Average Joe 2!

[younggiftedandblack]

Anybody watch it? There's one AA guy on there Phuc Le.

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/phuc1.jpg

About Phuc (http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/phuc.shtml)

[Faithless]

You're kidding, Phuc Le, as in sounds like "fugly"? Wonder if that was a strategic choice :frown: by the producers.

Good luck, Phuc. Sounds like fodder for the bashing though.

[Faithless]

Their poll is running 78% against to the question of "Do you think one of the new Average Joes will be lucky in love?"

Poll results. Probably won't link... (http://ps.interpolls.com/cache/nbc/averagejoe2/poster.poll?p=8913&c=132&u=2)

[mr. x]

reminds me, there was a commercial of American Idol new season with the asian dude (who said like "i didnt get any lessons" and simon says something to the extent of "no shit!")

i mean yeah he didnt sound too great but man seeing an asian get it liked that, gosh...

[Faithless]

But with American Idol, I'm hoping it's all just about this Asian guy's shitty singing.

I'm thinking that with Average Joe, the producers were thinking, "Phuc Le? Are you serious. This'll be worth a million laughs."

[mr. x]

But with American Idol, I'm hoping it's all just about this Asian guy's shitty singing.

I'm thinking that with Average Joe, the producers were thinking, "Phuc Le? Are you serious. This'll be worth a million laughs."

seriuosly, that "singer's" 15 minutes will be up but yeah Phuc, they are basically dangling the girl above him just out of reach

[Faithless]

seriuosly, that "singer's" 15 minutes will be up but yeah Phuc, they are basically dangling the girl above him just out of reach

Well, as long as he gets the chance to dangle his tongue in her mouth before he gets the boot, it's all good. (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/don/allgood.wav)

[mr. x]

Well, as long as he gets the chance to dangle his tongue in her mouth before he gets the boot, it's all good. (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/don/allgood.wav)

http://www.imdiversity.com/articleimages/asian/SAMHollywoodThanks2.jpg

[SunWuKong]

oh help us all.

[golden_buns]

Phuc has no chance at all

[Kuchana]

But with American Idol, I'm hoping it's all just about this Asian guy's shitty singing.

I'm thinking that with Average Joe, the producers were thinking, "Phuc Le? Are you serious. This'll be worth a million laughs."


Cruel and unusual punishment :rolleyes: That's just asking for it sheesh.

[kitty]

that is an unfortunate name.

[golden_buns]

that is an unfortunate name.

Everything is unfortunate about this guy

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/phuc1.jpg

[Faithless]

Phuc has no chance at all

But no Phuc'n chance? Hey, wait, he's a brother!

[golden_buns]

But no Phuc'n chance?

Phuc no!

[deez nuts]

he's phuc'ed

then again the competition ain't much to choose from either.

poor girl

[golden_buns]

then again the competition ain't much to choose from either.

poor girl

Yeah, check out our homeboy TONY
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/tony1.jpg

[moJo]

ick, i can't believe they are doing a second season of this stupid show.

[deez nuts]

Yeah, check out our homeboy TONY
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/tony1.jpg


or our boy, carrot top

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/david1.jpg

and this guy:

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/bill1.jpg

hi puberty called, it's willing to come into your life and usher you into manhood now.

[golden_buns]

Question for the ladies.

If you were the girl in the Show, which one would you go for?

[golden_buns]

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/bill1.jpg

hi puberty called, it's willing to come into your life and usher you into manhood now.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Faithless]

ick, i can't believe they are doing a second season of this stupid show.

Well, if you believe the promos, they were able to tape this before the airing of Average Joe 1.

Supposedly, Phuc survived the first round, btw.

Personally, I want to recant my Phuc cracks. More power to you bro. :smile:

[Faithless]

Just how common is the name Phuc Le (http://phucle.com/)

[moJo]

ugh. i hate the premise of this show. is this the only way non-beautiful people can get on TV? by these means? i also hate my recoiling reaction to all of these poor guys. which is precisely what nbc wants, huh. it makes me feel like a horrible person.
and this guy:

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:...mages/bill1.jpg

hi puberty called, it's willing to come into your life and usher you into manhood now.
ok, that was funny, csb.
Yeah, check out our homeboy TONY
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:...mages/tony1.jpg
and this is just plain scary and gross. is that what he looks like all the time, or did he get into a barfight at an inopportune time?

[Chris]

This show is just plain Phuc up

[kasia]

Phuc has no chance at all

actually, he fits right in with that crowd. they should call it 'below average joe.'

[golden_buns]

actually, he fits right in with that crowd. they should call it 'below average joe.'

If the world came to an end, and you and the gentlemen from that show were the only survivors, which one would you go for?

[kitty]

I dunno... that guy Phuc doesn't seem too bad. He's not *terrible* looking ... and he seems to be kind fun-loving.

[kasia]

If the world came to an end, and you and the gentlemen from that show were the only survivors, which one would you go for?

phuc. it looks like he could cook some good hawaiian food.

[coagulated fat]

You are all crazy. Asian or not, Phuc is ugly as sin. Brian G. and Chris are the only guys there who are even approaching average looking. Maybe David because I have a thing for guys with curly, weird hair.

Granted, I forgot to watch the show, so I'm judging by appearances only. ANY guy on yw is preferable to these.

[mr. x]

Yeah, check out our homeboy TONY
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/tony1.jpg

oh man, WHY does it look like the dude got jumped? as in jumped in the shower for sporting Aryan tattoos?

[deez nuts]

Granted, I forgot to watch the show, so I'm judging by appearances only. ANY guy on yw is preferable to these.

we got some self proclaimed uglies though.

[applehead]

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/bill1.jpg

hi puberty called, it's willing to come into your life and usher you into manhood now.

he looks like he's in middle school.
HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Blue dice]

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/images/david1.jpg

Weird al Yankovic?

[noname]

I think the outcome will be the same as last time, but it looks like watching the process will be more interesting than last time.

The girl... like Phuc said, she's smokin' - better than the previous one IMO.
(it was funny how Phuc couldn't contain his excitement when he first saw her... anyways...)
More swimsuit shots please :)
But does she seem like a super-beeotch to anyone?

[Napoleon Chynamite]

There seems to be an awful lotta chubby/fat guys, but I dun think they're all ugly or anything. And that prepubescent-looking guy would be pretty decent looking if he lost some weight (speaking as a straight guy with limited credibility in judging a man's looks).

[coagulated fat]

There seems to be an awful lotta chubby/fat guys, but I dun think they're all ugly or anything. And that prepubescent-looking guy would be pretty decent looking if he lost some weight (speaking as a straight guy with limited credibility in judging a man's looks).
Given your limited credibility, let me enlighten you.

They are all ugly.

[Emperor_Mike]

Oh, dear lord! When will all these reality shows END???

Having said that, I saw the commercial. Looks fascinating. The first Average Joe involved the contestants having to wear stupid looking masks, right?

[coagulated fat]

Oh, dear lord! When will all these reality shows END???

Having said that, I saw the commercial. Looks fascinating. The first Average Joe involved the contestants having to wear stupid looking masks, right?
No, no, no. That was Mr. Personality, hosted by Monica Lewinsky. (shakes head in disappointment at Mike's lack of reality dating show knowledge)

[Emperor_Mike]

No, no, no. That was Mr. Personality, hosted by Monica Lewinsky. (shakes head in disappointment at Mike's lack of reality dating show knowledge)

I'm sorry. I'm a reality TV show dunce. :frown:

EDIT: OMG! This Brian G. fellow is a stalker in the making! Read his profile on his "Dream Girl"

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/brian.shtml

[Deadpool]

Mainstream society is getting shallower and shallower.
Shows like these insinuate that people who do not fit a certain physical standard, a standard defined by and shoved into peoples faces by greedy media corps, are not worthy and are too unhip to date.
Whatever. Fucking sheeple.

Sorry. In a sour mood today.

[mr. x]

Oh, dear lord! When will all these reality shows END???

Having said that, I saw the commercial. Looks fascinating. The first Average Joe involved the contestants having to wear stupid looking masks, right?

wow you actually get this show over in England?

I think the outcome will be the same as last time, but it looks like watching the process will be more interesting than last time.

The girl... like Phuc said, she's smokin' - better than the previous one IMO.
(it was funny how Phuc couldn't contain his excitement when he first saw her... anyways...)
More swimsuit shots please :)
But does she seem like a super-beeotch to anyone?

totally! when i saw the commercial and she's like "what did i get myself into" and she bent over the chair like, i duno, nazi mistress style

[applehead]

Given your limited credibility, let me enlighten you.

