The Ulitmate IR Rant Thread

[kasia]

A Threatened Manhood?
Exploring the myth of the angry Asian male
By Joyce Nishioka

On Friday night U.C. Berkeley’s fraternity row whirls with activities. Music beats from within the houses, echoing out into the dark streets while women wearing tight tank tops -- despite the January chill -- prowl the scene. Lambda Phi Epsilon house sits on Warring Street, overshadowed by the more impressive two-story frat houses that surround it. But red, blinking lights strung across its awning, the murmur of chatter, and the sounds of pulsating music indicate a party.

Inside, beer is plentiful. Young, testosterone-driven men, wearing hip-hop style, baggy jeans and loose T-shirts or “wife-beaters” scurry to prepare for the mob expected to arrive after 10 p.m. The women, not quite relaxed yet, keep to themselves on one side of the room, while the guys check them out. But in a few hours -- once the beer kicks in -- the sexes will mingle, couples will find each other, and temporary bonds will form.

The scene is a familiar one for Cal’s elite fraternity society, in which white males comprise the majority of brothers in the campus’ 38 sponsored fraternities, despite the university’s 40-percent Asian American enrollment.

At Lambda Phi Epsilon, however, all the members are Asian American. And on Friday, none of the party-goers cross that color line. Korean American Raymond Kim, who helped organize the party, says that when it comes to coupling up, only Asian women will do. And up until a couple years ago, when he saw an Asian woman with a white man, his instinctive reaction was “sell-out.”

“It’s definitely harder for an Asian male to date a white female than for Asian females to date white males,” Kim says. “Asian males are not portrayed as masculine, whereas Asian females are stereotyped as submissive, exotic.”

The 22-year-old thinks that Asian American women in general have an easier time assimilating into the mainstream. While interviewing for a job with a consulting company, Kim, a senior, says that out of 60 finalists for employment, 15 Asian American women made the cut -- he’s the only Asian man. “In the first round, there were a lot of Asian males. White males would prefer hiring and working with Asian females over Asian males.”

During his freshman year, Kim dated a white woman. The relationship gained him respect from his Asian American male friends, he says, admitting that one of the reasons he went out with her “was a status thing.” And up until a couple years ago, he was impressed when he saw Asian man with a white woman. “I thought, ‘all right, he’s got a white girlfriend.’”

Fellow Lambda brother Kelvin Lin, 22, also prefers to date Asian American women. He notices subtle differences in how Asian women are treated as opposed to their white counterparts, especially by his non-Asian American peers. When he goes to clubs with his white friends, Lin says, he notices they’re more confident with Asian women, and their comments tend to have more sexual connotations.

“When they see an Asian girl, they say things like, ‘I want to get with her,’” Lin explains. “But when they see a Caucasian woman, they make more subtle comments like, ‘Oh, she’s pretty.’”

Though Lin feels uneasy when he sees an Asian woman dating a white man, he says he feels “guilty “ for judging the relationship based on stereotypes and his past experiences. Now, he tries not to be so critical. “As long as the guy is treating her right, I have no problem with interracial dating,” Lin concludes.

more here. (http://www.asianweek.com/2000_02_03/feature_asianmale.html)

[angel nympho]

Ugh. I used to buy into this whole thing a little bit before, but the more I hear people complain about it instead of doing anything about it, the more I think Asian guys are just convincing themselves that this is the case instead of going out and finding out for themselves.

“It’s definitely harder for an Asian male to date a white female than for Asian females to date white males,” Kim says. “Asian males are not portrayed as masculine, whereas Asian females are stereotyped as submissive, exotic.”
^-- Na uh. It's definately easier for ANY female to fare in a world full of HORNY MEN than for a man. Men aren't objectified the way women are. And I'm talking ALL women.

[SunWuKong]

just stop racialising the damn situation. these WAB (whiny asian boys) are only going keep devaluating themselves if they keep buying into this victim mentality of being desexualised by mainstream american society. yeah asian male image sucks in america, but no sane woman of any race is going to see Long Duc Dong in you unless you actually act like him. and for god's sake, they should go after some white women if they're so tired of the whole thing. i know zero asian american men in real life who would date non-asian women. and sure, there are asian women that refuse to date asian men. but why the hell do you want to waste your time or effort chasing after them or even complaining about them anyway? there are plenty of asian women that actually do the reverse - refuse to date non-asian men.

whatever. i'm so sick of this "woe is me i'm an asian male" attitude. if you really can't get any, then go find yourself some woman in asia. there are plenty there.

[ChairmanMah]

yes, i actually agree w/ you for once.
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white women can be trophies just as any other type of women.
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this Asian male unable to get caucasian women is another topic discussed to death.

either you got it or you don't.

a girl isn't gonna come at you if you're not out and willing to get at it.
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i just go out get pissed w/ my boys, and something alway eventually comes around.

as long as their are clean and cute they're game.

[applehead]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

shut up you stupid frat boy.
blah blah blah blah..
what did you say again?

[ChairmanMah]

wab's are lame.

you bring me down, w/ your depressigng lecture.

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Feb 27 2003, 08:56 PM
yes, i actually agree w/ you for once.
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white women can be trophies just as any other type of women.
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this Asian male unable to get caucasian women is another topic discussed to death.

either you got it or you don't.

a girl isn't gonna come at you if you're not out and willing to get at it.
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i just go out get pissed w/ my boys, and something alway eventually comes around.

as long as their are clean and cute they're game.
good that we agree! :)

[MellowDrama]

Wow, talk about your topics that have been beaten to death, resurrected, then beaten to death again! :o

[himura-dono]

i agree with swk and *feels dirty* chairman mah :o

[himura-dono]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Feb 27 2003, 06:05 PM
Wow, talk about your topics that have been beaten to death, resurrected, then beaten to death again! :o
x1 billion

[kasia]

i think my question is, primarily, whether any of you view white women as trophies.

[MellowDrama]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 27 2003, 08:08 PM
i think my question is, primarily, whether any of you view white women as trophies.
Oh ok, I think it woulda been better if you just asked that question instead of posing that long whiny article that did absolutely nothing. Me personally, no, women are women.

But I know of some AM with the whole WF trophy mentality. In fact, I have some in my extended family. :unsure:

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 27 2003, 09:08 PM
i think my question is, primarily, whether any of you view white women as trophies.
i see women who has nice looking boobies and a nice looking butt as trophies.

[kasia]

Originally posted by MellowDrama@Feb 27 2003, 06:11 PM
Oh ok, I think it woulda been better if you just asked that question instead of posing that long whiny article that did absolutely nothing. Me personally, no, women are women.

But I know of some AM with the whole WF trophy mentality. In fact, I have some in my extended family. :unsure:
well, the article seems to be trying to explain why white women would be seen as trophies.

btw, why is there SO much literature out there about asian males stereotyped to be asexual which resultingly affects their dating life when...i have YET to meet one asian guy in real life or on-line who will admit or state that this is true.

[ChairmanMah]

my first two gf's were white. my second one was a model.

at first a friend was like finding it hard to believe that i could get someone like her. That gave me lots of confidence.

i didn't even know she may have been viewed as my model trophy until someone told me on the internet.

now i look back and there were some pissed off guys.

[ChairmanMah]

every guy wants the hott chick no matter what race. end of story.

[golden_buns]

I'm sick and tired of hearing this subject, especially from some guys who claim they're "all that" on the net. If a guy doesn't see himself as a loser then he won't project that image to others. And most likely women of any color will find that appealing.

[golden_buns]

i think my question is, primarily, whether any of you view white women as trophies

About a 6 years ago I would have told you YES.

[angel nympho]

If Asian guys are allowed to view white women as trophies, I think people should stop bitching about white guys who view asian girls as trophies. As a girl, all that whining just amounts to me actually WANTING to exclusively date white guys just so I dont have to listen to it.

[ism]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 27 2003, 09:08 PM
i think my question is, primarily, whether any of you view white women as trophies.
No.

Actually, sometimes felt that when I dated white women that's how they viewed me...

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Feb 27 2003, 06:47 PM
every guy wants the hott chick no matter what race. end of story.
We're all meat. Meat on display, that's how I see it.

[AliBabaIncorporated]

not all that interested in white chicks.

[himura-dono]

Originally posted by golden_buns@Feb 27 2003, 06:52 PM
I'm sick and tired of hearing this subject, especially from some guys who claim they're "all that" on the net. If a guy doesn't see himself as a loser then he won't project that image to others. And most likely women of any color will find that appealing.
i like you :D

[SunWuKong]

Originally posted by kasia@Feb 27 2003, 09:16 PM
btw, why is there SO much literature out there about asian males stereotyped to be asexual which resultingly affects their dating life when...i have YET to meet one asian guy in real life or on-line who will admit or state that this is true.
shit, i didn't even know this was a problem until i started surfing the web (yes kids, in the olden days, the internet did not exist - gasp! :)).

who the hell knows. either it's really not a problem, or WABs (whiny asian boys) are too chicken to voice their complaints.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 27 2003, 08:06 PM
shit, i didn't even know this was a problem until i started surfing the web (yes kids, in the olden days, the internet did not exist - gasp! :)).

who the hell knows. either it's really not a problem, or WABs (whiny asian boys) are too chicken to voice their complaints.
I never saw it as a problem either. I have better things to worry about than whether or not my white friend's dick is going to a yellow pussy each night.

