unemployed graduates unite!

[kasia]

are you guys still in your pj's? sitting in front of the comp and applying for jobs?

this sucks big time.

i can't wait til i get a job. it's hard not to give up.

[ellsworth81]

thought you had one? :confused:

are you guys still in your pj's? sitting in front of the comp and applying for jobs?

this sucks big time.

i can't wait til i get a job. it's hard not to give up.

[Kuchana]

are you guys still in your pj's? sitting in front of the comp and applying for jobs?

this sucks big time.

i can't wait til i get a job. it's hard not to give up.

You can say that again :frown: I applied for 10 positions today man! Arghhhh. My head friggin hurts.

[kasia]

You can say that again :frown: I applied for 10 positions today man! Arghhhh. My head friggin hurts.

good job! 10 is quite an accomplishment. i hate tailoring our cover letters to their company/firm. such a hassle.

i don't have a permanent position anywhere, ellsworth.

[ellsworth81]

good job! 10 is quite an accomplishment. i hate tailoring our cover letters to their company/firm. such a hassle.

i don't have a permanent position anywhere, ellsworth.

my bad.

cover letters suck. makes you wonder if they even read it sometimes .......

[ellsworth81]

You can say that again :frown: I applied for 10 positions today man! Arghhhh. My head friggin hurts.

what 10 positions? i'm too lazy to search for my own.

please :tongue:

[kasia]

that's the thing - is it really worth it to pay $40 a month to a headhunter? there's no guarantee, right?

[Kuchana]

good job! 10 is quite an accomplishment. i hate tailoring our cover letters to their company/firm. such a hassle.

Thanks :smile: You have no idea the pain I went through hehe :biggrin:
Cover letters suck :frown:


what 10 positions? i'm too lazy to search for my own.

please

Err...too many :biggrin: You lazy bum :tongue:

that's the thing - is it really worth it to pay $40 a month to a headhunter? there's no guarantee, right?

Beats me. Never tried one. You have to pay them??? :eek: Gah.

[kasia]

some resources:

Popular Sites

100 Hot Sites
www.100hot.com (Links to job sites)

Monster Board
www.monster.com

Headhunter
www.headhunter.net


Selected Legal Employment Sites

Law.com Texas
www.texlaw.com

Law.com
www.callaw.com

Nation Job Network Legal Listings
www.nationjob.com/legal

Legal Employment Search Site
www.legalemploy.com (Links to job sites)

Paralegal Job Listings
www.paralegalclassifieds.com

National Association of Legal Secretaries Job Bank
www.legalstaff.com

The Law Forum
www.lawforum.net

Hieros Gamos Legal Employment Site
www.hg.org/employment.html

Law Info Employment Center
www.lawinfo.com

Attorney Jobs
www.attorneyjobs.com (subscription based)

Career Education Institutes
www.internships-usa.com (subscription based)

Emplawyernet/LEXIS-NEXIS
www.emplawyernet.com (subscription based)

FindLaw Job search
http://careers.findlaw.com

BCG Attorney Search
www.bcgsearch.com

Hire Trends
www.hiretrends.com

Lawyers Weekly
www.lawyersweeklyjobs.com (outside CA)

Lateral Attorneys
www.lateralattorneys.com

Lawmatch
www.lawmatch.com (subscription based)


Legal Employer Info

Martindale Hubbell
www.martindale.com

www.martindalehubbell.com

Law Office.com/West Group
http://directory.findlaw.com

LawInfo
www.lawinfo.com


Other Employment Sites

America’s Job Bank
www.ajb.dni.us

Career Mgazine
www.careermag.com

Employment Guide
www.employmentguide.com

Job Options
www.joboptions.com

Job Network
www.jobnet.com (In PA/NY area)

Flipdog.com
www.flipdog.com

Resume Net
www.resumenet.com

Brassring
www.brassring.com

[yoMAMA]

I'm thinking about going to law school....