They are all ugly.

i don't think they're ugly.
they just need to get acquainted with the Fab Five.

[mr. x]

u know what i hope the new twist is? i hope this time they bring in more hot girls so she can stop being the center of attention whoring.

[Faithless]

God save us if these men are "average Joes".

[Fireblade]

we got some self proclaimed uglies though.

someone ring? :biggrin:

[mr. x]

I'm sorry. I'm a reality TV show dunce. :frown:

EDIT: OMG! This Brian G. fellow is a stalker in the making! Read his profile on his "Dream Girl"

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Average_Joe:_Hawaii/brian.shtml

AAAAAAHAHAH

for one thing saying specific "real" girl is your dream girl is bad enough but following her around? i mean she'd probly know!

[coagulated fat]

You know what, if they wanted to truly reveal the shallowness within and make things interesting, they should have had a hot guy with average-to-ugly looking girls. Somehow these hot girls are expected to look past the fact that they aren't physically attracted to a guy if they "bond" or whatever, but somehow the same is not asked of guys. No one would ask a hot guy to be attracted to an ugly girl. That would be complete lunacy.

[Chester]

No one would ask a hot guy to be attracted to an ugly girl. That would be complete lunacy.The world would implode from the shattering of the paradox!

Anyway...my thoughts exactly. That one guy hopes Miss Hottie will see his inner self, meanwhile he's lusting after vapid morons like Alyssa Milano and Jennifer Love Hewitt.

[Emperor_Mike]

wow you actually get this show over in England?
...


Well, no. I'm back in Canada for the break, but am leaving soon. Over in England we have Big Brother ad nauseum. I think here in North America it ended with Big Brother IV. In the UK it's probalby Big Brother XXXIII or something like that. Maddening stuff.

[teaz0r]

i saw the First Big Brother.
that was fun. when it was
still new.

[deez nuts]

someone ring? :biggrin:

not just you. a few other fellas also if i recall cotrrectly.

[Tao]

The world would implode from the shattering of the paradox!

Anyway...my thoughts exactly. That one guy hopes Miss Hottie will see his inner self, meanwhile he's lusting after vapid morons like Alyssa Milano and Jennifer Love Hewitt.
hewitt's a nice girl though!

[mr. x]

i think Big Brothers bigger in UK and this is just my guess but cuz Americans are just not big on watching people stay in the same place. u could argue thats what Survivor is but its in a "exotic" locale so yeah.

anyway about what Coagulated Fat said, i dont think that would "work" (ratings wise) cuz the audience base for the show has gotta be male and u aint gonna hook males with "Plain Janes" and yes that goes to show the shallowness u mentioned but that doesnt matter to NBC, they care only about the money. u know for sure though, the moment they bring in the "hot" women he would look up in the sky and say "thank you!"

[coagulated fat]

i think Big Brothers bigger in UK and this is just my guess but cuz Americans are just not big on watching people stay in the same place. u could argue thats what Survivor is but its in a "exotic" locale so yeah.

anyway about what Coagulated Fat said, i dont think that would "work" (ratings wise) cuz the audience base for the show has gotta be male and u aint gonna hook males with "Plain Janes" and yes that goes to show the shallowness u mentioned but that doesnt matter to NBC, they care only about the money. u know for sure though, the moment they bring in the "hot" women he would look up in the sky and say "thank you!"
I don't think the audience base for the show is male... actually I don't know any non-yw guys who watch this show. It would work ratings-wise. I'm sure more women watch these kinds of shows than men. I mean look at The Bachelor, I doubt a single guy watches that show and it is the king of reality dating shows.

[Chester]

hewitt's a nice girl though!
She's nice-looking. But she's a corny, annoying twit.

[sOrr1ez]

reminds me, there was a commercial of American Idol new season with the asian dude (who said like "i didnt get any lessons" and simon says something to the extent of "no shit!")

i mean yeah he didnt sound too great but man seeing an asian get it liked that, gosh...

yea that asian dude is pretty funny...
I was at the auditions to just watch cause Ryan asked me to come... So I sat there and watched. That guy's been everywhere.. He lives in Los Angeles. When I went to go watch Fame (An American Idol wannabe that was made by NBC...which I loved), cause I knew like the whole cast, that asian dude was there and he was like "I can sing too..." And he grabbed a mike during one of the breaks and started to sing and stuff.. it was funny... but when I saw the commerical for AI3 and saw how they put him on there I felt bad. But it is funny.. And that dude's funny anyways. He just had that little thing where he has no idea about anything and just talks and talks and talks. Interestingly enough I think he's happy cause he was on tv like that...

[coagulated fat]

She's nice-looking. But she's a corny, annoying twit.
Yeah, attractive and "nice" isn't enough for me in a love interest. I demand wit and/or human sacrifice.

[yoMAMA]

you know what?

NBC probably has already finished taping average joe 3, 4, 5...........

and i haven't watched any of those "reality shows".....

[mr. x]

hahahah, its gonna be like joe millionaire where in order to fool the woman they either get a buncha european joes (shudder) or get a european hottie and show her average american joes

"I do not vant zis!"

[lethal]

Joe Millioniare 3: Asia...*shudder*

Phuc isn't pronounced fuck. It just looks like it. Unfortunate. Its more like...umm...damn, I don't think the English language has the right vowels to sound it out.

[mr. x]

Joe Millioniare 3: Asia...*shudder*


i actually thought about that! luckily the ratings sucked, and if EURO women cant get those kindsa hit ratings i doubt asian women will (thank God).

i dont think i can stomach the promo for that

"oh you lich lich amelican!"

AAAAAAAH

[noname]

Phuc Le is out!

He blew it. Didn't jump in the water when they got to the waterfall, didn't (couldn't?) look at Larissa when they had 1-on-1 time. And when he got cut, he didn't say any parting words. :rolleyes:

[Faithless]

That is sad. Sounds like he was outclassed.

[kboy75]

Phuc had ISSUES. Talkin' 'bout "junk in the trunk" and "badonkadonk" right after his one-on-one talk with her... I mean, time and a place, ya know?! he was just kinda WEIRD.

So most of the overweight guys on Average Joe 2 got eliminated last night. But in my opinion, it really wasn't the fact that they were overweight, as much as it was their insecurity and awkwardness. Yes, it must be closely tied together, but honestly, those guys were not ready for a relationship with that girl. I mean, they have other issues (and baggage) to deal with first. And hey, I always want to pull for the Asian brothers but that guy Phuc... what a weirdo.

[Faithless]

So, it's okay to say that he ph... up.

[golden_buns]

Phuc Le is out!

He blew it. Didn't jump in the water when they got to the waterfall, didn't (couldn't?) look at Larissa when they had 1-on-1 time. And when he got cut, he didn't say any parting words. :rolleyes:

phuc! phuc!

[ChairmanMah]

this has got to be the dumbest reality show yet. Let's see. Bring in a bunch of losers and then laf at them as all these better looking guys come in and trample them.

[ChairmanMah]

sometimes it's painful just watching them screw up. like you can feel sorry for them.

[TB4000]

sometimes it's painful just watching them screw up. like you can feel sorry for them.
To be honest though, they did put themselves out there, and it might actually benefit them. Some girl may see how they were brave enough to get humilated and be strangely attracted.

[moJo]

this has got to be the dumbest reality show yet. Let's see. Bring in a bunch of losers and then laf at them as all these better looking guys come in and trample them.
exactly. it's just so mean-spirited. :frown:

[Faithless]

`Joe' actually helps real-life average guys
(http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/tv/mmx-0401220078jan22,0,3289976.story?coll=mmx-television_heds)
This sort of arrangement appeals to the American male's sense of entitlement that goes: "No matter how ugly and out of shape I am, I deserve a hot-bodied, angelic-face cover girl because I am swell."

It seems like a good deal for these socially inept losers until the show throws a twist at them and boats in a regiment of rippled abs and golden hair to steal the limelight.

"Average Joe: Hawaii" is actually the second installment of the "Average Joe" idea. But this time around the Joes are even more average than when the reality show first aired in fall 2003. And by average, I mean that when one of the contestants called the show "Nerd Island," he hit the nail right on its misshapen head.

But the averageness of the Joes is not the only thing that separates the Hawaii edition of the show from the previous edition, set in Palm Springs.