[Commando_turned_MD]

Originally posted by SunWuKung@Feb 27 2003, 05:49 PM


whatever. i'm so sick of this "woe is me i'm an asian male" attitude. if you really can't get any, then go find yourself some woman in asia. there are plenty there.
I hate those dam WAB too........Bitch and whine too damn much......
"I cant find any asian girls"...........yada......yada.........yada............ ..
Boo-fucking--hoo.........................

I'm dating a white chick....I prefer a white chick....The Asians girls I've met are always too reserve....Feel embarrass talking about sex...........Oh yeah, ...I also like blonde fur pie :P

Status symbol.......Nope....

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by angel nympho@Feb 27 2003, 07:12 PM
If Asian guys are allowed to view white women as trophies, I think people should stop bitching about white guys who view asian girls as trophies. As a girl, all that whining just amounts to me actually WANTING to exclusively date white guys just so I dont have to listen to it.
it's a sad sexist world, woman

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by ChairmanMah@Feb 27 2003, 06:47 PM
every guy wants the hott chick no matter what race. end of story.
true that

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by golden_buns@Feb 28 2003, 05:14 AM
it's a sad sexist world, woman
What are you talking about....? My post didn't have anything to do with gender...

[teaz0r]

i like rich guys.
i like rich easy to manipulate guys even better =)

[Hanuman]

My last girlfriend was white. I was her trophy.

My current girlfriend is asian, we're each other's trophies.

[tapestrybabe]

Originally posted by AliBabaIncorporated@Feb 27 2003, 10:25 PM
not all that interested in white chicks.
but how about like a hapa chick...
who looked far more white... but considered herself and identified herself as an asian instead??

or are you initally just going by pure looks alone??

[Napoleon Chynamite]

In terms of pure looks alone, I prefer Asian and Hispanic women over white women. To me even the hottest white girls cannot compare, although if you asked me 8 years ago I would've said sumthin really different.

[mr. x]

if you wanna "love" a white girl thats fine, but if this is just a hooking up thing (the guy admitted it was a status thing) then its bullshit really

[Chinkaholic]

I seem to attrack white males. <_<

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by Chinkaholic@Mar 1 2003, 12:50 AM
I seem to attrack white males. <_<
I'm attracted to you.

*wink, wink*

[deez nuts]

Originally posted by Chinkaholic@Mar 1 2003, 12:50 AM
I seem to attrack white males. <_<
Did chinkaholic mean attract or attack white males?

[teaz0r]

i seem to attract scums of the planet.
and i'm always attracted back :cry:

[golden_buns]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 1 2003, 06:00 AM
i seem to attract scums of the planet.
and i'm always attracted back :cry:
hey babe. ;)

[kangal]

Originally posted by Chasiubao_Boy@Mar 1 2003, 07:46 AM
Did chinkaholic mean attract or attack white males?
thats a good new word i think i'll start using....attrack....

[angel nympho]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 1 2003, 02:00 PM
i seem to attract scums of the planet.
and i'm always attracted back :cry:
I hear ya.

[Fireblade]

Originally posted by pipSy@Mar 1 2003, 06:00 AM
i seem to attract scums of the planet.
and i'm always attracted back :cry:
Sorry pip.
*wipes scum off his back*

Actually cor would kill me if that were the case. :D

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I want to attract Turkish and Venezuelan women instead of the highway patrol.

[kimpossible]

Why do articles like this always put dating options in terms of either Caucasian or Asian? As if there are no other options.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

Originally posted by Hello_Hapa@Mar 8 2003, 10:46 AM
Why do articles like this always put dating options in terms of either Caucasian or Asian? As if there are no other options.
It's just like how articles that report academic statistics just compare white with black or hispanic. B/c our nerdy bookworm asses rule their shit, that's why.

[mr. x]

cuz blacks and hispanics are thought of as dating exclusively black and hispanic

i honestly cant remember the last time i saw a black with a white (male or female combination)

[Blue dice]

My friend sent me this link to a well known white supremacist site at
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=85032&page=3&pp=15

In a nutshell they mentioned the disparity of WM/AF relationships and they viewed it with a sense of distaste. These pieces of trash basically vsee it as asian women acknowledging white men as "superior" and choosing to disregard their own culture/heritage. In a way it reinforces their own twisted views of inferiority/superiority of races. Sadly, I have a feeling there are many asian women who wouldn't mind dating a hardcore white racist who would use them for this type of propaganda. I hate to say it but after reading this thread and some of the poster's claims about the number of asian women throwing themselves at skinheads (of all people) it's pretty disturbing. Many of the white supremacist's extended families also adopted asian children which is also fairly shocking. I can't even imagine the abuse these kids will go through when they get older.

The whole thread is about adoption but you get somewhat of a grasp about what they are talking about. I know this topic is done to death but it's rare that we see what some "white" people really think about these interracial relationships with asians.

edit: I take what these morons say with a grain of salt but even at the heart of extremism I see some grains of common "truth" in how mainstream America perceives asians.

[kimpossible]

The whole thread is about adoption but you get somewhat of a grasp about what they are talking about. I know this topic is done to death but it's rare that we see what some "white" people really think about these interracial relationships with asians.

edit: I take what these morons say with a grain of salt but even at the heart of extremism I see some grains of common "truth" in how mainstream America perceives asians.


Oh come on blue dice, now you know you can't expect a neo-nazi group to speak for mainstream aka 'white' America.


In a nutshell they mentioned the disparity of WM/AF relationships and they viewed it with a sense of distaste. These pieces of trash basically vsee it as asian women acknowledging white men as "superior" and choosing to disregard their own culture/heritage. In a way it reinforces their own twisted views of inferiority/superiority of races.

Keep in mind that they are more against the creation of my kind because people like me taint the white race.


Sadly, I have a feeling there are many asian women who wouldn't mind dating a hardcore white racist who would use them for this type of propaganda. I hate to say it but after reading this thread and some of the poster's claims about the number of asian women throwing themselves at skinheads (of all people) it's pretty disturbing.

Before I address this, are you deep down honestly telling me that you truly believe that many Asian women would happily date hardcore white supremacists?

[Tao]

Bahahahahaha, I like this guy's post:

"My aunt and uncle adopted two Chinese girls, and to tell you the truth, I wanted white ones. But then again, who doesn't? If only they had more money, I could've had Russian cousins.

Now the two are like princesses. They got more stuff now (they're in their toddler years) than I ever got in my entire lifetime. They're spoiled rotten, and I'm also worried about when they will start to date. Will their boyfriends be Asian or white? They better not be white. I would'nt want another white family to suffer."

[Ogumo]

These people are extremists. Their views should not be taken seriously. But I agree there probably are girls that would not care to help with this form of propaganda.

[YuheiCarreau]

Well, if there's one thing that'll ruin my day, it's knowing that a bunch of skinheads disapprove of me.

[Ogumo]

Bahahahahaha, I like this guy's post:

"My aunt and uncle adopted two Chinese girls, and to tell you the truth, I wanted white ones. But then again, who doesn't? If only they had more money, I could've had Russian cousins.

Now the two are like princesses. They got more stuff now (they're in their toddler years) than I ever got in my entire lifetime. They're spoiled rotten, and I'm also worried about when they will start to date. Will their boyfriends be Asian or white? They better not be white. I would'nt want another white family to suffer."

I was laughing at this as well. I thought it was ridiculous.

[kimpossible]

I've always wanted to register on one of these places and scream in big bold caps

I LOVE WHITE WOMEN. GIVE ME YOUR WHITE WOMEN!

[Ogumo]

There is alot of other ridiculous shit on that site...

[coagulated fat]

My friend sent me this link to a well known white supremacist site at
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=85032&page=3&pp=15

In a nutshell they mentioned the disparity of WM/AF relationships and they viewed it with a sense of distaste. These pieces of trash basically vsee it as asian women acknowledging white men as "superior" and choosing to disregard their own culture/heritage. In a way it reinforces their own twisted views of inferiority/superiority of races. Sadly, I have a feeling there are many asian women who wouldn't mind dating a hardcore white racist who would use them for this type of propaganda.

Oh well if you have a feeling

I hate to say it but after reading this thread and some of the poster's claims about the number of asian women throwing themselves at skinheads (of all people) it's pretty disturbing.

I don't understand why you would believe those claims over any of the other claims posted by those members. It is disturbing, though.. my favorite post is this:

"The thought is revolting-I feel physically ill. Why on earth should a healthy and racially aware Aryan couple adopt/foster an alien child.?It would be like a viper in the bosom. A snake within the cradle. Why do the Zionists work for them? We must preserve our own race and not others or we are totally doomed to perish."

His choice of words makes me laugh.

[Faithless]

I thought stormfront was the toilet bowl of the internet, and anything dragged from their was like sticking one's hand in a toilet bowl of shit. :MrT_anim:

[Tao]

i found it weird how they didn't casually use racist slurs like chink or gook when describing the adopted asian kids. And no one said the N word either! is it just me, or have these storm front people become sellouts?

[Faithless]

i found it weird how they didn't casually use racist slurs like chink or gook when describing the adopted asian kids. And no one said the N word either! is it just me, or have these storm front people become sellouts?

The moderators have indicated that people must play nice -- even though they may be Turner Diary devotees.

[Blue dice]

Oh come on blue dice, now you know you can't expect a neo-nazi group to speak for mainstream aka 'white' America.