[Rogmok]

yeah.. head hunters don't do jack. I remember when i was looking for jobs, recruiters would call me up.. and 9 times out of 10.. i already found the job listing they were calling about and had submitted my resume weeks before.

[avs]

Yay! i've been unemployed since september.

[golden_buns]

I had to quit my job at the consulting company cuz I gotta start to do find ways to avoid getting enlisted in the Korean army by June.

It sucks to be hanging around doing nothing.

What sucks the most, is that I've gotten some job offers and there's some potential jobs lined up, but I can't take them immidiately until I sort my army thing.

[artsfartsyjanet]

i will be doing what you're doing if i can't work for a year at my new job. before i got my new job, i had to cater all of my cover letters too. it's a pain in the patootie.

[golden_buns]

are you guys still in your pj's? sitting in front of the comp and applying for jobs?

this sucks big time.

i can't wait til i get a job. it's hard not to give up.

I have the feeling that you'll get hired soon.

I don't know, it's just this hunch that I get from others. I had that same feeling with my brother and he just got hired by Capcom

[SunWuKong]

here's a pretty good site for searching for jobs in Asia - http://www.jobsdb.com

it's really difficult to get noticed at job sites. and with the bad economy right now, a lot of companies are being spammed with resumes up the yinyang. it's not as bad anymore as when i was looking for a job, but i was told by some recruiters and HR people that they were getting over a hundred resumes a day. i don't know if they were just bullshitting me but i wouldn't be surprised if that was true. your best bet is still to network with people you know in real life. get an alumni directory from your school. that may help, too.

[golden_buns]

here's a pretty good site for searching for jobs in Asia - http://www.jobsdb.com


Wow, that's a pretty good site.

The CEO from the company I was working for offered me to be transfered to Hong Kong for six months, to sort my army problem and then come back and work for him for another year.

It sounds interesting but I was getting paid very little at this company, and is not like the pay in HK would be any better.

[deez nuts]

Wow, that's a pretty good site.

The CEO from the company I was working for offered me to be transfered to Hong Kong for six months, to sort my army problem and then come back and work for him for another year.

It sounds interesting but I was getting paid very little at this company, and is not like the pay in HK would be any better.


better than nothing, right?

plus you get to meet some HK chicks.

oooooh yeah

[ellsworth81]

better than nothing, right?

plus you get to meet some HK chicks.

oooooh yeah
i hear they are a strange bunch.

[golden_buns]

better than nothing, right?

plus you get to meet some HK chicks.

oooooh yeah

I'm thiking about getting into grad school here in Korea. that's gonna buy me some time for the army thing, and I'll have more time for something that will send me abroad with a better pay than from my previous company

[kasia]

here's a pretty good site for searching for jobs in Asia - http://www.jobsdb.com

it's really difficult to get noticed at job sites. and with the bad economy right now, a lot of companies are being spammed with resumes up the yinyang. it's not as bad anymore as when i was looking for a job, but i was told by some recruiters and HR people that they were getting over a hundred resumes a day. i don't know if they were just bullshitting me but i wouldn't be surprised if that was true. your best bet is still to network with people you know in real life. get an alumni directory from your school. that may help, too.

thanks for the link, rad.

[DragonKnight]

are you guys still in your pj's? sitting in front of the comp and applying for jobs?

this sucks big time.

i can't wait til i get a job. it's hard not to give up.
My sister got a job offer a month BEFORE she finished her Master's in Nursing. She started a few days ago and is making a lot more than I'll ever will. :frown:

[ellsworth81]

My sister got a job offer a month BEFORE she finished her Master's in Nursing. She started a few days ago and is making a lot more than I'll ever will. :frown:

nursing is a hot place to be right now. *they* come to you with offers.

[pfc beansprout]

Wow, that's a pretty good site.

The CEO from the company I was working for offered me to be transfered to Hong Kong for six months, to sort my army problem and then come back and work for him for another year.