For instance, in the first series, the woman's name was Melana Scantlin and she was an NFL cheerleader, which is totally different from the new contestant, Larissa Meeks, who is a former Miss USA contestant. On top of that, Scantlin appeared to be a blond while Meeks is a brunet. In order to properly take its place among the pantheon of great television shows, "Average Joe: Hawaii" needed to do something big.

It needed to redefine the word average, but in doing so, it takes to a new low viewers' impressions of what the average guy really looks like.

I don't know any guys who are both good-looking enough or in the peak physical condition that one must achieve to model Calvin Klein underwear. But unless the television adds 50 pounds of weight and 10 pounds of ugly, all of the average-looking guys I know are better looking than all of the guys who were chosen to be this season's "stars."

Normally, I'd be miffed that a show was intentionally lowering the nation's beauty mean, but this might be a good thing for the real average guys everywhere.

Other reality dating shows, such as "Joe Millionaire," "The Bachelorette" and "The Bachelor" have spent years inflating women's expectations that the average guy looks like an advertisement for Ripped Fuel. This has caused women to look at average men as hideous affronts to nature.

But "Average Joe" can turn that all around.

A few more seasons of watching these beauties wrestle over these beasts, and average guys like me will look absolutely stunning.

[mr. x]

is AJ season 2 even still on?

[Banana]

The next reality show should be "Who wants to marry a masturbating bear?"

[mr. x]

The next reality show should be "Who wants to marry a masturbating bear?"

they already did that, its called My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance

oh he'll be mass debating once the shows over all right

[abct]

Both shows are actually really good. Better than the sitcoms they have nowadays.

[dorkus malorkus]

I got sucked watching Average Joe 2! its good. oh yeah my big fat obnoxious fiance is hliarious!

[sOrr1ez]

I got sucked watching Average Joe 2! its good. oh yeah my big fat obnoxious fiance is hliarious!

I agree... I watch'd today's show of Average Joe 2... DAMN... Todd is cute.. but from the average joe's I think that Tony's a good guy...

[Faithless]

It's over and ...

One more Joe crushed; monster twist leaves some viewers speechless (http://www.wcnc.com/news/reality/stories/wcnc-030204-al-reality_averagejoe.4763eb63.html)
...
I figured Larissa’s “secret” would be she is divorced or maybe she is a millionaire.

“My ex-boyfriend is very well known,” Larissa tells Gil as they walk down the beach. “It’s Fabio.”

Say what? Fabio? Cheesy personified. The guy who’s name is Italian for Fonzie. She fell for Fabio? At this point, I don’t know what I’m feeling.

Gil takes it pretty hard. He can’t really explain why he is so mad but he’s angry and playing in the waves for some reason. He wants nothing to do with Larissa and I am in a great mood all of a sudden.

“Now I know how Brian Worth felt” she reflects. They show a perfect flashback to Brian, “I will always be there for you.”

Wow, what an ending, a twist that was actually a twist. I don’t see why this show was buried in the 10:00 spot because it delivered from start to finish.
...

[deez nuts]

i was cheering for gil to win. that average joe's bostonian accent was just annoying as hell and he looked like one of them bobble head dolls.

i think gil took the whole fabio thing a bit too hard. i wouldn't mind dating the ex of fabio, myself. but, nonetheless, it was funny as hell how gil dropped her ass and how she got burned in the end.

[Oblivious]

What was the big deal about Fabio?! :rolleyes:

[dorkus malorkus]

Does anyone know who won yet or is it not over!??!

[Chester]

Does anyone know who won yet or is it not over!??!
I think it's over. She picked the Gil over the Brian, then disclosed that she used to go out with Fabio.

Gil couldn't believe it, had to walk into the surf to think things over, then went back, packed, and split. Larissa started crying.

I was kind of dumbfounded because, like Oblivious, I don't understand why the big "revelation" was such a big deal -- it's not like she dropped trou and had a schlong.

Personally, I think Gil had gotten what he wanted: exposure on TV, a free vacation for a few days, and hook-up time with a hot girl. That was in descending order of importance, so when he got the slightest opportunity to ditch on the last, he did.

Either that or he's astoundingly pea-brained and he confused "I used to date Fabio" with "I used to be Fabio."

[kboy75]

I think Gil is an idiot to get upset over the Fabio thing.

But I saw them on the Today show this morning and they have apparently gotten back together.

[Faithless]

Does anyone know who won yet or is it not over!??!
I posted a link a few posts back.

.
I think it's over. She picked the Gil over the Brian, then disclosed that she used to go out with Fabio.

Gil couldn't believe it, had to walk into the surf to think things over, then went back, packed, and split. Larissa started crying.

I was kind of dumbfounded because, like Oblivious, I don't understand why the big "revelation" was such a big deal -- it's not like she dropped trou and had a schlong.

Personally, I think Gil had gotten what he wanted: exposure on TV, a free vacation for a few days, and hook-up time with a hot girl. That was in descending order of importance, so when he got the slightest opportunity to ditch on the last, he did.

Either that or he's astoundingly pea-brained and he confused "I used to date Fabio" with "I used to be Fabio."
I think you got it right.

Got to hand it to Larissa for geting used in the end, as well.

[applehead]

i can't believe you guys don't find
the fact that she dated fabio very off putting.

[moJo]

i can't believe you guys don't find
the fact that she dated fabio very off putting.
what? you didn't find him totally hot when that bird smacked him in the face on that roller coaster ride? :tongue:

[applehead]

that happened?!?!

hahahahahahahah
did the bird die???

[moJo]

that happened?!?!

hahahahahahahah
did the bird die???
googled just for you, meena. :tongue: but sadly, yes, the bird died. all because fabio got in the way.

Fabio Takes it on the Nose (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,4545,00.html?eol.tkr)

[applehead]

oooooh man.
mojo! you rock!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
that's just THE most weirdest thing i've ever read.

[Faithless]

i can't believe you guys don't find
the fact that she dated fabio very off putting.
What's your perspective? :smile:

I'm thinking the suitor should pay attention to the past tense of Larissa's statement -- that is "used to date".

But are you saying there is something wrong with a woman who would date a Fabio, and guys should watch out for such a woman?

[yoMAMA]

I think he upset about the butters.........[if you know what i mean]........ :biggrin:

[applehead]

What's your perspective? :smile:

I'm thinking the suitor should pay attention to the past tense of Larissa's statement -- that is "used to date".

But are you saying there is something wrong with a woman who would date a Fabio, and guys should watch out for such a woman?


well. it's kinda gross.
she's only 24, right?
he's like what 40 something?
it's just... weird.
she used to i guess is the key word.

but i'm totally going to be equally grossed
out if i found out someone i'm dating
used to date anna nicole smith.

and another thing, obviously she found something
wrong with her having dated him or else it wouldn't
have been such a big secret.

[Faithless]

well. it's kinda gross.
she's only 24, right?
he's like what 40 something?
Oh, I forgot how old he was. Almost like cradle robbing?
What if her ex was a stud like Brad Pitt or someone?

but i'm totally going to be equally grossed
out if i found out someone i'm dating
used to date anna nicole smith.
I can understand the sentiment about Anna, I guess.
So, then Justin Timberlake dating Cameron Diaz is wierd to?

[applehead]

Oh, I forgot how old he was. Almost like cradle robbing?
What if her ex was a stud like Brad Pitt or someone?
someone good looking like brad pitt or someone
famous and good looking like brad pitt?
that would still be weird either way.
the age thing is what bothers me.
and then the fact that he's fabio!!
jesus. fabio. hahahahahaha

I can understand the sentiment about Anna, I guess.
So, then Justin Timberlake dating Cameron Diaz is wierd to?
yeah.

[Chester]

but i'm totally going to be equally grossed
out if i found out someone i'm dating
used to date anna nicole smith.
That seems to me to be a pretty apt analogy.
and another thing, obviously she found something
wrong with her having dated him or else it wouldn't
have been such a big secret.
Well...we don't know how big of a secret she thought it was. It seems to me that it wasn't something she was proud of, to say the least, but the way she stated it didn't seem to indicate it was some super-hidden, dark, penultimate shame.

That came from the producers of the show. My guess is that she mentioned that she had dated Fabio as a sort of "gosh, I'm kind of embarrassed, but I used to date Fabio" sort of a thing, and that Gil -- for whatever reason -- went ape-shit over the disclosure.