[/b]
I dont think these extremists do but at the bottom of their rhetoric there is a kernel of "truth" when it comes to what many mainstream white people think about interracial coupling. Why do you think the pairings tend to reflect racial stereotypes? Why are black women less likely to date outside their race..(mainly because black women are shown as consistently being less attractive than white women etc.) why are black men sought after by many white women.. (black men are portrayed as oversexed, masculine, popular media stars) All very interesting observations. Maybe media plays a role in this but it does seem to indicate that mainstream america buys into how race defines the reasons why an individual may seek to have interracial relationships.

Keep in mind that they are more against the creation of my kind because people like me taint the white race.

I have no doubt about this, but the current interracial media attitudes certainly does reinforce their worldview. This idea that asians pine to emulate and are ultimately subservient to white people and that black men are all after white women etc.

Before I address this, are you deep down honestly telling me that you truly believe that many Asian women would happily date hardcore white supremacists?

From a white supremacist on the site:


Yeah, tell me about it. Ever since I got to college a year ago I've had nothing but Chinese and Flip girls all over me! ughhh! I dated some white girls in high school but all the ones in college are a bunch of lefties who are too busy protesting one thing or another to bother with a business student like me. It sickens me!


You tell me? I've seen other posts on that board expressing similar experiences. I wouldn't believe it either unless i've seen it with my own eyes before. There does seem to be an attitude that in order to be accepted in American society you must be racist against your fellow asians. In order to fit in some asians may in fact become "racist" against their own people to try and become white. It's the ultimate in self loathing but it does happen. As sad as it may seem I do believe it happens much more than we would like to admit.

[Blue dice]

I don't understand why you would believe those claims over any of the other claims posted by those members.
Because i've seen asian women date white guys who badmouth asians all the time but who still don't think twice about hitting some of that "slant pussy." I'm not saying all interracial pairings are like this but it's possible to be a complete racist and still fuck someone of a different ethnicity. In a lot of these guys minds they justify it as "conquest" and not really as having a serious relationship. It's a big game, why do you think they get all offended when they see someone of _insert race_ dating white women? They want to believe that they are superior males, ie. it's a viewpoint that's encouraged in American culture. In otherwords it's ok for us to sleep with your women but we'll hang you if you sleep with ours etc.. it's disgusting and primitive but that is the mindset.

[mr. x]

i found it weird how they didn't casually use racist slurs like chink or gook when describing the adopted asian kids. And no one said the N word either! is it just me, or have these storm front people become sellouts?

thats the thing, the nazis have realized that to be taken seriously they need to speak articulately, that means no slurs

they wanna sound more like manifesto then hate speech

u know im sick of people going "dude chekc out what stormfront said"

i dont give a fuck, they are NAZIS

[SunWuKong]

moving to sex & health

[shy]

I dont think these extremists do but at the bottom of their rhetoric there is a kernel of "truth" when it comes to what many mainstream white people think about interracial coupling.

i just think we have to be carefull in that when tackling a problem about interracial relationships and asian issues, we're not also making other generalizations about other cultures.

it then becomes a back and forth thing and no one wins in the end.

as for "kernel of 'truth'", in my personal oppinion, i've only known a few bad apples that think that way. the majority of non-asians i come across are very progressive in the way they think when it comes to interracial dating.

it's not even a big deal... it's just seen as two people who dig each other and are dating...

what's more important is whether or not these two people's personalities compliment each other.

anyway, i understand what you're saying... but personally, i think this topic is so overdone here. it's becoming repetitive and everything's been said. ;)

[SunWuKong]

There does seem to be an attitude that in order to be accepted in American society you must be racist against your fellow asians. In order to fit in some asians may in fact become "racist" against their own people to try and become white.


i want to say this in the nicest way possible, but... if you really believe this attitude exists, then you have problems. there are certain Asian people that have a distaste for things and people Asian, but that hardly means that "in order to be accepted in American society you must be racist against your fellow Asians".

[kimpossible]

You tell me? I've seen other posts on that board expressing similar experiences. I wouldn't believe it either unless i've seen it with my own eyes before. There does seem to be an attitude that in order to be accepted in American society you must be racist against your fellow asians. In order to fit in some asians may in fact become "racist" against their own people to try and become white. It's the ultimate in self loathing but it does happen. As sad as it may seem I do believe it happens much more than we would like to admit.

Well BD, unless you are whiter than me I most likely have more experience with 'mainstream' America as a whitey than you do. I've said many times that Asians don't really know how racist white people can get because they don't hear the comments I hear when said racist white person decides no one 'Asian' is in the room or the stupid things white people say to my face because I'm a 'safe' version of Asian to approach because my skin is like theirs.

I'm not saying only white people are capable of this, but I'm addressing blue dice's question as to whether or not I believe or have seen with my own eyes that stormfront.org, a white supremacist organization, represents the kernel of truth in the minds of the average white American, and if many Asian women (as was cited by the white supremacist and blue dice) flock to these neo-nazi men.

1) No. I don't think the average white person holds the opinions represented on Stormfront. I don't think the average white person gives much thought to your race while they wait on you, work with you...

2) You don't have to lecture me about Asian women shacking up with racist white men and becoming white-washed to feel better about themselves. Those would be my parents you're describing. I know it happens and I'm quite aware of that the Asian male gets shafted socially. It took me seven years to deprogram my husband from American media bullshit that he was too short, too dark, his hair too course and shiny, he wasn't cool... but to say it's many Asian women flocking to white supremacists? No, I challenge the usage of the many in this case. I can find examples of the much ballyhooed 'AF Sellout" easily enough but I know far more Asian women married to Asian men than Asian women married to white men and I know zero Asian women married to white supremacists.

I feel your frustration but I also feel it weakens our stance overall if we start equating a white person with a white supremacist.

[kimpossible]

i dont give a fuck, they are NAZIS

exactly

[Napoleon Chynamite]

I'm guessing that even the biggest sellout AF's wouldn't fuck white guys if they knew that they were hardcore racists, but the thing is that a lot of AF's who are indeed 'sellouts' view their white boyfriends as more liberal, open-minded, successful, etc. (regardless of the truth, because chances are he probably won't show it) not to be confused with healthy AF/WM relationships.

[kimpossible]

I don't think anyone would argue against that hube, but one point of contention here is what is 'many' Asian women who would have no problems dating not just a racist guy or an asiaphile but an actual uncloseted KKK sort of supremacist? You qualified it down to 'many who are sellouts' which doesn't equal many Asian women in general.

[Blue dice]

I'm guessing that even the biggest sellout AF's wouldn't fuck white guys if they knew that they were hardcore racists, but the thing is that a lot of AF's who are indeed 'sellouts' view their white boyfriends as more liberal, open-minded, successful, etc. (regardless of the truth, because chances are he probably won't show it) not to be confused with healthy AF/WM relationships.
That's the problem right there..

Asian males are lumped into one category of person while the common perception is that white people are to be viewed as individuals. People of color in this country carry the baggage of racial/cultural identity and all the associated stereotypes even if they were raised here.

Then again, most of the time these racists don't go around announcing who they are or what their intentions are. Like I said i've met plenty of white guys who talk a lot of shit about asians (especially against asian males) but on one hand they will surpress their racist tendencies to bang various women. Pussy and political ideology is often separate as long as they don't plan on marrying the woman. It's sad but true, but most guys know what the game is.

It's just viewed as getting some "gook pussy" to them. Like I said i've seen the sentiment expressed before and women fall for it which is disturbing.

[Blue dice]

I don't think anyone would argue against that hube, but one point of contention here is what is 'many' Asian women who would have no problems dating not just a racist guy or an asiaphile but an actual uncloseted KKK sort of supremacist?
Except quite a few of the guys chasing asian women are the sort that want a traditional woman to boss around or act as their footstool. Aside from being wallflowers many asian women are stereotyped as submissive sexually promiscuous types who need a chivalrous white knight (the media and society reinforces this notion) which is a green light for scumbags aplenty. Many of the same guys who want this type of woman are the type of people who have had no luck with white women who are on actual equal social footing. White women who are social equals see through their transparent shit but asian women are more likely to go for it because it's viewed as stepping up on the social ladder. In a way this is validating everything the racists say about interracial pairings. That asian women find asian men inferior and seek white men to climb social ladders. They also say that black men do similar things when they date white women.

Unfortunately, some asians allow themselves to be exploited in this fashion because it's viewed as "acceptance" when in reality it's just an extension of a stereotype.

[Tao]

That's the problem right there..

Asian males are lumped into one category of person while the common perception is that white people are to be viewed as individuals. People of color in this country carry the baggage of racial/cultural identity and all the associated stereotypes even if they were raised here.

Then again, most of the time these racists don't go around announcing who they are or what their intentions are. Like I said i've met plenty of white guys who talk a lot of shit about asians (especially against asian males) but on one hand they will surpress their racist tendencies to bang various women. Pussy and political ideology is often separate as long as they don't plan on marrying the woman. It's sad but true, but most guys know what the game is.

It's just viewed as getting some "gook pussy" to them. Like I said i've seen the sentiment expressed before and women fall for it which is disturbing.
I've come to accept that as a consequence of living in america. not much you can do without sounding like a whiny guy who can't get a date (supposedly), and if you do talk too much about it, people will get turned off by you; the person preaching. So I chose not to do it anymore. these people can get all the "asian pussy" they want. Frankly my philosophy is that if the girl can't see through the game, then it's her problem. She got used, tough cookie. Her personal life, and sexual welfare is not my concern......ever (unless we're talking about relatives or loved ones here). As for strangers and regular friends, you know what? they'll learn it the hard way.

