Avoid Israeli women......

[younggiftedandblack]

Avoid Israeli women, foreign workers told

JERUSALEM — An Israeli company has required thousands of Chinese workers to sign a contract promising not to have sex with Israelis or try to convert them, a police spokesperson said today.

According to the document, male workers cannot come into contact with Israeli women — including prostitutes — become their lovers or marry them, spokesperson Rafi Yaffe said. He said there was nothing illegal about the requirement and no investigation had been opened against the company.

The labourers are also forbidden in the contract from engaging in any religious or political activity. Those who violate the agreement will be sent back to China at their own expense.

About 260,000 foreigners work in Israel, having replaced Palestinian labourers during three years of fighting. When the government first began to allow the entrance of the foreign workers in the late 1990s, ministers warned of a "social time bomb" caused by workers assimilating with Israelis.

More than half the workers are in the country illegally. Israeli police have increased efforts to deport those working without permits in light of high Israeli unemployment, which has reached 11 per cent in recent months.

Israeli advocates of foreign workers — who come also from Thailand, the Philippines and Romania — say they are held by employers in nearly slave-like conditions and their bosses frequently take their passports and refuse to pay them.

A spokesperson for the Labour and Social Affairs Ministry did not return calls requesting comment.

Link (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1072178838039&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968705899037)

[mr. x]

what the? convert? isnt that something China is supposed to say to other people?

[Emperor_Mike]

This bears a striking resemblance to a policy many European countries employed against the Jews throughout history.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Israel steals a page from Saudi Arabia's playbook. If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em!

[mr. x]

sheesh. israeli women are probly hardcore anyway. they pack

[AliBabaIncorporated]

what I don't get is, Judaism is supposed to be matrilineal. So why do the Israelis worry about foreign men stealing Israeli women? They should be worrying about foreign women stealing Israeli men ... I suppose it is not a religious consideration, but an ethnic one.

[nonamerasian]

Could it be a citizenship issue?

Not wanting these men to become potential husbands?

I know Israel has been examining their citizenship laws, but I’m not sure to which extent and if any company would concern themselves with such issues. . .But, it’s a thought.

[ModernLogic]

Pfsshh... is this even a problem? Has there been a growing trend of Chinese men going over to Israel banging Jew broads and converting them to.... uh... Confucianism?

[golden_buns]

What a bunch of hypocrits.

Isreal is so quick to bitch, whine, and cry foul for the smallest things. Yet they don't mind discrimination against others.

[Banana]

If I recall correctly, this is only the policy imposed by a company, not the state of Israel.

[dragonlord]

If I recall correctly, this is only the policy imposed by a company, not the state of Israel.

State of Israel isn't taking issue with this, nor are they returning calls...

[AliBabaIncorporated]

If I recall correctly, this is only the policy imposed by a company, not the state of Israel.
Well yes, but it kind of tells you something about the Israeli mentality that a company would even want to do something like this. This kind of action obviously increases their labor costs (workers would obviously much rather go work at any other company with the same wages but without such restrictive terms in the contract, meaning this company will have to raise their wages to keep attracting workers).

No company would do something so stupid as unnecessarily raising their labor costs unless they expected a corresponding benefit, such as in terms of their public image: "Patriotic Israelis, buy our products, we're the company who's saving Israeli society by not letting dirty gentile laborers fuck our princesses, unlike our uncaring competitors who only care about their profits!"

But would the Southern Poverty Law Center or Simon Wiesenthal Center ever complain about this? Of course not, they're too busy saying that anyone who questions the right of Israel to be a Jewish state is an "anti-semite."

[Banana]

Good points but maybe they ARE capitalizing on zealots to buy their products.

Or this company is run by highly religious individuals that feel they have a certain responsibility to their people/religion/country and they are more willing to bear the costs in order to do so.

I mean, is it an impossibility to consider that some would take a profit hit so they can press forward an agenda no matter how wrong it might be?

However, I do abhor the fact that this particular company keeps their "help" in near slave-like conditions. That is inexcusable.

[xazncrazinessx]

wtf is this? can someone please found out why the hell they issued this decree? i really have no idea wat 2 say abt this but would like to find out more but at tha same time we cant protest or do anythin as i figure those workers would rather have jobs then the right to diddle jewish chicks

[Green_Circle]

To be perfectly honest, Jewish women do kind of have a thing for Asian guys. The Jews definitely know this which is why we are having so much trouble with Jewish men castigating us Asian males.

[Blue dice]

This is more sad and pathetic than truly offensive. It's also deeply hypocritical when you consider the Jewish history of being discriminated against.