It sounds interesting but I was getting paid very little at this company, and is not like the pay in HK would be any better.


i'd do it....hong kong man..travel? experience is just as good as pay in my book...:D

[golden_buns]

i'd do it....hong kong man..travel? experience is just as good as pay in my book...:D

Yeah, but it's in Real Estate Consulting, it's ok but it's not my area of interest

[DragonKnight]

nursing is a hot place to be right now. *they* come to you with offers.
I came from a whole family of nurses. I'm the weirdo that went into IT and now moving over to education.

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

some resources:

Popular Sites

100 Hot Sites
www.100hot.com (http://www.100hot.com/) (Links to job sites)

Monster Board
www.monster.com (http://www.monster.com/)

Headhunter
www.headhunter.net (http://www.headhunter.net/)


Selected Legal Employment Sites

Law.com Texas
www.texlaw.com (http://www.texlaw.com/)

Law.com
www.callaw.com (http://www.callaw.com/)

Nation Job Network Legal Listings
www.nationjob.com/legal (http://www.nationjob.com/legal)

...

Brassring
www.brassring.com (http://www.brassring.com)
A lot of these sites aren't going to be very useful to you unless you're a potential lateral hire with at least 3 years of full-time, legal experience. So if you're a law student, you're just going to have to do what I'm doing and go with Martindale Hubble and LexisNexis and just snail mail the crap out of these people (and pray).

And if you're thinking of going to law school, I cannot emphasize this enough. Right now is the worst possible time to apply and be a law student. Never go during a bad economy if you can help it. The competition to get into a school and do well is way too tough for most people who aren't aching to be lawyers and just want to get a better job than what they have now. Too many people are applying on the advice of jackasses who went during the dotcom boom when any dink with a degree who was putting in a workmanlike effort was getting good offers because of the lack of real competition. Right now, jobs are not a certainty at all, even for Top 10 law school graduates. Even low paying clerkships and unpaid legal internships are hot commodities right now. Until the economy picks up, the money you plunk down on a legal education is more of a gamble that you'll make at least the curve and have sufficiently prestigious credentials to get hired. Since it's very far from a sure thing, you might as well do your best right now to time your entry into law well.

If you can, wait it out and study for your LSATs (since there's not much you can do to change your undergrad GPA after the fact). Even if the job might be too speak-and-spell for your tastes, increased private sector job experience can only help you if you're looking for a firm job. You'll be competing mostly against 26-30 year olds with several years of job experience anyway, so it's best not to stand out by being the obvious recent college graduate.

[lethal]

Most of my friends who went to law school did not have jobs at graduation. They had to take the bar and wait for the results before really hitting the job market and most ended up getting decnet jobs in the end after about 9 or 10 months after graduation.

[SunWuKong]

It sounds interesting but I was getting paid very little at this company, and is not like the pay in HK would be any better.

is this a multi-national firm? did he mention how much you'd be getting paid in HK? you might get paid more in HK, because HK's GDP per capita is higher than that of South Korea's GDP per capita. of course, that probably also means you'd be spending more money in HK.

[SunWuKong]

better than nothing, right?

plus you get to meet some HK chicks.

oooooh yeah
i hear they are a strange bunch.

fact:
before they're into you, they're financially high maintanence.
after they're into you, they're emotionally high maintenance.

[tazadar]

Most of my friends who went to law school did not have jobs at graduation. They had to take the bar and wait for the results before really hitting the job market and most ended up getting decnet jobs in the end after about 9 or 10 months after graduation.
If you passed the bar exam, what's preventing you from opening your own practice?

[darkguard]

That is why I don't study hard to become a mere worker Music is going to make me more than a bunch of salaryman Even people like eminem and bill gates don't have a degree

[mrazntre]

If you passed the bar exam, what's preventing you from opening your own practice?

Is this a real question?

These recently passed lawyers are just that and aren't necessarily businesspeople (Let's just assume that these are completely fresh college grads). Where would they get clients? I think these are the two main issues:

1) no clients
2) no business experience (how would they run a business?)

And then there's the whole initial capital for investment. I'm sure these "grads" will have made some sort of contacts during school, but I'm not sure that they'll have significant enough contacts to start a business.

[ellsworth81]

That is why I don't study hard to become a mere worker Music is going to make me more than a bunch of salaryman Even people like eminem and bill gates don't have a degree

you don't need to study hard to graduate.

bill gates didn't get there solely by luck. and rich rappers are pretty rare these days. the main thing i bet all successful ppl have is guts and initiative.

but don't aim too high like all the kids who think they will get into the NBA and drape their parents in bling.

the salaryman way is the stable, commonly treaded path. ppl do whatever suits them best.

what future income amounts are you predicting?

[golden_buns]

is this a multi-national firm? did he mention how much you'd be getting paid in HK? you might get paid more in HK, because HK's GDP per capita is higher than that of South Korea's GDP per capita. of course, that probably also means you'd be spending more money in HK.

I'm under Vigers which is headquartered in Hong Kong, so I could get transferes there, but the CEO has more ties with Knight Frank so he was planning to send me there. He was telling to not expect much pay from them cuz I'd be getting as an intern. And I've heard that housing in HK is mad expensive. Plus, I like real estate but is not the fiels in which I want to get into, so I think I should get into school study a bit more on financial management and try to see if I can get something in investment banking

[mrazntre]

bill gates didn't get there solely by luck. and rich rappers are pretty rare these days....

true. his dad is a lawyer. MAD money in washington. Bill Gates retains his dad's firm as one of the MANY lawyers for Microsoft.

[darkguard]

So I was right having a string of degrees is unnecessary
Just ask pete sampras, justin timberlake, kobe bryant and so on
whether studying for a degree is important in life

[mrazntre]

Pete Sampras can (well, could) serve aces like a crooked vegas dealer
Justin Timberlake can sing (or perform/entertain), whatever
Kobe Bryant can score 40

What can YOU do ?

So what are the odds of being one of them and of being just a normal person with a degree?

[ellsworth81]

Pete Sampras can (well, could) serve aces like a crooked vegas dealer
Justin Timberlake can sing (or perform/entertain), whatever
Kobe Bryant can score 40

What can YOU do ?

So what are the odds of being one of them and of being just a normal person with a degree?

yes, what's this talent you have? i am intrigued

[mrazntre]

yes, what's this talent you have? i am intrigued


I'm waaaaiiitiinnngggg........

[ellsworth81]

too bad he got banned

[mrazntre]

too bad he got banned

that's what happens when you're STUPID

[Yeahman]

are you guys still in your pj's? sitting in front of the comp and applying for jobs?

this sucks big time.

i can't wait til i get a job. it's hard not to give up.
hahaha. That post made me laugh because that's exactly what I do if I'm not watching TV. I've done quite a bit of reading though.

Anybody in NY/NJ that knows of tech job opennings please hook me up!

[mrazntre]

Don't give up guys. It's a depressing feeling not having a job, but if you give up you'll just be a loser. At least if you're actively looking for a job people can't talk smack on you.

[mr. x]

Pete Sampras can (well, could) serve aces like a crooked vegas dealer
Justin Timberlake can sing (or perform/entertain), whatever
Kobe Bryant can score 40

What can YOU do ?

So what are the odds of being one of them and of being just a normal person with a degree?

hehe and his examples go like this

white, white-wannabe-black, black

darkguard has skills in race whoring, trolling, purifying his blood

[kasia]

Is this a real question?

These recently passed lawyers are just that and aren't necessarily businesspeople (Let's just assume that these are completely fresh college grads). Where would they get clients? I think these are the two main issues:

1) no clients
2) no business experience (how would they run a business?)