Then, the producers framed the last section of the show around this "big revelation," knowing that, to Gil, it was a big revelation.

To me, it's off-putting, but it's certainly not a deal-breaker. People are allowed to make mistakes and if I became attracted to her during the two weeks (or whatever) I was on the show, the whole Fabio connection wouldn't controvert everything I'd become attracted to.

That is to say: I would tease the fuck out of her, but I wouldn't act like a doofus baby like Gil did.

[jo1to6]

I think Gil is an idiot to get upset over the Fabio thing.

But I saw them on the Today show this morning and they have apparently gotten back together.

I had a feeling that would happen... I may sound a bit cynical, but I think the whole ending was kinda bogus. It almost felt like nbc execs did AJ1 and Malena didn't choose who they thought she would... then comes AJ2, and they figure Larissa would choose the average joe, but again she didn't. Like Malena she goes for the prettier package... so in order to get their fairytale ending they tacked on this ending where Gil dumps her, thus showing the superficial girl getting the tables turned on her in the end... The ending was just too just for it to have been real.

Oh a related note, what do you guys think is teh big surprise on AJ3: Adam Returns???

[deez nuts]

fabio is cool cuz he got ass for pecs. but, he's no topaz man.

they're back together?

[krome]

Ha, the finale was hilarious... and sobering. :biggrin:

Larissa had a highly emotionally-charged date with the average joe, Brian. He took her to Fenway Park and to meet his closest real-life friends. He also basically confessed his love for her and clung desperately to her like a stubborn dingleberry. She was truly moved and teary-eyed (seriously) by his sincerity and how special he said she was to him.

By contrast, her date with Gil was a redneck fantasy, where they went swamp-boatin', speedboatin' and visited his construction site in Florida. He never talked much - just kept looking out into the distance like a Norman Rockwell painting. He was very closed like a robotic action-figure or T2. She tried really hard to pry any feelings out of him. But, all unsuccessfully. When she finally asked him what he wanted to walk away from the show with, he replied:

"To be an actor."

Oh yeah, he really did say that.

Anyways...so who does she end up choosing? You guessed it...still the icy "hunk" Gil. Apparently, she convinced herself that his emotional constipation was "intriguing" and so went with her (biological Darwinian) "instinct" (yes, she actually used that word) to pick the guy with the better jawline and abs. Steve Sailer would be proud. So who's the real robot here, lol?

Meanwhile, Brian got the, "You don't deserve me, you deserve someone who can love you like you love me" speech (complete with sad puppy dog eyes). I felt his pain as he looked totally dejected and crushed on his busride back - hopefully he learned his lesson though.

Well, Gil and Larissa jetted off to some beach resort where they likely had s*x for 4 days, until she revealed her "deep, dark secret" - that she had once dated *gasp* Fabio. Gil completely tripped out over this and asked the camera, "imagine yourself in my shoes!" (Um ok, I'd be fvcking her like a p0rn star instead of whining to America, boohoo.) I still don't get what a "big deal" that was - but he soon dumped her, lol!

Anyways, bottom line is, women first get biologically-attracted to a guy, and THEN rationalize why them and not someone else. Face it, if Brian had Gil's personality, then she would have used his closedness as an excuse to dump him and Gil's openness as her excuse to pick him. Instead, she twisted Gil's reticence into a plus and overlooked his ulterior motives, which he even explicitly stated. Then, as she had no real excuse to dump Brian (other than the obvious), she gave him the old "you deserve someone better" heave ho. Well, maybe she was right...lol.

Fact is, the race was never even close. The choice was already made upfront. The rest was just rationalizing and convincing herself why...

[Chester]

Anyways, bottom line is, [b]women first get biologically-attracted to a guy, and THEN rationalize why them and not someone else
Shallow women, perhaps.

Frankly, Brian wasn't a sparkling personality either. I only saw 2.5 episodes, but everytime I saw him, he reeked of insecurity and at no time did he strike me as someone I'd want around me -- e.g., he was boring.

[kitty]

Anyways, bottom line is, women first get biologically-attracted to a guy, and THEN rationalize why them and not someone else. Face it, if Brian had Gil's personality, then she would have used his closedness as an excuse to dump him and Gil's openness as her excuse to pick him. Instead, she twisted Gil's reticence into a plus and overlooked his ulterior motives, which he even explicitly stated. Then, as she had no real excuse to dump Brian (other than the obvious), she gave him the old "you deserve someone better" heave ho. Well, maybe she was right...lol.


krome, you already have a bunch of threads in other forums in which you spout this borderline mysoginy. please keep your anti-female sentiments to yourself or post them in the other threads, and keep your comments here focused on the woman on the show.

[yoMAMA]

im still waiting for "the world's tiniest groom, II" on Fox, of course.....

:rolleyes:

[applehead]

So, do you also mod the entire internet, too? :rolleyes:

no but i propose that she does.
kittygirl for internet super mod!!
sounds good.

[kitty]

krome, i have no specific grudge against you, but your post has been deleted because your points are being covered in other threads. I warned you to stick to the topic of discussing the 'Average Joe' result, and to frame all comments as a reference to the woman in question, rather than blanket statements of women in general.

If you have something you would like to say about women in general, and feel that no threads cover this topic, than please, feel free to start a thread in another forum (either Women, Men, Rant Room, or Sex&Health). This forums is about discussion pertaining to Arts&Entertainment, and this thread is specifically about Average Joe 2, the show.

And, no, I am no super-mod. At least not yet. *maniacal laughter*

[achtungbaby]

Ha, the finale was hilarious... and sobering. :biggrin:

Larissa had a highly emotionally-charged date with the average joe, Brian. He took her to Fenway Park and to meet his closest real-life friends. He also basically confessed his love for her and clung desperately to her like a stubborn dingleberry. She was truly moved and teary-eyed (seriously) by his sincerity and how special he said she was to him.

By contrast, her date with Gil was a redneck fantasy, where they went swamp-boatin', speedboatin' and visited his construction site in Florida. He never talked much - just kept looking out into the distance like a Norman Rockwell painting. He was very closed like a robotic action-figure or T2. She tried really hard to pry any feelings out of him. But, all unsuccessfully. When she finally asked him what he wanted to walk away from the show with, he replied:

"To be an actor."

Oh yeah, he really did say that.

Anyways...so who does she end up choosing? You guessed it...still the icy "hunk" Gil. Apparently, she convinced herself that his emotional constipation was "intriguing" and so went with her (biological Darwinian) "instinct" (yes, she actually used that word) to pick the guy with the better jawline and abs. Steve Sailer would be proud. So who's the real robot here, lol?

Meanwhile, Brian got the, "You don't deserve me, you deserve someone who can love you like you love me" speech (complete with sad puppy dog eyes). I felt his pain as he looked totally dejected and crushed on his busride back - hopefully he learned his lesson though.

Well, Gil and Larissa jetted off to some beach resort where they likely had s*x for 4 days, until she revealed her "deep, dark secret" - that she had once dated *gasp* Fabio. Gil completely tripped out over this and asked the camera, "imagine yourself in my shoes!" (Um ok, I'd be fvcking her like a p0rn star instead of whining to America, boohoo.) I still don't get what a "big deal" that was - but he soon dumped her, lol!

Anyways, bottom line is, women first get biologically-attracted to a guy, and THEN rationalize why them and not someone else. Face it, if Brian had Gil's personality, then she would have used his closedness as an excuse to dump him and Gil's openness as her excuse to pick him. Instead, she twisted Gil's reticence into a plus and overlooked his ulterior motives, which he even explicitly stated. Then, as she had no real excuse to dump Brian (other than the obvious), she gave him the old "you deserve someone better" heave ho. Well, maybe she was right...lol.

Fact is, the race was never even close. The choice was already made upfront. The rest was just rationalizing and convincing herself why...

That's quite a detailed analysis for something so frighteningly stupid. :biggrin: Call me a snob, but anytime big words like "Darwinian" are used to discuss a reality show, we've all gone insane.

[kitty]

Regarding this woman's decision to go for the 'hunk' as opposed to the Average Joe, I have no idea why she would choose the pretty boy over the nice boy -- but that is under the assumption that one represents one element, and one the other. Someone posted earlier that the average joe wasn't really all that nice, and far too insecure.

I personally prefer men to be more secure and confident in themselves, and find a lack of self-esteem more unattractive than a bent nose or small dick. That being said -- the woman dated Fabio. You can't really get more superficial than that. I think they should rename the show: 'Will the dumb superficial chick pick the Average Joe', instead of marketing it as some social commentary on the importance of looks over personality -- that second premise makes the assumption that the woman represents the average woman.

[krome]

Well, a person's self-esteem and confidence is usually largely determined by the way society treats them - which in dating particularly - is usually largely determined by their looks.

Fabio and Gil are likely to have high self-esteem because their biological attributes (chiselled looks & large physique) spawn instant attraction in women - and they know that (through experience).

Meanwhile, Brian obviously has low self-esteem because women have dumped him repeatedly like Larissa did due to his biological attributes (bent nose and scrawny physique, etc). Or not even given him a chance.

Confidence is largely a symptom of one's biological attributes/traits and resultant development - and usually goes hand-in-hand with it. It comes with real ability and repeated success. If you look like Brian, it is unlikely you will enjoy that with women, and thus you will not develop such confidence as a result. Let's not put the cart before the horse, here.

You also ignored the fact that Gil was a robotic, closed, self-centered a-hole whereas Brian was a romantic, open, sincere nice guy who treated Larissa like a princess.

edit: two sentences have been removed because they are off-topic and personally insulting. -kitty

[kitty]

actually, I did not watch the show. Notice that I never claimed I did, and also that

a) reality tv is not reality but manufactured reality. we have no idea what the average joe guy was like in real life.

b) confidence is not all about looks. confidence can be about many things, including the assertion of one's opinions and personality. By your assumption, all ugly people are (and must be) insecure... and that simply is untrue.

[krome]

actually, I did not watch the show. Notice that I never claimed I did, and also that
Maybe if you had, you'd better understand my analysis?

a) True, but I still got a pretty damn good clue from what I saw...I think if you had too, you'd understand.
b) No, but looks does have a h*lla lot to do with it - particularly in dating. They've done plenty of scientific studies noting the "beauty" advantage. And, when girls discuss guys, the first question is usually, "Is he cute?"

Well...what if you're not? What if you get treated like Brian repeatedly your whole life? Are you really going to be confident? This applies to women too. A fat, ugly girl who gets derided by boys her whole life isn't likely to have "high confidence" when it comes to dating, either. And by contrast, "hotties" more likely will. There may not be an absolute 1-to-1 correlation here, but I'm sure it's pretty strong.

Honestly, why do you think guys like Fabio and Gil have higher confidence vs guys like Brian who have lower confidence? Is their confidence-proportional looks just a mere coincidence?

[applehead]

Honestly, why do you think guys like Fabio and Gil have higher confidence vs guys like Brian who have lower confidence?

maybe they just have bigger d*cks
and get more s*x from women.

[Kuchana]

Fabio??? Like no? I'd choose Brian over him any day. Too buff for me.

[applehead]

fabio is naaaaaaaaaaaaasty.
NASTY.

edit: i feel bad for saying that.
i'm sure fabio has feelings too.
i'm sorry fabio.
you're just not my cup of tea.
mine and kuchana's.
and lots of other women.

[krome]

maybe they just have bigger d*cks
and get more s*x from women.
Lol, that factors in too as a "biological trait" - but at least it wasn't me who had to say it this time... NO RICECRACKER - IT WAS NOT ME WHO BROUGHT D*CKS UP THIS TIME! So thanks! :biggrin:

[rice cracker]

Lol, that factors in too as a "biological trait" - but at least it wasn't me who had to say it this time... NO RICECRACKER - IT WAS NOT ME WHO BROUGHT D*CKS UP THIS TIME! So thanks! :biggrin:

Meh, you were building up steam to get to that point. Thanks for the shout out.

[mr. x]

wow....wow

hmm i think these joes need their revenge more often though, like the last guy at the last minute they throw in women who are even hotter than mrs. perfect and she how SHE reacts when she's no longer the center of the frickin universe

i said it before and ill say it again, its just like that Married with Children episode where Bud gets dumped in a heartbeat on tv for "Rodrigo"

[kitty]

Maybe if you had, you'd better understand my analysis?


Maybe. I wasn't commenting on your analysis, I was giving my two cents. Which had nothing to do with your post.


a) True, but I still got a pretty damn good clue from what I saw...I think if you had too, you'd understand.


Well, see the thing is that there are many things that reality tv doesn't take into consideration, to trick you into thinking youo're watching a real thing. I mean, first of all, everyone could be (and probably is) acting for the camera. The average joe guy was probably acting really really nice because that's who he was invited on the show to be -- to surpass his average looks and woo a girl for his personality. Thus, he has to seem nice, and thus probably went out of his way to be someone nicer than who he is.

Similarly, the woman and the cute guy were probably acting for the camera, creating drama for the cameras (reality tv producers encourage the actors to include more drama. Real World producers would goad the cast in the 'confessional' interviews to try and encourage them to say snippy/catty things about their roommates, and then tell the roommates what they had 'confidentially' revealed). No one knows if the woman was actually really into *either* guy or not.

Also remember that everything, done to dialogue, is edited to give a certain spin. They shoot hours and hours worth of video for each thirty minute episode, and editors have said that they are often told to 'make a plot' out of that footage, and if there isn't anything interesting, to edit it so there is.

I don't know much about this reality tv show, but I do know reality tv in general. Real Worlders have all said that their experience with reality tv didn't depict them honestly, and left out a lot to skew things one way or another. Just because you see something on tv and didn't see another thing, doesn't mean it was acutally what happened... a lot of effort goes into manufacturing reality tv.


b) No, but looks does have a h*lla lot to do with it - particularly in dating. They've done plenty of scientific studies noting the "beauty" advantage. And, when girls discuss guys, the first question is usually, "Is he cute?"


Physical attractiveness does play a role in dating. I don't think you're wrong, but I do think you are overly simplifying -- self-esteem is not entirely based upon your looks.

And what's this 'when girls discuss guys' stuff -- it's the same (or usually even more so) when guys talk about girls! Don't be so one-sided! I mean, how many guys will off-the-cuff judge a girl just walking down the street? We're all guilty of being visual creatures.

I'm just saying that when it comes to actually dating/committing/getting to know someone, it's more about personality than it is about looks.


Well...what if you're not? What if you get treated like Brian repeatedly your whole life? Are you really going to be confident? This applies to women too. A fat, ugly girl who gets derided by boys her whole life isn't likely to have "high confidence" when it comes to dating, either. And by contrast, "hotties" more likely will. There may not be an absolute 1-to-1 correlation here, but I'm sure it's pretty strong.


I'm gonna have to disagree here. I know plenty of hot men and women who are insecure about their looks and dating prowess, and many trolls who can (and do) get all kinds of play.

It's not about how you look, it's about how confident you are in who you are -- if that makes sense. You don't have to be pretty to know that you're a hot commodity.


Honestly, why do you think guys like Fabio and Gil have higher confidence vs guys like Brian who have lower confidence? Is their confidence-proportional looks just a mere coincidence?

I can't answer that question because it assumes that I agree that Fabio and Gil have higher confidences, in general. Which I think is just untrue. I mean, if that were the case, then wouldn't Gil (I assume the cute one) not have cared if the woman had dated Fabio? I mean, I thought part of his reaction was about feeling threatened by her previous escapades...

[krome]

I mean, I thought part of his reaction was about feeling threatened by her previous escapades...
I don't think he felt threatened, but more cheesy-by-association. I guess like finding out that your gf has her room decorated wall-to-wall as a NKOTB shrine. I admit, I personally dont care much about a girl's past (as long as she's clean) so I don't really understand his over-reaction, but that's more the impression I got. I mean, he derided Fabio as being on "those romance covers."

I don't know too many male trolls who get all sorts of play. Female trolls can generally get "play" more easily, cuz guys will often do almost anything - sometimes even if they have to degrade her in the process to preserve their pride/ego (http://www.ghettocitiesclothing.com/)*. Male trolls like those average joe's though - I see them getting less play than a woman in Michael Jackson's bedroom. Definitely FAAARRRR less than "hunky" types. Without question. I mean, you could probably even chart a graph correlating looks, confidence and dates as all proportional.

Also, as you said, some hotties are OUTWARDLY insecure. Well, truth is, they are actually really secure on the inside. But still, regardless, they will get hit on like a pinata simply because they are hot, confident or not. Same with shy pretty boys.

* In this case, WM Josh must preserve his WM racial superiority over all the "inferior Japanese b*tches" he's been hustling...lol.

edit: while those are very nice pictures you have included, they do not contribute to this discussion. if you have a problem with this josh character, please start a thread about this elsewhere. -kitty

[kitty]

well, you should tell that to my shy pretty boy friend who has men and women throwing themselves at his feet and still has never gotten any.

and all has to do with not having game. I guess the difference is that I subscribe more to the idea of having game = getting a date. You can be ugly as hell, but if you've got the right moves, you can get many a woman. I have also seen this happen...

Basically, I think if people place too much emphasis on how much their own looks factor into their dating, they will psych themselves out and create the very air of unattractiveness that women aren't looking for. If looks were all that mattered, ugly people would die out and we would be one hot-looking species.

And regarding the show, as I said, it is very dangerous to use this show as an example of men and women and their dating interactions. This is *one* woman. A couple of pre-selected men. This is not reality in any sense. It's just a fun little anecdote.

edit: I have also met many a woman who is attractive but insecure, because she never thinks she is attractive enough. or that men are only going out with her 'cuz she's attractive and that she has nothing intelligent to say. or... many reasons. self-confidence isn't all contingent upon looks.

[krome]

well, you should tell that to my shy pretty boy friend who has men and women throwing themselves at his feet and still has never gotten any.
EXACTLY. It's obviously not his "confidence" or game that's attracting pursuers like bees to honey. It's his biological LOOKS.

Now, I said attraction was largely biological. That was my point. And proven by your story.

If the kid has no game to convert that, well, that could be due to an ugly duckling childhood, tiny pen*s (lol :wink:), just plain shyness, etc etc. Still doesn't refute the looks argument tho - in fact, bolsters it.

I can tell you story after story of girls who just picked guys out of crowds to approach and be with. Despite whoever was spittin' game at them...

[Chester]

Is it really this complicated? Gil is better-looking by conventional standards and, clearly, Larissa evaluates by conventional standards. The contest wasn't to find a mate -- it was to choose someone to take on a beach vacation. Given what Larissa had to choose from, I can't really fault her.

If I had to choose from a super-hot girl with a vapid (but non-offensively so) personality over a rather-unnattractive (but not entirely) girl who is clearly nice (aside from making petty remarks to belittle others in order to self-aggrandize) but who doesn't really have much in the way of personality...I'd probably choose the former.

Like I said...if you throw out the looks, Brian's still no gem. And that's the fundamental flaw of the show -- the only reason to root for the Average Joes is out of pity. They need to find bad-looking guys with great personalities and stack them up against great-looking guys with bad personalities. That would be fun to watch.

[kitty]

EXACTLY. It's obviously not his "confidence" or game that's attracting pursuers like bees to honey. It's his biological LOOKS.

Now, I said attraction was largely biological. That was my point. And proven by your story.

If the kid has no game to convert that, well, that could be due to an ugly duckling childhood, tiny pen*s (lol :wink:), just plain shyness, etc etc. Still doesn't refute the looks argument tho - in fact, bolsters it.

I can tell you story after story of girls who just picked guys out of crowds to approach and be with. Despite whoever was spittin' game at them...

yeah... but he's not getting any. that's my point. to be successful in the dating game, you have to have game... they flirt with him. he goes 'ub duh'... they leave. then he says 'she was cute'. i mean, what good is being good looking if you don't have the confidence to actually do anything?

(and my point with the anecdote was that looks does not = confidence. And I wouldn't quantify him as a dating game winner. In fact he is pretty squarely in the 'dating game goes right over my head. I'm going home to whack off' category. A crying shame, actually.)

(and incidentally, it was more men than women that were into him. he's straight, so it was pretty useless for him).




incidentally... biggie smalls had mad game, got *all* the women...

... and he was an ugly-ass, cockeyed muthafucka. and one of the best rappers that ever lived.

[Chester]

Now, I said attraction was largely biological. That was my point.
I don't get it. What biology? Biology as a homo sapien? A primate? A Caucasian?

incidentally... biggie smalls had mad game, got *all* the women...
Eh...remove money and fame from the equation and I don't see him getting anything beyond a very small fraction of what he ostensibly "got."

[kitty]

Eh...remove money and fame from the equation and I don't see him getting anything beyond a very small fraction of what he ostensibly "got."

that's where you're wrong. he was a playa long before he became rich and famous.

[Chester]

that's where you're wrong. he was a playa long before he became rich and famous.
Yeah...he slanged [1] dope...making money that was probably pretty good for his 'hood.

[1] What's the past-tense of "slinging"..."slung"? "Slang"? "Slunged"?

[kitty]

Yeah...he slanged [1] dope...making money that was probably pretty good for his 'hood.

[1] What's the past-tense of "slinging"..."slung"? "Slang"? "Slunged"?

i don't think him being a drug dealer had much to do with him getting a woman. apparently he had a reputation for having a lot of game...

[Chester]

i don't think him being a drug dealer had much to do with him getting a woman.
I'm not thinking of the outlaw-drug-dealer thing as much as I am thinking the money thing.
apparently he had a reputation for having a lot of game...
Maybe so. I have a hard time believing that he was attractive without the money and fame because, aside from his flow, I don't find anything even remotely attractive about him.

[kitty]

that's the point tho'... he was wholly physically unattractive but he could really lay it on to the women.

and i don't think he was like rolling in cash from the drug dealing. i really don't think the women were only attracted to him for his money or at-the-time nonexistent fame. and obviously not his looks. therefore -- he possessed another quality that attracted women. That quality may have been interesting conversation, an ability to make people laugh, confidence in himself, a caring, honest personality... y'know... GAME.

[Chester]

That quality may have been interesting conversation, an ability to make people laugh, confidence in himself, a caring, honest personality... y'know... GAME.
To me, those are just elements of a good personality. To me, "game" is equivalent to "salesmanship" or the ability to represent something greater than reality.

I have a hard time believing that women would be into B.I.G. based on his personality alone -- or even his rapping skills alone.

But, anyway...it's not like I'm a Notorious B.I.G. biographer, so if you say he was jocking the bitches, then I won't argue.

[kitty]

well, he was. this is according to a number of articles and interviews of friends... and the fact that he was dating lil' kim and other girls before he was famous.

for me, game is a mixture of having confidence in oneself enough to flirt and approach a girl, and the ability to keep her interested when you guys start talking. if you can do that, you can pull girls really easily, more so than a hot boy with no game.

[Chester]

well, he was. this is according to a number of articles and interviews of friends... and the fact that he was dating lil' kim and other girls before he was famous.
Before he had money? I don't know much about him.
for me, game is a mixture of having confidence in oneself enough to flirt and approach a girl, and the ability to keep her interested when you guys start talking. if you can do that, you can pull girls really easily, more so than a hot boy with no game.
Won't disagree with any of that, but I'll reiterate my dislike for the word "game" as it has a hustling (shadiness as opposed to industriousness) edge to it, for me.

[applehead]

Is it really this complicated?

no i don't think so.
she picked a good looking guy that wasn't
a complete asshole.
over a average looking guy that wasn't a
complete asshole.
hello!
why wouldn't you pick the better looking one?

[Chester]

no i don't think so.
she picked a good looking guy that wasn't
a complete asshole.
over a average looking guy that wasn't a
complete asshole.
hello!
why wouldn't you pick the better looking one?
Well...the good-looking guy was kind of an asshole and proved it in the end. But, nonetheless, I agree with your astute and informed analysis.

[mr. x]

Is it really this complicated? Gil is better-looking by conventional standards and, clearly, Larissa evaluates by conventional standards. The contest wasn't to find a mate -- it was to choose someone to take on a beach vacation. Given what Larissa had to choose from, I can't really fault her.

If I had to choose from a super-hot girl with a vapid (but non-offensively so) personality over a rather-unnattractive (but not entirely) girl who is clearly nice (aside from making petty remarks to belittle others in order to self-aggrandize) but who doesn't really have much in the way of personality...I'd probably choose the former.

Like I said...if you throw out the looks, Brian's still no gem. And that's the fundamental flaw of the show -- the only reason to root for the Average Joes is out of pity. They need to find bad-looking guys with great personalities and stack them up against great-looking guys with bad personalities. That would be fun to watch.

totally, the only problem with the "shallow" aspect was the average joes are not without a doubt, 100% personality.

[Chester]

totally, the only problem with the "shallow" aspect was the average joes are not without a doubt, 100% personality.
Huh? That double-negative makes your point kind of hard to decipher.