[Tao]

To be perfectly honest, Jewish women do kind of have a thing for Asian guys.
really? i haven't seen any of this here in the states....fuckers

[DragonKnight]

To be perfectly honest, Jewish women do kind of have a thing for Asian guys. The Jews definitely know this which is why we are having so much trouble with Jewish men castigating us Asian males.
Where? Bring me this Jewish woman with this Asian fetish. :biggrin:

[Materialist]

Although this probably is a serious issue, some of the replies to this are absolutely hilarious~ :biggrin:

[Green_Circle]

Tao and Dragonknight, you guys from New York and LA. Try to avoid the Jewish babes in cliques where there are strictly Jewish and no other people. Like a lot of those who hang at NYU in cliques. Same goes with LA. Brentwood and other areas where there are high concentrations of Jews even at UCLA they may clique up with too many of their own kind and can get caught up in strictly Jewish thinking. Go for the independent minded Jewish females( and there are lots). These are the ones who are intelligent and more worldly then many of the small minded types with the boring and small minded outlooks. It is among the latter that I have made really nice friendships with these females.

[Tao]

Tao and Dragonknight, you guys from New York and LA. Try to avoid the Jewish babes in cliques where there are strictly Jewish and no other people. Like a lot of those who hang at NYU in cliques. Same goes with LA. Brentwood and other areas where there are high concentrations of Jews even at UCLA they may clique up with too many of their own kind and can get caught up in strictly Jewish thinking. Go for the independent minded Jewish females( and there are lots). These are the ones who are intelligent and more worldly then many of the small minded types with the boring and small minded outlooks. It is among the latter that I have made really nice friendships with these females.
hmm..strange as it sounds, but I do see a lot of what you just said. I know this jewish girl who's really very nice and sweet, and seems to be very open minded and doesn't hang out in those cliques. if only she wasn't a year older than me...and not my chem ta :biggrin:

[Green_Circle]

I dunno about the chem ta but other than that, don't let 1 year age difference stifle what may become a really nice friendship. You may find out a lot of what makes her tick. Or you could come across as strictly political and ask her what is up with the terrible treatment we receive from her kind. Keep it in a joking way of course. I'm sure she'd be fun.

[deez nuts]

i love jewish chicks. they rock.

[SunWuKong]

well anyway, i think the basic idea is to preserve social homogeneity in Israel. they either don't want to or don't know how to deal with Chinese or half-Chinese half-Jewish people being integrated into Jewish society.

i doubt this will stop many Chinese people from going there, though. and historically, anti-miscegenation laws have never really stopped Chinese male labourers from marrying or having relations with local women in other countries. (might have deterred many, though)

[Green_Circle]

well anyway, i think the basic idea is to preserve social homogeneity in Israel. they either don't want to or don't know how to deal with Chinese or half-Chinese half-Jewish people being integrated into Jewish society.

i doubt this will stop many Chinese people from going there, though. and historically, anti-miscegenation laws have never really stopped Chinese male labourers from marrying or having relations with local women in other countries. (might have deterred many, though)

I once read an article about an upcoming model who had an Israeli pop and a Chinese mom. Wonder what the stats there break down as. Then they've had problems figuring where the Ethiopian Jews and other tribes fit in. They're still trying to find and define themselves.

Lest I forget, Jewish men have always, as of late, had a thing for Asian women and now they discover the same holds true about their own women in regards to Asian men. Their peoples could be dissolved from within 'coz you know who'd still be standing.

[mr. x]

green maybe some girls, but i dont think its fair to say that sooo many of them like asian guys

i mean theres Sarah Silverman.

[Green_Circle]

Oh fur shur. I've had the displeasure of being near some real assholes among them. I actually met two Israeli girls over the happy holidays. One who's ass I'd kick in a split second and the other was a total hottie, thru and thru. The hottie was the more recent and she left a very good taste in my mouth, in a manner of speaking, of course..

[mr. x]

Oh fur shur. I've had the displeasure of being near some real assholes among them. I actually met two Israeli girls over the happy holidays. One who's ass I'd kick in a split second and the other was a total hottie, thru and thru. The hottie was the more recent and she left a very good taste in my mouth, in a manner of speaking, of course..

elaborate, what were the assholes like?

Nathalie Portman's Israeli, that totally threw me off cuz iono, i guess she dont look "typically" jewish then again i duno what does

[AliBabaIncorporated]

green maybe some girls, but i dont think its fair to say that sooo many of them like asian guys

i mean theres Sarah Silverman.
Well an important thing to remember is that Israeli people are not anywhere near the same thing as American Jews, whether in terms of political attitudes or social customs. In some sense American Jews are even less close to Israelis than, say, ABCs to Chinese --- plenty of American Jews don't even have ancestors who came from Israel, but rather from Europe, whereas Israel is a melting pot all its own with a heavy Middle Eastern influence and only a small subset of people who share the same background as American Jews.