And then there's the whole initial capital for investment. I'm sure these "grads" will have made some sort of contacts during school, but I'm not sure that they'll have significant enough contacts to start a business.

and the most important one:

3) no experience practicing law. i think it would be malpractice to represent a client in a given area of law even though you have no real past experience doing so. supervision is required.

[SunWuKong]

Don't give up guys. It's a depressing feeling not having a job, but if you give up you'll just be a loser. At least if you're actively looking for a job people can't talk smack on you.

yeah. but it's like you don't really even have a choice of giving up, unless you are rich enough to live without working. i mean, you might feel extremely discouraged and not put as much effort into it after a while, but the thing is, you have no money, you have all the time in the fucking world, what the hell are you going to do if you don't look for a job?

[kasia]

yeah. but it's like you don't really even have a choice of giving up, unless you are rich enough to live without working. i mean, you might feel extremely discouraged and not put as much effort into it after a while, but the thing is, you have no money, you have all the time in the fucking world, what the hell are you going to do if you don't look for a job?

be a bum. move home and ask pops for a credit card. and feel like a major loser.

[mrazntre]

yeah. but it's like you don't really even have a choice of giving up, unless you are rich enough to live without working. i mean, you might feel extremely discouraged and not put as much effort into it after a while, but the thing is, you have no money, you have all the time in the fucking world, what the hell are you going to do if you don't look for a job?

you ever heard of a show called "The simple life" ?

[mr. x]

you ever heard of a show called "The simple life" ?

either that or the paris hilton sex tape

if i were that rich id make my daughter work so she's not out doing sex tapes and shit

[damashii]

Take the CBEST and become a substitute teacher!:tongue:

[TyroneK(prettypretty)]

and the most important one:

3) no experience practicing law. i think it would be malpractice to represent a client in a given area of law even though you have no real past experience doing so. supervision is required.
Why would is be legal malpractice? You can practice law in any area as long as you've passed the bar. It's just a matter of representing yourself as an expert or experienced that comes into play. You don't need to be an expert in something to be a lawyer in it without specific state legislation requiring otherwise and there are very few law specialties that require that. It's a very general profession.

[kasia]

Why would is be legal malpractice? You can practice law in any area as long as you've passed the bar. It's just a matter of representing yourself as an expert or experienced that comes into play. You don't need to be an expert in something to be a lawyer in it without specific state legislation requiring otherwise and there are very few law specialties that require that. It's a very general profession.

have you taken your m.p.r.e.'s? you can't practice in any area just because you've passed the bar. you have to make a showing that - if you have no experience in a particular field - you have sufficient time to become knowledgable in that area of law or that you will associate yourself with an attorney with experience in that area.

[ellsworth81]

i'm gonna bump this, cuz i'm still lost and confused

[yoMAMA]

i'm gonna bump this, cuz i'm still lost and confused

don't give up, you'll get a kick ass job soon.

plus you went to michigan.....that's a prestigious school.

[hooligan]

Good luck Ells, you're going to be good. If anything, go back to school. I'm working full time at a research lab now, looking forward to more school.

[hkRT]

don't give up, you'll get a kick ass job soon.

plus you went to michigan.....that's a prestigious school.

That's right! Don't give up. It's a normal phase. You have what it takes. :smile:

[kimpossible]

i'm gonna bump this, cuz i'm still lost and confused

Pick a field you can reasonably make an entry to and let's see if we can together find a way to get you in there.

[archspeed]

Well, after graduation I pretty much went on a resume-sending spree. I think on average I sent about 60-70 a week. I got about 8-9 interviews out of them, and finally 3 job offers, one of which I took. It took me 3 months after graduation to land that job. Tech job, btw.

Job seeking is a number's game. Like dartboards you know. You throw a shitload of darts at the board, and one or two will end up in the bulls-eye. But you have to throw ALOT of darts.