[mr. x]

Huh? That double-negative makes your point kind of hard to decipher.

oh

basically what u said

its not a clearcut choice for the woman (shallow as she is) cuz it isnt like "this guy is ugly but great personality" i mean he could be annoying or yeah

[Chester]

its not a clearcut choice for the woman (shallow as she is) cuz it isnt like "this guy is ugly but great personality" i mean he could be annoying or yeah
Ah, okay.

[Kuchana]

totally, the only problem with the "shallow" aspect was the average joes are not without a doubt, 100% personality.

so if you were in that predicament, would you choose a girl who's an average jane but a great personality vs. an attractive chick with an ok personality?

[kitty]

so if you were in that predicament, would you choose a girl who's an average jane but a great personality vs. an attractive chick with an ok personality?

i think the predicament that some people are describing is actually:

an average jane with an ok personality vs. an attractive jane with an ok personality...

there doesn't seem to be much indication that the average joe in this case had this stellar personality... he was kinda insecure and annoying apparently.

[Chester]

there doesn't seem to be much indication that the average joe in this case had this stellar personality... he was kinda insecure and annoying apparently.
Brian did, however, have a better personality than Gil. The problem was, to put it mathematically...

(BP) - (GP) < (GL) - (BL)

B = Brian
G = Gil
P = Personality
L = Looks

I've proofed my equation several times and asked a bipartisan review board to vet it and everyone agrees that it's the truth.

[krome]

(and my point with the anecdote was that looks does not = confidence.

incidentally... biggie smalls had mad game, got *all* the women...

... and he was an ugly-ass, cockeyed ----------. and one of the best rappers that ever lived.
As I said, it's not 1-to-1, but there is a strong correlation. My point was simply that better-looking people typically have better confidence because they get treated better by society as a whole. Duh?

Now, you do know why he was called "Biggie Smalls" tho? Hint: Ron Jeremy has bedded 4,000-5,000 women (onscreen in p0rns) - but is a fat, bent-nosed cow. Oh yea, his d*ck is 9 3/4" long too, though...(learned that off Surreal Life, lol) So, now you know where Biggie likely got some of his confidence from, amongst other things?

But also, as chester duly noted, DRUG-DEALING is a HUGE attractant for "ho's." Frankly, that was likely one of his main pre-fame draws. Trust me, drug dealers and strippers go together like PB & J. Those type of women LOVE the free dope and money that come with that hook-up. It's like catnip and cats. I have a friend who was in that scene, and that was the vastly-predominant combination, by far. It really didn't matter what you looked like, if you were a dealer, you were a P.I.M.P. In fact, why do you think so many "average joe's" get into dealing in the first place? P.U.5.5.Y. No, they sure don't flock to these guys because of "interesting conversation, an ability to make people laugh, confidence in himself, a caring, honest personality... y'know... GAME." LMFAOOOOO!!!!! Look a little deeper, I mean shallower... :biggrin:

And of course, Biggie may not necessarily have been as successful with women in real life as his videos portrayed (and you criticize reality TV as distorted, lol). But I'm sure he still got plenty of play. Why? Well, his large physique, mic skills and "thug" masculinity are also key biological attractants. I've got an equation worked out on male "stud factor" - and it is largely a combination of looks, masculinity, talent and power - as scaled in relation to the rest of society. When you average those scores, that largely determines where you fall on the dating pecking order. "Confidence" is largely a symptom of a high overall score here - not really the CAUSE. Hence, people with false overconfidence usually fold once the rubber meets the road and their bluff gets called.

Something like the math Chester worked here, lol:
(BP) - (GP) < (GL) - (BL)

B = Brian
G = Gil
P = Personality
L = Looks
Please also note that it is harder for average joe's to develop confident personalities in the first place, due to the fact that they keep losing in the dating game. Repeated losses = progressively lowered confidence.

[kitty]

krome, while that is an exciting analysis of just how deep your stereotyping of African Americans lie, it is wholly inaccurate.

a) he got a reputation for being a ladies man long before he was famous as a rapper, or a drug dealer. (not a rep from his videos, but from before that.)

b) i'm sure it had nothing to do with his dick size. since he managed to woo these women before he bedded them. and, if they all assumed he had a big dick because he was black, why wouldn't they go for his better looking friends?

c) I'm sure it had nothing to do with him giving the women free drugs, since he got women before he was a dealer, and he wasn't a dealer for that significant a portion of his life.

If he watch the interviews, you'll learn that the women he got with, he got with because he was attentive (this is from an interview with... puffy, i think). A lot of people mention that he didn't treat women like ho's or anything, but that he was really caring...

krome, if better-looking people are treated better in society, and thus develop better confidences, then why *wouldn't* all beautiful people have higher confidences of themselves and all ugly people be shy and socially awkward? I mean, experience alone tells you that personality varies more wildly than that...

[krome]

a) I'm sure he was a playa pre-fame, but he was rappin' and dealin' LONG before that... If he got girls even before THAT - maybe it was due to his reputedly huge schlong?

b) I never said it was because he was black. WTH? He was big amongst all the other black guys and hence got the nick, "Biggie Smalls." Why don't you research that? WTH you think that means? Listen to his lyrics.

And contrary to your racist reasoning, not all black guys have big d*cks and so his oversized unit could easily have set him apart. And, I'm sure word could spread pretty fast in his hood growin' up if his was truly monstrous.

c) I think you're making a lot of assumptions here - can you acually back any of them up?

P Diddy was his biggest nut-rider, what do you expect him to say? That he scored women from his dealing and huge c0ck? Maybe he was nice too - likely cuz he felt he had to compensate for his ugly mug that looked like he got hit by a Mack truck?

I do notice that beautiful people tend to be more confident and uglier ones more shy. It's called a bell curve though, and of course not ALL will be that way. Absolutes don't disprove bell curve generalizations, they're actually included in them. Nice try, though.

[kitty]

a) I'm sure he was a playa pre-fame, but he was rappin' and dealin' LONG before that... If he got girls even before THAT - maybe it was due to his reputedly huge schlong?


He didn't have a reportedly "big schlong". (Tangent: who the hell uses the word 'schlong'?!? JESUS!) You're the one making the assumption that he must have a big dick to get with the girls... He got the name 'Biggie Smalls' from being the Notorius B.I.G., which was a reference to his stature, not his dick size.

As I have repeatedly said, many of the people interviewed (including but not limited to Puffy) said that his particular charm was... well... charm. He was a softie, a big sweetheart, and this attracted the women. It had. nothing. to. do. with. his. dick.


b) I never said it was because he was black. WTH? He was big amongst all the other black guys and hence got the nick, "Biggie Smalls." Why don't you research that? WTH you think that means? Listen to his lyrics.


You made the reference to his dick.

And if you're listening the lyrics than I gotta laugh. You honestly think that all the posturing that goes with some rap songs has to do with truth? It's posturing, nothing more.

And please reference me to these lyrics.

Biggie, again, was a reference to his size. The man was like 300 pounds (and rather proud of it).


And contrary to your racist reasoning, not all black guys have big d*cks and so his oversized unit could easily have set him apart. And, I'm sure word could spread pretty fast in his hood growin' up if his was truly monstrous.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA... wait, krome, in the other thread, I thought you said that all black men *did* have big dicks, and that the stereotype has truth to it, whereas the Asian men all have small dicks, and this is *untrue*...

But either way, with the above quote, doncha think you're preaching to the choir ... *I'm* the one who has always advocated that there's no truth to stereotypes.

I think the racist reasoning lies in why you think that he must automatically have a big dick if he doesn't have the looks. (Notice, you brought it up first, I was talking about his personality being his game). I mean, you must think that women go for, in this order:

1) looks
2) money/drugs
3) dick
4) personality.

Wow, you must really hate women to think they are all this superficial and can't even wrap your mind around the possibility that women might prefer personality to some of those other criteria.


c) I think you're making a lot of assumptions here - can you acually back any of them up?


Which ones? The ones where he had game? Or the one where he had game? If you want a reference, check out the VH1 biographical special on Biggie.


P Diddy was his biggest nut-rider, what do you expect him to say? That he scored women from his dealing and huge c0ck? Maybe he was nice too - likely cuz he felt he had to compensate for his ugly mug that looked like he got hit by a Mack truck?


What huge cock? Again, you brought it up, not me. Why do you assume he had a big dick? Racist stereotyping, maybe?

