some reality television to get enthused about.

Potty mouth is epidemic. Kids, adults, even presidential candidate Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass., let it fly on the campaign trail.

Last fall the FCC ruled that using the dirtiest of the dirties (yes, the word that has made every kids' mother turn red and blow smoke out her ears) was fine by them as long as the word was used as an "adjective or an expletive to emphasize an exclamation" and "not used in a sexual situation."

When was the last time one of your kids used an off-color word and you paused to diagram the sentence?

"Mommy was going to swat your little behind for using that bad word, Jeffie, but since you used the word as an adjective, Mommy's going to let it go this time. Just be sure you don't ever use it as a noun, which for review purposes, Jeffie, would be a person, place or thing. Oh, and don't use it in a sexual situation."

"What's a sexual situation, Momma?"

"We'll talk about that after nap time, Jeffie."

Maybe in Tinseltown, but not in the real world.

A little 4-year-old friend was sharing bits and pieces of news recently when her brown eyes grew big and she said that her mom put "binegar" on her tongue for saying a bad word. Binegar is vinegar when you can't pronounce your v's.

Another friend told of showing a video to kids at a family gathering recently. It was only a mild exaggeration when she said she fast forwarded through so many parts with inappropriate matter that the movie was finished before the microwave popcorn was.

Responsible parents don't hit the play button on a laugh track when lewd talk fills their homes. They squash it like a bug. Nor do they want vulgarities casually popping up on TV or radio.

Some 1.5 million people bombarded FCC Chairman Michael Powell with e-mails expressing that same sentiment. Powell reversed course and announced he now wants to prohibit the use of the f-word and drastically increase fines for stations that violate the indecency law. (And you thought those calls and e-mails never made a difference.)

Yet there will continue to be a tug of war between what constitutes decent and indecent as the major networks continue to push the envelope. After all, they must keep up, or down in this case, with the cable airwaves where foul mouths and coarse behavior are standard fare.

Cable personalities such as Howard Stern, the Osbournes and the Sopranos are adept at using obscenities as nouns, verbs, conjunctions, prepositions, commas and semi-colons. They would be hard pressed to play Scrabble using more than four tiles a turn.

There are around 1 million words in the English language. The average number of words used by the average American is estimated at 10,000. The average number of words recognized by the average American (George Will not included) is somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000.

There are about 20 vulgar words in the English language. We can survive without them.

Kathleen Parker's column will return soon.

nameless
01-29-2004, 05:30 PM
...so just say the word m'kay!

ShortNBitter
01-29-2004, 05:33 PM
Fuck (this is not spam I swear to God it is not) :biggrin:

AngryABCGirl
01-29-2004, 07:02 PM
fuck fuck fuck a duck screw a kangaroo finger an orangatang at your local zoo.

I'd like to see that one some children's rhyming show.

ShortNBitter
01-30-2004, 04:41 PM
actually now that i think about it, when i was really lil that word wasnt that big of a deal. we swore like lil sailors ^.^ and then again we still do hehehe

Faithless
03-03-2004, 11:22 PM
Has swearing lost its power to shock? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1141282,00.html)
1965: Kenneth Tynan says 'fuck' on TV and four motions are tabled in parliament
1976: the Sex Pistols use it on a teatime show and are banned from TV
2004: more than 10 million people watch John Lydon use the 'C' word and fewer than 100 complain
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ITV1 used one on Tuesday night at the start of I'm a Celebrity - Get Me Out of Here! A continuity announcer warned that the programme was live and that therefore contestants in the hit jungle-survival show might make strong comments. This advisory proved well-advised. At around 10.28 pm, in the show's closing moments, the punk icon John Lydon accused the voting audience at home of being "fucking cunts" for failing to choose him as the night's loser. He has claimed that he wants to leave the series asap.
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Well, after making that comment, he proably was the night's loser. :rolleyes: