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ModernLogic
01-05-2004, 08:04 PM
Victim of Cannibal Agreed to be Eaten

Date 2003/12/4 22:08:08

To the family next door, Armin Meiwes seemed the perfect neighbour. He
mowed their lawn, repaired their car and even invited them round for
dinner. Other residents in the small German town of Rotenburg also
believed there was nothing odd about the 42-year-old computer expert,
whose light burned late into the night inside his creaking mansion.
Yesterday, however, Meiwes appeared in court charged with killing -
and then frying and eating - another man.

In one of the most extraordinary trials in German criminal history,
the self-confessed cannibal admitted that he had met a 43-year-old
Berlin engineer, Bernd Brandes, after advertising on the internet, and
had chopped him up and eaten him.
It was, he said, something he had wanted to do for a long time. "I
always had the fantasy and in the end I fulfilled it," Meiwes told the
court on the first day of his trial for murder in the nearby city of
Kassel.

Yesterday German prosecutors described how Meiwes had fantasised about
killing and devouring someone, including his classmates, from the age
of eight. The desire grew stronger after the death of his mother in
1999, prosecutor Marcus Köhler said.

In March 2001 Meiwes advertised on the internet for a "young
well-built man, who wanted to be eaten". Brandes replied.

On the evening of March 9, the two men went up to the bedroom in
Meiwes' rambling timbered farmhouse. Mr Brandes swallowed 20 sleeping
tablets and half a bottle of schnapps before Meiwes cut off Brandes'
penis, with his agreement, and fried it for both of them to eat.

Brandes - by this stage bleeding heavily - then took a bath, while
Meiwes read a Star Trek novel.

In the early hours of the morning, he finished off his victim by
stabbing him in the neck with a large kitchen knife, kissing him
first.

The cannibal then chopped Mr Brandes into pieces and put several bits
of him in his freezer, next to a takeaway pizza, and buried the skull
in his garden.

Over the next few weeks, he defrosted and cooked parts of Mr Brandes
in olive oil and garlic, eventually consuming 20kg of human flesh
before police finally turned up at his door. "With every bite, my
memory of him grew stronger," he said.

Behind bars, Meiwes told detectives that he had consumed his victim
with a bottle of South African red wine, had got out his best cutlery
and decorated his dinner table with candles. He tasted of pork, he
added.

The unprecedented case has proved problematic for German lawyers who
discovered that cannibalism is not illegal in Germany. Instead, they
have charged Meiwes with murder for the purposes of sexual pleasure
and with "disturbing the peace of the dead".

The accused, however, has a unique defence: that his victim actually
agreed to be killed and eaten.

Crucial to the case is a gruesome videotape made by Meiwes of the
entire evening, during which Brandes apparently makes clear his
consent.

Before setting off on his one-way journey to Rotenburg, Brandes was,
outwardly at least, a successful, financially secure professional,
with a live-in girlfriend. The girlfriend, Bettina L, told German TV
that she had enjoyed a healthy sex life with Brandes but they had
split up after he revealed that he also liked men.

In fact, prosecutors said yesterday, Brandes was suffering from a
severe psychiatric disorder and "a strong desire for
self-destruction".

After killing Brandes, the German cannibal met five other men who
responded to his internet advert, including one from London.

He did not, however, kill them. In July 2001 a student stumbled on
Meiwes' chat-room and alerted the German authorities, who arrested him
last December. Yesterday Meiwes told the court that he had felt lonely
and neglected as a child after his father walked out on the family. He
had fantasised about having a blond "younger brother", who he could
keep forever by "consuming him".

If convicted, Meiwes faces life in prison. A verdict is due early next
year. The cannibal's defence team, however, say that Meiwes is guilty
at worst of 'killing on demand', which is punishable by five years in
jail. In his pre-trial interview, the cannibal said that after eating
Brandes he felt much better and more stable.

Brandes spoke good English, he said, and since eating him his English
had improved. He also revealed that he is now writing his memoirs. The
trial, which is due to last three weeks, continues.

Luke Harding in Berlin
Thursday December 4, 2003
The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/article/0,2763,1099477,00.html

kasia
01-05-2004, 09:53 PM
hm...i'm kinda hungry now.

DragonKnight
01-05-2004, 10:07 PM
hm...i'm kinda hungry now.
*hides from kasie now...*

Tao
01-05-2004, 10:08 PM
wow...that's incredible. it'd make for a good horror flick

bluemonq
01-05-2004, 10:09 PM
in that case, would some girl have to think twice when someone asks if they could "eat out"? :rolleyes: i can't imagine what sort of issues one would have to have to want to be eaten.

mr. x
01-05-2004, 10:14 PM
wow...that's incredible. it'd make for a good horror flick

guy actually looks like Ralph Fiennes from Red Dragon

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/europe/12/03/germany.cannibal.trial/story.meiwes.ap.jpg



http://www.manhunter.net/remake/gfx/160/ralph_fiennes.jpg

Martino
01-06-2004, 06:53 AM
guy actually looks like Ralph Fiennes from Red Dragon

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/europe/12/03/germany.cannibal.trial/story.meiwes.ap.jpg

Most Germans look like this. Even the women.

Seriously though, this is the downside of the internet. People with crazy notions can seek out people with similar psycho-sexual fantasies with relative ease.

I think Bill Gates should be blamed, extradited to the Hague, and put on trial (that'll teach him to be mega-rich and still not get himself a serious make-over).

Rogmok
01-06-2004, 07:02 AM
WTF is wrong w/ people!!

kitty
01-06-2004, 07:17 AM
hey... the guy wanted to be eaten. i really don't see any more of a crime than what they've charged him with. it's messed up, but it's not as if cannibalism hasn't been a long part of human history.

bluemonq
01-06-2004, 09:22 AM
hey... the guy wanted to be eaten. i really don't see any more of a crime than what they've charged him with. it's messed up, but it's not as if cannibalism hasn't been a long part of human history.

i don't really see *any* crime, even the one they charged him with. the guy wanted to be eaten, let him be eaten (i feel the same way about terminally-ill who want assisted suicide: you want to die, then die). all im saying is that it's kinda weird. especially having your dick fried and served to you :eek:

kitty
01-06-2004, 11:10 AM
i don't really see *any* crime, even the one they charged him with. the guy wanted to be eaten, let him be eaten (i feel the same way about terminally-ill who want assisted suicide: you want to die, then die). all im saying is that it's kinda weird. especially having your dick fried and served to you :eek:

Well, there's something to be said about having to charge him with something. Otherwise, everyone and their cousin could go around hacking and eating people, and *claim* that their victim was consenting. I'm for assisted suicide as well, but I believe it should be gov't controlled, with a lot of procedure and red tape, to ensure that people aren't killed who don't give consent.

Same here... the guy needed to be charged with something, in order to emphasize that the general taking of life undermines the order of society.

mr. x
01-06-2004, 12:37 PM
i find it odd that when i make requests online like say "anyone know where i can dl such and such movie?" nobody responds

but this guy asks for someone to eat and he got like several...

Tao
01-06-2004, 01:44 PM
i find it odd that when i make requests online like say "anyone know where i can dl such and such movie?" nobody responds

but this guy asks for someone to eat and he got like several...
hmmm...guess the movies you were trying to download were too gross even for them!

rice cracker
01-06-2004, 01:47 PM
especially having your dick fried and served to you :eek:

I want hotdogs.

bluemonq
01-06-2004, 01:48 PM
Well, there's something to be said about having to charge him with something.
oh, you mean charge him with something. i wouldn't mind just that, but with the evidence, even though the guy consented, he's gonna get jailed because of the charge. maybe i'm sort of a libertarian at heart, but if you can prove the guy *did* really want to be eaten, then bon appetit. it's not my business what you and your dinner decide.

DragonKnight
01-06-2004, 02:22 PM
I want hotdogs.
Mustard? Relish? Ketchup? :biggrin:

TB4000
01-06-2004, 02:28 PM
LOL, the phrase "eat me" has enough naughty connotations alone as it is...this ain't helping matters.

Martino
01-06-2004, 02:39 PM
I want hotdogs.

At least by eating a German, you know what you are eating ... hotdogs could be anything ... and everything ...

rice cracker
01-06-2004, 02:40 PM
At least by eating a German, you know what you are eating ... hotdogs could be anything ... and everything ...

A bratwurst? :confused:

Martino
01-06-2004, 02:59 PM
A bratwurst? :confused:

Bratwurst is Bavarian for '57 varieties of animal testicles'.

Possibly.