[Blue dice]

I've come to accept that as a consequence of living in america. not much you can do without sounding like a whiny guy who can't get a date (supposedly), and if you do talk too much about it, people will get turned off by you; the person preaching. So I chose not to do it anymore. these people can get all the "asian pussy" they want. Frankly my philosophy is that if the girl can't see through the game, then it's her problem. She got used, tough cookie. Her personal life, and sexual welfare is not my concern......ever (unless we're talking about relatives or loved ones here). As for strangers and regular friends, you know what? they'll learn it the hard way.
I just want to understand what lies down the road for some of these relationships. I believe interracial diversity and greater multicultural integration is America's _inevitable_ future but the way it's done is so flawed and exacerbates the existing racial caste system in America. I wonder what the product of these marriages (the children) will end up like. Will they learn to loathe themselves as much as their parents? What if an WM/AF ends up having a son who looks predominately asian, will they reinforce their negative worldview on him too?

This is the type of hypocrisy we live in. I'm not against interracial relations at all and i've said it before but it is rather disgusting when you peel away the thinly disguised reasons for why some people actively seek to validate themselves with it.

[kimpossible]

Except quite a few of the guys chasing asian women are the sort that want a traditional woman to boss around or act as their footstool. Aside from being wallflowers many asian women are stereotyped as submissive sexually promiscuous types who need a chivalrous white knight (the media and society reinforces this notion) which is a green light for scumbags aplenty. Many of the same guys who want this type of woman are the type of people who have had no luck with white women who are on actual equal social footing. White women who are social equals see through their transparent shit but asian women are more likely to go for it because it's viewed as stepping up on the social ladder. In a way this is validating everything the racists say about interracial pairings. That asian women find asian men inferior and seek white men to climb social ladders. They also say that black men do similar things when they date white women.

Unfortunately, some asians allow themselves to be exploited in this fashion because it's viewed as "acceptance" when in reality it's just an extension of a stereotype.

blue dice - let's cut this to the quick because we're dancing in circles and to be quite honest i don't feel our core values and viewpoints on the matter in general are that divergent. let me map out how i agree with you so you hopefully realize i'm not out to 'win' this argument.

First, you're preaching to the choir. I'm the literal offspring of such Asian women who see white males as social stepping stones and as a female of at least partial Asian descent I've been approached by the white asiaphiles you've observed. I completely agree that it happens, for fuck's sake I'm the living proof it happens. Not just one generation did it happen in my family but two. That's not exactly a glamourous heritage to own up to on an Asian American political website but I feel comfortable with the identity because it's true.

Let me make this unequivocal: I've read the above statement of yours and not only agree that it happens, I can validate your observations with highly personal and extensive experience.

I feel you have every right to be angry and I was set to let you vent about it unfettered for quite a while as long as you didn't insult anyone too much. You've gotten a lot more specific from your earliest statement which I still claim was too general and outlandish. I still disagree that the average Asian woman in the US would happily flock to an out and proud white supremacist. I still disagree that a group of neo-nazis accurately represents mainstream America.

To me, what you described above is the average white Asiaphile. Not necessarily limited to hardcore white supremacists. I think Asiaphiles represent a greater number of guys after the 'AF sell-outs' than the average neo-nazi. Asiaphiles are excited about the idea of having mixed race children because they get to see the fantasy of themselves mixed with Asian blood made real. Neo-nazis abhor race mixing.

If you want to know even more about a relationship like this, as in what it's like on the inside, I have no problems answering questions. Usually I'm pretty honest even it's embarassing to admit. On the other hand if you want to just vent without having to debate just say so (civilly, please) and I'll back off.

[Tao]

but it is rather disgusting when you peel away the thinly disguised reasons for why some people actively seek to validate themselves with it.
well yeah, but you gotta remember that most people aren't really out to harm another race. you have to give people the benefiet of a doubt first...otherwise you'll be a very grumpy young man.

[deez nuts]

I've come to accept that as a consequence of living in america. not much you can do without sounding like a whiny guy who can't get a date (supposedly), and if you do talk too much about it, people will get turned off by you; the person preaching. So I chose not to do it anymore. these people can get all the "asian pussy" they want. Frankly my philosophy is that if the girl can't see through the game, then it's her problem. She got used, tough cookie. Her personal life, and sexual welfare is not my concern......ever (unless we're talking about relatives or loved ones here). As for strangers and regular friends, you know what? they'll learn it the hard way.

true true i agree.

that almost made me tear, no really...almost.

[Tao]

If you want to know even more about a relationship like this, as in what it's like on the inside, I have no problems answering questions. Usually I'm pretty honest even it's embarassing to admit. On the other hand if you want to just vent without having to debate just say so (civilly, please) and I'll back off.
I'm curious about what that kind of relationship is like on the inside.....frankly i've never had the opportunity.

[Tao]

true true i agree.

that almost made me tear, no really...almost.
i'll pretend you didn't say the c- word and continue to think of you as the essence of testosterone.

[deez nuts]

essence of testosterone.

i should bottle that and sell it, somehow.

[kimpossible]

that almost made me tear, no really...almost.

was your bottom lip quivering?

[Blue dice]

I feel you have every right to be angry and I was set to let you vent about it unfettered for quite a while as long as you didn't insult anyone too much. You've gotten a lot more specific from your earliest statement which I still claim was too general and outlandish. I still disagree that the average Asian woman in the US would happily flock to an out and proud white supremacist. I still disagree that a group of neo-nazis accurately represents mainstream America.

I'm not saying all white people are racist or would hold the views popular on stormfront but it pisses me off that skewed interracial statistics are being used to reinforce their agenda. The sad thing is many asians have a hand in making this stereotype a living breathing reality. This is what pisses me off the most, self loathing asians making it worse for everyone and in a off-hand way supporting the agenda of blatant racists.

To me, what you described above is the average white Asiaphile. Not necessarily limited to hardcore white supremacists. I think Asiaphiles represent a greater number of guys after the 'AF sell-outs' than the average neo-nazi. Asiaphiles are excited about the idea of having mixed race children because they get to see the fantasy of themselves mixed with Asian blood made real. Neo-nazis abhor race mixing.

Depends on what degree of asiaphile.. i've met the typical military types who go to asian countries just to sleep with boatlands of women. It's basically recreational and the women are treated like prostitutes (in some cases they really are.) The other types i've seen are the ones who harbor the superiority (racist) complex over asians in general but seek to marry/date asian women because they are viewed as "controllable" to them. Usually these are the abhorent individuals who are shunned by the rest of society but still manage to carve a niche by dating asians. I'm going out on a limb here but i'm guessing your parents were the latter version I mentioned?

If you want to know even more about a relationship like this, as in what it's like on the inside, I have no problems answering questions. Usually I'm pretty honest even it's embarassing to admit. On the other hand if you want to just vent without having to debate just say so (civilly, please) and I'll back off.
Sure, i'd like to know what it was like growing up in that type of environment. Did your parents encourage you to marry/socialize with white people? I know one filipino girl who comes right out and claims white people are superior. It's one of the most self denigrating comments i've heard but it just shows how far some people have descended into voluntary slavery.

In some ways I feel like leaving this country. As it is I barely feel a part of it most of the time. With the recent political climate and the shitty economy I think it'll happen sooner than later. Fuck America.

[Ogumo]

In some ways I feel like leaving this country. As it is I barely feel a part of it most of the time. With the recent political climate and the shitty economy I think it'll happen sooner than later. Fuck America.


Perhaps this is the best answer for you is to leave america.

[ChairmanMah]

most white guys i know like AF but most have complained that AF don't like them.

One dude even said that i was lucky to be an Asian Guy because I'm Asian so therefore I can get them easier.

I think most any white/black guy just wants to get some chink bitches or slanted pussy. They all have some degree of asiaphilic tendencies.

I don't think it's completely their fault for being physically attracted to a female. What i have a problem with is these guys who actually intentionally degrade "asian sluts and whores" to fulfill their own sick fantasies.

Just a little of my insight into what goes on in a guy's mind.

[SunWuKong]

Asian males are lumped into one category of person while the common perception is that white people are to be viewed as individuals. People of color in this country carry the baggage of racial/cultural identity and all the associated stereotypes even if they were raised here.


if you are referring to how Asian women character judge Asian men, then you've grossly underestimated them.

[Blue dice]

Perhaps this is the best answer for you is to leave america.
I know you were being sarcastic with your reply but it's the truth. Asians are barely perceived as being "American" here and the racist media/attitude here sucks. As it is, I was pissed when I said that i'd probably remain if only to add my voice of dissent in order to hope for change.

[ChairmanMah]

"I know one filipino girl who comes right out and claims white people are superior."

i heard that from filipinos several times. Losers.

[Blue dice]

if you are referring to how Asian women character judge Asian men, then you've grossly underestimated them.
Note: I did not say all asian women but it does seem to be a rather popular attitude within some social circles. It's hard to go against it when the media/society enforces that particular viewpoint.

[Tao]

i heard that from filipinos several times. Losers.
really? why? did they develop this idea by themselves or was it more of a common practice?

[SunWuKong]

I know you were being sarcastic with your reply but it's the truth. Asians are barely perceived as being "American" here and the racist media/attitude here sucks. As it is, I was pissed when I said that i'd probably remain if only to add my voice of dissent in order to hope for change.


i don't know if he was being sarcastic, but i'm not being sarcastic when i suggest that you try living in Asia. i know that sounds like a comment like "go back to China", but this is coming from the perspective of an Asian person who has lived in Asia before, so i'm not trying to tell you that you don't belong in America.