[mr. x]

i read that Bin Laden himself said that American Jews were a threat (in terms of lobbying power) cuz they believed in Israel more than Israelis did

[krome]

According to the document, male workers cannot come into contact with Israeli women — including prostitutes — become their lovers or marry them, spokesperson Rafi Yaffe said. He said there was nothing illegal about the requirement and no investigation had been opened against the company.

The labourers are also forbidden in the contract from engaging in any religious or political activity. Those who violate the agreement will be sent back to China at their own expense.

When the government first began to allow the entrance of the foreign workers in the late 1990s, ministers warned of a "social time bomb" caused by workers assimilating with Israelis.

Wow, I think the blatant hypocrisy and racism here is simply appalling. Israelis have a huge hand in the EU white s*x slave trade, yet Chinese laborers can't even come in contact with ANY Israeli women - including hookers??? Nor can they even practice their own religion freely? So, basically, they can work, collect a paycheck, and that's it. No social or cultural interaction WHATSOEVER. Kind of like subhuman animals. Wow. Looks like the Jews have learned ALOT from the Nazis. :eek:

I don't see white or European companies with an INSTITUTIONALIZED anti-miscegenation policy like this. Do such Israeli companies also have policies against miscegenation with whites, blacks or Hispanic immigrants? Or simply Asians? And what about Asian women? Many Jews have intermarried with trophy blondes or Asian women. Talk about a double-standard. China certainly has no anti-Jewish miscegenation policy - and in fact has historically welcomed Jews (Kaifeng) and harbored them during WWII. I mean, this is 2004 for god's sakes. How can even this happen? It's simply mind-boggling to me. Israeli Nazis!!!

I know this Jewish anti-Asian(male) bias is not just all in my head. I just see this pattern too damn repeatedly.

[kitty]

well... this doesn't really sit well with me. it is only one company, but then again Israel isn't doing very much to stop it. One thing we have to consider though is that the article mentions that the workers are (at least many of them) illegal immigrants. Many countries, including our own, don't have a problem taking away (withholding) basic 'rights' from illegals, with the argument that they shouldn't be in the country anyways.

I'm more unsure how a company hopes to enforce such a rule, and whether the law is actually breaking any 'constituional' (or equivalent) rights in Israel.

[krome]

^Policy is not specified only for illegal laborers tho - it's for all laborers. Well, I mean, only Chinese male laborers (legal or not). I guess it's ok for white Romanian laborers to consort with females and practice their religion. I guess Asian men are being singled out here. This is just revolting and reprehensible to me. I can't believe my tax dollars are going to support such a blatantly xenophobic and racist state. Welcome to the new Nazis. :mad:

He said there was nothing illegal about the requirement and no investigation had been opened against the company.

And give me a break - we have no such similar outright racist laws against illegal immigrants in our country. It's unthinkable here. There would be a national or global outcry.

[kitty]

^Policy is not specified only for illegal laborers tho - it's for all laborers. Well, I mean, only Chinese male laborers (legal or not). I guess it's ok for white Romanian laborers to consort with females and practice their religion. I guess Asian men are being singled out here. This is just revolting and reprehensible to me. I can't believe my tax dollars are going to support such a blatantly xenophobic and racist state. Welcome to the new Nazis. :mad:

He said there was nothing illegal about the requirement and no investigation had been opened against the company.

And give me a break - we have no such similar outright racist laws against illegal immigrants in our country. It's unthinkable here. There would be a national or global outcry.

I never said we did. *Our* government has a strong division (at least on the surface) of trying not to interfere in 'personal' stuff... but it's not as if our government holds itself above dictating who people can and cannot consort with. After all, only recently was gay sex deemed legal, and anti-miscegenation laws in the U.S. stayed on the books more recently than we would expect.

As far as illegals... I'm hardly trying to defend this company policy as a positive, but I don't think Israel has the same sense of constituional/civil rights as the U.S. does. So, of course, there's nothing 'illegal' about it -- should it be illegal? Of course, but we're using our own sense of a civilian's rights and applying it to another government. So, in that sense... it's hardly 'unthinkable', but certainly it's unjust.

Also, our society doesn't treat illegals as equal citizen's. Just read the thread about the driver's license issue in CA... I was actually shocked at the level of blatant racism that people on this board launched towards the illegal population -- all of which was defended as being justified since they were... in point of fact... illegal.

[golden_buns]

I bet if some Korean company ever did the same thing, the hole country would be bombarded on "remember the holocoust" movies and ads

[kitty]

Israeli advocates of foreign workers — who come also from Thailand, the Philippines and Romania — say they are held by employers in nearly slave-like conditions and their bosses frequently take their passports and refuse to pay them.

It was this paragraph that makes me think that this is more of an illegal immigration question -- or that Israel needs a Better Business Bureau or an ACLU... but more importantly, if these are legal immigrants, than they need to have some sense of what their constitutional rights are...

does Israel have a Constitution is the question for me.

[golden_buns]

does Israel have a Constitution is the question for me.

Thai, Filipino, and Romanian (most likely gypsies)...
Even if they have a constitution, who's will care?

[kitty]

Thai, Filipino, and Romanian (most likely gypsies)...
Even if they have a constitution, who's will care?

huh?

edit: doing some research right now. According to this URL, Israel does not have a written constitution.

http://www.roadtopeace.org/resources/governance/Israel_Constitution.htm

trying to figure out how this applies to a citizen's rights.

[golden_buns]

huh?

edit: doing some research right now. According to this URL, Israel does not have a written constitution.


Even if they had, how many people do you think would jump on the help for those who get discriminitated over there?

There's been even greater complains from the UN on Israel's treatment on palestinians and still what has Israel done? Just kick them out and bring Filipinos, Gypsies, Thais, and Chinese workers

Call me antisemite, but hipocrits like these deserve no respect. Yes I agree the holocoust was uncalled for, but after seeing them doing all this preaching and bitching about unfair treatment, and see them doing the same things that they complain about makes me sick to my stomach.

[kitty]

okay... according to some quick research, Israel is leaning towards a 'written' consitutional model... meaning that all the rights of a citizen will be written down in a constitutional form (a single document). That explicitly lists what is and what isn't legal as far as basic rights.

Israel, currently, though is in debate over what that constitution will be. Some believe they should adopt the Torah as their constitutional document, while others oppose that (because of the non-Jewish population in Israel). So... they currently have an 'unwritten' constitutional model... which means that some of the rights of the citizen's are documented in the form of basic laws, piecemeal into a sort of collected constitution, but many of a citizen's rights are passed down as unwritten traditions...

This is the way Britain is ruled, and isn't any better or worse than the U.S. model, but certainly very different. It means that while this treatment of the workers is obviously morally wrong, there is no written law prohibiting it, and until someone pursues the course to write it down, it isn't 'illegal'. Any lawmaker who wants to make a law about it, will have to fight traditional precepts (in this case, the belief that foreign influence will threaten the social unity of Israel)...

[kitty]

Even if they had, how many people do you think would jump on the help for those who get discriminitated over there?

There's been even greater complains from the UN on Israel's treatment on palestinians and still what has Israel done? Just take them out and bring Filipinos, Gypsies, Thais, and Chinese workers

America and the U.N. can put pressure on Israeli lawmakers. That's about all we can do... until you find someone in the Israeli gov't willing to take on the task.

my point is that it's a little more complicated than "oh look! Israel hates the Asian man!!"

[krome]

America and the U.N. can put pressure on Israeli lawmakers.
Lol, the US and UN are who created Israel in the first place - and the US is its strongest backer (http://forums.yellowworld.org//showthread.php?t=4542&page=2&highlight=palestine). According to Biblical propaganda, I mean, prophecy, Jerusalem must be in the hands of the Jews before the 2nd Coming. Bush and other American Judeo-Christian leaders want to ensure that self-fulfilling prophecy by force, come h*ll or highwater.

Yeah, UN pressure has done a lot of good... :rolleyes: See UN Resolutions against Israel (http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html). Keep in mind that Palestine isn't and never was part of the UN. They have no representation there. Hence, they keep getting screwed.

But let's just stick to the issue at hand here. No need to expand the scope looking for falsely justifying excuses. If Germany had just passed the same law, would you be so forgiving and apologetic? If not, then why do Jews always get such generous benefit of the doubt even when their actions clearly show undeniably otherwise?

[golden_buns]

my point is that it's a little more complicated than "oh look! Israel hates the Asian man!!"

I know what you mean. And the only problem is that any slight crtiticism on Israel, people call you racist and anti-semitist. But the best so far is to make people aware of these injustices.

Maybe in that way when they start to realize that no one buys that "ohh poor us, remember the holcoust, sniff..", then they'll start to change.

[nonamerasian]

To be perfectly honest, Jewish women do kind of have a thing for Asian guys. . .

You’re using your stereotype of Jewish women to reach your conclusion. What if the policymakers of this company are just using their stereotypes? What if their opinion is that Asian guys have a thing for Jewish women?

If that were the case, you can point at them and say that they are wrong for judging all guys based on a stereotype, but that would be a bit hypocritical.

[kitty]

Lol, the US and UN are who created Israel in the first place - and the US is its strongest backer (http://forums.yellowworld.org//showthread.php?t=4542&page=2&highlight=palestine). According to Biblical propaganda, I mean, prophecy, Jerusalem must be in the hands of the Jews before the 2nd Coming. Bush and other American Judeo-Christian leaders want to ensure that self-fulfilling prophecy by force, come h*ll or highwater.


