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537
01-06-2004, 01:55 PM
Man Drives SUV Through Store
One Woman Injured

POSTED: 11:03 AM PST January 6, 2004
UPDATED: 12:22 PM PST January 6, 2004


CITY OF ORANGE, Calif. -- A 69-year-old man drove his Ford Explorer through the front doors of a Stater Bros. supermarket in Orange, Calif., Tuesday, injuring a woman who was briefly pinned under the SUV, police said.


NBC4's Justin Jaeger reported that fire officials had to roll the SUV backwards to untrap the woman.

The woman, in her late 20s, was taken to a hospital, and four others suffered minor injuries in the crash and were treated at the scene, said Sgt. Dave Hill of the Orange Police Department.

Officials said the SUV was stopped by the cash registers and debris fallen from the shelves.

The driver, whose name was not immediately released, crashed his SUV through the mechanical front doors at the store at 1800 E. Collins Ave. shortly after 10 a.m., Hill said.

The unidentified woman, who was pinned under the vehicle for a few minutes, was taken on a "trauma run" to Western Medical Center in Santa Ana, Hill said.

The extent of her injuries were not immediately known, he said, adding that she was apparently a customer.

It was not immediately known if the others who were injured were employees or customers, Hill said.

The SUV destroyed two of the market's half-dozen check stands, but the store, while closed at this point, appeared to remain structurally sound, Hill said.

"It looks like the vehicle was brought to a stop by two separate check-out aisles," he said.

The unidentified driver, who was not injured, was being questioned by the department's major accident investigation team, the sergeant said.

"We're looking into exactly why this happened, what caused it, and trying to put all the pieces together to come up with a conclusion," Hill said.

"Our investigators are speaking with him (the driver) now, and we're interviewing him in the hopes that we'll get more information about what he was doing before the collision and what exactly caused this collision today."

An NBC4 reporter asked Hill about skid marks, indicating the motorist may have tried to apply the brakes.

"One of the things that our reconstructionists will do is they will look at the skid marks, they'll measure them," he said. "They'll do an exhaustingly thorough investigation with the physical evidence here to determine whether or not he was braking, accelerating, whether he was turning at the time, and just exactly the vehicle was doing ... at the time of the crash."

He said it was unclear whether the driver "was a customer or just here in the area, but we'll try to find that out, as well."

Stater Bros. is not involved in the current strike and lock-out involving supermarket employees at three other companies, Hill said.


[Story here...] (http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2744704/detail.html)

537
01-06-2004, 01:58 PM
Also in the news today, the 86-year old man responsible for the death/wounding of 13 Farmer's Market shoppers plead not guilty in court today.




So how many people think we should have more of these drivers on the road?

applehead
01-06-2004, 02:01 PM
there should be rigorous testing
for older people.
i saw an undercover story where elderly people
who were deemed legally blind by
their eye doctor get their licenses
renewed.

Rogmok
01-06-2004, 02:01 PM
not to sound insensitive toward senior citizens, but i think we should force people over 65-70 to retake the road test.

DragonKnight
01-06-2004, 02:27 PM
Personally there should be a special licenses for SUV's. A lot of drivers of those monsters think they own the road driving them like they're sports cars. I personally like big trucks and all, but for crying out loud drive those fugkers with respect and caution.

Anyhoo, as close as my dad is getting to 65, yes...there should be special testing for the elderly. Not to mention I'd encourage them to drive smaller cars like Insights and Corollas...not friggin tanks like Caddies and SUVs.

Banana
01-06-2004, 02:32 PM
Insensitive? That's just common sense.

Oblivious
01-06-2004, 02:33 PM
Also in the news today, the 86-year old man responsible for the death/wounding of 13 Farmer's Market shoppers plead not guilty in court today.
Watching the news briefly this morning, neighbors of the 86-year old man disagreed with any harsh penalty towards him. They said he's a very kind man and what's the point? He's so old.

I understand that senior citizens' eye sight will naturally worsen and their reaction time and control of many things will slow down drastically. That's all part of aging. Yes, all these scenarios could possibly be accidents and unintentional. But does that excuse them from being punished for their deadly acts? I think not! Bottom line, if you take someone's life away, you should have to face the consequences no matter how old you are.