[SunWuKong]

Note: I did not say all asian women but it does seem to be a rather popular attitude within some social circles. It's hard to go against it when the media/society enforces that particular viewpoint.


ok. and in some social circles, Asian women would only date Asian men.

[SunWuKong]

Except quite a few of the guys chasing asian women are the sort that want a traditional woman to boss around or act as their footstool. Aside from being wallflowers many asian women are stereotyped as submissive sexually promiscuous types who need a chivalrous white knight (the media and society reinforces this notion) which is a green light for scumbags aplenty.


a lot of people say this but honestly i have never seen this tendency in non-Asian guys who are with Asian women. from my observation, most of those non-Asian guys go out of their way to learn about their women's ethnic cultures.

[kimpossible]

I'm not saying all white people are racist or would hold the views popular on stormfront but it pisses me off that skewed interracial statistics are being used to reinforce their agenda. The sad thing is many asians have a hand in making this stereotype a living breathing reality. This is what pisses me off the most, self loathing asians making it worse for everyone and in a off-hand way supporting the agenda of blatant racists.


Well bd, I'm just goint to let you feel your anger on this one. I'm not going to deny this exists and I'm not going to deny an Asian man his anger about it.


Depends on what degree of asiaphile.. i've met the typical military types who go to asian countries just to sleep with boatlands of women.

Yeah I was going to mention degrees but I thought it made sense only to me.

The other types i've seen are the ones who harbor the superiority (racist) complex over asians in general but seek to marry/date asian women because they are viewed as "controllable" to them. Usually these are the abhorent individuals who are shunned by the rest of society but still manage to carve a niche by dating asians. I'm going out on a limb here but i'm guessing your parents were the latter version I mentioned?


Hapa Disclaimer: I'm only speaking for myself and not claiming to represent every mixed race Asian person out there, so don't yell at me.

For the most part I would say yeah. My mom was the only Asian girl in town (the town was very small) so it's not like my dad dated Asian women serially but he has a really fucked up idea of what Asian culture is and I would classify him as racist, even towards me. It's this weird mixture of ignorance, mockery and American elitism he has towards Asian culture. Though I will say that he has never put down an Asian man or thought of them as inferior. He adores my husband and really admires him on a... 'manly' basis. Hard for me to feel that stuff since I'm a chick.

I can't answer this completely because my mother was the only non-white girl my dad had dated. However, like I said he has some really fucked up ideas about Asians in general but surprisingly didn't have the hate on Asian men.


Sure, i'd like to know what it was like growing up in that type of environment. Did your parents encourage you to marry/socialize with white people?


I think my dad had an idea of who he wanted me to date/marry and it was probably someone who matched his idea of strong, old-fashioned and conservative which translated into white Republican. But most fathers of any ethnicity have an idea of who they want their daughter to marry. So my point there is I don't think my parents discouraged me from dating anyone in particular due to race. My best friend was white/flip and that was never even an issue.


In some ways I feel like leaving this country. As it is I barely feel a part of it most of the time. With the recent political climate and the shitty economy I think it'll happen sooner than later. Fuck America.

Join the club. That's why I'm vacationing in Australia and New Zealand, to check out life there.

[Ogumo]

I know you were being sarcastic with your reply but it's the truth. Asians are barely perceived as being "American" here and the racist media/attitude here sucks. As it is, I was pissed when I said that i'd probably remain if only to add my voice of dissent in order to hope for change.

No no. If the americans have been that ridiculous to you maybe you should find another country? Or atleast another place in america to live.

[ChairmanMah]

really? why? did they develop this idea by themselves or was it more of a common practice?

I'm not sure. but it sure is annoying.

[shy]

I've come to accept that as a consequence of living in america. not much you can do without sounding like a whiny guy who can't get a date (supposedly), and if you do talk too much about it, people will get turned off by you; the person preaching. So I chose not to do it anymore. these people can get all the "asian pussy" they want. Frankly my philosophy is that if the girl can't see through the game, then it's her problem. She got used, tough cookie. Her personal life, and sexual welfare is not my concern......ever (unless we're talking about relatives or loved ones here). As for strangers and regular friends, you know what? they'll learn it the hard way.

i agree with you, tao.

as harsh as reality can be sometimes, why spend so much energy worrying about other people's mistakes? the way i see it, i try to be a good person and hope that i'm leading by example... racist snots out there, i just don't have time for. unless i see them engaging in violence, the truth is... these 'asian women' who are being fooled by them will learn a much better lesson through their own experience. and once they survive their lesson, they will be a stronger person for it.

how can we shelter them? we can't... nor are we truly helping them by doing so.

[shy]

I know you were being sarcastic with your reply but it's the truth. Asians are barely perceived as being "American" here and the racist media/attitude here sucks. As it is, I was pissed when I said that i'd probably remain if only to add my voice of dissent in order to hope for change.

sorry you're so down about this. but i hope you get over this period of anger. trust me... the more you keep on being bitter, the more you allow yourself to be victimized. you're talking to some one w/ years of experience here...

my personal story, if i may...

i was in an abusive (emotionally and physically) relationship with a caucasian dude who only wanted an asian woman for her physical characteristics, and yet dissed her culture.

i was young. very young, btw...

and though you characterized the traditional asian women being the victims... i beg to differ and ask you to reconsider the generalizations that you are making. for i was never traditional nor submissive. blind, yes, but not all those others things.

so four years later, i finally had the guts to leave his sorry ass.

NO ONE... especially those that preach in bitterness as yourself, could have shook me out of that nightmare i was in. in the end, strangely enough, i'm somewhat glad i learned the lesson on my own.

so... instead of being so angry and bitter... i'd suggest you take your energy and make it more usefull. something that will actually be more effective and make a difference.

not to say that you're not allowed to rant every now and then... you're human, after all. but i mean... don't get stuck in the ranting business. i've seen other do it and they never get anywhere.

just my two cents.

[Tao]

I can't answer this completely because my mother was the only non-white girl my dad had dated. However, like I said he has some really fucked up ideas about Asians in general but surprisingly didn't have the hate on Asian men.

really? is that even possible? i can't really picture that kind of a situation.....seems like a blatant contradiction.....like jumbo shrimp or something. How can someone have fucked up ideas about asians, and not think lowly of asian men?

[himura-dono]

In a nutshell they mentioned the disparity of WM/AF relationships and they viewed it with a sense of distaste. These pieces of trash basically vsee it as asian women acknowledging white men as "superior" and choosing to disregard their own culture/heritage.

wait, isn't this the exact same thing most AM's say about AF/WM? i find that an odd coincidence :p

[kimpossible]

really? is that even possible? i can't really picture that kind of a situation.....seems like a blatant contradiction.....like jumbo shrimp or something. How can someone have fucked up ideas about asians, and not think lowly of asian men?

Well, he's never had a bad word to say about Asian men. He never referred to them as feminine or incapable or weak... never.

But shit like telling me my feet were small because my ancestors bound their feet and making me watch Shogun and Sayanara so I could quote-unquote learn about my heritage.

I think he thinks he was being respectful. He's a honkey, I think he was trying to do what he thought was right. Problem is he was clueless. Sorry if I'm doing a shitty job explaining, but unless you have a clueless honkey daddy some of this may just not make sense.

[DaMuo]

really? is that even possible? i can't really picture that kind of a situation.....seems like a blatant contradiction.....like jumbo shrimp or something. How can someone have fucked up ideas about asians, and not think lowly of asian men?

I don't know if it is a contradiction. In my opinion, a person can have totally fucked up ideas about asians because he/she generally lumps asians as a whole culture and the perception of culture is from the outsider in. Read, probably watched Shogun or Tai-Pan one to many times.

However, I think when it comes to white guys thinking asian man lowly -- I don't get that feeling at all. C'mon... Bruce Lee kicks everybody's ass. And look at how well asian kung fu movie do especially with male leads in the US male 14-35 demographics. They may not understand the culture, but when it's merit based pretty much in any other cultures when it comes to gender issues.

I believe you have to think of it as two separate axis: culture & gender.
I do not think they are dependent on each other.

I have a white father-in-law and he does not have the first clue about what Chinese culture is about; but we speak as equal and it doesn't hurt to stick to subjects that require a lot of chest thumping.

My $0.02.

People can indeed have fucked up ideas about asians and not think lowly of asian men.

[deez nuts]

"I know one filipino girl who comes right out and claims white people are superior."

i heard that from filipinos several times. Losers.

to be perfectly honest, i've heard this being said a lot by filipinos, especially by the filipino women.

[SunWuKong]

really? is that even possible? i can't really picture that kind of a situation.....seems like a blatant contradiction.....like jumbo shrimp or something. How can someone have fucked up ideas about asians, and not think lowly of asian men?


i think it's the difference between having opinions of someone you personally know and having opinions about a culture of people whom you are not personally familiar with.

[golden_buns]

NO ONE... especially those that preach in bitterness as yourself, could have shook me out of that nightmare i was in. in the end, strangely enough, i'm somewhat glad i learned the lesson on my own.


That's exactly what I think. That's why I'm saying that all this preaching is just a waste of time. People never learn until they experience it no matter how many times they hear it

[Deadpool]

Its pretty sad when you live in a country that has so much hang ups and preconcieved notions about race that you pretty much have to turn the other cheek and ignore it.