Hmmm... conspiracy theory much. Why would Bush want a Jewish prophecy to fulfill itself? Even if there are those who are actively trying to create a Second Coming (I'm skeptical of that alone)... what would motivate Bush to go for that goal... and furthermore dedicate U.S. forces for that? What would the largely *Christian* United States stand to gain? (And don't Christians usually believe that any form of coming would be up to God?)


Yeah, UN pressure has done a lot of good... :rolleyes: See UN Resolutions against Israel (http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html). Keep in mind that Palestine isn't and never was part of the UN. They have no representation there. Hence, they keep getting screwed.

But let's just stick to the issue at hand here. No need to expand the scope looking for falsely justifying excuses. If Germany had just passed the same law, would you be so forgiving and apologetic? If not, then why do Jews always get such generous benefit of the doubt even when their actions clearly show undeniably otherwise?

Who's making falsely justifying excuses? I personally wanted to know why the police spokesperson was able to say that the policy 'wasn't illegal'. And now I think I know. I still think it's messed up.

I realize that the U.N. and the U.S. were influential in the formation of Israel as we know it. Thus, the U.S. should put pressure on the Israeli government (which it doesn't, on many issues for many reasons). Beyond that, I'm not sure what, legally, can be done. From what I understand of international law, Israel does have the right to treat their workers this way, as wrong as it is.

I do think Israel is given a large amount of leeway in its sovereignity, from many Western powers. But -- does that allow me to negatively generalize the entire global Jewish population as you have done? I think not.

[Green_Circle]

You’re using your stereotype of Jewish women to reach your conclusion. What if the policymakers of this company are just using their stereotypes? What if their opinion is that Asian guys have a thing for Jewish women?

If that were the case, you can point at them and say that they are wrong for judging all guys based on a stereotype, but that would be a bit hypocritical.

I think I'm kind of lost on the second sentence. Are you implying that I'm implying that these two groups(AM, JF) have a thing for each other? In my experience, it's true. They do.

[Tao]

I think I'm kind of lost on the second sentence. Are you implying that I'm implying that these two groups(AM, JF) have a thing for each other? In my experience, it's true. They do.
i think her point is that your experience shouldnt be used as a basis or measuring stick about jewish and asian relations.

[Green_Circle]

I did understand the word hypocrite. I don't understand how I'm one of those. Where did I say anthing that could even be misconstrued? It's simply a matter of people taking my post and running with it to make assumptions and other mistaken ideas. I do not cry 'racist Jews' because I know exactly where they're coming from(in this regard). And that's why I'm not a hypocrite. OK, I kind of like Jewish women and Israeli women but I know full well the thought processes of the Israeli men(in this regard) and you all should too. I didn't say that what they're doing is right but that I know where they're coming from.

[nonamerasian]

I thought you were of the opinion that the policymakers were wrong, yet you were willing to play into stereotypes of an entire group yourself when coming to your judgment.

I see both as wrong, with one perhaps leading to the other.

Defending one yet failing to understand the other would be hypocritical.

That's what my post was criticizing.

[Green_Circle]

I hope now you realize what I'm saying but somehow I don't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't have sent that last post. What these Israelis are attempting to do is create antimiscegentaion laws similar to ours at an earlier time. The birth of their nation precludes people who look like us. They have adopted the notion that blonde is beautiful and the White European form of beauty. So, ok. If that's what they like then why not let them have it? On the other hand, as I was trying to say, AMs and JFs have a thing for each other. I know it and they know it. (JMs) Perhaps you are squawking is because you certainly wouldn't want certain men(whatever their race may be?) denied to you. Is this the case? And you don't want to be hypocritical about it.

[Blue dice]

Hmmm... conspiracy theory much. Why would Bush want a Jewish prophecy to fulfill itself?
I don't agree with "prophecies" or hidden jew conspiracies or any other crap like that I do think that Bush's cabinet is VERY pro israel. They provide billions of dollars in aid to Israel. Matter of fact when Israel was having recent economic problems the U.S. offered a 3-4 billion dollar jumpstart package. Another thing, there are many prominent non elected Jews high up in Bush's cabinet. Deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz who basically did most of the penning of the current aggressive middle east "defense" policy and Richard Perle chairman of the defense policy board. I know Perle and possibly Wolfowitz both have ties to the Israeli Likud party which are far right Israeli conservatives that Benjamin Netanyahu ran under.
The Likud party advocates aggressive military action and occupation against Iraq, Iran, and Syria (sound familiar yet?) to preserve Israel's sovreignty.

Just about 99% of Israel's military hardware has American origins too. Either purchased directly or given to Israel under various arms deals. Then there's the U.S. stance against Israeli wrongdoings (various abuses against the Palestinian people) which are often ignored on the worldfront.