But the second point is my point... he was a genuinely nice person, intelligent and sweet. Before he rhymed, before he dealt, he was a nice guy. And this got him more women than any better looking guy -- thus... personality is just as (if not more) important in the dating game than looks.


I do notice that beautiful people tend to be more confident and uglier ones more shy. It's called a bell curve though, and of course not ALL will be that way. Absolutes don't disprove bell curve generalizations, they're actually included in them. Nice try, though.

I have posted the erroneous fallacy of using 'bell curve' logic previously. i even went through the trouble of researching a review on the Bell Curve for you. Did you read it or did all my helpful references mean nought?

[krome]

^ Um, I've heard the "big d*ck" rumor specifically about "Biggie SMALLS" before - it's not just some racist assumption that blacks have big d*cks or conjecture to explain his attraction despite ugly looks. :rolleyes: If it was in reference SOLELY to his weight, why is SMALLS in there? You keep making other excuses, I guess b/c you just can't stomach the possibility that I'm right and know something you didn't about Biggie - thereby disproving your entire example?

And, please quote me before you continually put words in my mouth like, "all black men *did* have big dicks, and that the stereotype has truth to it, whereas the Asian men all have small dicks, and this is *untrue*" :rolleyes: Again, you always must resort to making my statistically-valid generalizations ABSOLUTE (all) in order to disprove them. I've said that AMs MIGHT AVERAGE slightly smaller d*cks - and if that is what scientifically-valid data says - then you or I both can't argue with that. Same with other race d*cks. NEVER did I say ALL, blah blah though - as I hardly EVER use that word.

I'm not going to discuss The Bell Curve book until I read it and your bad review of it (which may be a while - if ever). But, have you even read it? Or just the review? Until then, I am simply using "bell curves" in reference to the statistical pattern that natural data most often naturally happens to fall in.

[Banana]

At least he smells better now than when he was alive.

[kitty]

re: biggie. okay, this time I'm gonna need a reference for how his name refers to his dick. Do you really think 50 cent is actually worth 50 cents? Or Snoop Dogg is really Snoopy in disguise?

I don't know where the 'smalls' derived from, it might just be catchie, after the Biggie part. Every reference i have heard of him in regards to his name has been in relation to his stature, thus I approach your claim to have 'references' with a bit of skepticism.

Regarding what your post said... so now i'm confused. Black men... statistically have larger dicks? Thus the stereotype is fine. But Asian men... statistcally... do NOT have small dicks? Because every 'study' that i have seen that has tried to test this theory has supported both stereotypes, or neither. Not one but not the other... so again, reference please.

First off, it's not my review. It was the first review I found when I typed in "Bell Curve. Review" into google. The problem with the 'Bell Curve', and from your basic use of the bell curve technique is that, while it makes very nice curves, which seems to indicate a correlation between one attribute and another on the two axes, it does not prove cause and effect, or direct correlation. For example, if you plot education on a graph according to race, you might end up with a conclusion that looks like blacks are naturally not as intelligent whites or asians. but your graph ignores social factors, or other factors that might lead to this result -- basically bell curves make a direct correlation assumption that one factor causes the other which is simply not the case.

Since the 'Bell Curve' has been published, it has been lambasted as being extremely poor science as well as racist. Feel free to read it though... you'll find that it has some interesting things to say about you, as well as about other minorities. But given what your opinions are, hell, you might enjoy it.

[Banana]

Do you really think 50 cent is actually worth 50 cents? Or Snoop Dogg is really Snoopy in disguise?

Thanks for ruining my childhood. Do you go around telling kids that Santa doesn't exist too? /cry :)

Now that I got that out of the way, while I do agree with Kitty stating that the idea of people picking and choosing which stereotypes are right or wrong is stupid but it's the fact that some stereotypes are less "positive" in today's society while others are not in certain situations.

I'm not sure you're getting the idea. If you separate stereotypes into different departments, would it be fair to say that blacks excel in some more than Asians and vice versa? Of course.

Dating and social interaction? Blacks have it better. Business and ethics? Asians have it better.

I think Krome is trying to point out that blacks have it better in some respects whereas Asians have it better in others. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less.

[krome]

Black men... statistically have larger dicks? Thus the stereotype is fine. But Asian men... statistcally... do NOT have small dicks?
Huh? I said if legit statistics show that BMs do have slightly bigger d*cks and AMs have slightly smaller d*cks on average, then I would certainly support that!

Thing is, many existing d*ck surveys use self-measuring or very small sample sizes - particularly in numbers of non-white d*cks included. A valid one would have a consistent measuring staff with large, random sample sizes of each race. That hasn't really been done yet. Obviously, there are not vast funds and major universoty studies devoted to this.

Nontheless, from what most informal data suggests, BMs probably do average the largest and AMs the smallest - however slight or modest the differences. So, I don't have major heartburn making a small leap of logic with that generalization, although I'm not going to stake my life on it, either.

And Snoop Dogg looks like a dog. Puffy got his name cuz he used to puff his chest out as a kid to look bigger. I don't know where 50 cent got his name from - but like Native American names - it likely has a real meaning as well - although not the literal ones you are mockingly suggesting.
I think Krome is trying to point out that blacks have it better in some respects whereas Asians have it better in others. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less.
Thank you. My points are actually fairly simple...to most.

[kitty]

Funny though, krome, that wasn't what this thread was about. I brought up biggie because he was an example of someone who was not beautiful, had (at the time) no money or fame, and yet was able to get more ladies than his better looking friends. This was true even later, when he did became more famous.

Snoop actually got his name because his mom nicknamed him Snoopy as a kid 'cuz he used to do the Snoopy dance. He later turned it into Snoop Dogg. But I still fail to see how that means that Biggie Smalls' name has anything to do with his dick. I mean, even if it did... I don't see how you could see that he is referring to his dick as big. If you assume that the name is a play on his size and his dick... he would be saying 'Biggie' (I am a large person) Smalls (I have a small dick)... hmmm...

But, this thread is about the Average Joe show. So let's move it back there. At least when we were talking about personality vs. looks, it had something to do with the show. Now... nothing. hell, there weren't even any real minorities on Average Joe, so, krome, once again, you have hijacked a thread and turned it into a dick size/blacks have it better thread.

So... back to the show... or at least our earlier discussion. Lemme pose this question -- do you think reality tv is at all applicable to reality?

[applehead]

So... back to the show... or at least our earlier discussion. Lemme pose this question -- do you think reality tv is at all applicable to reality?

it would be more applicable
if the people on reality shows
aren't using it as an opportunity
to advance their acting career.

[krome]

Actually, kittygirl, APPLEHEAD brought up the d*ck size/attraction thing here, NOT ME!
maybe they just have bigger d*cks and get more s*x from women. (http://www.yellowworld.org/forums/showthread.php?p=251543#post251543)
I guess I'm your perpetual scapegoat though? You really should get that false memory checked out... It's amazing how our biases color our perception and distort reality - past and present.

And, I was discussing the deeper implications of the show - excuse me for delving past shallow gossip. My bad. But, if I hadn't posted anything, this thread would have just lay here dead, anyways (not that that's bad). Obviously, my rational points strike heated chords deep within people. It's like playing a blues song and hitting all the discordant minor notes. Don't I make some painfully beautiful music? :wink:

[kitty]

i meant that you brought up dicks when i brought up biggie. i was talking about his game, and suddenly you decide it must be dick size... what's up with that?

and applehead was making a joke with that thread.

It's amazing how our biases color our perception and distort reality - past and present.


yeah, i'm surprised you hadn't noticed that about yourself already.

anyways, if this thread continues in this repetetive vein, I will close it. krome, if I have to choose between a thread being inert and you hijacking it to beat a dead horse, I will choose to let it die.

Back to the topic at hand: reality tv. Reality or not? can we make social claims about society based on reality tv? why? why not?

it would be more applicable
if the people on reality shows
aren't using it as an opportunity
to advance their acting career.

i agree. a lot of people who try out for stuff like the real world are aspiring actors who think that any appearance on reality tv will jump start their acting careers.

others are trying to win the prize money or earn fame to get on the talk show circuit. one real worlder has since used the fame to launch a career as a renowned comic book writer, still another tried to break into the music industry. many reality tv ex-cast members have posed for playboy.

i personally don't think reality tv can be used as any indication of reality.

[applehead]

it's called sarcasm. krome.