[SunWuKong]

Its pretty sad when you live in a country that has so much hang ups and preconcieved notions about race that you pretty much have to turn the other cheek and ignore it.


that's one way to look at it. but everything is through perceptions. i personally don't think it's as bad as some people think it is. i don't agree that people's opinions, especially Asian women's opinions, are so overwhelmingly mentally effected by bad media representation in Hollywood. and the fact that certain people keep proclaiming that Asian men are pretty much victims in American society just shows me that those people are trapped in their own preconceived notions of race.

[golden_buns]

that's one way to look at it. but everything is through perceptions. i personally don't think it's as bad as some people think it is. i don't agree that people's opinions, especially Asian women's opinions, are so overwhelmingly mentally effected by bad media representation in Hollywood. and the fact that certain people keep proclaiming that Asian men are pretty much victims in American society just shows me that those people are trapped in their own preconceived notions of race.

Also, if you take a look at what David Duke and racist organizations have to say about asians, it seems that we're not in the top of their list as an immediate target.
Doesn't mean that we should stay quite when a violation of our rights takes place but things aren't as grim as some fellow asians make it look.

[shy]

Its pretty sad when you live in a country that has so much hang ups and preconcieved notions about race that you pretty much have to turn the other cheek and ignore it.

well... sometimes what we here is true. and other times... it's exhaggerated. i also agree w/ what SWK said.

plus... are we really turning the other cheek? i don't think so.. for me, it's just carefully picking my battles. which one is worth it and which one would be a dead end?

as humans, we only have so much time and energy. it's best that we learn when our energy will be most effective and usefull. :)

[Fireblade]

The weird thing about this is that I've heard many, and I mean many asian girls say that they would prefer to be white, because it's more socially acceptable, and everyone wants to be like them. It's disturbing, because they come from traditional families, and I guess they have a sense of shame that comes with being related to their heritage.

I'm not saying that all of them say this, but I've heard too many comment on it, and it disturbs me.

Since I'm currently in a sociology class that deals with racisim and equality in america, I would choose to say that many of these perceptions are shaped by how society is dominated by White Male Americans. If 70% of the American Population is white, then the majority will control the tone of all things within the country.

So if you're a miniority, and the label of "outcast" or "something other than" can be quite an impact socially. So in a sense, to adopt a more "accepted" role in society, you must adopt "white male american" views. I'm just speaking on the views of what I've heard in class and my own views. This is not necessarily an attack on all whites, just how this society isn't culturally diverse as we'd like to believe.

I guess once everyone has equal representation will such perceptions go away.

[coagulated fat]

The weird thing about this is that I've heard many, and I mean many asian girls say that they would prefer to be white, because it's more socially acceptable, and everyone wants to be like them. It's disturbing, because they come from traditional families, and I guess they have a sense of shame that comes with being related to their heritage.

Apparently before I was born my dad's mom said "we're so lucky to be white" at dinner with my parents, and my dad was completely pissed that my mom didn't speak up. I don't think my grandma meant it in a racist way since she is uber-liberal and all, I think she just meant that it gives you advantages in a mostly white society. But it still sounds weird.

Since I'm currently in a sociology class that deals with racisim and equality in america, I would choose to say that many of these perceptions are shaped by how society is dominated by White Male Americans. If 70% of the American Population is white, then the majority will control the tone of all things within the country.

Evil white males, my dad calls them.

[ChairmanMah]

Apparently before I was born my dad's mom said "we're so lucky to be white".

Here's a great article by a law student named Janette K. Park on assumed white privilege that shows that any white person willing to reap the benefits of white privilege is part of the oppression of minorities whether they consciously know it or not.

http://modelminority.com/article378.html

[coagulated fat]

Here's a great article by a law student named Janette K. Park on assumed white privilege that shows that any white person willing to reap the benefits of white privilege is part of the oppression of minorities whether they consciously know it or not.

http://modelminority.com/article378.html

How would a white person go about not reaping the benefits of white privilege?

[ChairmanMah]

How would a white person go about not reaping the benefits of white privilege?

Good question...not sure how they can not reap them except move to a foreign country.

"Since whites can benefit passively, all whites are implicated. Generally, most whites consider themselves non-racist if they do not actively discriminate against minorities or act in a racist manner; [27] however, as Powell points out, "privilege does not require the conscious participation of Whites, and it is a mistake to try to locate [it] simply in the psychology of Whites. . . But Whites are nonetheless implicated in this arrangement by their willingness to see the deficit of others and to wear the benefit conferred on them by Whiteness." [28] Thus, whiteness is rendered transparent, [29] allowing Whites to maintain the collective conscience of an innocent onlooker (instead of a participant) in the racial discourse surrounding them.[30]"

after reading that, i don't think there is any way to change our plight in America as long as there is white people in America.

[ChairmanMah]

off topic but you peeps should do a google search on keyword "julian falconer"

he's probably the most active lawyer in canada dealing with racial profiling and all race related legal issues.

[mr. x]

Also, if you take a look at what David Duke and racist organizations have to say about asians, it seems that we're not in the top of their list as an immediate target.
Doesn't mean that we should stay quite when a violation of our rights takes place but things aren't as grim as some fellow asians make it look.

what does he say?

interestingly enough DW Griffith, the guy who did the racist movie The Birth of a Nation did a sympathetic view of a chinese man, though a caricature today, i guess it was well meaning

[Tao]

what does he say?

interestingly enough DW Griffith, the guy who did the racist movie The Birth of a Nation did a sympathetic view of a chinese man, though a caricature today, i guess it was well meaning
it's always nice to know racist white people don't view us as a threat.......http://forums.yellowworld.org/images/smilies/dry.gif

[Bhodi_Li]

I'm a little confused on this thread. The original link @Stormfront talks about interracial adoption, not interracial dating (which obviously Stormfront is against). They bring up the debate against interracial adoption. Their point is that asian culture is better maintained for adoptees if another asian couple are the adopted parents. What are everyone's thoughts on that?

[shy]

I'm a little confused on this thread. The original link @Stormfront talks about interracial adoption, not interracial dating (which obviously Stormfront is against). They bring up the debate against interracial adoption. Their point is that asian culture is better maintained for adoptees if another asian couple are the adopted parents. What are everyone's thoughts on that?

i think it's been covered here:

http://forums.yellowworld.org/showthread.php?t=8454

[mr. x]

Yep! Proud to be one a 'tainter'. Of course I don't know if you can call it 'tainting' when we're so much better looking than they are.

Well, me, anyways.

u mixed?

[Tao]

German/Vietnamese.

Nazi Communist, baby.

hahaha, my friend's half chinese, a quarter japanese and a quarter german. I call him a commie nazi.

[AngryABCGirl]

hahaha, my friend's half chinese, a quarter japanese and a quarter german. I call him a commie nazi.

I have a friend whose half japanese and half german and I keep asking her "Why she bombed ze habor?

[mr. x]

hahaha, my friend's half chinese, a quarter japanese and a quarter german. I call him a commie nazi.

hahaha simpsons

mcbain: "i am being attacked by commie nazis!"

[ChinaLama]

Who cares what some neo-nazi thug thinks? At the same time if he can get some slant pussy or some Asian bitch then what can you do? I'll personally try and beat the mofo up with an iron bar....

ok beating someone up for having CONSENSUAL relations w/ someone sounds a bit unfair to me.

[kimpossible]

GOOK BITCHES and SLANT PUSSIES as they like to say

or as you like to say. over and over and over. even all caps this time. i guess next time it'll be in a bright color and enlarged font size.

[shy]

True..but I've still got the urge to do it....they get to screw Asian people just by being part of the white privelege and they get to screw Asian women, or GOOK BITCHES and SLANT PUSSIES as they like to say....makes me upset.
whine, whine, whine, oh woe-is-me, boo hoo... *yawn*

[SunWuKong]

and to all a goodnight.

[Korean Hunk]

Being the well read and highly refined gentleman that I am, I recently read that fine publication : WWE(Formerly F) Raw Magazine which featured an interview with Korean Am female wrestler Gail Kim. She made this comment that men hit on her but she doesn't get hit on often by Asian men.

To all the Asian females on here, what is the ratio of white men vs. Asian men that try to date you?

(I wanted to ask this on the other forum, but then I realized there's only like two females on that board)

[kimpossible]

why only white and Asian men? there are other men who aren't white or Asian, or who are white AND Asian. rather restrictive choices.

[deez nuts]

why only white and Asian men? there are other men who aren't white or Asian, or who are white AND Asian. rather restrictive choices.


how you doin?**wink**wink**

**ding** 1 asian

[Korean Hunk]

HH:

To make this a simpler topic to discuss.
God knows if we change the criteria, how many posts will go off course.

[mr. x]

wow, at least she didnt say some shit like "asian men cant be hung you figure it out"

fuck you kelly hu

fuck you forever (Cries)

[SunWuKong]

it's only natural, depending on your social circles and the people you work with. whites are the majority after all.

[Napoleon Chynamite]

wow, at least she didnt say some shit like "asian men cant be hung you figure it out"

fuck you kelly hu

fuck you forever (Cries)

dude, get off Kelly Hu's nuts for cryin' out loud...if she were to have any

[himura-dono]

HH:

To make this a simpler topic to discuss.
God knows if we change the criteria, how many posts will go off course.

wow...you're not inciting violence or being a fuckwad... dude, i'm proud of ya, when did you grow up?

[Cipherous]

uhh... I can see this thread getting ugly once posters such as Dac gets wind of this.

[rice cracker]

I'm too fugly to get hit on by anything other than greasy white guys.

[shy]

it's only natural, depending on your social circles and the people you work with. whites are the majority after all.

for the most part, i agree w/ swk. it highly depends on one's social environment.

but... when i think about it, i've had more non-asians ask me then asians. i think toronto has enough asians to think that it might have been a bit more balanced.

[coagulated fat]

Asian guys and a lot of hapa guys (well, "a lot" considering how few hapa guys there are). Probably because I don't really hang out with white guys.

[SunWuKong]

for the most part, i agree w/ swk. it highly depends on one's social environment.

but... when i think about it, i've had more non-asians ask me then asians. i think toronto has enough asians to think that it might have been a bit more balanced.

well about what percentage of your friends and colleagues were non-Asian versus Asian?

[stunninglyAsian]

Are you talking about complete strangers like at a mall or gym? Or people like friends of friends at a party, co-workers, that sort of thing?

[golden_buns]

I'm too fugly to get hit on by anything other than greasy white guys.

That's cuz you're in the midwest

[kasia]

i kinda think this has to do with height and build too.

from experience, it seems like taller (much taller) asian girls get hit on my white guys more....same with much buffer asian girls.

[applehead]

i kinda think this has to do with height and build too.

from experience, it seems like taller (much taller) asian girls get hit on my white guys more....same with much buffer asian girls.

yes.
and if you have a big behind.
black guys love it.

[kasia]

yes.
and if you have a big behind.
black guys love it.

yes. meena speaks from experience.

[applehead]

lol.

[coagulated fat]

A couple months ago, I read an article in U.C. Berkeley's Asian American news magazine, Hardboiled, about Eurasian men and women being attracted to only their own kind. The article was written by Carmen Van Kerckhove (a co-owner of Eurasiannation.com).

There is also an article in Hardboiled's November issue about this same topic, specifically hapas fetishizing each other. And prof. frink of former yw fame wrote it! And I was quoted in it! So needless to say it was a great article.

[AngryABCGirl]

i kinda think this has to do with height and build too.

from experience, it seems like taller (much taller) asian girls get hit on my white guys more....same with much buffer asian girls.

Goddamn, this might be why I've been only getting hit by freaky white guys at my school.

[amietron]

either:
a) i don't get hit on
b) i'm not receptive to being hit on

[shy]

well about what percentage of your friends and colleagues were non-Asian versus Asian?

okay, lets see.

all my friends, back then and now, are pretty much asian. i would say "75%". these would be the people i hang out the most with.

at work, it's like the opposite BUT... i didn't get asked out at work. it's more popular these days to 'not mix business wth pleasure'. and i kept to myself a lot. i'd socialize but would only go so far w/ that.

with dragon boating, which was a major part of my single/dating period, that's when it gets tougher. because said asian friends above, were basically the ones that i hung out with the most in dragon boating (we also hung out with a lot of other people, but generally, you'd see us leaving together to get a bite to eat and hanging out w/ each other outside of our practice times). but the general sport itself had a huge mix of ethnicities. i mean... huge!

however, none of the dragon boating guys that asked me out were asian. even though they saw me with many asian people (in fact, my friends and i who were well known in the community have sometimes been coined 'the chinese connection' - in an endearing way that is).

so yeah... i don't know what that means.

me, on the other hand... i did go after many asian guys in the dragon boat community (hotties! woo! woo!) but with no luck. minor flirtations but nothing serious. *sigh* at least i tried!

then again... i have to admit that looking back, there was no trend in same-race dating or interacial dating. there was a very good balance from what i can see. lots of asian women with non-asian men AND lots of asian men with non-asian women.

anyways, that's all i can tell you... :)

[yoMAMA]

I certainly won't hit on wrestlers, of any race, for sure :D

[Cipherous]

yeah i gotta disagree w/ you, Cipherous, on Kelly Hu. She didn't HAVE to say that joke. But at the same time, i personally am not bothered by it since i wouldn't have the chance to get w/ her anyway. Plus, maybe Sammo fucked her and left her and she was just bitter.

She didn't just out right say that Asian men have small penises, the guy asked her. And I think its pretty evident what response he was trying to get.

Like I said, I do place some blame on her but its my opnion that its not entirely her fault.

[Proud_Jook_Sing]

she did? i thought russell wong is gay. and out of the closet.
I thought someone told me he just got married to a BF and had a baby. But that's just hearsay.

[moJo]

she did? i thought russell wong is gay. and out of the closet.
I thought he was openly bisexual.

As for the original question, I think I get hit on in equal numbers by white and asian guys, maybe slightly more white guys. But by "hit on", i don't mean "hey baby, can i get wit you?", but sorta flirty small talk. I get hit on more blatantly by latin guys, and less blatantly, but more forwardly, by black guys. But i don't get hit on all that often anymore. I'm told I don't look very friendly or approachable when I'm by myself, which I don't mind.

[moJo]

I thought someone told me he just got married to a BF and had a baby. But that's just hearsay.
Well, he has a teenage daughter with a black woman. I don't know if they were ever married.

[ChairmanMah]

.

[ChairmanMah]

regarding my previous post

WM/AF pairing are only good for 2 things.

1. Make all the W/M laff at us A/M because it makes us look bad.

2. Make A/F look gullible, naive, confused and a number of other negative reasons.

So yes it is detrimental to our entire race as a whole beyond gender.



So yesterday, my GF got creeped out by two old white guys again. She looks like she's 18. That pissed me off. That's not the first time old wrinkly white creeps are harassing my gf.

What else makes me sick to the stomach is like the other day when i went into this Swiss Chalet restaraunt and there's this taller asian girl in there seated, she looks like a 22 year old Japanese. She's pretty, flawless skin. Slim, nice eyes and features and she's with some dude that looks like a street bum. The guy literally looked like Mick Jagger or Steven Tyler from Aerosmith.

Ugh. what a stupid bitch.

If hot AF are going with skidballs like this, then you AM idiots better get out there cause this is pathetic you useless piece of shit.

[ChairmanMah]

I always prided the fact that AF were not easy and something special.

Now i'm starting to feel that it is an embarassment to be with an Asian female from seeing some of their disgusting and foolish antics.

Nobody wants to be with a retard.

[Fireblade]

I really think it's where the outgoing types are gonna go for. I don't really believe there is a pronounced ratio of white men vs asian men hitting on AF. Basically it looks like white guys are getting more action, but if they are the majority, then of course it's going to happen that way. Personally I wouldn't care, except for those that have fetishes for asians or what-not. Including women actually. I wouldn't want someone to date me, because she though I knew kung-fu, and wants me to be her royal guard or what-not.

Eh... I better end my rant now. It doesn't look like it's gonna go anywhere.

[shy]

What else makes me sick to the stomach is like the other day when i went into this Swiss Chalet restaraunt and there's this taller asian girl in there seated, she looks like a 22 year old Japanese. She's pretty, flawless skin. Slim, nice eyes and features and she's with some dude that looks like a street bum. The guy literally looked like Mick Jagger or Steven Tyler from Aerosmith.


why do you always judge people by how they look?

[ChairmanMah]

why do you always judge people by how they look?

call me image conscious.

i dunno, these images just sicken me.

[shy]

call me image conscious.

i dunno, these images just sicken me.

well... i guess what you saw in that restaurent was definitely something that would stick out. but honestly, i don't think i would have made that big of deal out of it. i don't know these people's story. for all i know, he could be a super awesome and intelligent guy. and the best thing that's ever happened to her.

so... i don't think i would feel comfortable judging people based on what they looked like.

[ChairmanMah]

well... i guess what you saw in that restaurent was definitely something that would stick out. but honestly, i don't think i would have made that big of deal out of it. i don't know these people's story. for all i know, he could be a super awesome and intelligent guy. and the best thing that's ever happened to her.

so... i don't think i would feel comfortable judging people based on what they looked like.

I understand. It just makes me feel like shit because if these unsightly chumps are going after the same women that i would and they're achieving, then that makes me one in their league. I don't want to be part of their league. In no way do i think some street person is in my league. Call me arrogant but I am not a long haired wrinkly old hippie who has a bad punk leather jacket with metal studs in it.

[ChairmanMah]

i'm not making a big deal out of it but i just post alot of my feelings and experiences here that's all.

My life don't change a bit one way or the other. It's just a little puzzling at times and i must question things.

[shy]

I understand. It just makes me feel like shit because if these unsightly chumps are going after the same women that i would and they're achieving, then that makes me one in their league. I don't want to be part of their league. In no way do i think some street person is in my league. Call me arrogant but I am not a long haired wrinkly old hippie who has a bad punk leather jacket with metal studs in it.

umm... i don't think you're getting my point. :dry:

[ChairmanMah]

umm... i don't think you're getting my point. :dry:
uh, i do. You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover right?

[shy]

uh, i do. You shouldn't judge a book by it's cover right?

basically yeah... and also... you're spending way too much energy caring about other people you don't know instead of trying to figure out your own personal conflicts that's making you react in such a strong way about it.

you don't need to waste that sort of energy, you know?

i mean, these are just strangers passing you by on the street. so as long as they are minding their own business... right?