I recommend you watch this PBS frontline show on how American foreign policy was shaped by neoconservative ideals and how the unelected Wolfowitz/Perle both have a tremendous effect on the American people:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/view/

[Blue dice]

I hope now you realize what I'm saying but somehow I don't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't have sent that last post. What these Israelis are attempting to do is create antimiscegentaion laws similar to ours at an earlier time. The birth of their nation precludes people who look like us. They have adopted the notion that blonde is beautiful and the White European form of beauty. So, ok. If that's what they like then why not let them have it?
:rolleyes:

Let me change your post around a bit to say..


I hope now you realize what I'm saying but somehow I don't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't have sent that last post. What these Nazi Germans are attempting to do is create antimiscegentaion laws similar to ours at an earlier time. The birth of their nation precludes people who look like us. They have adopted the notion that blonde is beautiful and the White European form of beauty. So, ok. If that's what they like then why not let them have it?

Now see what's wrong with it?

It's hypocritical.

[nonamerasian]

I hope now you realize what I'm saying but somehow I don't think so. Otherwise you wouldn't have sent that last post. What these Israelis are attempting to do is create antimiscegentaion laws similar to ours at an earlier time. The birth of their nation precludes people who look like us. They have adopted the notion that blonde is beautiful and the White European form of beauty. So, ok. If that's what they like then why not let them have it? On the other hand, as I was trying to say, AMs and JFs have a thing for each other. I know it and they know it. (JMs) Perhaps you are squawking is because you certainly wouldn't want certain men(whatever their race may be?) denied to you. Is this the case? And you don't want to be hypocritical about it.

My opinion on that matter is exactly what I’ve written in this thread, so I’m not sure where that last part of your post came from.

If you had some Jewish fetish and thus wouldn’t be available to me, rest assured that I would not cry.

[kitty]

I don't agree with "prophecies" or hidden jew conspiracies or any other crap like that I do think that Bush's cabinet is VERY pro israel. They provide billions of dollars in aid to Israel. Matter of fact when Israel was having recent economic problems the U.S. offered a 3-4 billion dollar jumpstart package. Another thing, there are many prominent non elected Jews high up in Bush's cabinet. Deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz who basically did most of the penning of the current aggressive middle east "defense" policy and Richard Perle chairman of the defense policy board. I know Perle and possibly Wolfowitz both have ties to the Israeli Likud party which are far right Israeli conservatives that Benjamin Netanyahu ran under.
The Likud party advocates aggressive military action and occupation against Iraq, Iran, and Syria (sound familiar yet?) to preserve Israel's sovreignty.

Just about 99% of Israel's military hardware has American origins too. Either purchased directly or given to Israel under various arms deals. Then there's the U.S. stance against Israeli wrongdoings (various abuses against the Palestinian people) which are often ignored on the worldfront.

I recommend you watch this PBS frontline show on how American foreign policy was shaped by neoconservative ideals and how the unelected Wolfowitz/Perle both have a tremendous effect on the American people:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/view/

okay, regardless of what the MM.com refugees on YW would have you believe, I *do* notice the favouring that the current U.S. administration has towards Israeli policy. (I firmly believe that the U.S. should have been more critical of the Israeli gov't's dealing with the Palestinian rebels... helicopters and machine guns vs. rocks isn't fair as far as i'm concerned).

However, I draw the line at saying 'Look at the X number of Jews in influential positions! It's a conspiracy I tell you! A C-O-N-SPIRACY!! *froth at mouth*' as some are wont to do. Being a Jew does not automatically mean that you support Israel in all its forms and beliefs, and does not automatically mean you have the power to persuade the entire U.S. government to help you bring about the Second Coming or whatever it is that krome is arguing. Similarly, just because X person in X administration happens to be Jewish, doesn't mean that (s)he is automatically a rabid Zionist bent on global domination.

I *do* believe that because there are many Jewish Americans in the upper tiers of Big Business, the U.S. government has a tendancy to tread lightly around Jewish issues, globally, in an effort to not piss off the Jews on the homefront. Basically... I think it boils down to a capitalist greed -- Bush's administration is afraid of the money lost if it takes too firm a stance against Israel.

There aren't a bunch of Jews in a back room, secretly plotting to take over the world. It reminds me of a documentary I saw at the Holocaust museum, which included a *forged* document that was supposedly a record of a global Jewish conspiracy for world-domination -- while I hate the way 'anti-Semetic' is thrown around in our post-9/11 world, I think that the way Jews are blamed for single-handedly owning and controlling all of the U.S. is more anti-Semetic than entrenched in fact.

[kitty]

:rolleyes:

Let me change your post around a bit to say..




Now see what's wrong with it?

It's hypocritical.

While I see the hypocrisy of Green_Circle's comments, why do people think that including the words 'African American' in lieu of other things in a statement will automatically point out one thing and substituting the word 'Nazi Germany' will automatically make the example more clear?

