View Full Version : Is the Asian struggle related to Sexism, Feminism? Heterosexism, etc?
John0101
11-25-2003, 02:59 PM
Is the Asian political, economic, social, struggle related to other minority struggles?
Is the Asian struggle related to Feminism? Sexism? Heterosexism? Ableism? Why or why not? If so how is it related?
Ideas to start off... I know there are some gay, lesbian, bisexual members here, how does being gay/lesbian/bisexual related to you being Asian? There are also plenty of female members here, how does the Asian struggle conflict and relate to you being female? Does one take more importance then the other? Can you have both or one or the other?
For me, being a straight, able bodied, Asian male. I fit into many dominate characteristics in society, I guess that is why the Asian struggle is the deepest within me and is the only real struggle I have in my life. But for my sister she has to deal with being Asian, female, and an EE major and faces discrimination and stereotypes on many levels. I guess for her, there are stereotypes of Asian being good at math and sciences while there are also stereotypes of females being bad at math and sciences. For her I think the feminim struggle is more dominate in her life because that stereotype is more prominant in her life.
How do you all fit in?
SunWuKong
11-25-2003, 03:19 PM
is it just me? that "Asians are smart" stereotype never bothered me one bit in social settings. outside of social settings, however, it may make people expect higher standards from Asian people. but in social settings, i'm usually of the attitude of "yeah, we're smart."
kasia
11-25-2003, 05:06 PM
is it just me? that "Asians are smart" stereotype never bothered me one bit in social settings. outside of social settings, however, it may make people expect higher standards from Asian people. but in social settings, i'm usually of the attitude of "yeah, we're smart."
it's bothered me. i don't know how else to write this so i'll just say it as it is. it makes me feel awkward - in real life - when i am interacting with people and they think i'm better than them in some way. i would feel especially awkward if their belief were based on some stereotype.
SunWuKong
11-25-2003, 05:38 PM
it's bothered me. i don't know how else to write this so i'll just say it as it is. it makes me feel awkward - in real life - when i am interacting with people and they think i'm better than them in some way. i would feel especially awkward if their belief were based on some stereotype.
maybe it doesn't bother me because i don't equate "smarter" necessarily with "better".
Napoleon Chynamite
11-25-2003, 05:41 PM
Definitely interconnected. In fact, the struggle of all minority and subordinate groups in a society are interconnected, you cannot attack and/or apply remedies to one form of discrimination without taking the plight of other groups into consideration into your battle plan. Every amount of a group member's privilege exacts a cost at the expense of another person from another group. The struggle faced by gays/lesbians and bisexuals in this country shares the same root as with the struggle faced by Asian Americans, African Americans, or Hispanic Americans, regardless of differences in scope and specifics of the experiences shared by most or many of the members of each group.
mr. x
11-26-2003, 12:06 AM
and i hate to bring it up but yeah Kelly Hu's comments bothered me cuz as an "empowered" female she basically made herself look "cool" at the expense of all other causes (basically she threw asian men out the window in that moment)
AngryABCGirl
11-26-2003, 05:42 AM
Yeah, all struggles for anyone is holistic. Asian women and Asian men are fundamentally treated differently in society. Throw in questions of gender and sexuality and there you go.
Some of my relatives are very male-dominated oriented, something really not programmed into my psychology. I think they probably hate me, but I'm just not going to tolerate that bullshit.
kasia
11-28-2003, 01:29 AM
has anyone ever come across a gay white male that was racially insensitive? *raises hand* many, in fact. i kinda get annoyed because they want to talk about how they've been victimized and should qualify as a minority group yet completely fail to grasp the fact that they don't know what it's like to be a racial minority and therefore cannot be in the position to say, "it's not that bad."
mr. x
11-28-2003, 01:47 AM
has anyone ever come across a gay white male that was racially insensitive? *raises hand* many, in fact. i kinda get annoyed because they want to talk about how they've been victimized and should qualify as a minority group yet completely fail to grasp the fact that they don't know what it's like to be a racial minority and therefore cannot be in the position to say, "it's not that bad."
well im sure its not different for say, Jews. i mean there are plenty of insensitive people who happen to be Jews (or black or...)
Fireblade
11-28-2003, 02:01 AM
has anyone ever come across a gay white male that was racially insensitive? *raises hand* many, in fact. i kinda get annoyed because they want to talk about how they've been victimized and should qualify as a minority group yet completely fail to grasp the fact that they don't know what it's like to be a racial minority and therefore cannot be in the position to say, "it's not that bad."
OMG yes. Some of these guys would constantly mock miniority groups, but say that because they're straight, they don't face discrimination as much as a gay person. Geez genuis, ok, maybe that's true, but does that make you any less of a racist because your ideology of discrimination is based upon sexuality? Pointing this stuff out is sometimes hard, because then they start accusing you of being a homophobe (which I am, but not in the traditional sense), and use it as grounds to rebut your statements.
anytime you're a minority in any group (gender, sexuality, race, height, weight, coolness, etc etc), you'll probably face discrimination. I'd like to to think that all these "isms" are related and that fitting under one of the "isms" allows you to empathize with people who fall under other "isms".
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