[ChairmanMah]

basically yeah... and also... you're spending way too much energy caring about other people you don't know instead of trying to figure out your own personal conflicts that's making you react in such a strong way about it.

you don't need to waste that sort of energy, you know?

i mean, these are just strangers passing you by on the street. so as long as they are minding their own business... right?

thanks for your empathetic views.

As long as we understand each other.

[golden_buns]

so... i don't think i would feel comfortable judging people based on what they looked like.


Everytime I see some old & fugly guy with some young and gorgeous girl, all I can think of is that the guy must have shit loads of bling-bling

[Irezumi Kiss]

yes.
and if you have a big behind.
black guys love it.

:beerchug:

Actually, I like any lady's behind as long as it has curvature in SOME sorta direction...

Not like my 8th grade English teacher...who had a butt I could've ironed my shirts on...(shudder)


Everytime I see some old & fugly guy with some young and gorgeous girl, all I can think of is that the guy must have shit loads of bling-bling

Someday in the future, Goldy...you will BE that old & fugly guy with lotsa bling-bling...and you will have a young and gorgeous girl on yer sleeve...and then you'll think back to that day you saw that previous old & fugly guy with the young, gorgeous girl (who, by this time would be an equally old & fugly girl) and you will say, "hey...this ain't so bad after ALL..."

:p

[golden_buns]

:
Someday in the future, Goldy...you will BE that old & fugly guy with lotsa bling-bling...and you will have a young and gorgeous girl on yer sleeve...and then you'll think back to that day you saw that previous old & fugly guy with the young, gorgeous girl (who, by this time would be an equally old & fugly girl) and you will say, "hey...this ain't so bad after ALL..."

:p


I'm looking forward for that day my friend :cry:

[mr. x]

i'm not making a big deal out of it but i just post alot of my feelings and experiences here that's all.

My life don't change a bit one way or the other. It's just a little puzzling at times and i must question things.

when you described him the image that came to mind was Steven Tyler

im not disgusted by ST or anything but yeah the whole "rockstar" image came to mind. am i off or is he really beneath that bar?

[mr. x]

i never knew af/wm couples caused so much controversy. if it bugged people so much.. i think they should do something about it.. like wear shirts that say,"i am a victim".

i fell in love with a white guy (a hot young white guy, as a matter of fact) who loved me for being human. if you anti-IR couple guys cared so much, you could all chip in and buy me an "i am a sell out" shirt for x-mas. yeah.. i'd really appreciate it.

rofl

on a more serious note, does anyone in here believe that love is blind or that love has no boundaries?

*waits*

my point exactly!

ideally that would be cool but i think when people see SO many IR couples they start going "this is not about love." of course its a case by case thing (whether the relationship is based on solid ground) but what i personally wonder then is why so many whites (guys) and asian (girls) just happen to pure love each other when white (guys) and black (girls) never seem to. i mean i dont see em around on the street....

so what im saying is a lot of the couples (not all, some) are based on convenience to an extent. i duno what each and every one is thinking of course but like i said, this is a pattern, the whole WM/AF thing, no matter what you think of it, it is definetely a pattern

even from a personal standpoint, maybe im just paranoid, looking over my shoulder a lot but if i met a non-asian and fell in love with her and wanted to be with her, id be lying if i said i wouldnt think about what others thought. i might hafta ignore it but for sure it would be on my mind

[Fireblade]

even from a personal standpoint, maybe im just paranoid, looking over my shoulder a lot but if i met a non-asian and fell in love with her and wanted to be with her, id be lying if i said i wouldnt think about what others thought. i might hafta ignore it but for sure it would be on my mind

Actually this has put a hamper in my skirt chasing. I had a crush on a co-worker who's name was Tatenisha. She's black, and I guess for the longest time, I happened to flirt with her a lot. We didn't have a lot in common, but we did like to tickle each other, and we'd talk a lot too. It's kinda weird, because at the time I was working at that job, I didn't think that I was attracted to her. I was also wary of what other people would think of us if we did happen to go out. Considering what happened (actually still thinking of what might have been), I'm kinda pissed at myself of thinking what others would.

But it's true that this pattern of thinking exists, and ultimately it does make some choices for us subconciously. And I'm kinda unhappy with my own decision.

[shy]

so what im saying is a lot of the couples (not all, some) are based on convenience to an extent. i duno what each and every one is thinking of course but like i said, this is a pattern, the whole WM/AF thing, no matter what you think of it, it is definetely a pattern

how is it a pattern? just because there are some couples who abuse the IR-thing doesn't make it right to generalize that EVERY AM/AF sighting falls under a pattern, does it?

geez...

here i thought i married for love. but evidently, i'm just in some sort of pattern.

i agree with diluted water here... everytime i read a negative point about AM/AF relationships, it is ALWAYS on the close-minded side, you know?

why can't people just 'let it go'. i thought that we've evolved to accept interracial relationships as well as same-race relationships.

why so much judgement? doesn't anyone see how unhealthy it is to assume something to be instantly a negative thing?

[shy]

if love was blind, you wouldn't be dating a white honkey... period.

in other words, you think that she'd be dating an asian guy if love is blind? huh? so you think that asian women would only date asian men if the 'love is blind' statement is true? but since love isn't blind, we only date 'white honkies'?

so in other words, you support asian women to date 'white honkies' because loves isn't nor should be blind???

:D

[ChairmanMah]

when you described him the image that came to mind was Steven Tyler

im not disgusted by ST or anything but yeah the whole "rockstar" image came to mind. am i off or is he really beneath that bar?

yeah, but the street level kind with old clothes.

[ChairmanMah]

[QUOTE=dilutedwater]sometimes, i wonder if this issue is addressed for the benefit of the whole Asian race or if in fact this issue is addressed to soothe insecurities that some individuals may have about themselves (i.e. "there has to be some reason why I keep getting rejected and the white guys keep scoring?"). ...and by no means am i pointing fingers at anyone. i'm just trying to understand the stigma attached to interracial dating.
QUOTE]

what else are we conscientious asians going to argue about?

this is undeniably the most important issue facing us today.

What else fractures our integrity as a people as much as our women selling out our geneology to large groups of men who hate us?

plus most of you hapas don't have any valid argument at all regarding the issue because you views are skewed, biased and a conflict of interest.

i hope i don't rub you the wrong way. I know you're new here and i don't want to drive you away.

[shy]

what else are we conscientious asians going to argue about? this is undeniably the most important issue facing us today.

well, speaking as a conscientious asian who IS married to a caucasian man, all i can say is that i DO have a lot of other things to to argue about. if you feel that this is the only thing that's a 'huge issue' in the community of asians, i truly must shake my head in disappointment.

see... i often think that asian countries dealing with death, child prostitution, hunger, homelessness, unwanted baby girls found left at the side of the road just a TAD more important then trying to stop asian women from dating outside of their race just so we can friggin' abide to your male, asian ego.

hope i didn't rub YOU the wrong way. but i'm sorry, i've been observing much of your comments and all i can say is, "cry me a damn river." you act like you're being so oppressed when you haven't begun to understand what it is like to live day in and day out in an oppressed country. you're canadian, as am i. we've both seen and faced racism no doubt but my god, you know we're both lucky to live where we live. sorry to be harsh but give me a fuckin' break.

What else fractures our integrity as a people as much as our women selling out our geneology to large groups of men who hate us?

i was raised not to judge people by the colour of their skin. i was raised in a way where my philosophy is one of peace and one that embodies precious life and equality. i prided myself in dating a person of any race because growing up with racism, i didn't want to become racist.

in what you said, you have sunk as low as the 'large groups of men' who supposedly hate you. while you feel that they are being racist to you, you are being equally racist to them.

your argument and logic, therefore, totally backfires. that is so sad. :(

plus most of you hapas don't have any valid argument at all regarding the issue because you views are skewed, biased and a conflict of interest.

of course you are going to rub her the wrong way! you're basically trying to control this argument by placing her into this category that she can not disprove based on YOUR logic that she is mixed! anything she says from here on will be categorized by you as 'but she's mixed so she just doesn't get it!' and what you have said to her is completely unfair. come on man... be more mature. if you want an intellectual and fair conversation, do you really think that's the way to go?

first of all, you've admitted that she is new. have you given her a fair enough chance to get to know her before deciding that just because she is hapa, she has these biased and skewed views?

sorry, man. the way i see it, her views are extremely healthy.

[ChairmanMah]

well, speaking as a conscientious asian who IS married to a caucasian man, all i can say is that i DO have a lot of other things to to argue about. if you feel that this is the only thing that's a 'huge issue' in the community of asians, i truly must shake my head in disappointment

see... i often think that asian countries dealing with death, child prostitution, hunger, homelessness, unwanted baby girls found left at the side of the road just a TAD more important then trying to stop asian women from dating outside of their race just so we can friggin' abide to your male, asian ego.

You do have a point but we don't have those harsh problems you stated in Canada, at least not as visible so that really has nothing to do with us over here. Complain to their country leaders.

hope i didn't rub YOU the wrong way. but i'm sorry, i've been observing much of your comments and all i can say is, "cry me a damn river." you act like you're being so oppressed when you haven't begun to understand what it is like to live day in and day out in an oppressed country. you're canadian, as am i. we've both seen and faced racism no doubt but my god, you know we're both lucky to live where we live. sorry to be harsh but give me a fuckin' break.

are we really that lucky? How do you know? Have you lived in the mother land?


i was raised not to judge people by the colour of their skin. i was raised in a way where my philosophy is one of peace and one that embodies precious life and equality. i prided myself in dating a person of any race because growing up with racism,