It's just kind of an annoying tactic.

[Blue dice]

While I see the hypocrisy of Green_Circle's comments, why do people think that including the words 'African American' in lieu of other things in a statement will automatically point out one thing and substituting the word 'Nazi Germany' will automatically make the example more clear?

It's just kind of an annoying tactic.
Because it concerns anti-miscegenation laws and various other racial policies that were the bread and butter of Nazi Germany. It has everything to do with historical perspective.

[kitty]

Because it concerns anti-miscegenation laws and various other racial policies that were the bread and butter of Nazi Germany. It has everything to do with historical perspective.

I guess I just don't see what your post was trying to prove....

yeah, Nazi Germany had anti-miscengenation laws, but so did the U.S. and various other countries... I fail to see how the insertion of the words 'Nazi Germany' in your post really changed anything. The anti-miscegenation laws are still as wrong (to American sensibilities) when the Nazis did as with the Israelis doing it.

[Blue dice]

I guess I just don't see what your post was trying to prove....

yeah, Nazi Germany had anti-miscengenation laws, but so did the U.S. and various other countries... I fail to see how the insertion of the words 'Nazi Germany' in your post really changed anything. The anti-miscegenation laws are still as wrong (to American sensibilities) when the Nazis did as with the Israelis doing it.
Because Jews were once persecuted under the same racial policies and theories behind nazi anti-miscegenation. It's inherently more hypocritical coming from Jews who should know better based on fairly recent history. Also, just because other nations did it, it still doesn't make it less wrong.

[kitty]

Because Jews were once persecuted under the same racial policies and theories behind nazi anti-miscegenation. It's inherently more hypocritical coming from Jews who should know better based on fairly recent history. Also, just because other nations did it, it still doesn't make it less wrong.

yes. I realize the hypocrisy. I am merely pointing out that you could simply post as you did above, with better results, as far as making a point.

let me make myself clear: your post quoted Green_Circle, changed Jews to Nazi Germans (bolded), then you asked if that makes sense now. I'm saying that you haven't really proved anything, you've merely changed a word. Your argument of hypocrisy is sound (I agree with you!), I'm saying take the extra effort to actually make an argument rather than assume everyone will just associate Nazi with bad and then agree with you.

[DragonKnight]

What if their opinion is that Asian guys have a thing for Jewish women?
It's only Winona Ryder for goodness sakes! I swear, just her. And she's only half-Jewish. :tongue:

[Blue dice]

It's only Winona Ryder for goodness sakes! I swear, just her. And she's only half-Jewish. :tongue:
Why do people like winona so much? I always thought she looked rather pale and sickly to me.

[dragonlord]

It's only Winona Ryder for goodness sakes! I swear, just her. And she's only half-Jewish. :tongue:

Aw, brada! C'mon! I'd take Natalie Portman over Winona any day. And she's full Jewish too! :biggrin:

[DragonKnight]

Why do people like winona so much? I always thought she looked rather pale and sickly to me.
Waif-like body with nice boobies coupled with googly eyes and her quirky voice. She has a nice dorky aura about her. She looks kick-ass in short hair. *drool*

[DragonKnight]

Aw, brada! C'mon! I'd take Natalie Portman over Winona any day. And she's full Jewish too! :biggrin:
Feh, jailbait I say...JAILBAIT.

EDIT: I think she's more than legal now...still, I likes mah women closer to my age. :biggrin:

[Green_Circle]

Getting back to the original hypocrisy, you guys are automatically asuming that we are all like thinking(YW) and that is..left, PC..? And the assumption is that the Israelis are supposed to know better because of the Holocaust and such. They are as diverse as we are. You cannot assume that they have no right in thinking that they are superior and elitist and exclusive. Matter of fact, they could make a strong argument that they are(!) And I doubt that the Israeli and Jewish girls that I know are hardly the drafters or even supporters of these antimisc. drafts/laws. Matter of fact there could be tons of Jews who are against it. Don't you understand?

OK now I still don't understand what hypocracy you peeps are wagging fingers at. I'm not saying you guys make a poor argument but what the heck are you talking about? And Nonamer, you have me at a disadvantage since I don't know your dating proclivities but you think you know mine. I never said I liked Jewish girls exclusively. Matter of fact, I'm really curious about Hapa babes ever since I got played by the last one!

[Green_Circle]

It's only Winona Ryder for goodness sakes! I swear, just her. And she's only half-Jewish. :tongue:

Remember that rumor this past Fall about Winona and another Jewish girl, Alicia Silverstone, dating Asian guys? What's the deal on that?

[DragonKnight]

Remember that rumor this past Fall about Winona and another Jewish girl, Alicia Silverstone, dating Asian guys? What's the deal on that?
Just a rumor. I think that's about it. :confused:

[AliBabaIncorporated]

Hmmm... conspiracy theory much. Why would Bush want a Jewish prophecy to fulfill itself? Even if there are those who are actively trying to create a Second Coming (I'm skeptical of that alone)... what would motivate Bush to go for that goal... and furthermore dedicate U.S. forces for that? What would the largely *Christian* United States stand to gain? (And don't Christians usually believe that any form of coming would be up to God?)
It's fairly well documented that evangelicals have historically been the strongest supporters of Israel, largely because it represents return of Jews to their Biblical homeland. E.g. this site promotes one of the most popular series of evangelical fictional novels in the nation, Left Behind, which consistently hits the NYT best-seller list:
http://secure.agoramedia.com/leftbehind/index_leftbehind15.asp
5 compelling signs of the End Times in 2003

1) Israel claims her land.

The return of the Jewish People to Israel is the "super sign" of prophecy. The Bible predicts over and over again that the Jews must be back in their homeland for the events of the end times to unfold...continues.
Christians believe in (reinterpretations of) many Jewish prophecies, after all, that's what the entire Old Testament is about. And the main prophecy they're trying to fulfill with regards to Israel isn't Jewish at all, but Christian, from the book of Revelations. A few years back there was even a group of midwestern evangelical farmers trying to breed a pure red-colored bull for export to Israel (one of the preconditions for the end times).

[SunWuKong]

Christians believe in (reinterpretations of) many Jewish prophecies, after all, that's what the entire Old Testament is about. And the main prophecy they're trying to fulfill with regards to Israel isn't Jewish at all, but Christian, from the book of Revelations. A few years back there was even a group of midwestern evangelical farmers trying to breed a pure red-colored bull for export to Israel (one of the preconditions for the end times).

that's kind of funny. that means the fulfilling of a Christian prophecy is entirely in the hands of Jewish people. unless of course, Christians somehow force Jewish people to go "back" to Israel.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

aren't those strivings inherently selfish?

love,
prof. frink

Yes such actions would be deemed selfish, but that has little to do with the credibility of the religion simply due to personality-related flaws of certain followers of Christianity, although perhaps you may not have intended to attack the credibility of Christianity in the first place ^^

SWK: Hmm, well, arguably the fulfillment of any prophecy is in the hands (or at the dependency) of some group, and in this case it just happens to be the Jews. Doesn't really change anything and there really is no hint as to when this 'return to homeland' will really happen as far as I know. But it is my understanding that many Biblical prophecies have in fact been fulfilled and my belief as a Christian that it will just be a matter of time before the rest are also fulfilled.

[SunWuKong]

SWK: Hmm, well, arguably the fulfillment of any prophecy is in the hands (or at the dependency) of some group, and in this case it just happens to be the Jews. Doesn't really change anything and there really is no hint as to when this 'return to homeland' will really happen as far as I know. But it is my understanding that many Biblical prophecies have in fact been fulfilled and my belief as a Christian that it will just be a matter of time before the rest are also fulfilled.

well, it's just ironic given the relationship between Christians and Jews.

[nonamerasian]

It's fairly well documented that evangelicals have historically been the strongest supporters of Israel, largely because it represents return of Jews to their Biblical homeland. E.g. this site promotes one of the most popular series of evangelical fictional novels in the nation, Left Behind, which consistently hits the NYT best-seller list:
http://secure.agoramedia.com/leftbehind/index_leftbehind15.asp

Christians believe in (reinterpretations of) many Jewish prophecies, after all, that's what the entire Old Testament is about. And the main prophecy they're trying to fulfill with regards to Israel isn't Jewish at all, but Christian, from the book of Revelations. A few years back there was even a group of midwestern evangelical farmers trying to breed a pure red-colored bull for export to Israel (one of the preconditions for the end times).

Could these be the sentiments of just a fringe because I’m more acquainted with Christians preparing for the prophecies to fulfill themselves rather than trying to put it in their own hands?

(By the way, there are Jews who do feel Jews are fulfilling a prophecy by moving into Israel.)

[krome]

^ Bush administration and the Christian right:

the "bad guys" just happen to be the same ones whom LaHaye, the Christian right and their allies usually demonize: the United Nations, the Europeans, Russia, Iraq, Muslims, the media, liberals, freethinkers and "international bankers," all of whom team up with the Antichrist, who ends up heading the U.N. and moving its headquarters to Babylon, Iraq. The "good guys," of course, are Christian believers, Israel and a phalanx of 144,000 Jews who accept Jesus. (http://www.rollingstone.com/features/nationalaffairs/featuregen.asp?pid=2771)

This is NOT a joke conspiracy, folks. Far-fetched? I wish. No, Bush and his ilk ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS SHYT! So, better damn believe church is in bed with state here! :eek: Wizen the fvck up!

[Mr.Lum]

eh. fuck that illegal state.