I hope after seeing these unfortunate situations (like we didn't know this before), there will be change. I wish, that is. But of course, it'll have to take more deaths and instances for any change. :rolleyes: I absolutely agree with applehead and Rogmok about the testing for elderly people. They're just as equal a threat as drunk/sleepy drivers.

applehead
01-06-2004, 02:42 PM
Watching the news briefly this morning, neighbors of the 86-year old man disagreed with any harsh penalty towards him. They said he's a very kind man and what's the point? He's so old.

that's a ridiculous reason.
i guess i'll wait till i'm really old to committ crimes then.

applehead
01-06-2004, 02:43 PM
not to sound insensitive toward senior citizens, but i think we should force people over 65-70 to retake the road test.

i totally agree with you.
maybe even younger...

Oblivious
01-06-2004, 02:48 PM
that's a ridiculous reason.
i guess i'll wait till i'm really old to committ crimes then.
Tell me about it! If these guys get away with this crime, then I guess we'll expect to see more and more of these unfortunate situations in the future. :rolleyes:

>:^|
01-06-2004, 02:51 PM
There was a guy at the DMV
Who failed the test to see if he could see
He gave out a shout
And with a squeal he pulled out
Nearly running over me.

drwong
01-06-2004, 03:13 PM
not to sound insensitive toward senior citizens, but i think we should force people over 65-70 to retake the road test.

After all, they force all drivers license applicants under 18 to undergo the road test, regardless whether the applicant has prior experience - why not do the same for older drivers?

It's pretty interesting to hear these public safety advocates demanding seat belts be installed on all school buses, despite the fact that there are only one or two fatal accidents a year out of the millions of trips provided each day. If those few incidents are statistically significant enough to mandate another government regulation, then how about one that would make older drivers prove their ability to drive safely before one kills more innocent victims?

hooligan
01-06-2004, 04:21 PM
After all, they force all drivers license applicants under 18 to undergo the road test, regardless whether the applicant has prior experience - why not do the same for older drivers?

It's pretty interesting to hear these public safety advocates demanding seat belts be installed on all school buses, despite the fact that there are only one or two fatal accidents a year out of the millions of trips provided each day. If those few incidents are statistically significant enough to mandate another government regulation, then how about one that would make older drivers prove their ability to drive safely before one kills more innocent victims?
i agree with drwong. i'd like older drivers to take the driving test more often.

as for school buses? i fear for those who hit them.

>:^|
01-06-2004, 04:54 PM
Younger drivers have higher rates of collision
I don't think it has to do with their vision
When I'm too old to drive
I hope I'll arrive
At a safe and suitable decision.

amietron
01-07-2004, 12:40 AM
i think once they're 70, they have to have an exam every year or something like that.

mr. x
01-07-2004, 11:03 AM
well like others have said they're no worse then a lot of teens or middle agers ive seen. i wonder how some of these people got their license in the first place

537
01-07-2004, 11:05 AM
How many teens do you see driving their car through stores/swap meets?

mr. x
01-07-2004, 11:08 AM
How many teens do you see driving their car through stores/swap meets?

shit well these are isolated incidents. im not saying NO elderly drivers suck, i mean a lot of em drive sooooo slow. but i mean why should they have the fingers pointed at them, the teens are the ones who do the crazy crazy shit

537
01-07-2004, 11:26 AM
shit well these are isolated incidents. im not saying NO elderly drivers suck, i mean a lot of em drive sooooo slow. but i mean why should they have the fingers pointed at them, the teens are the ones who do the crazy crazy shit

If by crazy shit you mean reckless driving or reckless endangerment, there are specific laws against that. But running your car through a pedestrian populated area isn't something you see someone do on purpose, is it? Even if it is executed with intent, come charges of attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

We must point fingers at them. If you are rendered unable to drive due to some incident/accident/other occurrence, would you still drive? Along the same lines, if someone cannot display adequate response time and simple hand-eye coordination in order to operate a motor vehicle in a safe manner, how can they drive a car? All that's proposed is to have them tested once a year beyond a certain age that hasn't been set in stone yet. If they pass the test, they can drive. If they fail, they don't. As far as I know, any and everybody is subject to be retested at the discretion of the powers that be. And yes, that includes the teens you speak of who drive crazy.

This is in the interest of saving lives. Of preventing another disaster! :frown: