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SunWuKong
01-02-2004, 04:11 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3360595.stm

Protesters keep up pressure in HK

By Francis Markus
BBC correspondent in China

Thousands of Hong Kong residents have marched to press the government for political reform and more responsive policies on economic issues.

The protest comes six months after 500,000 rallied against anti-subversion legislation that was later shelved.

Fighting for a directly elected chief executive and a legislature has become the main theme of the campaign.

But protest leaders acknowledge popular feeling has lost some heat and urgency since the massive 1 July rally.

The pro-democracy camp is seeking to prove that it was not just a one-off summer of discontent and political mobilisation.

But the economy has shown signs of slight improvement and the government has been forced to shelve the controversial legislation which caused the public outcry.

'Persistent in protest'

About 10,000 sat on the grass in Victoria Park for a rally at exactly the same spot where the June march began.

They listened attentively as speaker after speaker came out with strong calls for greater democracy in Hong Kong.

People are determined to show that the momentum has not gone out of the campaign, said Lee Cheuk Yan, who heads Hong Kong's trade union confederation which co-organised the protests.

"The people of Hong Kong want to show to the world that we are still persistent in our pursuit for democracy and our fight for democracy," he said.

Some of the protesters have been expressing anger at Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa's decision to name the maximum permitted number of appointed officials to district council posts, despite the strong showing of the Democrats in recent local elections.

Since then, among the array of political and economic grievances, demands for direct election of the territory's leader and its legislature by universal suffrage have grown louder.

The confidence of the Democrat camp has been boosted by their strong performance against pro-government parties in November's local elections.

They are hoping to build on that success in next September's polls for the legislative council.

It looks as if arguments about democratic reform will continue to dominate Hong Kong's agenda despite Beijing's warning that any changes must be approved by China.

Made in China
01-02-2004, 02:22 PM
I am going to Hong Kong in June-July, for two weeks, Then maybe 1 week to Peking.

Damn those Communist *Bleeps*! Trying to mess with little rich HK.

I am From Hong Kong :) Kowloon! Nine Dragons!

Martino
01-02-2004, 04:52 PM
I am going to Hong Kong in June-July, for two weeks, Then maybe 1 week to Peking.

Damn those Communist *Bleeps*! Trying to mess with little rich HK.

I am From Hong Kong :) Kowloon! Nine Dragons!


Is Peking still called Peking then?

Martino
01-02-2004, 04:55 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3360595.stm

Protesters keep up pressure in HK ...

Oh, this is the link I put up in my Foreign News Worth Reading thread (my first thread) .... :Op

SunWuKong
01-02-2004, 06:04 PM
I am going to Hong Kong in June-July, for two weeks, Then maybe 1 week to Peking.

Damn those Communist *Bleeps*! Trying to mess with little rich HK.

I am From Hong Kong :) Kowloon! Nine Dragons!

you sound just like the DPP. communist this, communist that.

SunWuKong
01-02-2004, 06:05 PM
Is Peking still called Peking then?

i don't know, but they certainly don't romanise the city's name as "Peking" in HK.

Made in China
01-02-2004, 07:57 PM
Peking Duck? I think the Beijing Duck sounds gimicky or w/e. Peking Ravioli (dumplings?)

For some reason, Shanghai people don't like Hong Kong people, because they think HK's time in the spot light is over, and its ShangHai's time to shine.

Shanghai got its Magnetic Train today. HK don't have that :( Thats Why I am going to Peking, not Shanghai.

bonsai
01-03-2004, 12:57 AM
New Hong Kong Protests Bolster 'People Power'
A high turnout for a democracy march keeps heat on leader Tung and puts Beijing in a bind.

By Mark Magnier, Times Staff Writer, 1.02.03

BEIJING — Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to Hong Kong's streets Thursday in support of democracy, strengthening a nascent "people power" movement that has given Beijing and its handpicked representatives headaches.

Although estimates of the crowd's size differed sharply — organizers pegged it at 100,000, the government 37,000 — even the smaller figure far exceeded expectations.

"I'm very pleased and impressed by the high turnout," said Richard Tsoi, one of the march's leaders. "It shows the Hong Kong people are very concerned about democracy."

Organizers were particularly heartened given recent improvements in the local economy. Beijing and its close allies in Hong Kong's government have made economic recovery a top priority since a July 1 pro-democracy rally attracted 500,000 normally apathetic residents, hoping that self-interest would outweigh people's interest in collective rights.

In recent months, Beijing has spurred investment in Hong Kong, opened the spigot of tourism from the mainland and reportedly slowed competing development projects in southern China.

Thursday's marchers were orderly, ambling from a park to the headquarters of Hong Kong Chief Executive Tung Chee-hwa's government. The turnout was bolstered by the bright, warm day.

Demonstrators included grandparents, parents pushing baby carriages and blocks of people representing local opposition parties waving red, green and yellow ribbons.

"I want to join the voice," said engineer Lee Tak Ming, 35. "I want the government to listen to us. They said they know our aspirations, but they are still doing the same old thing."

After the July political jolt and the November drubbing of his pro-Beijing party in district elections, Tung vowed to heed the tide and give residents more say.

Voters select only 24 of 60 district seats, and the chief executive remains an appointed official in a process that favors Beijing's preferences. Full, direct election of representatives is possibly years away.

Last week, Tung continued to read from what some characterize as Beijing's script by appointing 102 district council members rather than opening more seats to popular choice.

"The people sent a message, but he ignored it," said David Zweig, a social scientist at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. "The government's dragged its feet."

On Thursday, the Hong Kong administration repeated its vow to begin consultations on democratic reforms, although it provided no firm timetable. "The government will adopt an open and receptive attitude and encourage discussion," it said in a statement.

Arguably a more fundamental burr for many Hong Kong residents is Tung's clunky style and awkward political instincts, seen in his handling of the economy, the severe acute respiratory syndrome epidemic and a Beijing-backed anti-subversion bill.

"Tung is no good," said Ng Kwok Hung, 40, an accountant who joined the demonstration. "He should go and let us vote for our own chief executive."

Beijing, however, finds itself in a bind. While it has found itself in the strange position of lecturing Tung on democracy and might be questioning its choice, a sudden departure by the chief executive could embolden Hong Kong's democracy movement.

It also could mean a loss of face for the Chinese leadership, particularly former President Jiang Zemin, who appointed Tung.

Pro-Beijing Hong Kong leaders and the conservative business community are gambling that in the short term they will be able to keep the situation in check, said Sonny Lo, political science professor at Hong Kong University. "But in the long run, the situation is pretty shaky."

As a proposed 2007 date for direct elections approaches, Lo said, "I anticipate more demonstrations and even confrontations between demonstrators and police on the streets of Hong Kong."

China also must consider potential reverberations across the Taiwan Strait. Candidates in the run-up to Taiwan's March 20 presidential election might cite Hong Kong to bolster their argument that Beijing's "one nation, two systems" approach doesn't work — and that Taiwan should pursue a more independent course.

Tammy Wong in The Times' Hong Kong Bureau contributed to this report.

SunWuKong
01-03-2004, 04:51 AM
Peking Duck? I think the Beijing Duck sounds gimicky or w/e. Peking Ravioli (dumplings?)

oh i see. because in the US, they call the dish "Peking Duck", that's why you want to refer to Beijing as Peking. very clever.

AliBabaIncorporated
01-03-2004, 06:48 AM
there was a protest here? I'm staying on the island and I didn't even notice ... damn I'm out of it.

Martino
01-03-2004, 12:06 PM
there was a protest here? I'm staying on the island and I didn't even notice ... damn I'm out of it.

Where are you staying in HK?

SunWuKong
01-03-2004, 03:10 PM
there was a protest here? I'm staying on the island and I didn't even notice ... damn I'm out of it.

it was at Victoria Park.
so you're there already? damn you i'm jealous.